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Matthew Shepard Act to become Law Wednesday Oct 28 Congress has approved the first-ever federal law aimed at protecting LGBT Americans. The Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which adds sexual orientation and gender identity to existing federal hate crimes laws, passed today as part of a defense authorization bill. The legislation now heads to the White House, where President Obama has pledged to sign it.
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Excellent, it is about time. There were two attacks last week-one in Queens, NY, not sure which borough in NYC, the other one was, but anyway, two young guys beat the pulp out of a gay man and yelled anti-gay rants at him as they beat him. The other incident-a Mexican man was beaten by some jerks, and they yelled racist rants about the man's ethnicity while they beat him. That law is way overdue. Education, the greatest weapon
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I'm glad...Obama has to sign this right? Oh never mind...says that in the first post. Yeah I agree with you, very over due. unlucky7 reincarnated | |
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I do not get hate crime laws. I view hate crime the in the same way as I see terrorism. I do not see how it is legal to add time to a punishment based on the motive. Normally the motive is used to determine what crime was committed. Under some hate crime laws, the 'hate' adds to the punishment after fact. Which is too close to punishing thought or ideas.
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OnlyNDaUsa said: I do not get hate crime laws. I view hate crime the in the same way as I see terrorism. I do not see how it is legal to add time to a punishment based on the motive. Normally the motive is used to determine what crime was committed. Under some hate crime laws, the 'hate' adds to the punishment after fact. Which is too close to punishing thought or ideas.
Now if you attack a person because of who they are that is serious. I am just scared that the government, that I do not trust at all, could start to abuse this to the point were any motive that was found to be disliked would be used to add time to a punishment. I also want to say that as far as the monsters that murdered James Byrd, Jr. two of the three scum were sentenced to death. Which I think were the first 2 white men to be given the death penalty for the murder of a person of color in many years in the US. Which is in part why G W Bush did not support hate crime laws. As there is no penalty more harsh than death. Also Governor Rick Perry did pass the James Byrd, Jr hate crime law. Which brings me to the end of my thoughts on this issue. I rather see the motive of hate to be used as an aggravating factor to the charges, like motive is used, and NOT ever used almost as an after thought to add time for holding and expressing unpopular ideas. but you would agree that motive is a determining factor in the severity of the crime, right? that's why we have murder 1-3 and manslaughter, instead of just one catch all "murder" charge. and mentioning bush in relation to byrd seems... odd... considering bush executed more inmates than any governor in american history, by a WIDE margin. his refusal to support hate crimes bills is a rather obvious comment on his own prejudices (i mean for god's sakes, the man tried TWICE to amend the american constitution to block equal rights), not on his disdain for the death penalty. "passing strange"... experience the real
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cborgman said: OnlyNDaUsa said: I do not get hate crime laws. I view hate crime the in the same way as I see terrorism. I do not see how it is legal to add time to a punishment based on the motive. Normally the motive is used to determine what crime was committed. Under some hate crime laws, the 'hate' adds to the punishment after fact. Which is too close to punishing thought or ideas.
Now if you attack a person because of who they are that is serious. I am just scared that the government, that I do not trust at all, could start to abuse this to the point were any motive that was found to be disliked would be used to add time to a punishment. I also want to say that as far as the monsters that murdered James Byrd, Jr. two of the three scum were sentenced to death. Which I think were the first 2 white men to be given the death penalty for the murder of a person of color in many years in the US. Which is in part why G W Bush did not support hate crime laws. As there is no penalty more harsh than death. Also Governor Rick Perry did pass the James Byrd, Jr hate crime law. Which brings me to the end of my thoughts on this issue. I rather see the motive of hate to be used as an aggravating factor to the charges, like motive is used, and NOT ever used almost as an after thought to add time for holding and expressing unpopular ideas. but you would agree that motive is a determining factor in the severity of the crime, right? that's why we have murder 1-3 and manslaughter, instead of just one catch all "murder" charge. and mentioning bush in relation to byrd seems... odd... considering bush executed more inmates than any governor in american history, by a WIDE margin. his refusal to support hate crimes bills is a rather obvious comment on his own prejudices (i mean for god's sakes, the man tried TWICE to amend the american constitution to block equal rights and opposed the equal pay legislation, threatening to veto), not on his disdain for the death penalty. "passing strange"... experience the real
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cborgman said: but you would agree that motive is a determining factor in the severity of the crime, right? that's why we have murder 1-3 and manslaughter, instead of just one catch all "murder" charge. Just to be clear, I say use the hate motive to determine the level of crime not as an penalty enhancement. Make the crime the crime and let the punishment fit the crime. and mentioning bush in relation to byrd seems... odd... considering bush executed more inmates than any governor in american history, by a WIDE margin. his refusal to support hate crimes bills is a rather obvious comment on his own prejudices (i mean for god's sakes, the man tried TWICE to amend the american constitution to block equal rights), not on his disdain for the death penalty.
