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Tremolina

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Lots more planets found outside solar system

By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer Seth Borenstein, Ap Science Writer – Mon Oct 19, 9:24 am ET

WASHINGTON – Astronomers have found 32 new planets outside our solar system, adding evidence to the theory that the universe has many places where life could develop.

Scientists using European Southern Observatory telescopes didn't find any planets quite the size of Earth or any that seemed habitable or even unusual. But their announcement increased the number of planets discovered outside the solar system to more than 400.

Six of the newly found planets are several times bigger than Earth, increasing the population of so-called SuperEarths by more than 30 percent. Most planets discovered so far are far bigger, Jupiter-sized or even larger.

Two of the newly discovered planets were as small as five times the size of Earth and one was up to five times larger than Jupiter.

Astronomer Stephane Udry of the University of Geneva said the results support the theory that planet-formation is common, especially with certain type of common stars.

"I'm pretty confident that there are Earth-like planets everywhere," Udry said in a Web-based news conference from a conference in Portugal. "Nature doesn't like a vacuum. If there is space to put a planet there, there will be a planet there."

What astronomers said is especially exciting is the high percentage — about half — of a type of star systems with relatively light stars that had planets around them. This is more than planet-formation theory expected, astronomers said. Two of the four planets found around these type stars were relatively close to Earth size, said astronomer Xavier Bonfils of Grenoble Observatory in France.

The discoveries were made by the High Accuracy Radial Velocity Planet Searcher, which looks for slight wobbles in a star's movements, which would be made by the tug of a planet's gravity on the star. There are no photos of these planets.

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Reply #1 posted 10/19/09 10:17am

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I think this adds more evidence to the theory that the universe is full of life. Not saying that hence intelligent life is everywhere, but it sure is not much to be happy with for those who believe we are unique. On the other hand, it gives food for thought as well for those who believe we just happen to be here by chance.

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I've always thought were more planets out there outside of our solor system many of which include life. I mean, if the universe is endless, then what makes us so special that we would be the only life in the entire universe? As far as the other planets containing gases or things that we couldn't survive in, maybe there is a species of life that can breathe under those conditions. Kinda like humans breathing air and fish living under water without air. That would certainly explain why we've never made contact with each other if neither one of us can breathe outside of our own planet.
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vainandy said:

I've always thought were more planets out there outside of our solor system many of which include life. I mean, if the universe is endless, then what makes us so special that we would be the only life in the entire universe? As far as the other planets containing gases or things that we couldn't survive in, maybe there is a species of life that can breathe under those conditions. Kinda like humans breathing air and fish living under water without air. That would certainly explain why we've never made contact with each other if neither one of us can breathe outside of our own planet.
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exactly.

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I'm very hopeful that the Kepler observatory is going to find hundreds if not thousands of earth sized planets--it's almost certain that high metalicity stars contain terrestrial planets.


However, I'm very weary of the idea of 'super earths' due to the fact that the larger mass a planet has, the more likely it will absorb a huge amount of gas around istelf and become a gas planet with a earth-like core.

Venus, which is 85% of our size, has an atmosphere 90 times our density. It's not unlikely that a planet twice earth's mass would trigger sort of a runaway gas collecting effect during formation.

What I'm getting at is that I suspect many of these supposed 'Super Earths' are actually small Neptunes.

However, Kepler will resolve much of this as it has the ability to also record the density of the planet and determine if it's made of rock or gases to a reasonably certain degree.

Either way, I believe actual earth sized planets are out there, and I hope Kepler finds a few within the Goldie Locks zones. woot!



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Imago said:

I'm very hopeful that the Kepler observatory is going to find hundreds if not thousands of earth sized planets--it's almost certain that high metalicity stars contain terrestrial planets.


However, I'm very weary of the idea of 'super earths' due to the fact that the larger mass a planet has, the more likely it will absorb a huge amount of gas around istelf and become a gas planet with a earth-like core.

Venus, which is 85% of our size, has an atmosphere 90 times our density. It's not unlikely that a planet twice earth's mass would trigger sort of a runaway gas collecting effect during formation.

What I'm getting at is that I suspect many of these supposed 'Super Earths' are actually small Neptunes.

However, Kepler will resolve much of this as it has the ability to also record the density of the planet and determine if it's made of rock or gases to a reasonably certain degree.

Either way, I believe actual earth sized planets are out there, and I hope Kepler finds a few within the Goldie Locks zones. woot!


