Where have all of Obamas records gone?

There is an article on world net daily asking Where have all of Obama/s records gone? Very interesting, to say the least. While WND is a right wing site it isnt really considered a conspiracy sight.
Some interesting points are made even referencing mainstream media reports on the lack of school records
check it out

http://www.wnd.com/index....eId=100613

thepope2the9s said:

It's really hard to take this stuff seriously with statements like this...

"We know enough about Obama's Columbia grades to know how far they fall below the Harvard norm, likely even below the affirmative action-adjusted black norm at Harvard."

They imply they don't think he was smart enough to get into Harvard YET Obama graduated magna cum laude in 1991.

Of course, I'm a Liberal! I'm an American, damn it!

This country was founded on the premise of Liberty and Justice for ALL...remember?

My wallet is STILL on hiatus!

savoirfaire said:

Obama Derangement Syndrome strikes again.

Well, for someone who wrote his Columbia thesis on nuclear negotiations with the former Soviet Union, maybe he should re-read his paper before he meets Medvedev again, so that he will be a little more knowledgeable on how to deal with Russia than has appeared in his dealings with it so far...

What do you hope to accomplish or prove by bringing this up?

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RodeoSchro said:

thepope2the9s said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

It's really hard to take this stuff seriously with statements like this...

"We know enough about Obama's Columbia grades to know how far they fall below the Harvard norm, likely even below the affirmative action-adjusted black norm at Harvard."

They imply they don't think he was smart enough to get into Harvard YET Obama graduated magna cum laude in 1991.

thepope2the9s said:

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RodeoSchro said:

Sorry but you lost me when I read the words article & world net daily in the same hemisphere... ridiculous!

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RodeoSchro said:

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

It's really hard to take this stuff seriously with statements like this...

"We know enough about Obama's Columbia grades to know how far they fall below the Harvard norm, likely even below the affirmative action-adjusted black norm at Harvard."

They imply they don't think he was smart enough to get into Harvard YET Obama graduated magna cum laude in 1991.

Nikademus said:

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thepope2the9s said:

An excellent point...

Because of so much secrecy and sealing of records, we have conspiracy theories galore sprouting up..but it still doesn't change simple questions:

Fact is, we don't know what passport Zero was using in 81 when he visited Pakistan, India, and Kenya. It's a point of note, because nothing has been disclosed, whether or not he was traveling with an Indonesian passport, renewed every 5 yrs is one issue. The other, if he was 18 did he renounce his U.S. citizenship? Sounds amazing and hardly probable..yet we have no records.

Likewise, when Zero officially changed his name or what he's legally called is also questionable...nothing's been released. This would show up as amendments to his ever-hidden long form birth certificate.

Another issue is the whole Occidental college fiasco, with folks questioning did Zero get a Fulbright Scholarship/financial aid as an actual or pretend foreign national. Since it's a private college, FOIA requests don't work so lawsuits have sprung up, with Barry's lawyers threatening sanctions.

With all the sealing and non-transparancy, all these issues keep floating around.

It's not only sealing of records..it's the blatant omission of past history that raises serious questions about Zero.

For example, nowhere does Barry in "Dreams.." talk about being in Washington State as a newborn in 1961-1962. Why omit this?

The deal is his mother birthed him Aug 4th 1961 which she claims Honolulu, Hawaii, then weeks later is in Washington State enrolled at the University of WA. Sorry, doesn't jive. We have to put our thinking caps on folks, the media is dead, the internet is the revolution...

"Shall we begin? Yes, Lisa.."

HERE'S A TIMELINE:

    June 1960 -- Ann moved from Washington State to Hawaii with Parents (exact date unknown)

    Sept 1960 -- Ann started classes at U of Hawaii (exact date: Sept. 26, 1960)

    Oct 1960 -- Got pregnant by Obama SR

    Feb 1961 -- Married Obama SR (Feb. 2, 1961)   ANN'S EXACT AGE: 18 years, 2 months, 5 days

-- a big, six-month void --

    Aug 1961 -- Gave birth to Obama JR on Aug. 4, 1961 (reportedly in Hawaii and on that date)   ANN'S EXACT AGE: 18 years, 8 months, 7 days

    Aug 1961 -- Sighting by Susan Blake in late-August on Mercer Island, Seattle (Obama Jr reportedly 3 weeks old)

