independent and unofficial
Prince fan community site
Sat 21st Nov 2009 12:10pm
Welcome! Sign up or enter username and password to remember me
Forum jump
Forums > Politics & Religion > Afghan Girls Burn Themselves to Escape Forced "Arranged" Marriage
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Add a reply to this topic   Create new topic   Printable version   (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
AuthorMessage
Thread started 10/29/09 9:54am

XxAxX

avatar

Afghan Girls Burn Themselves to Escape Forced "Arranged" Marriage

http://worldblog.msnbc.ms...12069.aspx


this girl is SEVENTEEN YEARS OLD

Seventeen-year-old Shirin had been brought to the Herat Regional Hospital Burns Unit a few days before we met her. Ninety percent of her body was covered in third-degree burns.

Her mother-in-law said Shirin had burned herself by accident. The girl was preparing a meal in the kitchen but somehow confused cooking gasoline with petrol, she said.


how could someone's mother in law perpetuate a lie like that? how shameful

But Dr. Mohamed Aref Jalali, the director of the burns unit, said Shirin told him in private that she had set herself on fire deliberately after fighting with her mother-in-law and her sister-in-law.

Many girls in Afghanistan think self-immolation is the best solution for family problems, according to Jalali.

"[For these girls], it’s no good to solve the problem with the father-in-law, with the mother-in-law," said the doctor. "They think self-immolation will solve the problem."

It’s a "solution" that appears to a major problem in Afghanistan, particularly among young women between the ages 13 and 25.


unfreaking believeable. 51 burn victims have been admitted to this hospital alone, but only 13 have survived.

"The forced marriage is the best reason and the important reason, and it starts from the economic problem," said Jalali.

Often in arranged marriages, women are viewed in very stark terms.

"She is here only to wash, to clean, to give baby…and nothing more," said Marie-Jose Brunel, a French volunteer nurse at the burns unit who was full of Gallic warmth and purposeful seriousness. "If they have no freedom, no possibility to study, to be considered like nothing, it’s very, very difficult."


i hope things change for them, and soon.

Domestic violence
Shirin was married two years ago when she was 15 years old. But another patient we found at the hospital, down the hall from Shirin, was Rezagul. Skinny and illiterate, the 13-year-old was married at 11 to a man who was almost 20 years older. He was abusive, she told us, beating her whenever she failed to do her housework. So did the other in-laws. "My cruel sister-in-law, brother-in-law, and husband…they beat me," she said.


i am really trying to understand how this could possibly be acceptable. is this a religion that i should try to open my mind to? a culture i should try to understand? i am having a hard time not condemning it, and its followers, and those who would permit this kind of abuse to occur.

ufo
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #1 posted 10/29/09 4:08pm

meow85

avatar

This is horrible.disbelief

What I don't understand is what setting oneself on fire is supposed to solve? If they live I'm assuming the girls and women will just be sent back to their husband's family, and now with horrible disfiguring scars. The sad thing is they're just that desperate they'll try anything.

The problem is, we ignore it even when it is brought to our attention.




I know this thread -again -won't get much by way of replies, even though it really, really should, but I love you for continuing to post things like these. hug

We are stardust. We are golden.

Feb. 12th -28th: Two weeks of corporate and nationalistic dick-stroking in the guise of a sporting event. I can not wait.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #2 posted 10/29/09 5:02pm

ehuffnsd

avatar

how sad

it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
Dalai Lama
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #3 posted 10/29/09 6:51pm

peacenlovealwa
ys

avatar

The woman over there are brave...this is sad.

unlucky7 reincarnated
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #4 posted 10/29/09 9:54pm

DesireeNevermi
nd

avatar

SEE!!! this is what I'm talking about. If they had true freedom they wouldn't be doing this shit. They would end up to abusive men old enough to be their fathers. Women are property and commodity in this wretched world. I pray for an uprising. pray

sun
"angel tombstone LOVE YOU 4EVA GRANDMA LOLA, WATCH OVER US TILL WE MEET AGAIN. pray PRINCE: WH3N U L3T TH3 RAIN FALL DOWN, TH3Y ALL GONNA G3T W3T!
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #5 posted 10/30/09 2:18am

razor

disbelief Disgraceful. What can we do about it though, aside from giving money to the appropriate charities etc? These societies are still medieval in nature and until they modernise, I can't see things like this changing.