It did so because Bush was gov in Texas at the time that the first two white men where sentenced to die for killing a black man. Oh and I am for the most part against the DP. There is just no way in hell that no innocent person has not been put to death. | |
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Nikademus said: Honestly I did not understand that. But then again...didn't Limbaugh try and say every crime was a "hate" crime?  oh well
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OnlyNDaUsa said: Just to be clear, I say use the hate motive to determine the level of crime not as an penalty enhancement. Make the crime the crime and let the punishment fit the crime. but a different level of murder implicitly carries a different penalty, so i am not really sure what you are arguing for. and mentioning bush in relation to byrd seems... odd... considering bush executed more inmates than any governor in american history, by a WIDE margin. his refusal to support hate crimes bills is a rather obvious comment on his own prejudices (i mean for god's sakes, the man tried TWICE to amend the american constitution to block equal rights), not on his disdain for the death penalty.
It did so because Bush was gov in Texas at the time that the first two white men where sentenced to die for killing a black man. Oh and I am for the most part against the DP. There is just no way in hell that no innocent person has not been put to death. i am against the DP as well, for a myriad of reasons. but bush's refusal to back the byrd hate crime bill is just yet another in a long line of examples of where his loyalties lie. he was against hate crime lgislation, against equal pay, wanted to amend the constitution to ban gay people from having equal coverage under the law, supported laws criminalizing being gay, bungled the katrina disaster, and on and on and on... given his deplorable record for supporting anyone who isn't a rich white straight male with money, his stance on the byrd hate crime bill is obvious. "passing strange"... experience the real
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It is more of a semantics thing. Theses laws just add to the crime's punishment, they do not really raise the level of the offense. (Unless they have changed them)
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OnlyNDaUsa said: It is more of a semantics thing. Theses laws just add to the crime's punishment, they do not really raise the level of the offense. (Unless they have changed them)
An example is if one assaults a cab driver that is a lessor CRIME than if one assaults a fireman. but why did they attack the cabbie? because they were robbing him? why did they attack the fireperson? because they grew up with crazy fucks telling them that firefighters spread disease and molest children and are trying to take over and force us all to be firefighters and that they think the world would be a better place if no firefighters exist? motive is extremely important in cases. . [Edited 10/26/09 19:10pm] "passing strange"... experience the real
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the trial of matthew's killers is a perfect example of this too.
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Eleven years after Matthew Shepard’s death, President Obama will sign the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes bill into law during a White House signing ceremony Wednesday afternoon, White House officials confirm.
The long-sought hate crimes provision is part of the fiscal year 2010 defense authorization bill and will extend federal hate crimes law to include crimes motivated by a victim's gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability. Matthew Shepard a gay twenty-one year old college student was brutally. killed in 1998 Some of the Shepard family will be in attendance at the White House signing on Wednesday. Afterward there will be a reception with gay rights groups as well as civil rights leader to commemorate the occasion. The main thrust of the bill is defense policy, including authorizing $130 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The DOD Authorization bill also strips money from the Pentagon budget for the controversial F-22 Raptor. The Pentagon and the White House wanted to stop production, but appropriators had balked at costing jobs in their states. --Sunlen Miller and Z. Byron Wolf http://abcnews.go.com/WNT...673&page=1 it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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Wow, for those within the LGBT community, I am happy for you that President Obama kept his word, and will sign this bill tomorrow. Education, the greatest weapon
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Obama throwing the gay community a bone ..... "It is the system of nationalist ndividualism that has to go...Countless people...will hate the new world order....and will die protesting against it." HG Wells | |
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thepope2the9s said: Obama throwing the gay community a bone .....
It's more than that and I'm glad he's supporting it. 2009: Mermaids and Dolphins... | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: thepope2the9s said: Obama throwing the gay community a bone .....