    Fall 1961 -- Attended classes in Seattle at University of Washington , but not with University of Hawaii in Spring of 1961 -- possible BREAK in Hawaiian Residency status, depending on when she left Hawaii

    Fall 1961 -- a Listing for Stanley Ann Obama appears in the 1961 Polk directory at the Seattle Public Library: "Obama Anna Mrs studt h516 13th Ave. E. apt. 2"

    1961-1962 -- Anna Obama phone listing, as listed in Seattle Reverse Directory, 1961-1962: "Obama Anna Mrs EA3-3346" at "516 Villa Ria Apartments"

    Mar 1962 -- Mary Toutonghi babysat Obama Jr at Ann Dunham (aka Anna Obama) apartment for two months (through May 1962)

    Sum 1962 -- Sighting by John W. Hunt in June-Sept 1962 "I had moved to Utah for a while after high school, and I came back to Seattle in the summer of 1962. I remember visiting the World's Fair, and then stopping by Stanley Ann's apartment on Capitol Hill. It was a small apartment, upstairs. It was after June, and could have been as late as September, 1962. I visited her for half a day or so. It was after the end of the spring quarter classes, and she wasn't in classes, and didn't have a job. I recall her being melancholy at the time. I had a sense that something wasn't right in her."

    Fall 1962 -- Ann Dunman is no longer registered for classes at University of Washington

    Fall 1962 -- Obama SR begins school at Harvard, in Boston, Mass.

    Sept-Dec 1962 -- Ann moves back to Hawaii, with baby Obama, to live with parents

    Spring 1963 -- Ann Dunham resumes school back at  University of Hawaii at Manoa

    Jan 1964 -- Ann Dunham files for divorce in Hawaii Court

    Mar 1964 -- Divorce is granted (Obama SR does not respond to divorce notice in Boston)



SOME THOUGHTS:

How do we know when Ann Dunham left Hawaii?

Brainstorming this all I can do is surmise human behavior of what transpired, especially from a gal who’s 18, and most probably with a dysfunctional family.

One key point being Ann Dunham DID NOT enroll at U of HI for the spring semester 1961. She just started college there, even pregnant she could have attended. Doesn’t make sense.

Unless the impetus was to avoid the STIGMA of pregnancy at such a young age, out of wedlock, to a foreign national of another race from her parents and society (fellow students).

Fair to assume the parents were not accepting. Or maybe she left to avoid them knowing she was pregnant, quickly rationalized and eloped into the sunset with Obama Sr, off to distant foreign lands, 'Uhm bye, we’re in love (i think?)!'.

Stanley had that adventuring spirit and had the taste for the exotic ..remember, this is a woman who married an Indonesian and MOVED to Indonesia, a very different place. I lived there a month, she was a celebrity.

1961 Routes from Nairobi, Kenya were to Glasgow, Scotland, to Vancouver, British Colombia...

So the next question for this scenario is...was Obama Sr enrolled in classes for the spring 1961? Is he listed as enrolled, but then withdrew? Any proof he was on the island?

I have yet to see proof they actually lived together in HI.

Again, no proof of a marriage, supposedly Wailuku, Maui on Feb 2 1961... we do know they WERE MARRIED from the divorce papers.

Another more likely scenario, along the same vein:

Did the couple elope to Washington State or Kenya, Canada?

Did Stanley Ann Dunham take advantage of the Canadian Hospital Insurance and Diagnostic Services Act, which by 1961, all provinces had universal hospital insurance plans in place...the federal government paid approximately half of the costs of normal maintenance and operating expenditures for hospital care? Obama Sr. was a British National...

The baby now born, August or Sept. Ann couldn’t have flown and taken the trip to back to Honolulu with a newborn. At what age/month can a baby fly? Likewise, no direct flights at that time from Seattle to Honolulu... only long drive to Los Angeles ..flights were available L.A. to Honolulu in '61.

So Ann stayed in her old stomping grounds and enrolled at U of WA. Of course, she had a support system of the Payne (mother’s) family, friends there. And as Ann Obama, she put on the charade of being a happy mother and wife when in fact they never had a real relationship/marriage --- Obama Sr. cared more about schooling back at U of HI.

Regardless, I believe there were MAJOR issues with Stanley Ann and family at the time what other reason for her to leave them and raise a child a far distance in WA State?

There is no emoticon for how hard I am laughing right now.

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Just another note on this info...