"It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"

Abraham Lincoln
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #6 posted 10/30/09 4:32am

Dsoul

avatar

razor said:

disbelief Disgraceful. What can we do about it though, aside from giving money to the appropriate charities etc? These societies are still medieval in nature and until they modernise, I can't see things like this changing.


Its an irony that the world could use some atheist missionary work. Would reduce the sexism, homophobia, witch hunts and anti-contraception messages peddled to AIDS riddled third world nations.

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #7 posted 10/30/09 5:45am

razor

Dsoul said:

razor said:

disbelief Disgraceful. What can we do about it though, aside from giving money to the appropriate charities etc? These societies are still medieval in nature and until they modernise, I can't see things like this changing.


Its an irony that the world could use some atheist missionary work. Would reduce the sexism, homophobia, witch hunts and anti-contraception messages peddled to AIDS riddled third world nations.


Indeed.

"It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"

Abraham Lincoln
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #8 posted 10/30/09 10:14am

Empress

Many women over this vast world are extremely brave. I don't know if I could ever survive a life like this and I don't ever want to find out. Some of these people are so backwards in their beliefs and so hung up on their religion that most of what they do (especially the way they treat their women) makes no sense to me at all.

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #9 posted 10/30/09 10:20am

XxAxX

avatar

meow85 said:

This is horrible.disbelief

What I don't understand is what setting oneself on fire is supposed to solve? If they live I'm assuming the girls and women will just be sent back to their husband's family, and now with horrible disfiguring scars. The sad thing is they're just that desperate they'll try anything.

The problem is, we ignore it even when it is brought to our attention.




I know this thread -again -won't get much by way of replies, even though it really, really should, but I love you for continuing to post things like these. hug


i think people prefer not to address this issue, it's too huge, too widespread and hits to the core of way many cultures around the world. i am hoping the upcoming rennaissance period (2012 big grin ) will help...

ufo
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #10 posted 10/30/09 10:21am

XxAxX

avatar

ehuffnsd said:

how sad



yes, it really is. imagine destroying yourself by fire. imagine feeling you have no other option eek

ufo
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #11 posted 10/30/09 10:28am

DesireeNevermi
nd

avatar

razor said:

disbelief Disgraceful. What can we do about it though, aside from giving money to the appropriate charities etc? These societies are still medieval in nature and until they modernise, I can't see things like this changing.



We have to educate the boys and help them learn to respect their mothers, sisters, and would be wives. Just like we plant WalMarts and McDonalds in other countries and subtley "Westernize" them, why can't we do the same thing in Afghanistan? I'm not saying we need to make them like us cuz we kinda suck too but there has to be a way to reach these women and children and help them defend themselves against oppression. Of course I'd rather just go in their guerrilla style and blast all the clerics and politicians who perpetuate the enslavement of women but that would result in WAR. neutral

sun
"angel tombstone LOVE YOU 4EVA GRANDMA LOLA, WATCH OVER US TILL WE MEET AGAIN. pray PRINCE: WH3N U L3T TH3 RAIN FALL DOWN, TH3Y ALL GONNA G3T W3T!
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #12 posted 10/30/09 10:30am

XxAxX

avatar

peacenlovealways said:

The woman over there are brave...this is sad.




i totally agree. the entire culture will have to change to afford them any kind of freedom, or true personal choice

ufo
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #13 posted 10/30/09 10:31am

XxAxX

avatar

DesireeNevermind said:

SEE!!! this is what I'm talking about. If they had true freedom they wouldn't be doing this shit. They would end up to abusive men old enough to be their fathers. Women are property and commodity in this wretched world. I pray for an uprising. pray



you know, i was sort of glad back in 2001 when our goal was to return power to the people. but now, i think it will take more than even a war to accomplish meaningful change...

