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1212121 said: JW's here... do U believe everything the Watchtower org says..... no matter what?
U know... about blood transfusions,Holidays,dates given for the return of Christ, Michael the Archangel becoming Jesus...stuff like that. Can a member still be a member and not agree with some or any of those? Even better...in your faith can a person be saved and still be in good with God if he or she willfully does not agree with the Watchtower org? Do U believe that they (JW's) alone are the one true religion?  Is there a JW in the house??? Is this thing on?  | |
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1212121 said: 1212121 said: JW's here... do U believe everything the Watchtower org says..... no matter what?
U know... about blood transfusions,Holidays,dates given for the return of Christ, Michael the Archangel becoming Jesus...stuff like that. Can a member still be a member and not agree with some or any of those? Even better...in your faith can a person be saved and still be in good with God if he or she willfully does not agree with the Watchtower org? Do U believe that they (JW's) alone are the one true religion? Is there a JW in the house??? Is this thing on? Your question is baiting. I don't think any JWs, at least not anonymously, will answer that question on a public forum that consists mostly of non-JWs. At best, you'll get a vague answer like, "I believe the Society is the True Religion with Jehovah's direction." | |
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Of Course. That's like asking if I only believe only parts of the bible.
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1212121 said: JW's here... do U believe everything the Watchtower org says..... no matter what?
U know... about blood transfusions,Holidays,dates given for the return of Christ, Michael the Archangel becoming Jesus...stuff like that. Can a member still be a member and not agree with some or any of those? Even better...in your faith can a person be saved and still be in good with God if he or she willfully does not agree with the Watchtower org? Do U believe that they (JW's) alone are the one true religion? Do you believe everything you read from about.com:christianity | |
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rodman2 said: Of Course. That's like asking if I only believe only parts of the bible.
I might add I will go to prison before going to war, and I will abstain from blood. And I do not believe them to be perfect either. [Edited 9/19/09 20:11pm] So you are saying that u do belive everything the Bible says but not everything the Watchtower org says? I thought they were only about the Bible?
Isn't the NWT Bible perfect? | |
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DavidSF said: 1212121 said: Is there a JW in the house??? Is this thing on? Your question is baiting. I don't think any JWs, at least not anonymously, will answer that question on a public forum that consists mostly of non-JWs. At best, you'll get a vague answer like, "I believe the Society is the True Religion with Jehovah's direction." I thought most people here had fake names here anyway? | |
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rodman2 said: 1212121 said: JW's here... do U believe everything the Watchtower org says..... no matter what?
U know... about blood transfusions,Holidays,dates given for the return of Christ, Michael the Archangel becoming Jesus...stuff like that. Can a member still be a member and not agree with some or any of those? Even better...in your faith can a person be saved and still be in good with God if he or she willfully does not agree with the Watchtower org? Do U believe that they (JW's) alone are the one true religion? Do you believe everything you read from about.com:christianity Can't say I have read everything from about.com:christianity... Do U believe everything in the NWT? [Edited 9/19/09 21:00pm] | |
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1212121 said: rodman2 said: Of Course. That's like asking if I only believe only parts of the bible.
I might add I will go to prison before going to war, and I will abstain from blood. And I do not believe them to be perfect either. [Edited 9/19/09 20:11pm] So you are saying that u do belive everything the Bible says but not everything the Watchtower org says? I thought they were only about the Bible?
Isn't the NWT Bible perfect? Thats not what I said at all, and you are baiting. | |
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rodman2 said: 1212121 said: So you are saying that u do belive everything the Bible says but not everything the Watchtower org says? I thought they were only about the Bible?
Isn't the NWT Bible perfect? Thats not what I said at all, and you are baiting. No..Im trying to get it straight. | |
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1212121 said: rodman2 said: Do you believe everything you read from about.com:christianity Can't say I have read everything from about.com:christianity... Do U believe everything in the NWT? [Edited 9/19/09 21:00pm] Yes I do use the new world translation, but I do use other bibles as well. And yes I do believe everything in the bible. | |
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rodman2 said: Of Course. That's like asking if I only believe only parts of the bible.
I might add I will go to prison before going to war, and I will abstain from blood. And I do not believe them to be perfect either. [Edited 9/19/09 20:11pm] Do you believe in these teachings taught by the Watchtower Society? 1) JWs is the only religion receiving direction from God and all other religions are under the influence of Satan. 2) Soon God will destroy everyone on Earth except JWs? | |
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DavidSF said: rodman2 said: Of Course. That's like asking if I only believe only parts of the bible.
