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Thread started 10/30/09 5:43pm

Efan

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The Book of Genesis Illustrated

I'm a comics fan, and I've loved R. Crumb forever, but I'm really blown away by his newest work, The Book of Genesis Illustrated. It's actually very reverential--he's using the King James version for the text, and it's all there...he's just added his illustrations of the stories (and a too-brief commentary at the end).

I'm absolutely loving the book, and as I read it, I keep thinking, "Has anyone ever READ the Book of Genesis before?" This stuff is crazy! For example, I just read the story of what Noah did AFTER the whole ark thing...and the guy's a terrible human being, absolutely evil.

Still, the stories are kind of fun to read, and I imagine believers would find the book just as interesting as I do. It's worth checking out, and I'd love to hear others' thoughts of the book.


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Reply #1 posted 10/30/09 5:48pm

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Efan said:

I'm absolutely loving the book, and as I read it, I keep thinking, "Has anyone ever READ the Book of Genesis before?" This stuff is crazy! For example, I just read the story of what Noah did AFTER the whole ark thing...and the guy's a terrible human being, absolutely evil.

think how evil the rest of humanity must have been! falloff lol

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Reply #2 posted 10/30/09 6:06pm

Efan

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Efan said:

I'm absolutely loving the book, and as I read it, I keep thinking, "Has anyone ever READ the Book of Genesis before?" This stuff is crazy! For example, I just read the story of what Noah did AFTER the whole ark thing...and the guy's a terrible human being, absolutely evil.

think how evil the rest of humanity must have been! falloff lol


And religious people think we're bad now? We're way better than Noah was. We're all really holy compared to him. We have nothing to worry about!

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Reply #3 posted 10/31/09 9:57pm

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I love me some drunk caste systems starting Noah. biggrin

"...I will go to the animal shelter and get you a kitty cat. I will let you fall in love...with that kitty cat. And then on some dark, cold night I will steal away into your home...and punch you in the face!"
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Reply #4 posted 11/01/09 1:08am

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I'm waiting for a version of the Quran. (Some will understand my point)
[Edited 11/1/09 1:08am]

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan
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Reply #5 posted 11/01/09 4:51am

Efan

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mordang said:

I'm waiting for a version of the Quran. (Some will understand my point)
[Edited 11/1/09 1:08am]


He mentioned in an interview that he was considering it, but I'm not sure how serious he was.

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Reply #6 posted 11/01/09 11:42am

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Glad to see Eve with a little meat on her bones. biggrin

Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. - Voltaire


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Reply #7 posted 11/01/09 12:43pm

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R. Crumb is one sick puppy! lol i love it!

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Reply #8 posted 11/01/09 12:50pm

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when do start the petition???...yawn

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Reply #9 posted 11/01/09 8:48pm

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Efan said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


think how evil the rest of humanity must have been! falloff lol


And religious people think we're bad now? We're way better than Noah was. We're all really holy compared to him. We have nothing to worry about!


Most people in the Bible have done bad things... even David who was "a man after God's own heart" did some terrible things... it goes to show the sin nature in all of us and our need for a sin sacrifice... the reason Jesus (God in the flesh) came the first time. And it doesn't matter how good we are compared to even the best people mentioned in the Bible... we all sin and all need salvation.

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Reply #10 posted 11/02/09 1:39am

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It's true what they say. Sometimes, a picture really is worth a thousand words.

Especially when those pictures are drawn by Robert Crumb.

And especially when those words come from the Bible.

For those who haven't heard yet: Legendary comics artist Robert Crumb has just come out with his new book: The Book of Genesis, Illustrated by R. Crumb, a magnum opus, five years in the making, telling the complete, unedited book of Genesis in graphic novel form. And I'm finding it fascinating. It's masterfully illustrated, of course, Crumb being among the very best creators in this burgeoning literary form. And it's getting Genesis across to me, deep into my brain and my imagination, in a way that it had never quite gotten there before.

Of course I've read Genesis. More than once. It's been a little while since I've read the whole thing all the way through, but it's not like it's unfamiliar. But there's something about seeing the story fleshed out in images to make some of its more striking narrative turns leap out and grab your brain by the root. There's nothing quite like seeing the two different creation stories enacted on the page to make you go, "Hey! That's right! Two completely different creation stories!" There's nothing quite like seeing Lot offer his daughters to be gang-raped to make you recoil in shock and moral horror. There's nothing quite like seeing the crazed dread and burning determination in Abraham's eyes as he prepares the sacrifice of his own son to make you feel the enormity of this act. Reading these stories in words conveys the ideas; seeing them in images conveys the visceral impact. It makes it all seem vividly, immediately, humanly real.

Now, that is something of a mixed blessing. Spending a few days with the characters in Genesis isn't the most relaxing literary vacation you'll ever take. Richard Dawkins wasn't kidding when he said, "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction." The God character in Genesis is cruel, violent, callous, insecure, power-hungry, paranoid, hot-tempered, morally fickle... I could go on and on. And God's followers aren't much better. They lie, they scheme, they cheat one another, they conquer other villages with bloodthirsty imperialist glee, they kill at the drop of a hat. This isn't Beatrix Potter here. It's more like Dangerous Liaisons by way of Quentin Tarantino. With tents, sand, and sheep.

