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Does God want you to masturbate?

Does God want you to masturbate?

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, masturbation is "intrinsically and gravely disordered." That's because "sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes." If you aren't making babies, you can't play with the equipment.

But what if playing with the equipment helps you make babies?

Research made public last week suggests precisely that. In a paper presented to the European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology, Dr. David Greening, an Australian infertility expert, reports that 81 percent of the men in his study significantly improved their sperm quality, as measured by DNA fragmentation, through a simple one-week program.

The program was so easy that even the average guy could follow it. According to a summary of the study, "The men were instructed to ejaculate daily."

Why does frequent ejaculation help? Greening's theory is that it shortens the period during which sperm are exposed to harmful molecules in tubes emerging from the testicles. He concludes that to improve their odds of achieving pregnancy, "[c]ouples with relatively normal semen parameters should have sex daily for up to a week before the ovulation date." But if the exposure theory is correct, he notes, the key isn't sex. It's "ejaculatory frequency."

If your wife is available and she's game for sex every night, great. But what if she's tired, sore, or not in the mood? What if you have to work late and she has to go to sleep? What if one of you is out of town? What if your son can't sleep and needs to be with Mommy? Or what if medical advice to have daily sex stresses her out? From a fertility standpoint, says one expert, that kind of pressure "may add even more anxiety and do more harm than good."

Fortunately, you can ejaculate without her. It's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it.

The Catechism defines masturbation as "the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure." But if stimulating your organs promotes fertility and family formation—the "procreative and unitive purposes" of sexual pleasure, as stipulated by the church—is it OK to enjoy it? By my reading, the answer is yes. "Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure," says the Catechism. Quoting Pope Pius XII, it points out that God "established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment."

This theological defense doesn't extend to everyone. If you're gay, single, or a Catholic priest, sorry: Hands off the equipment. Also, Greening is a long way from assembling the kind of scientific dossier that would move the Vatican. His study was confined to men with DNA fragmentation, and that's just one of many fertility factors. To demonstrate a procreative function, scientists will have to broaden the sample population and show that reduced fragmentation and other ejaculatory benefits, such as improved sperm mobility, outweigh the harmful effect of masturbation on semen volume. Ultimately, they'll have to show that frequent ejaculation improves the bottom line: pregnancy.

So get busy, scientists. We're counting on you.
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Reply #1 posted 07/25/09 6:12am

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yes, i think so nod but, maybe we'd best ask Meekle

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Reply #2 posted 07/25/09 8:56am

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XxAxX said:

yes, i think so nod but, maybe we'd best ask Meekle

It's in the Bible. Somewhere near the back. nod

That's why I only masturbate on a Sunday. In church. Somewhere near the back... confused

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Reply #3 posted 07/25/09 9:07am

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NO! Anyone who jerks off is a dirty sinner!! Everybody knows that. cool

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Reply #4 posted 07/25/09 12:08pm

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So god prefers sex to masturbation?

Is unmarried sex better than masturbation?
[Edited 7/25/09 12:12pm]

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Reply #5 posted 07/25/09 12:17pm

AngelLeah

purplemansionFL said:

Does God want you to masturbate?

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, masturbation is "intrinsically and gravely disordered." That's because "sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes." If you aren't making babies, you can't play with the equipment.

But what if playing with the equipment helps you make babies?

Research made public last week suggests precisely that. In a paper presented to the European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology, Dr. David Greening, an Australian infertility expert, reports that 81 percent of the men in his study significantly improved their sperm quality, as measured by DNA fragmentation, through a simple one-week program.

The program was so easy that even the average guy could follow it. According to a summary of the study, "The men were instructed to ejaculate daily."

Why does frequent ejaculation help? Greening's theory is that it shortens the period during which sperm are exposed to harmful molecules in tubes emerging from the testicles. He concludes that to improve their odds of achieving pregnancy, "[c]ouples with relatively normal semen parameters should have sex daily for up to a week before the ovulation date." But if the exposure theory is correct, he notes, the key isn't sex. It's "ejaculatory frequency."

If your wife is available and she's game for sex every night, great. But what if she's tired, sore, or not in the mood? What if you have to work late and she has to go to sleep? What if one of you is out of town? What if your son can't sleep and needs to be with Mommy? Or what if medical advice to have daily sex stresses her out? From a fertility standpoint, says one expert, that kind of pressure "may add even more anxiety and do more harm than good."

Fortunately, you can ejaculate without her. It's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it.

