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Thread started 06/30/11 5:38pm

Marrk

Apparently, The USA is the most hated and despised country in the world...

...I wonder why?

Honestly. Discuss.

[Edited 6/30/11 17:39pm]

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Reply #1 posted 07/01/11 5:45am

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Envy is poisonus
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Reply #2 posted 07/01/11 6:05am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Envy is poisonus

lol

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Reply #3 posted 07/01/11 6:25am

Tremolina

Apparantly based on what?

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Reply #4 posted 07/01/11 9:26am

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Marrk said:

...I wonder why?

Honestly. Discuss.

[Edited 6/30/11 17:39pm]

Well we wage senseless, neverending wars in other countries. We support and give money to autrocratic, corrupt governments, some that actually give money to terrorists who want to slaughter ppl and erraticate America and allies. We fought wars in countries and won, yet we still have military presense there. Our corrupt money market and humongous business and farming structure puts competing countries out of business so they become solely dependent on our exports; when the price of oil goes up, ppl starve. Because we're the last industrialized country to NOT have healthcare, other countries (that do) have to buy insurance so they can even vacation in the U.S. without the worry of paying $10G in medical bills when they go back home.

I have no idea why other countries would hate us, they are just jealous!

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Reply #5 posted 07/01/11 10:00am

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Cloudbuster said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Envy is poisonus

lol

Honestly, this is it right here.

There are a lot of places I would rather live than the US, my home country of Canada being one of them, but the US is still considered the biggest, richest, most powerful nation in the world. It has more presence globally than any other nation.

This puts a huge bulls eye on its back. America has its fair share of problems, but compared to so many nations, America still remains a beacon of freedom and personal liberty and wealth.

Why does everybody hate McDonald's? Because they are a massive corporation representative of fast food. They aren't necessarily any better or worse than other major chains out there, but their presence makes them a target.

On reflection, nobody seems to hate Coke though, lol.

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Reply #6 posted 07/01/11 2:08pm

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For all her flaws, and I mean America has flaws like a bitch, she is the most

charitable nation on Earth. Yeah, Americans probably have more money

to give so that they can afford to give, but the point is still notable:

America, more than any other nation on earth, is the biggest donor

to charities.

America's philanthropy is the only reason why God tolerates her, in

my opinion.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-06-25-charitable_N.htm

http://www.philanthropy.iupui.edu/News/2009/docs/GivingReaches300billion_06102009.pdf

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Reply #7 posted 07/01/11 7:25pm

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duccichucka said:

For all her flaws, and I mean America has flaws like a bitch, she is the most

charitable nation on Earth.

Meaning government spending or personal spending?

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Reply #8 posted 07/01/11 7:37pm

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The US government has killed many people all around the world throughout its history, right up to this very hour. It was founded on the murdering of millions of native americans.

The US has enslaved millions of Africans, raped them, murdered them, and denied them of basic human rights. Even after the Jim Crow laws were abolished the US government was dilberatley harming black americans in other ways, such as selling crack and guns in the black ghettos.

The US government has installed puppet regimes in nations all over the world, stolen nations' resources, dropped atomic bombs on innocent civilians.

In nations where actual democracy has flourished/began to develop, the US government has destroyed it*, whilst turning a blind eye to the lack of democracy and disgusting human rights record in nations whose puppet leaders serve US (corporate) interests abroad.

* The US government has military bases everywhere in the world that basically serve this aim.

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Reply #9 posted 07/01/11 7:45pm

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Slavery is a great evil. It is a blight on our history. But let's ask where di it start? Did the white man go to aferica and capture men and woman to be sold as slaves? Hum no! It was a little different? Oh I know as europe and other nations started to trade with aferica the aferican leaders started to offer men and woman to the merchants. See the men and woman sold into slavery were sold by their own countrymen.
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Reply #10 posted 07/01/11 9:36pm

IshmaelB

America's business is war, pillaging one nation after another for wealth, power, and dominance, while homeland needs go begging:

The Business Of America Is War

"...Washington's wars against Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya and Yemen, as well as numerous proxy ones in Africa, Asia, Central and South America, and at home against Muslims, Latino immigrants, and working households.

"Combined, they represent a shocking contempt for rule of law justice, democratic values and humanity, notions now mere artifacts long ago abandoned to advance America's imperium."

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Reply #11 posted 07/02/11 6:32am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Slavery is a great evil. It is a blight on our history. But let's ask where di it start? Did the white man go to aferica and capture men and woman to be sold as slaves? Hum no! It was a little different? Oh I know as europe and other nations started to trade with aferica the aferican leaders started to offer men and woman to the merchants. See the men and woman sold into slavery were sold by their own countrymen.

After they were "sold" were they being raped, murdered and destroyed by their "own" countrymen as well?