Plus, I'd like to try some dick from another planet and see if it's as good as Earth dick. lol

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vainandy said:



Plus, I'd like to try some dick from another planet and see if it's as good as Earth dick. lol

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vainandy said:

I've always thought were more planets out there outside of our solor system many of which include life. I mean, if the universe is endless, then what makes us so special that we would be the only life in the entire universe? As far as the other planets containing gases or things that we couldn't survive in, maybe there is a species of life that can breathe under those conditions. Kinda like humans breathing air and fish living under water without air. That would certainly explain why we've never made contact with each other if neither one of us can breathe outside of our own planet.
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Obviously this post makes sense but on the other thread you used earth "popping up" as the argument for gods!

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Reply #8 posted 10/19/09 7:26pm

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cool cool geek

vainandy said:



Plus, I'd like to try some dick from another planet and see if it's as good as Earth dick. lol

yeah exclaim lol

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Dsoul said:

vainandy said:

I've always thought were more planets out there outside of our solor system many of which include life. I mean, if the universe is endless, then what makes us so special that we would be the only life in the entire universe? As far as the other planets containing gases or things that we couldn't survive in, maybe there is a species of life that can breathe under those conditions. Kinda like humans breathing air and fish living under water without air. That would certainly explain why we've never made contact with each other if neither one of us can breathe outside of our own planet.
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Obviously this post makes sense but on the other thread you used earth "popping up" as the argument for gods!


I meant to say the universe instead of the earth. lol

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Reply #10 posted 10/19/09 9:46pm

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Way cool. That does up the chances somewhat of our discovering another planet that can sustain life. I really hope that in my lifetime we come into contact with another, relatively benign, intelligent species. I know this is just my Trek nerd side rearing its head, but I'd really like some kind of interplanetary UN deal like the Federation to become a reality. geek
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vainandy said:



I meant to say the universe instead of the earth. lol


Fair enough, a question that will elude the human mind til we go extinct IMO.

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Reply #12 posted 10/20/09 11:56am

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Tremolina said:

I think this adds more evidence to the theory that the universe is full of life. Not saying that hence intelligent life is everywhere, but it sure is not much to be happy with for those who believe we are unique. On the other hand, it gives food for thought as well for those who believe we just happen to be here by chance.




I would be happy to find intelligent life on earth.

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Reply #13 posted 10/21/09 9:20am

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Which one are we sending Rush Limbaugh too? lol

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Interesting.

Here is some actual news on an issue touching the eternal debate in here between creationists and evolutionists and none of them shares their thoughts on this.

Like I said, those creationists who believe we are unique in the universe probabaly don't like this news. But those who believe we are simply a product of random chance aren't cheering either. Interesting.

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OnlyNDaUsa

Tremolina said:

Interesting.

Here is some actual news on an issue touching the eternal debate in here between creationists and evolutionists and none of them shares their thoughts on this.

Like I said, those creationists who believe we are unique in the universe probabaly don't like this news. But those who believe we are simply a product of random chance aren't cheering either. Interesting.



I do not think it would prove anything about either belief. Neither is inconsistent with life on other planets. Now if we find another world with HUMANS on it....to me that would prove we had the same origin and did not evolve independently on both worlds.

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vainandy said:

I've always thought were more planets out there outside of our solor system many of which include life. I mean, if the universe is endless, then what makes us so special that we would be the only life in the entire universe? As far as the other planets containing gases or things that we couldn't survive in, maybe there is a species of life that can breathe under those conditions. Kinda like humans breathing air and fish living under water without air. That would certainly explain why we've never made contact with each other if neither one of us can breathe outside of our own planet.
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I agree with the first part. I think it's statistically impossible, or at least extremely unlikely that we are the only life in an eternal universe.

I don't know about the latter. I don't think that just because there are other planets, there is other life, let alone intelligent life, able to communicate. It depends on many factors whether that's possible.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Tremolina said:

Interesting.

Here is some actual news on an issue touching the eternal debate in here between creationists and evolutionists and none of them shares their thoughts on this.

Like I said, those creationists who believe we are unique in the universe probabaly don't like this news. But those who believe we are simply a product of random chance aren't cheering either. Interesting.



I do not think it would prove anything about either belief. Neither is inconsistent with life on other planets. Now if we find another world with HUMANS on it....to me that would prove we had the same origin and did not evolve independently on both worlds.


I wasn't saying that it proves anything. I am saying that it doesn't support either one in their theories.

If we would find another world with humans why couldn't we still have evolved independendly? In any case, that would not support the bible's idea that we are god's unique creatures.

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meow85 said:

Way cool. That does up the chances somewhat of our discovering another planet that can sustain life. I really hope that in my lifetime we come into contact with another, relatively benign, intelligent species. I know this is just my Trek nerd side rearing its head, but I'd really like some kind of interplanetary UN deal like the Federation to become a reality. geek

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How so? You wanna be a star trek fighter pilot? lol

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Imago said:

Either way, I believe actual earth sized planets are out there


But then for it to be able to sustain life it must be at the right distance of the star its orbiting, it must have a protective atmosphere and it must have the right amounts of water and oxygen etc.