The Catechism defines masturbation as "the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure." But if stimulating your organs promotes fertility and family formation—the "procreative and unitive purposes" of sexual pleasure, as stipulated by the church—is it OK to enjoy it? By my reading, the answer is yes. "Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure," says the Catechism. Quoting Pope Pius XII, it points out that God "established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment."

This theological defense doesn't extend to everyone. If you're gay, single, or a Catholic priest, sorry: Hands off the equipment. Also, Greening is a long way from assembling the kind of scientific dossier that would move the Vatican. His study was confined to men with DNA fragmentation, and that's just one of many fertility factors. To demonstrate a procreative function, scientists will have to broaden the sample population and show that reduced fragmentation and other ejaculatory benefits, such as improved sperm mobility, outweigh the harmful effect of masturbation on semen volume. Ultimately, they'll have to show that frequent ejaculation improves the bottom line: pregnancy.

So get busy, scientists. We're counting on you.
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God is ok with masturbation...however, God is not ok with fornification or adultry. Masturbation is not a sin according to the Bible.[quote]
[Edited 7/25/09 12:18pm]

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Reply #6 posted 07/25/09 12:23pm

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coolcat said:

So god prefers sex to masturbation?

Is unmarried sex better than masturbation?
[Edited 7/25/09 12:12pm]


Unmarried sex is a sin (fornification). So is adultry. Masturbation can be really fun and satisfying, u know!

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Reply #7 posted 07/25/09 12:26pm

AngelLeah

AngelLeah said:

coolcat said:

So god prefers sex to masturbation?

Is unmarried sex better than masturbation?
[Edited 7/25/09 12:12pm]


Unmarried sex is a sin (fornification). So is adultry. Masturbation can be really fun and satisfying, u know!


Here's something that will blow u away! Lesbians are forbidden by the word of God. However, if a man enjoys watching 2 women have sex for his pleasure, it's okay with God cool

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Reply #8 posted 07/25/09 12:29pm

AngelLeah

AngelLeah said:

AngelLeah said:



Unmarried sex is a sin (fornification). So is adultry. Masturbation can be really fun and satisfying, u know!


Here's something that will blow u away! Lesbians are forbidden by the word of God. However, if a man enjoys watching 2 women have sex for his pleasure, it's okay with God cool

Shall I explain this alittle further? lol

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Reply #9 posted 07/25/09 12:30pm

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AngelLeah said:

AngelLeah said:



Here's something that will blow u away! Lesbians are forbidden by the word of God. However, if a man enjoys watching 2 women have sex for his pleasure, it's okay with God cool

Shall I explain this alittle further? lol


lol sure.

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Reply #10 posted 07/25/09 12:32pm

AngelLeah

AngelLeah said:

AngelLeah said:



Here's something that will blow u away! Lesbians are forbidden by the word of God. However, if a man enjoys watching 2 women have sex for his pleasure, it's okay with God cool

Shall I explain this alittle further? lol


K. Man is the dominant flesh according to the Word. Women are the submissive flesh. Women were made to please their man. Married man, that is biggrin
If their man likes it and it is pleasing to him, then it's okay! I think that's kinda sexy myself cool
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Reply #11 posted 07/25/09 12:35pm

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AngelLeah said:

AngelLeah said:


Shall I explain this alittle further? lol


K. Man is the dominant flesh according to the Word. Women are the submissive flesh. Women were made to please their man. Married man, that is biggrin
If their man likes it and it is pleasing to him, then it's okay! I think that's kinda sexy myself cool
[Edited 7/25/09 12:34pm]


So according to the bible... if a woman has sex with another woman to please her husband... that's ok? eek

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Reply #12 posted 07/25/09 12:38pm

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i must have genetically superior sperm than the amount of time i spend taking care of business.

it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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Reply #13 posted 07/25/09 12:40pm

angel345

coolcat said:

AngelLeah said:



K. Man is the dominant flesh according to the Word. Women are the submissive flesh. Women were made to please their man. Married man, that is biggrin
If their man likes it and it is pleasing to him, then it's okay! I think that's kinda sexy myself cool
[Edited 7/25/09 12:34pm]


So according to the bible... if a woman has sex with another woman to please her husband... that's ok? eek

I smell a contradiction here confuse

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Reply #14 posted 07/25/09 12:44pm

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AngelLeah said:[quote]

purplemansionFL said:

Does God want you to masturbate?

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, masturbation is "intrinsically and gravely disordered." That's because "sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes." If you aren't making babies, you can't play with the equipment.

But what if playing with the equipment helps you make babies?

