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TweetyV6

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The END of creationism, Dutch professor says

Prof. dr. Ellen van Wolde from the Radboud university says that god didn't create the heaven and the earth as is writen in genisis.
After studying the original hebrew text again, she says that there are errors in the translation from the original text into the text as we now know it.

She says that what originaly was intended is that god devided the heaven and earth from the sea. The error occurred when the hebrew word 'bara' was falsely translated into 'create' where it should have been 'devide'

Her theory is that there was already a earth, but completely coverred with water where creatures lived in. God then devided the land and the heaven from the sea.

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Reply #1 posted 10/08/09 1:45am

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Well, obviously creationism was debunked 150 years ago. But I'm interested in this translation error. Any links?

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Reply #2 posted 10/08/09 3:39am

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And let the games begin...

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Reply #3 posted 10/08/09 4:49am

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That reminds me of the story about the Catholic priest that died and went to Heaven. St. Peter said he could do anything he wanted, so he asked to see the original Bible, as he wanted to study the Word of God as it was actually written.

A couple days later, there emerged a scream from his room, and then he started yelling, "They left out an R! They left out an R!"

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Reply #4 posted 10/08/09 5:12am

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RodeoSchro said:

That reminds me of the story about the Catholic priest that died and went to Heaven. St. Peter said he could do anything he wanted, so he asked to see the original Bible, as he wanted to study the Word of God as it was actually written.

A couple days later, there emerged a scream from his room, and then he started yelling, "They left out an R! They left out an R!"

"It's celebRate!"


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"It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"

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Reply #5 posted 10/08/09 10:41am

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RodeoSchro said:

That reminds me of the story about the Catholic priest that died and went to Heaven. St. Peter said he could do anything he wanted, so he asked to see the original Bible, as he wanted to study the Word of God as it was actually written.

A couple days later, there emerged a scream from his room, and then he started yelling, "They left out an R! They left out an R!"

"It's celebRate!"


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Reply #6 posted 10/08/09 11:09am

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Looks like we may see christians embrace Darwin & his evolution theory after all.
[Edited 10/8/09 11:10am]
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Reply #7 posted 10/08/09 11:16am

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TweetyV6 said:

Prof. dr. Ellen van Wolde from the Radboud university says that god didn't create the heaven and the earth as is writen in genisis.
After studying the original hebrew text again, she says that there are errors in the translation from the original text into the text as we now know it.

She says that what originaly was intended is that god devided the heaven and earth from the sea. The error occurred when the hebrew word 'bara' was falsely translated into 'create' where it should have been 'devide'

Her theory is that there was already a earth, but completely coverred with water where creatures lived in. God then devided the land and the heaven from the sea.


This is stupid...^

God then devided the land and the heaven from the sea.

She is NOT debunking God... but she is
saying it shouldn't have said'create' where it should have been 'divide'???

'The END of creationism, Dutch professor says'

How is this the end of creationism if she is not taking God out of the equation? confused

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Reply #8 posted 10/08/09 12:03pm

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TweetyV6 said:

Prof. dr. Ellen van Wolde from the Radboud university says that god didn't create the heaven and the earth as is writen in genisis.
After studying the original hebrew text again, she says that there are errors in the translation from the original text into the text as we now know it.

She says that what originaly was intended is that god devided the heaven and earth from the sea. The error occurred when the hebrew word 'bara' was falsely translated into 'create' where it should have been 'devide'

Her theory is that there was already a earth, but completely coverred with water where creatures lived in. God then devided the land and the heaven from the sea.


Interesting...

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Reply #9 posted 10/08/09 1:33pm

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RodeoSchro said:

That reminds me of the story about the Catholic priest that died and went to Heaven. St. Peter said he could do anything he wanted, so he asked to see the original Bible, as he wanted to study the Word of God as it was actually written.

A couple days later, there emerged a scream from his room, and then he started yelling, "They left out an R! They left out an R!"