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Reply #12 posted 07/02/11 7:50am

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Graycap23 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Slavery is a great evil. It is a blight on our history. But let's ask where di it start? Did the white man go to aferica and capture men and woman to be sold as slaves? Hum no! It was a little different? Oh I know as europe and other nations started to trade with aferica the aferican leaders started to offer men and woman to the merchants. See the men and woman sold into slavery were sold by their own countrymen.

After they were "sold" were they being raped, murdered and destroyed by their "own" countrymen as well?

Come now, lets not think about that. Only already justified it for us biggrin

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Reply #13 posted 07/02/11 8:11am

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Graycap23 said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:


Slavery is a great evil. It is a blight on our history. But let's ask where di it start? Did the white man go to aferica and capture men and woman to be sold as slaves? Hum no! It was a little different? Oh I know as europe and other nations started to trade with aferica the aferican leaders started to offer men and woman to the merchants. See the men and woman sold into slavery were sold by their own countrymen.

After they were "sold" were they being raped, murdered and destroyed by their "own" countrymen as well?



My post was about the roots of Aferican slavery by Europe. The horrors that followed were a consaquence of the acts of their own people selling them.

And the problem is alive today. Some people sell their own children into slavery. Often sex slavey but also labor camps and sweat shops.
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Reply #14 posted 07/02/11 8:15am

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13cjk13 said:



Graycap23 said:




OnlyNDaUsa said:


Slavery is a great evil. It is a blight on our history. But let's ask where di it start? Did the white man go to aferica and capture men and woman to be sold as slaves? Hum no! It was a little different? Oh I know as europe and other nations started to trade with aferica the aferican leaders started to offer men and woman to the merchants. See the men and woman sold into slavery were sold by their own countrymen.

After they were "sold" were they being raped, murdered and destroyed by their "own" countrymen as well?



Come now, lets not think about that. Only already justified it for us biggrin



We should. But if we are going to be hoenst then we can not ignore its true roots. For far too long the myth that the slavers sailed to there and captured the men and woman my the millions them selves. That did not happen.
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Reply #15 posted 07/02/11 8:36am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

13cjk13 said:

Come now, lets not think about that. Only already justified it for us biggrin

We should. But if we are going to be hoenst then we can not ignore its true roots. For far too long the myth that the slavers sailed to there and captured the men and woman my the millions them selves. That did not happen.

P.S. How slavery started doesn't matter one iota.

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Reply #16 posted 07/02/11 12:24pm

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IshmaelB said:

duccichucka said:

For all her flaws, and I mean America has flaws like a bitch, she is the most

charitable nation on Earth.

Meaning government spending or personal spending?

Both.

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Reply #17 posted 07/02/11 12:28pm

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IshmaelB said:

The US government has killed many people all around the world throughout its history, right up to this very hour. It was founded on the murdering of millions of native americans.

The US has enslaved millions of Africans, raped them, murdered them, and denied them of basic human rights. Even after the Jim Crow laws were abolished the US government was dilberatley harming black americans in other ways, such as selling crack and guns in the black ghettos.

The US government has installed puppet regimes in nations all over the world, stolen nations' resources, dropped atomic bombs on innocent civilians.

In nations where actual democracy has flourished/began to develop, the US government has destroyed it*, whilst turning a blind eye to the lack of democracy and disgusting human rights record in nations whose puppet leaders serve US (corporate) interests abroad.

* The US government has military bases everywhere in the world that basically serve this aim.

Selling crack and guns in the black ghettos?

Even if you believe that they were, isn't it an individual choice to use drugs and/or guns?

And don't give me bullshit about ready access. There's ready access to education too but people make a choice not to use route to improve their lives.

White kids I'm sure have as much acess to alcohol, meth and cocaine among others but are they government victims?

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Reply #18 posted 07/02/11 12:29pm

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Graycap23 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Slavery is a great evil. It is a blight on our history. But let's ask where di it start? Did the white man go to aferica and capture men and woman to be sold as slaves? Hum no! It was a little different? Oh I know as europe and other nations started to trade with aferica the aferican leaders started to offer men and woman to the merchants. See the men and woman sold into slavery were sold by their own countrymen.

After they were "sold" were they being raped, murdered and destroyed by their "own" countrymen as well?

If their own countrymen treated them as a commodity, why would others not do the same?

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Reply #19 posted 07/02/11 12:32pm

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13cjk13 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

13cjk13 said: We should. But if we are going to be hoenst then we can not ignore its true roots. For far too long the myth that the slavers sailed to there and captured the men and woman my the millions them selves. That did not happen.

P.S. How slavery started doesn't matter one iota.

Sure it does. It certainly precedes settling of the Western Hemisphere in large numbers by Europeans. Throughout recorded history men have enslaved other men.