Research made public last week suggests precisely that. In a paper presented to the European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology, Dr. David Greening, an Australian infertility expert, reports that 81 percent of the men in his study significantly improved their sperm quality, as measured by DNA fragmentation, through a simple one-week program.

The program was so easy that even the average guy could follow it. According to a summary of the study, "The men were instructed to ejaculate daily."

Why does frequent ejaculation help? Greening's theory is that it shortens the period during which sperm are exposed to harmful molecules in tubes emerging from the testicles. He concludes that to improve their odds of achieving pregnancy, "[c]ouples with relatively normal semen parameters should have sex daily for up to a week before the ovulation date." But if the exposure theory is correct, he notes, the key isn't sex. It's "ejaculatory frequency."

If your wife is available and she's game for sex every night, great. But what if she's tired, sore, or not in the mood? What if you have to work late and she has to go to sleep? What if one of you is out of town? What if your son can't sleep and needs to be with Mommy? Or what if medical advice to have daily sex stresses her out? From a fertility standpoint, says one expert, that kind of pressure "may add even more anxiety and do more harm than good."

Fortunately, you can ejaculate without her. It's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it.

The Catechism defines masturbation as "the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure." But if stimulating your organs promotes fertility and family formation—the "procreative and unitive purposes" of sexual pleasure, as stipulated by the church—is it OK to enjoy it? By my reading, the answer is yes. "Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure," says the Catechism. Quoting Pope Pius XII, it points out that God "established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment."

This theological defense doesn't extend to everyone. If you're gay, single, or a Catholic priest, sorry: Hands off the equipment. Also, Greening is a long way from assembling the kind of scientific dossier that would move the Vatican. His study was confined to men with DNA fragmentation, and that's just one of many fertility factors. To demonstrate a procreative function, scientists will have to broaden the sample population and show that reduced fragmentation and other ejaculatory benefits, such as improved sperm mobility, outweigh the harmful effect of masturbation on semen volume. Ultimately, they'll have to show that frequent ejaculation improves the bottom line: pregnancy.

So get busy, scientists. We're counting on you.
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God is ok with masturbation...however, God is not ok with fornification or adultry. Masturbation is not a sin according to the Bible.

[Edited 7/25/09 12:18pm]


god is not ok with masturbation your seed is not to be spilled.

it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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Reply #15 posted 07/25/09 1:38pm

AngelLeah

coolcat said:

AngelLeah said:



K. Man is the dominant flesh according to the Word. Women are the submissive flesh. Women were made to please their man. Married man, that is biggrin
If their man likes it and it is pleasing to him, then it's okay! I think that's kinda sexy myself cool
[Edited 7/25/09 12:34pm]


So according to the bible... if a woman has sex with another woman to please her husband... that's ok? eek

Yes, but only for her husband is it not a sin. cool

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Reply #16 posted 07/25/09 1:45pm

AngelLeah

angel345 said:

coolcat said:



So according to the bible... if a woman has sex with another woman to please her husband... that's ok? eek

I smell a contradiction here confuse

I know what ur thinking, however, the bible says we are to please our husbands. Also,if u have read in the old testiment, men had multiple wifes. It's in the bible that it's not a sin and that multiple women r okay for men with God confused
ONLY for the man if that pleases them! U gotta alot men out here now that couldn't handle multiple women around as wifes! lol Men also have to provide for those wifes according to the bible biggrin
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Reply #17 posted 07/25/09 4:31pm

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Someone ask Obama - the new Jesus

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Reply #18 posted 07/25/09 6:13pm

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ehuffnsd said:[quote]

AngelLeah said:


God is ok with masturbation...however, God is not ok with fornification or adultry. Masturbation is not a sin according to the Bible.

[Edited 7/25/09 12:18pm]


god is not ok with masturbation your seed is not to be spilled.



Whoa, think god I keep mine in a jar in the back of the fridge.

"...I will go to the animal shelter and get you a kitty cat. I will let you fall in love...with that kitty cat. And then on some dark, cold night I will steal away into your home...and punch you in the face!"
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lazycrockett said:

ehuffnsd said:



god is not ok with masturbation your seed is not to be spilled.