Make no mistake, Stanley Ann Dunham listed her child as born in the U.S. and took advantage of the many loopholes in Hawaiiaan law at the time:

[§338-17.8]  Certificates for children born out of State. 

(a)  Upon application of an adult
or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such
adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal
parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared
the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately
preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

This was from 1940's-1972, allowing children of a Hawaiian resident born overseas to be registered in Hawaii, based on one relative's statement.

Want to make things more complex? Read the statute above again.

How do we know Stanley Ann Dunham lived in Hawaii for at least one year "immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child"????

Yeah, we really do need to see that long form birth certificate!

In the 1964 Obama Divorce papers, on Pg 2, Section I, Ann FALSELY attested on Jan. 20, 1964 that she "is now and for more than TWO years past has been a resident of Honolulu, City and County of Honolulu, State of Hawaii."

At least TWO years prior would be Jan 20, 1962, when she CLEARLY had been in Washington state, with baby Obama, until as late as September 1962.

Stanley Ann was a consummate SCAM ARTIST, she's gone by many aliases, Ann Dunham, Shirley Dunham, Ann Sutoro, Ann Soetoro, Kelly Dunham, the list goes on and on, and she also used many Social Security #'s. She died in the mid 90's and yet still had an active SS#.

jacobpb said:

Just another note on this info...

Make no mistake, Stanley Ann Dunham listed her child as born in the U.S. and took advantage of the many loopholes in Hawaiiaan law at the time:

[§338-17.8]  Certificates for children born out of State. 

(a)  Upon application of an adult
or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such
adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal
parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared
the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately
preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

This was from 1940's-1972, allowing children of a Hawaiian resident born overseas to be registered in Hawaii, based on one relative's statement.

Want to make things more complex? Read the statute above again.

How do we know Stanley Ann Dunham lived in Hawaii for at least one year "immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child"????

Yeah, we really do need to see that long form birth certificate!

In the 1964 Obama Divorce papers, on Pg 2, Section I, Ann FALSELY attested on Jan. 20, 1964 that she "is now and for more than TWO years past has been a resident of Honolulu, City and County of Honolulu, State of Hawaii."

At least TWO years prior would be Jan 20, 1962, when she CLEARLY had been in Washington state, with baby Obama, until as late as September 1962.

Stanley Ann was a consummate SCAM ARTIST, she's gone by many aliases, Ann Dunham, Shirley Dunham, Ann Sutoro, Ann Soetoro, Kelly Dunham, the list goes on and on, and she also used many Social Security #'s. She died in the mid 90's and yet still had an active SS#.

"Guitar" on Leno is the greatest performance in the history of rock ' roll

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It sure is nice having adults running our government now

jacobpb said:

Just another note on this info...

Make no mistake, Stanley Ann Dunham listed her child as born in the U.S. and took advantage of the many loopholes in Hawaiiaan law at the time:

[§338-17.8]  Certificates for children born out of State. 

(a)  Upon application of an adult
or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such
adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal
parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared
the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately
preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

This was from 1940's-1972, allowing children of a Hawaiian resident born overseas to be registered in Hawaii, based on one relative's statement.

Want to make things more complex? Read the statute above again.

How do we know Stanley Ann Dunham lived in Hawaii for at least one year "immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child"????

Yeah, we really do need to see that long form birth certificate!

In the 1964 Obama Divorce papers, on Pg 2, Section I, Ann FALSELY attested on Jan. 20, 1964 that she "is now and for more than TWO years past has been a resident of Honolulu, City and County of Honolulu, State of Hawaii."

At least TWO years prior would be Jan 20, 1962, when she CLEARLY had been in Washington state, with baby Obama, until as late as September 1962.

Stanley Ann was a consummate SCAM ARTIST, she's gone by many aliases, Ann Dunham, Shirley Dunham, Ann Sutoro, Ann Soetoro, Kelly Dunham, the list goes on and on, and she also used many Social Security #'s. She died in the mid 90's and yet still had an active SS#.

Of course, I'm a Liberal! I'm an American, damn it!

This country was founded on the premise of Liberty and Justice for ALL...remember?

My wallet is STILL on hiatus!

RenHoek said:

Sorry but you lost me when I read the words article & world net daily in the same hemisphere... ridiculous!

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[Edited 7/30/09 10:19am]

World Net Daily is a crazy sight for crazy people. Shame on you,

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