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Reply #20 posted 10/21/09 12:22pm

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Tremolina said:



I wasn't saying that it proves anything. I am saying that it doesn't support either one in their theories.



I agree! I would cause problems for some regions but it would not be a huge problem.

If we would find another world with humans why couldn't we still have evolved independendly?


I was speaking being genetically indistinguishable from Earth humans. Or some lessor evolved or more evolved form. But would not refute evolution either AS one set of people could have been sent here and one sent there from another place.

In any case, that would not support the bible's idea that we are god's unique creatures.


is that in the bible? I am not so sure it is.

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Reply #21 posted 10/21/09 12:24pm

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smile
How so? You wanna be a star trek fighter pilot? lol



one problem is that dummy einstein and his "we can not go faster than light!" talk!

what a jerk!

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Tremolina said:



I wasn't saying that it proves anything. I am saying that it doesn't support either one in their theories.



I agree! I would cause problems for some regions but it would not be a huge problem.



I was speaking being genetically indistinguishable from Earth humans. Or some lessor evolved or more evolved form. But would not refute evolution either AS one set of people could have been sent here and one sent there from another place.

In any case, that would not support the bible's idea that we are god's unique creatures.


is that in the bible? I am not so sure it is.


You are right, that's probably not literally in the bible. I should have said many christians idea that we are god's unique creatures.

I don't think there is anything to refute evolution with. That's a non debate. Evolution is pretty much proven reality of nature. The problem is it is treated as some kind of religion that can explain everything, which it certainly can't.

I see your point about that we could not have evolved independedly without having been "placed" here. However, if life and (human) genes can be created and evolve independedly, I don't see why we couldnt have.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Tremolina said:


smile
How so? You wanna be a star trek fighter pilot? lol



one problem is that dummy einstein and his "we can not go faster than light!" talk!

what a jerk!


Well, he is right. Fysically we will never be able to reach any of these other planets in a space ship.

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Reply #24 posted 10/21/09 12:42pm

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I see your point about that we could not have evolved independedly without having been "placed" here. However, if life and (human) genes can be created and evolve independedly, I don't see why we couldnt have.



What I am getting at is the beings there would be significantly diffrent than us as would their animals and plants. They might have a humanoid appearance. You know bi pods with 4 or so appendage and a head with eyes, ears, nose, and mouth... but I think we would be able to easily tell them apart from us.

it seems that 2 important things that set humans ahead from other creatures was our thumbs and being bipeds. I( do not think a dog shaped creature could do the things we do. If they did lawn mowers would sure look different and there would be no such thing as vacuum cleaners!

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lol


Yeah well, who knows. My position is that it is very likely that there is life elsewhere in the universe. Possibly even that it is crowded with life. However, whether there is also lots of life as we know it on earth, on an earth like planet, seems much less likely, yet certainly not impossible.

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The universe is larger than any of us can fathom. Billions upon billions of planets and galaxies and we have the nerve the think we are the only life forms? disbelief Not logical to me.

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Tremolina said:

I think this adds more evidence to the theory that the universe is full of life. Not saying that hence intelligent life is everywhere, but it sure is not much to be happy with for those who believe we are unique. On the other hand, it gives food for thought as well for those who believe we just happen to be here by chance.



http://www.newscientist.c...le/dn9943#

In 1961 US radio astronomer Frank Drake developed an equation to help estimate the number of planets hosting intelligent life - and capable of communicating with us - in the galaxy.

The Drake equation multiplies together seven factors including: the formation rate of stars like our Sun, the fraction of Earth-like planets and the fraction of those on which life develops. Many of these figures are open to wide debate, but Drake himself estimates the final number of communicating civilisations in the galaxy to be about 10,000.

In 2001, a more rigorous estimate of the number of life-bearing planets in the galaxy - using new data and theories - came up with a figure of hundreds of thousands. For the first time, the researchers estimated how many planets might lie in the "habitable zone" around stars, where water is liquid and photosynthesis possible. The results suggest that an inhabited Earth-like planet could be as little as a few hundred light years away.

Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. - Voltaire


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Reply #28 posted 10/21/09 5:31pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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lol


Yeah well, who knows. My position is that it is very likely that there is life elsewhere in the universe. Possibly even that it is crowded with life. However, whether there is also lots of life as we know it on earth, on an earth like planet, seems much less likely, yet certainly not impossible.


here is a question for you: which one would be harder to prove?

that there is significant/intelligent out there.

Or that there is NOT significant/intelligent out there.

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Reply #29 posted 10/21/09 5:32pm

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and I think there are 42 other planets with significant/intelligent life out there.

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