Whoa, think god I keep mine in a jar in the back of the fridge.

spit Its not going to waste then, its being saved for a rainy day

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Reply #20 posted 07/25/09 9:33pm

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Women who masturbate aren't spilling a seed, so it's ok for women to do it

Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.
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Reply #21 posted 07/25/09 10:03pm

AngelLeah

realm said:

Someone ask Obama - the new Jesus


I'm sorry to say, but Obama is not the new Jesus. There won't be a new Jesus, there was only one and he will be coming back soon to take the true believers of God and God's Word (the bible). Everyone else will face judgement here as this earth is destroyed. Read Revelations (last chapter of the Bible). cool
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Reply #22 posted 07/25/09 10:04pm

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K we get it your'e religious.

rolleyes
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"...I will go to the animal shelter and get you a kitty cat. I will let you fall in love...with that kitty cat. And then on some dark, cold night I will steal away into your home...and punch you in the face!"
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Reply #23 posted 07/25/09 10:07pm

AngelLeah

lazycrockett said:

ehuffnsd said:



god is not ok with masturbation your seed is not to be spilled.



Whoa, think god I keep mine in a jar in the back of the fridge.


That's funny! lol

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Reply #24 posted 07/25/09 10:11pm

AngelLeah

lazycrockett said:

K we get it your'e religious.

rolleyes
[Edited 7/25/09 22:05pm]


We r in a religion forum, aren't we? So I'm givin a religious answer to the question! eek

Sorry everyone, not trying to be a bitch, I just woke up though and I'm little cranky! My sleep patterns r outta whack, big time! sad
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AngelLeah said:

realm said:

Someone ask Obama - the new Jesus


I'm sorry to say, but Obama is not the new Jesus. There won't be a new Jesus, the was only one and he will be coming back soon to take the true believers of God and God's Word (the bible). Everyone else will face judgement here as this earth is destroyed. Read Revelations (last chapter of the Bible). cool


Matt. 6:10: “Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.”
Ps. 37:29: “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.”
Ecclesiastes 1:4;A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite.
Psalm 104:5.He has founded the earth upon its established places;
It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever.
Doesn't sound like this earth will be destroyed.

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Reply #26 posted 07/25/09 10:18pm

AngelLeah

rodman2 said:

AngelLeah said:



I'm sorry to say, but Obama is not the new Jesus. There won't be a new Jesus, the was only one and he will be coming back soon to take the true believers of God and God's Word (the bible). Everyone else will face judgement here as this earth is destroyed. Read Revelations (last chapter of the Bible). cool


Matt. 6:10: “Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.”
Ps. 37:29: “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.”
Ecclesiastes 1:4;A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite.
Psalm 104:5.He has founded the earth upon its established places;
It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever.
Doesn't sound like this earth will be destroyed.

There will be a new earth, a better earth, with all that heaven has to offer. biggrin
The new earth will be in an entirely different universe! This planet earth will be destroyed! It will turn into hell itself!
[Edited 7/25/09 22:21pm]
Thank u Rodman 4 the scriptures! Nice job! biggrin
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AngelLeah said:

rodman2 said:



Matt. 6:10: “Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.”
Ps. 37:29: “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.”
Ecclesiastes 1:4;A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite.
Psalm 104:5.He has founded the earth upon its established places;
It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever.
Doesn't sound like this earth will be destroyed.

There will be a new earth, a better earth, with all that heaven has to offer. biggrin
The new earth will be in an entirely different universe! This planet earth will be destroyed! It will turn into hell itself!
[Edited 7/25/09 22:21pm]


I showed you from he bible my thoughts, show me your thoughts from the bible.

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Reply #28 posted 07/25/09 10:41pm

AngelLeah

rodman2 said:

AngelLeah said:


There will be a new earth, a better earth, with all that heaven has to offer. biggrin
The new earth will be in an entirely different universe! This planet earth will be destroyed! It will turn into hell itself!
[Edited 7/25/09 22:21pm]


I showed you from he bible my thoughts, show me your thoughts from the bible.

Just read revelations in the Bible everyone! It will explain everything u need 2 know about the destruction of this earth and that Jesus will come before the destruction starts 2 take those that r true believers, faithful believers and take them to the new earth instantly without any suffering. The rest will be left to face judgement (face the destruction of this earth). However, the others should have a chance to pray to God then as the earth is being destroyed.
So Don't Worry...Be Happy...(whistle)! LOL! lol
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AngelLeah said:

rodman2 said:



I showed you from he bible my thoughts, show me your thoughts from the bible.

Just read revelations in the Bible everyone! It will explain everything u need 2 know about the destruction of this earth and that Jesus will come before the destruction starts 2 take those that r true believers, faithful believers and take them to the new earth instantly without any suffering. The rest will be left to face judgement (face the destruction of this earth). However, the others should have a chance to pray to God then as the earth is being destroyed.
So Don't Worry...Be Happy...(whistle)! LOL! lol
[Edited 7/25/09 22:43pm]


Surely you can quote scripture, just telling us to read the bible doesn't really pinpoint where you are getting your ideas, please share.

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