ufo
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #14 posted 10/30/09 10:32am

DesireeNevermi
nd

avatar

XxAxX said:

ehuffnsd said:

how sad



yes, it really is. imagine destroying yourself by fire. imagine feeling you have no other option eek



Imagine that society wouldn't care if you burned. confused I say they should throw gasoline and matches at the men who force them into these positions. Dayum don't they even have rat poison over there? Marry the bastards then become a widow.

sun
"angel tombstone LOVE YOU 4EVA GRANDMA LOLA, WATCH OVER US TILL WE MEET AGAIN. pray PRINCE: WH3N U L3T TH3 RAIN FALL DOWN, TH3Y ALL GONNA G3T W3T!
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #15 posted 10/30/09 10:32am

XxAxX

avatar

razor said:

disbelief Disgraceful. What can we do about it though, aside from giving money to the appropriate charities etc? These societies are still medieval in nature and until they modernise, I can't see things like this changing.



we can give guns to the women*


kidding!* biggrin





* maybe neutral

ufo
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #16 posted 10/30/09 10:32am

XxAxX

avatar

Dsoul said:

razor said:

disbelief Disgraceful. What can we do about it though, aside from giving money to the appropriate charities etc? These societies are still medieval in nature and until they modernise, I can't see things like this changing.


Its an irony that the world could use some atheist missionary work. Would reduce the sexism, homophobia, witch hunts and anti-contraception messages peddled to AIDS riddled third world nations.



true, that

ufo
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #17 posted 10/30/09 10:33am

XxAxX

avatar

DesireeNevermind said:

razor said:

disbelief Disgraceful. What can we do about it though, aside from giving money to the appropriate charities etc? These societies are still medieval in nature and until they modernise, I can't see things like this changing.



We have to educate the boys and help them learn to respect their mothers, sisters, and would be wives. Just like we plant WalMarts and McDonalds in other countries and subtley "Westernize" them, why can't we do the same thing in Afghanistan? I'm not saying we need to make them like us cuz we kinda suck too but there has to be a way to reach these women and children and help them defend themselves against oppression. Of course I'd rather just go in their guerrilla style and blast all the clerics and politicians who perpetuate the enslavement of women but that would result in WAR. neutral


i hear ya! and education is the best answer. peaceful change. but this is a culture where education is pretty limited to the party line...

ufo
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #18 posted 10/30/09 10:34am

XxAxX

avatar

DesireeNevermind said:

XxAxX said:




yes, it really is. imagine destroying yourself by fire. imagine feeling you have no other option eek



Imagine that society wouldn't care if you burned. confused I say they should throw gasoline and matches at the men who force them into these positions. Dayum don't they even have rat poison over there? Marry the bastards then become a widow.



lol that's what *i* said too! kill the abusive rat bastards. in a sad way, it is great that we, as females, have the power to regard ourselves in that context. empowered.

ufo
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #19 posted 10/30/09 10:36am

DesireeNevermi
nd

avatar

XxAxX said:

DesireeNevermind said:




Imagine that society wouldn't care if you burned. confused I say they should throw gasoline and matches at the men who force them into these positions. Dayum don't they even have rat poison over there? Marry the bastards then become a widow.



lol that's what *i* said too! kill the abusive rat bastards. in a sad way, it is great that we, as females, have the power to regard ourselves in that context. empowered.




biggrin nod

sun
"angel tombstone LOVE YOU 4EVA GRANDMA LOLA, WATCH OVER US TILL WE MEET AGAIN. pray PRINCE: WH3N U L3T TH3 RAIN FALL DOWN, TH3Y ALL GONNA G3T W3T!
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #20 posted 11/01/09 7:22am

LightOfArt

avatar

I'm not even surprised at this shit. This is what happens when religion and state are intermixed, and religious ideologies/(im)moral values become law.

This is Iran, before the Islamic Revolution. watch and weep

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Add a reply to this topic   Create new topic   Printable version   (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Politics & Religion > Afghan Girls Burn Themselves to Escape Forced "Arranged" Marriage