"It's celebRate!"

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Reply #10 posted 10/08/09 2:18pm

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RodeoSchro said:

That reminds me of the story about the Catholic priest that died and went to Heaven. St. Peter said he could do anything he wanted, so he asked to see the original Bible, as he wanted to study the Word of God as it was actually written.

A couple days later, there emerged a scream from his room, and then he started yelling, "They left out an R! They left out an R!"

"It's celebRate!"



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Reply #11 posted 10/08/09 4:35pm

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I've always heard and been taught both versions...'created' and 'divided". Makes no difference to me. Now we just need the translation for how he created ape out of the earth instead of man out of earth. lol

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Reply #12 posted 10/08/09 4:40pm

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cre8 said:

Looks like we may see christians embrace Darwin & his evolution theory after all.
[Edited 10/8/09 11:10am]
[Edited 10/8/09 11:10am]
What makes you think some of them don't?

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Reply #13 posted 10/08/09 6:37pm

1212121

Vendetta1 said:

cre8 said:

Looks like we may see christians embrace Darwin & his evolution theory after all.
[Edited 10/8/09 11:10am]
[Edited 10/8/09 11:10am]
What makes you think some of them don't?


If Darwin is correct...
Id like 2 see 1 of his believers try and take
an ape on a plain (first class American air lines) from cost 2 cost...
If they don't let u...just tell them it's Ur ancestor...Se how far that would take U. wink

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Reply #14 posted 10/08/09 6:39pm

1212121

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cre8 said:

Looks like we may see christians embrace Darwin & his evolution theory after all.
[Edited 10/8/09 11:10am]
[Edited 10/8/09 11:10am]
What makes you think some of them don't?


They would b very weak in spirit and Godly wisdom Christians indeed.

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Reply #15 posted 10/08/09 6:42pm

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No if anything it alters the origin of the universe but says nothing at all about the origin of the species.

Big Bang has little to do with evolution.
The creation of the Earth has little to do with the creation of life.

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Reply #16 posted 10/08/09 7:56pm

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1212121 said:

Vendetta1 said:

What makes you think some of them don't?


They would b very weak in spirit and Godly wisdom Christians indeed.
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Reply #17 posted 10/09/09 1:25am

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Vendetta1 said:

cre8 said:

Looks like we may see christians embrace Darwin & his evolution theory after all.
[Edited 10/8/09 11:10am]
[Edited 10/8/09 11:10am]
What makes you think some of them don't?


I don't .. maybe for you I should have included "most".

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1212121 said:

Vendetta1 said:

What makes you think some of them don't?


If Darwin is correct...
Id like 2 see 1 of his believers try and take
an ape on a plain (first class American air lines) from cost 2 cost...
If they don't let u...just tell them it's Ur ancestor...Se how far that would take U. wink


Whaaaaat?

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This is what evolutionists are up against?


Edit: For the record, apes are not our ancestors, but both apes and humans have a common ancestor that predates both.
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Reply #19 posted 10/09/09 2:35am

razor

1212121 said:

Vendetta1 said:

What makes you think some of them don't?


If Darwin is correct...
Id like 2 see 1 of his believers try and take
an ape on a plain (first class American air lines) from cost 2 cost...
If they don't let u...just tell them it's Ur ancestor...Se how far that would take U. wink


Firstly, there is no "if".

Secondly I will never understand why and how people who take such a strong view on evolution do so without even bothering to learn it.

Thirdly, you truly are an odd little fellow. May I ask how old you are?

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DesireeNevermind said:

I've always heard and been taught both versions...'created' and 'divided". Makes no difference to me. Now we just need the translation for how he created ape out of the earth instead of man out of earth. lol


Apes aren't being claimed as the starting point. The animals in your family tree rank from primitive single cell organisms through to rodents, through to sea creatures and beyond.