Even though we choose to believe we live in a more enlightened era, people still sell others into slavey, where others enslave them.

If how slavery started doesn't matter one iota, then where do we start? With the arrival of Africans in large numbers into the Western Hemisphere who showed up as slaves?

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Reply #20 posted 07/03/11 5:04pm

duccichucka

IshmaelB said:

duccichucka said:

For all her flaws, and I mean America has flaws like a bitch, she is the most

charitable nation on Earth.

Meaning government spending or personal spending?

Check the links.

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Reply #21 posted 07/03/11 5:26pm

duccichucka

IshmaelB said:

The US government has killed many people all around the world throughout its history, right up to this very hour. It was founded on the murdering of millions of native americans.

The US has enslaved millions of Africans, raped them, murdered them, and denied them of basic human rights. Even after the Jim Crow laws were abolished the US government was dilberatley harming black americans in other ways, such as selling crack and guns in the black ghettos.

The US government has installed puppet regimes in nations all over the world, stolen nations' resources, dropped atomic bombs on innocent civilians.

In nations where actual democracy has flourished/began to develop, the US government has destroyed it*, whilst turning a blind eye to the lack of democracy and disgusting human rights record in nations whose puppet leaders serve US (corporate) interests abroad.

* The US government has military bases everywhere in the world that basically serve this aim.

Your point is well taken (some of it lacks perspective) but America's past transgressions are not the reason why the US is thought to be the most hated country in the world.

If the assumption is correct, and I seriously doubt we could ever qualify it, I think the reason for US hate is because of her current global policies. I'm quite sure that the international community doesn't hate America because she mistreates Blacks.

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Reply #22 posted 07/03/11 5:32pm

duccichucka

SUPRMAN said:

IshmaelB said:

The US government has killed many people all around the world throughout its history, right up to this very hour. It was founded on the murdering of millions of native americans.

The US has enslaved millions of Africans, raped them, murdered them, and denied them of basic human rights. Even after the Jim Crow laws were abolished the US government was dilberatley harming black americans in other ways, such as selling crack and guns in the black ghettos.

The US government has installed puppet regimes in nations all over the world, stolen nations' resources, dropped atomic bombs on innocent civilians.

In nations where actual democracy has flourished/began to develop, the US government has destroyed it*, whilst turning a blind eye to the lack of democracy and disgusting human rights record in nations whose puppet leaders serve US (corporate) interests abroad.

* The US government has military bases everywhere in the world that basically serve this aim.

Selling crack and guns in the black ghettos?

Even if you believe that they were, isn't it an individual choice to use drugs and/or guns?

And don't give me bullshit about ready access. There's ready access to education too but people make a choice not to use route to improve their lives.

White kids I'm sure have as much acess to alcohol, meth and cocaine among others but are they government victims?

Woah, woah, woah!

Black kids in the ghetto aren't actually afforded the same opportunities that white kids have. And Ishmael makes a great point; there is evidence that clearly shows that the US pushed drugs and guns into black ghettos. Use the wizard of Google and check it out.

Sometimes choice is an option for those who can afford it.

The "evils" of selling drugs; well, I'll just say this: there are somethings in this world that aren't easily distinguised as black or white. There is a lot of gray in this world - ALOT.

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duccichucka said:

SUPRMAN said:

Selling crack and guns in the black ghettos?

Even if you believe that they were, isn't it an individual choice to use drugs and/or guns?

And don't give me bullshit about ready access. There's ready access to education too but people make a choice not to use route to improve their lives.

White kids I'm sure have as much acess to alcohol, meth and cocaine among others but are they government victims?

Woah, woah, woah!

Black kids in the ghetto aren't actually afforded the same opportunities that white kids have. And Ishmael makes a great point; there is evidence that clearly shows that the US pushed drugs and guns into black ghettos. Use the wizard of Google and check it out.

Sometimes choice is an option for those who can afford it.

The "evils" of selling drugs; well, I'll just say this: there are somethings in this world that aren't easily distinguised as black or white. There is a lot of gray in this world - ALOT.

Even if that is factual, there is still the element of personal choice.

We agree everyone isn't afforded the same opportunities, but even those with opportunities fall prey to the same temptations that you suggest others have no choice in.

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Reply #24 posted 07/04/11 4:23am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Envy is poisonus

and there it is! thank you! clapping this post pretty much nails it down.. really... I mean, not in the way you intended it.. but still lol

your statement accurately exposes the utter arrogance (which is mainly based in ignorance about the world) and the "Hoopla we're the best" attitude that some Americans like you expose, and amongst other reasons already listed above, this attitude has certainly a great deal to do with the "hate". as for my part I personally don't hate'em, I only find people like you extremely funny lol

boy oh boy, you really know how to post on topic lol

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SUPRMAN said:

IshmaelB said:

The US government has killed many people all around the world throughout its history, right up to this very hour. It was founded on the murdering of millions of native americans.