It's more than that and I'm glad he's supporting it. he's right it's just a bone to keep some of his gay critics silent. it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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ehuffnsd said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: It's more than that and I'm glad he's supporting it. he's right it's just a bone to keep some of his gay critics silent. I'm not empowering divisive tactics when it comes to our issues. 2009: Mermaids and Dolphins... | |
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ehuffnsd said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: It's more than that and I'm glad he's supporting it. he's right it's just a bone to keep some of his gay critics silent. Even if it is, it's a damn good bone. The org's resident no-so-fancy lesbian
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Nikademus said: ehuffnsd said: he's right it's just a bone to keep some of his gay critics silent. Even if it is, it's a damn good bone. Exactly. How long has this been in the works. It's finally coming to fruition. Even this thing that many consider small is huge considering the way it opens him up to politcal attacks. He could have done nothing at all. That would have been worse. 2009: Mermaids and Dolphins... | |
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Hate crimes are THE worst forms of bullying. I hope the Matthew Shepard/James Byrd Act works in putting a stop to all types of racial/sexual bullying. Tupac "Makaveli" Shakur (RIP 1971-1996) & Michael Jackson (RIP 1958-2009)
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Nikademus said: Even if it is, it's a damn good bone. Exactly. How long has this been in the works. It's finally coming to fruition. Even this thing that many consider small is huge considering the way it opens him up to politcal attacks. He could have done nothing at all. That would have been worse. Yep. Just for shits and giggles, I get a couple right wing religious newsletters in my email and let me tell you they are NOT HAPPY ABOUT THIS. Obama is ushering in the decline of western civilization with the passing of the Matthew Shepard Act. The org's resident no-so-fancy lesbian
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Nikademus said: Yep. Just for shits and giggles, I get a couple right wing religious newsletters in my email and let me tell you they are NOT HAPPY ABOUT THIS. Obama is ushering in the decline of western civilization with the passing of the Matthew Shepard Act. How many verses mention being gay in the bible? How many of those are in the New Testament? How many times are we told that we are to leave judging up to god? | |
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"In other nations, like Canada, where hate crime laws have been enacted, it is Christians, specifically conservative Christians who hold to the historic Christian faith and it's values, that become the object of institutionalized, governmental hate. "Christians who dare to tell the truth about the social, moral, spiritual and health consequences of illicit homosexual acts are accused of hate speech and intimidated into silence with threats of fines or jail."
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I would say that a person should be able to read any bible verse they want. If they do you might want to arm yourself against them! The Bible has all kinds of weird rules. Knowing them may not win many arguments, but it might shut a few up. | |
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OnlyNDaUsa said: I would say that a person should be able to read any bible verse they want. If they do you might want to arm yourself against them! The Bible has all kinds of weird rules. Knowing them may not win many arguments, but it might shut a few up.
Allen R. Schindler, Jr. (December 13, 1969—October 27, 1992) was an American Radioman Petty Officer Third Class in the United States Navy and a victim of a hate crime because he was gay. He was killed in a public toilet in Sasebo, Nagasaki, Japan by shipmate Terry M. Helvey, who acted with the aid of an accomplice, Charles Vins, in what Esquire called a "brutal murder".[1][2] The case became synonymous with the gays in the military debate that had been brewing in the United States culminating in the "Don't ask, don't tell" bill. Airman Apprentice Terry M. Helvey, who was a member of the ship's weather department (OA Division, Operations Department), stomped Schindler to death in a toilet in a park in Sasebo, Nagasaki. Schindler had "at least four fatal injuries to the head, chest, and abdomen,"[2] his head was crushed, ribs broken, and his penis cut, and he had "sneaker-tread marks stamped on his forehead and chest"[2] destroying "every organ in his body"[4] leaving behind a "nearly-unrecognizable corpse."[5] Schindler was left lying on the bathroom floor until the Shore Patrol and the key witness to the incident carried out Schindler's body to the nearby Albuquerque Bridge. The medical examiner compared Schindler's injuries to those sustained by a victim of a fatal horse trampling saying they were worse "than the damage to a person who’d been stomped by a horse; they were similar to what might be sustained in a high-speed car crash or a low-speed aircraft accident."[2] At the wake in the family's home in Chicago, his mother and sister could only identify him by the tattoos on his arm as his face was disfigured.[2 http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ndler,_Jr. it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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