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razor said:

Thirdly, you truly are an odd little fellow.


lol

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Reply #22 posted 10/09/09 5:05am

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RodeoSchro said:

That reminds me of the story about the Catholic priest that died and went to Heaven. St. Peter said he could do anything he wanted, so he asked to see the original Bible, as he wanted to study the Word of God as it was actually written.

A couple days later, there emerged a scream from his room, and then he started yelling, "They left out an R! They left out an R!"

"It's celebRate!"



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Reply #23 posted 10/09/09 5:09am

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Origins can never be proved....

I am, no holds barred, a Creationist. You can extract whatever assumptions you want about how that creation played out, but In the beginning....Was God.

As somebody else said, this is not a new teaching...My Bible even says "divided".

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Reply #24 posted 10/09/09 6:00am

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Origins can never be proved....

I am, no holds barred, a Creationist. You can extract whatever assumptions you want about how that creation played out, but In the beginning....Was God.

As somebody else said, this is not a new teaching...My Bible even says "divided".


Well obviously creationism tends to refer to those who accept a literal interpretation of genesis.

So which god is that you beleive in; the christian one, or just a personal one?

"It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"

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Reply #25 posted 10/09/09 6:21am

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razor said:

seekingtruth said:

Origins can never be proved....

I am, no holds barred, a Creationist. You can extract whatever assumptions you want about how that creation played out, but In the beginning....Was God.

As somebody else said, this is not a new teaching...My Bible even says "divided".


Well obviously creationism tends to refer to those who accept a literal interpretation of genesis.

So which god is that you beleive in; the christian one, or just a personal one?


I misread the second sentence first time around also. Think the poster is saying they're a no hold barred creationist. I.e. totally unapologetic and impossible to divert from creationism.

I would guess seeking is another American christian, theres not a lot of diversity in religious belief amongst the org's devout really. To think they're only one god away from being as atheist as us.

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Reply #26 posted 10/09/09 6:24am

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razor said:



Well obviously creationism tends to refer to those who accept a literal interpretation of genesis.

So which god is that you beleive in; the christian one, or just a personal one?


Well given that Jews and Christians are out numbered by other faiths with their own creation stories I would say that you have it backwards. That those that accept a literal interpretation of Genesis tend to be creationists.

But Like I said all this does is question the origin of the universe not of life or of humans.

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Reply #27 posted 10/09/09 7:19am

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sigh... all the time, money, energy, and lives wasted over meaningless debate on this mythology. Truly sad.

Folks should get into astrology instead.

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Reply #28 posted 10/09/09 12:02pm

1212121

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1212121 said:



If Darwin is correct...
Id like 2 see 1 of his believers try and take
an ape on a plain (first class American air lines) from cost 2 cost...
If they don't let u...just tell them it's Ur ancestor...Se how far that would take U. wink


Firstly, there is no "if".

Secondly I will never understand why and how people who take such a strong view on evolution do so without even bothering to learn it.

Thirdly, you truly are an odd little fellow. May I ask how old you are?



Firstly, there is no "if".

Ur right because there was no evolution from monkey 2 man.
Im glad we can agree. wink

evolution do so without even bothering to learn it.

I know it... and it's ridiculous
Next!

Thirdly, you truly are an odd little fellow.


Your momma didn't think I was little...
She found it odd how gentle I was with her with being so large...

May I ask how old you are?


Old enough 2 b your daddy...son. wink

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Reply #29 posted 10/09/09 12:08pm

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Dsoul said:

DesireeNevermind said:

I've always heard and been taught both versions...'created' and 'divided". Makes no difference to me. Now we just need the translation for how he created ape out of the earth instead of man out of earth. lol


Apes aren't being claimed as the starting point. The animals in your family tree rank from primitive single cell organisms through to rodents, through to sea creatures and beyond.


U BELIEVE THAT^!!!...yet U can't believe Jesus walked on water?
Hmm. confused

Okay....
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