The US has enslaved millions of Africans, raped them, murdered them, and denied them of basic human rights. Even after the Jim Crow laws were abolished the US government was dilberatley harming black americans in other ways, such as selling crack and guns in the black ghettos.

The US government has installed puppet regimes in nations all over the world, stolen nations' resources, dropped atomic bombs on innocent civilians.

In nations where actual democracy has flourished/began to develop, the US government has destroyed it*, whilst turning a blind eye to the lack of democracy and disgusting human rights record in nations whose puppet leaders serve US (corporate) interests abroad.

* The US government has military bases everywhere in the world that basically serve this aim.

Selling crack and guns in the black ghettos?

Even if you believe that they were, isn't it an individual choice to use drugs and/or guns?

And don't give me bullshit about ready access. There's ready access to education too but people make a choice not to use route to improve their lives.

White kids I'm sure have as much acess to alcohol, meth and cocaine among others but are they government victims?

Do you really think that there's any good opportunities for education or any "ready access" in the ghettos? Honestly? Black people are at a disadvantage, and when there's only one way to live and one way to make money, what are you going to do? Now I completely agree that if the opportunity for education is there then they should seize it. But there's no opportunity. And that's the problem.

"African-American students are less likely than their white counterparts to be taught by teachers who know their subject matter," Haycock said.

"They are less likely to be exposed to a rich and challenging curriculum," she said. "And the schools that educate them typically receive less state and local funding than the ones serving mainly white students."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31911075/ns/us_news-education/t/black-white-student-achievement-gap-persists/

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SUPRMAN said:

Selling crack and guns in the black ghettos?

Even if you believe that they were, isn't it an individual choice to use drugs and/or guns?

And don't give me bullshit about ready access. There's ready access to education too but people make a choice not to use route to improve their lives.

White kids I'm sure have as much acess to alcohol, meth and cocaine among others but are they government victims?

Do you really think that there's any good opportunities for education or any "ready access" in the ghettos? Honestly? Black people are at a disadvantage, and when there's only one way to live and one way to make money, what are you going to do? Now I completely agree that if the opportunity for education is there then they should seize it. But there's no opportunity. And that's the problem.

"African-American students are less likely than their white counterparts to be taught by teachers who know their subject matter," Haycock said.

"They are less likely to be exposed to a rich and challenging curriculum," she said. "And the schools that educate them typically receive less state and local funding than the ones serving mainly white students."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31911075/ns/us_news-education/t/black-white-student-achievement-gap-persists/

So Black people collectively are basically crippled because there are no schools, teachers, or teaching.

"Only one way to live and make money." Surely you jest. Watching television should give one more imagination than that.

So Black people should simply raise their children to be drug dealers and wards of the penal system is that it?

There are no other options right?

So what about all the educated Black individuals from disadvantaged backgrounds? What do we call them? Can't call them Black now can we?

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SUPRMAN said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Do you really think that there's any good opportunities for education or any "ready access" in the ghettos? Honestly? Black people are at a disadvantage, and when there's only one way to live and one way to make money, what are you going to do? Now I completely agree that if the opportunity for education is there then they should seize it. But there's no opportunity. And that's the problem.

"African-American students are less likely than their white counterparts to be taught by teachers who know their subject matter," Haycock said.

"They are less likely to be exposed to a rich and challenging curriculum," she said. "And the schools that educate them typically receive less state and local funding than the ones serving mainly white students."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31911075/ns/us_news-education/t/black-white-student-achievement-gap-persists/

So Black people collectively are basically crippled because there are no schools, teachers, or teaching.

I never said that. The disadvantage point did not only refer to schools.

So Black people should simply raise their children to be drug dealers and wards of the penal system is that it?

I never said that either.


There are no other options right?

I don't believe that either.


So what about all the educated Black individuals from disadvantaged backgrounds? What do we call them? Can't call them Black now can we?

Er....of course we can call them black.

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Reply #28 posted 07/04/11 10:30am

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smoothcriminal12 said:

SUPRMAN said:

So Black people collectively are basically crippled because there are no schools, teachers, or teaching.

I never said that. The disadvantage point did not only refer to schools.

So Black people should simply raise their children to be drug dealers and wards of the penal system is that it?

I never said that either.


There are no other options right?

I don't believe that either.


So what about all the educated Black individuals from disadvantaged backgrounds? What do we call them? Can't call them Black now can we?

Er....of course we can call them black.

But they are uneducated, drug dealers, so how can they be Black?

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Reply #29 posted 07/05/11 10:27am

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Isn't just about every-other thread in P&R a bash against America anyway?

confuse

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