Yet at the same time, there's an unexpected side effect to reading this story in images as well as words. And that's that the story becomes more... well, more of a story. Reading it in comics form made it easier for me to set aside, just for a moment, the relentless hammering on the text that I typically engage in when I read the Bible: the theological debates, the treasure hunt for inaccuracies and inconsistencies, the incessant "How did this pissy, jealous, temperamental warrior god get shoehorned into the All-Knowing All-Powerful All-Good ideal again?" bafflement. It made it easier to set all that aside... and just read it as a story. A story about some very human, very fallible characters: strong and interesting, but not moral paragons by any stretch of the imagination... and not really intended to be.

Including the God character. Who, in many ways, is the most human and the most fallible of them all.

A big part of that comes from Crumb's art style. His drawing is not photorealistic, but his portraits -- fleshy, emotional, idiosyncratic, expressive -- emphasize, above all else, the humanity of his characters. The deeply familiar characters in this story -- Abraham, Noah, Joseph, Adam and Eve -- seem less like iconic figures from a fairy tale, and more like human beings: just some Bronze Age sheepherders, squabbling and screwing and struggling for survival.

But a big part of the "story, not theology" aspect of this book comes from the choices Crumb made as an illustrator. Crumb's Genesis emphasizes biblical accuracy -- he's a non-believer, but he has a deep respect for the book's historical and cultural importance. So he created this graphic novel as a straight, word- for- word illustration job.

And so, when it came to illustrating the freakier and more unsettling aspects of the narrative, he pulled no punches. The multiple marriages, the concubines, the brutal wars, the enslavements, Jacob extorting Esau out of his birthright, Abraham lying to the Pharaoh and saying that his wife was his sister, Noah's Lot's daughters getting him drunk and screwing him, the deliberate deception and massacre of an entire town, Joseph taking advantage of famine and drought to seize the wealth of an entire region... it's all here, fleshed out in blood and sweat and tears, in vivid, unforgettable, often nightmarish detail. It's really hard to see all that, and still see this book as a divinely inspired guide to living an ethical life. It's really hard to see all that, and see this book as anything other than a story of survival and conquest in a brutal and bloody period of human history.

(I'd like to take a moment here to point out that I'm not going out of my way to find the ugly and unpleasant stories in Genesis. Ugly and unpleasant is all over Genesis like a cheap suit. If anything, the opposite is true: it's a bit of a challenge to find a story in Genesis that's purely uplifting and inspiring, with no nasty aspects at all.) And I haven't even gotten to the God character. God's actions aren't bowdlerized or treated with kid gloves in Crumb's Genesis, any more than any other character's. The capricious changing of whims, the inexplicable inconsistency of his moral judgments, the torturing to death of an entire town by fire, the drowning of almost every living creature in the Flood, the paranoid vengefulness anytime humanity gets a scrap of power that threatens his own... again, it's really hard to see these stories fleshed out in unignorable visual imagery, and still see God as bearing any resemblance whatsoever to the rather abstract Greek ideal of all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good perfection. It's really hard to see the God character fleshed out, and see him as anything other than another more or less human character in the story. With somewhat more power than most, and a somewhat greater tendency to abuse that power.

All of which makes this book a must-read -- for any atheist, and for any Christian or Jew or Muslim who wants to honestly examine the origins of their religion.

Many formerly- Christian atheists say that one of the most important steps on their journey to atheism was actually reading the Bible, and seeing that (a) it's a horror show, and (b) it makes no sense. And we atheists are always asking believers to actually read the sacred texts of their beliefs, to find out if they actually believe that stuff. This vivid, unforgettable, beautifully delineated, sometimes touching, often horrifying, intensely human, word- for- word graphic depiction of the seminal book of the Bible is right up our alley. I recommend it heartily.

"It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"

Abraham Lincoln
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Reply #11 posted 11/02/09 2:46am

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so god is portrayed as some old caucasian man with a long white beard?

that's truly groundbreaking. you can't come any closer to reality, can you?


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Reply #12 posted 11/02/09 3:00am

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"Adult supervison receommended for minors"

biggest understatement ever




I recommend this sticker

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Reply #13 posted 11/02/09 3:09am

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MrSmoketoomuch said:

so god is portrayed as some old caucasian man with a long white beard?

that's truly groundbreaking. you can't come any closer to reality, can you?


confused


Its a piss-take of the ludicrous nature of the OT rather than a holy work of reverence if the previous comments are anything to by. Caucaso-god will be part of the joke and there's no need for the sticker that should be on actual bibles.

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Reply #14 posted 11/02/09 4:24am

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razor said:

really great review was here


This review was really excellent. Thanks for posting it. Wish I could have summed it up that well!

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Reply #15 posted 11/02/09 4:54am

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Efan said:

razor said:

really great review was here


This review was really excellent. Thanks for posting it. Wish I could have summed it up that well!


No probs. Yeh, was well written.

"It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"

Abraham Lincoln
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