I might add I will go to prison before going to war, and I will abstain from blood. And I do not believe them to be perfect either. [Edited 9/19/09 20:11pm] Do you believe in these teachings taught by the Watchtower Society? 1) JWs is the only religion receiving direction from God and all other religions are under the influence of Satan. 2) Soon God will destroy everyone on Earth except JWs? 1) If the religions aren't following the bible then they are not with God, and I think using his name is a good start, refusing war, and staying out of politics. So personally I would not join any religion that did not fall into those categories. The watchtower Society is doing a fine job around the world, without getting into bed with politics. Go to the website, there is information in 383 languages, they publish 40 million magazines every month in over 200 languages, deliver them to peoples doors and this is world wide. Build kingdom halls every week around the world, without contractors. With no corporate sponsors, show me another organization that is doing that. I do think Jehovah is giving a helping hand. I think Satan is behind all the wars and political corruption and any religion involved in this stuff well...you figure it out. 2) I have no Idea who Jehovah will save or destroy, only he knows each person's heart. I think a good idea would be to live by the bible standards and get out of any religion that is not teaching about God's Kingdom to help fulfill the prophecy at Matthew 24:14 just like Jesus and his faithful followers did. [Edited 9/20/09 0:17am] | |
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rodman2 said: Of Course. That's like asking if I only believe only parts of the bible.
I might add I will go to prison before going to war, and I will abstain from blood. And I do not believe them to be perfect either. [Edited 9/19/09 20:11pm] I don't normally get involved in JW related threads - I don't consider JW followers particular worthy of criticism like some people do - But I have to ask, with all sincerity... When you say you do not believe them to be perfect - are you referring to the watchtower society? If so, if you disagree with them at times, why would you always believe what the watchtower says, no matter what, as posited in the original question? "We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins | |
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savoirfaire said: rodman2 said: Of Course. That's like asking if I only believe only parts of the bible.
I might add I will go to prison before going to war, and I will abstain from blood. And I do not believe them to be perfect either. [Edited 9/19/09 20:11pm] I don't normally get involved in JW related threads - I don't consider JW followers particular worthy of criticism like some people do - But I have to ask, with all sincerity... When you say you do not believe them to be perfect - are you referring to the watchtower society? If so, if you disagree with them at times, why would you always believe what the watchtower says, no matter what, as posited in the original question? I'm saying no one is perfect. The structure of the WTS is such that much is considered by many minds, with much prayer before actions are made. To consider anyone infallible would obviously be asking for a bombardment from this org. I was just covering my behind. I'm in 100% agreement with what they are saying and doing. I have no doubts. | |
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rodman2 said: savoirfaire said: I don't normally get involved in JW related threads - I don't consider JW followers particular worthy of criticism like some people do - But I have to ask, with all sincerity... When you say you do not believe them to be perfect - are you referring to the watchtower society? If so, if you disagree with them at times, why would you always believe what the watchtower says, no matter what, as posited in the original question? I'm saying no one is perfect. The structure of the WTS is such that much is considered by many minds, with much prayer before actions are made. To consider anyone infallible would obviously be asking for a bombardment from this org. I was just covering my behind. I'm in 100% agreement with what they are saying and doing. I have no doubts. Well, that's interesting. Thanks. "We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins | |
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rodman2 said: 1212121 said: Can't say I have read everything from about.com:christianity... Do U believe everything in the NWT? [Edited 9/19/09 21:00pm] Yes I do use the new world translation, but I do use other bibles as well. And yes I do believe everything in the bible. So U don't believe everything in the NWT? | |
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rodman2 said: savoirfaire said: I don't normally get involved in JW related threads - I don't consider JW followers particular worthy of criticism like some people do - But I have to ask, with all sincerity... When you say you do not believe them to be perfect - are you referring to the watchtower society? If so, if you disagree with them at times, why would you always believe what the watchtower says, no matter what, as posited in the original question? I'm saying no one is perfect. The structure of the WTS is such that much is considered by many minds, with much prayer before actions are made. To consider anyone infallible would obviously be asking for a bombardment from this org. I was just covering my behind. I'm in 100% agreement with what they are saying and doing. I have no doubts. If your enlightened by GOD your path is straight, righteous and PERFECT right? Jesus tells us that whenever two or more people gather in his name, he is present with them.... If that be True....Why would an org suffer from misdirection? [Edited 9/20/09 12:03pm] | |
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rodman2 said: savoirfaire said: I don't normally get involved in JW related threads - I don't consider JW followers particular worthy of criticism like some people do - But I have to ask, with all sincerity... When you say you do not believe them to be perfect - are you referring to the watchtower society? If so, if you disagree with them at times, why would you always believe what the watchtower says, no matter what, as posited in the original question? I'm saying no one is perfect. The structure of the WTS is such that much is considered by many minds, with much prayer before actions are made. To consider anyone infallible would obviously be asking for a bombardment from this org. I was just covering my behind. I'm in 100% agreement with what they are saying and doing. I have no doubts. Yea...No one is perfect...But Im not asking about an individual. Im talking about a governing body,theocratic order the Watchtower ORG submits to....??? | |
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1212121 said: rodman2 said: I'm saying no one is perfect. The structure of the WTS is such that much is considered by many minds, with much prayer before actions are made. To consider anyone infallible would obviously be asking for a bombardment from this org. I was just covering my behind. I'm in 100% agreement with what they are saying and doing. I have no doubts. Yea...No one is perfect...But Im not asking about an individual. Im talking about a governing body,theocratic order the Watchtower ORG submits to....??? Duh! yea no one is perfect even them, are you dense. There has only been one perfect man on earth since Adam died, it was Jesus. Read your bible. I'm sorry and apologize for treating you like a retard but... well you started this thread for a reason, why don't you spit it out. [Edited 9/20/09 16:17pm] | |
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1212121 said: rodman2 said: Yes I do use the new world translation, but I do use other bibles as well. And yes I do believe everything in the bible. So U don't believe everything in the NWT? It's good to have different translations, because some people will refuse to believe a scripture if it's from our translation. So we dig out our king james to show they both are similar. | |
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1212121 said: rodman2 said: I'm saying no one is perfect. The structure of the WTS is such that much is considered by many minds, with much prayer before actions are made. To consider anyone infallible would obviously be asking for a bombardment from this org. I was just covering my behind. I'm in 100% agreement with what they are saying and doing. I have no doubts. If your enlightened by GOD your path is straight, righteous and PERFECT right? Jesus tells us that whenever two or more people gather in his name, he is present with them.... If that be True....Why would an org suffer from misdirection? [Edited 9/20/09 12:03pm] I hope you're finally going to get to this misdirection, personally I see none. | |
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rodman2 said: 1212121 said: If your enlightened by GOD your path is straight, righteous and PERFECT right? Jesus tells us that whenever two or more people gather in his name, he is present with them.... If that be True....Why would an org suffer from misdirection? [Edited 9/20/09 12:03pm] I hope you're finally going to get to this misdirection, personally I see none. I thought I was pointing out a few that some may have in my first post? | |
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rodman2 said: 1212121 said: So U don't believe everything in the NWT? It's good to have different translations, because some people will refuse to believe a scripture if it's from our translation. So we dig out our king james to show they both are similar. Yea but U can't use that as a barometer... U only use it when it agrees with the NWT ??? LOL!!!
What about when is diametrically the opposite 2 the NWT??? | |
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rodman2 said: 1212121 said: Yea...No one is perfect...But Im not asking about an individual. Im talking about a governing body,theocratic order the Watchtower ORG submits to....??? Duh! yea no one is perfect even them, are you dense. There has only been one perfect man on earth since Adam died, it was Jesus. Read your bible. I'm sorry and apologize for treating you like a retard but... well you started this thread for a reason, why don't you spit it out. [Edited 9/20/09 16:17pm] Am I dense? Only when I get excited and my blood flows into my happy place. 
Name a person in the Bible that claimed 2 speak for God and his word didn't come to pass? For thos who did speak on behalf of God and there words were True... The Word that came from them...WAS PERFECT...It has nothing 2 do with the vessel it came from. It was about the WORD. Now if a governing body agrees...come together in HIS name and claim "this is of God" and said Words don't or didn't come 2 pass...Then what? Let it go?
Read your bible.
Ur funny. I'm sorry and apologize for treating you like a retard but...
Liar... LOL!!! Don't all JW's look down from on high at everybody???....LOL!!!! | |
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1212121 said: rodman2 said: It's good to have different translations, because some people will refuse to believe a scripture if it's from our translation. So we dig out our king james to show they both are similar. Yea but U can't use that as a barometer... U only use it when it agrees with the NWT ??? LOL!!!
What about when is diametrically the opposite 2 the NWT??? example please. | |
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1212121 said:[quote] rodman2 said: Ur funny. I'm sorry and apologize for treating you like a retard but...
Liar... LOL!!! Don't all JW's look down from on high at everybody???....LOL!!!! Are you dense, well lets see... I said no one was perfect. Then you ask me if that includes the governing body????? What part of no one don't you understand? I think no one, means no one, nadda, zero people, none of the population. So, if you have to ask does that make you like super smart? And no we don't look down on people, if that was the case we wouldn't be spending our spare time going door to door to tell people about the Kingdom of God. We do it because we love it, and because that's what Jesus did. | |
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1212121 said: JW's here... do U believe everything the Watchtower org says..... no matter what?
Michael the Archangel becoming Jesus...stuff like that. To help you understand how we understand. (Mi′cha‧el)whose name means Who Is Like God?. The only holy angel other than Gabriel named in the Bible, and the only one called “archangel.” (Jude 9) The first occurrence of the name is in the tenth chapter of Daniel, where Michael is described as “one of the foremost princes”; he came to the aid of a lesser angel who was opposed by “the prince of the royal realm of Persia.” Michael was called “the prince of [Daniel’s] people,” “the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Da 10:13, 20, 21; 12:1) This points to Michael as the angel who led the Israelites through the wilderness. (Ex 23:20, 21, 23; 32:34; 33:2) Lending support to this conclusion is the fact that “Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body.”—Jude 9. Scriptural evidence indicates that the name Michael applied to God’s Son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ and also after his return. Michael is the only one said to be “the archangel,” meaning “chief angel,” or “principal angel.” The term occurs in the Bible only in the singular. This seems to imply that there is but one whom God has designated chief, or head, of the angelic host. At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the voice of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ is described as being that of an archangel, suggesting that he is, in fact, himself the archangel. This text depicts him as descending from heaven with “a commanding call.” It is only logical, therefore, that the voice expressing this commanding call be described by a word that would not diminish or detract from the great authority that Christ Jesus now has as King of kings and Lord of lords. (Mt 28:18; Re 17:14) If the designation “archangel” applied, not to Jesus Christ, but to other angels, then the reference to “an archangel’s voice” would not be appropriate. In that case it would be describing a voice of lesser authority than that of the Son of God. There are also other correspondencies establishing that Michael is actually the Son of God. Daniel, after making the first reference to Michael (Da 10:13), recorded a prophecy reaching down to “the time of the end” (Da 11:40) and then stated: “And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Da 12:1) Michael’s ‘standing up’ was to be associated with “a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time.” (Da 12:1) In Daniel’s prophecy, ‘standing up’ frequently refers to the action of a king, either taking up his royal power or acting effectively in his capacity as king. (Da 11:2-4, 7, 16b, 20, 21) This supports the conclusion that Michael is Jesus Christ, since Jesus is Jehovah’s appointed King, commissioned to destroy all the nations at Har–Magedon.—Re 11:15; 16:14-16. The book of Revelation (12:7, 10, 12) specifically mentions Michael in connection with the establishment of God’s Kingdom and links this event with trouble for the earth: “And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled. And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: ‘Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down . . . On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea.’” Jesus Christ is later depicted as leading the heavenly armies in war against the nations of the earth. (Re 19:11-16) This would mean a period of distress for them, which would logically be included in the “time of distress” that is associated with Michael’s standing up. (Da 12:1) Since the Son of God is to fight the nations, it is only reasonable that he was the one who with his angels earlier battled against the superhuman dragon, Satan the Devil, and his angels. In his prehuman existence Jesus was called “the Word.” (Joh 1:1) He also had the personal name Michael. By retaining the name Jesus after his resurrection (Ac 9:5), “the Word” shows that he is identical with the Son of God on earth. His resuming his heavenly name Michael and his title (or name) “The Word of God” (Re 19:13) ties him in with his prehuman existence. The very name Michael, asking as it does, “Who Is Like God?” points to the fact that Jehovah God is without like, or equal, and that Michael his archangel is his great Champion or Vindicator. http://www.watchtower.org...dix_11.htm [Edited 9/20/09 19:23pm] | |
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