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Printable version (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)coolcat said: ConsciousContact said: Is being in a state of "I don t know" or uncertainty the most sacred state of being?  Are you saying you know?I ve heard it said. I have to discover the truth of it for myself though. If I just agree with the statement verbally, or intellectually then it s meaningless. How am I going to discover if the statement is true or not? [Edited 7/19/09 10:24am] The enemy is not the other, the enemy is you. | |
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Is there a god? Highly unlikely, but perhaps you can find one here?
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ConsciousContact said: Purple123 said: If you wnat it to be a God, then there is one, if you don't don't then, there isn't one. Because people who feel very very strongly about this issue, you can't tell them any different.
The mind creates illusions. Do we want to live in illusion? You need to re-read my post. It's an individual thing, not universal. | |
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I remain open to the possibility, but I lean toward no gods, devils, demons, angels and such. My mother probably spins in her grave-- a thought that totally contradicts my beliefs which is why, well, see first few words. Shut up, you amoral and unpleasant-by-your-own-free-will-and-not-due-to-any-systemic-dysfunction-organic-or-otherwise person. | |
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I Believe In a Higher Power aka God....but not religion
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chillichocaholic said: I Believe In a Higher Power aka God....but not religion
I also don't believe in the Devil, yes there is evil, but the devil is a far to convenient excuse for people to do bad things and then blame it on "the Devil" That reason is not a good one, to if the devil does or does not exist. People say that out of ignorance If we are going by hebrew scripture, once the devil tempted Eve into eating of the fruit of the tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil, and Adam ate: the sin nature/fall nature entered into mankind, Humans are 'sinners' by nature, it's a part of our nature to do bad things. Now where I come from
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God exists and so does the devil. Evil started in heaven. Devil got a third of heaven to side with him against God. Politics gone awry. If we are made in God's image then we have capacity to be both good and evil and a capacity to want to be gods ourselves IMHO.
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ConsciousContact said: coolcat said: Are you saying you know?I ve heard it said. I have to discover the truth of it for myself though. If I just agree with the statement verbally, or intellectually then it s meaningless. How am I going to discover if the statement is true or not? [Edited 7/19/09 10:24am] How else can you accept it other than intellectually? | |
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DesireeNevermind said: God exists and so does the devil. Evil started in heaven. Devil got a third of heaven to side with him against God. Politics gone awry. If we are made in God's image then we have capacity to be both good and evil and a capacity to want to be gods ourselves IMHO.
There's a saying "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing man he didn't exist." I say he attempts to convince man that neither he nor God exists. This false belief allows us to worship and also hate ourselves and therefore leads us to our own destruction.  It is also said in the bible that the Devil may come disguised as light and I find that most scary. | |
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dollwoman said: DesireeNevermind said: God exists and so does the devil. Evil started in heaven. Devil got a third of heaven to side with him against God. Politics gone awry. If we are made in God's image then we have capacity to be both good and evil and a capacity to want to be gods ourselves IMHO.
There's a saying "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing man he didn't exist." I say he attempts to convince man that neither he nor God exists. This false belief allows us to worship and also hate ourselves and therefore leads us to our own destruction. It is also said in the bible that the Devil may come disguised as light and I find that most scary. 
It also says beware of false prophets. We will all get played at some point or another, if we haven't been already.
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OldFriends4Sale said: chillichocaholic said: I Believe In a Higher Power aka God....but not religion
I also don't believe in the Devil, yes there is evil, but the devil is a far to convenient excuse for people to do bad things and then blame it on "the Devil" That reason is not a good one, to if the devil does or does not exist. People say that out of ignorance If we are going by hebrew scripture, once the devil tempted Eve into eating of the fruit of the tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil, and Adam ate: the sin nature/fall nature entered into mankind, Humans are 'sinners' by nature, it's a part of our nature to do bad things. Even the church has admitted that adam and eve is probably a story much as sampson and delilah, so Im am afraid Im not buying that as proof either  PRINCE IS WATCHING U " When an Artist Creates, whatever they create belongs to society"
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coolcat said: ConsciousContact said: I ve heard it said. I have to discover the truth of it for myself though. If I just agree with the statement verbally, or intellectually then it s meaningless. How am I going to discover if the statement is true or not? [Edited 7/19/09 10:24am] How else can you accept it other than intellectually? The statement has to be understood totally - intellectually, emotionally, verbally, in your blood and in your guts. To understand it intellectually is to only understand it fragmentally, which is not to understand it at all. The enemy is not the other, the enemy is you. | |
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ConsciousContact said: coolcat said: How else can you accept it other than intellectually? The statement has to be understood totally - intellectually, emotionally, verbally, in your blood and in your guts. To understand it intellectually is to only understand it fragmentally, which is not to understand it at all. can you give an example? | |
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If there is a higher power, it has nothing to do with religion. That was made up by people, to control other people. The Bible was written by ordinary humans, who scratched their arses just like we do, as was the Koran, etc. | |
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TitWankSymphonyInGMINOR said: If there is a higher power, it has nothing to do with religion. That was made up by people, to control other people. The Bible was written by ordinary humans, who scratched their arses just like we do, as was the Koran, etc.
Exactly, and there u have it. Funny thing is even in the bible Jesus did not agree with organised religion PRINCE IS WATCHING U " When an Artist Creates, whatever they create belongs to society"
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chillichocaholic said: TitWankSymphonyInGMINOR said: If there is a higher power, it has nothing to do with religion. That was made up by people, to control other people. The Bible was written by ordinary humans, who scratched their arses just like we do, as was the Koran, etc.
Exactly, and there u have it. Funny thing is even in the bible Jesus did not agree with organised religion Well that's not completely true, he was faithful to synogogue and was considered a rabbi many scriptures show him at the temple, in the temple, reading scripture in the temple etc etc Now where I come from
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OldFriends4Sale said: chillichocaholic said: Exactly, and there u have it. Funny thing is even in the bible Jesus did not agree with organised religion Well that's not completely true, he was faithful to synogogue and was considered a rabbi many scriptures show him at the temple, in the temple, reading scripture in the temple etc etc I thin it was more of a case of him being faithful to God than a religion because he defied alot of the Jewish laws PRINCE IS WATCHING U " When an Artist Creates, whatever they create belongs to society"
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OldFriends4Sale said: many scriptures show him at the temple, in the temple, reading scripture in the temple etc etc those scriptures were written by ordinary people, oldfriends. Sure, they said it was the word of god. But then, I could say that about this post. Who's to say it isn't? | |
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there is a god...and god is in all of us. so in a way we are all god cause
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How anyone can seriously use the bible to make their case for the existence of god is beyond me. When I read comments like:
“The statement has to be understood totally - intellectually, emotionally, verbally, in your blood and in your guts. To understand it intellectually is to only understand it fragmentally, which is not to understand it at all”
…I realise the levels of stupidity on this site have plummeted far below anything I encounter on a day to day basis. This has nothing to do with evolution or the big bang, and everything to do with what people are taught as children and never questioned. It is about being too lazy or stupid to really investigate the facts. It is about finding comfort in myths and legends which are of no relevance today. To believe in a god without religion is just about excusable in my opinion. Yes it may indicate a pathetic level of understanding, but at least it doesn’t pretend to understand the thoughts and actions of a divine overlord. But to believe in a god AND religion shows a staggering level of naivety and arrogance which borders on insanity. | |
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TitWankSymphonyInGMINOR said: OldFriends4Sale said: many scriptures show him at the temple, in the temple, reading scripture in the temple etc etc those scriptures were written by ordinary people, oldfriends. Sure, they said it was the word of god. But then, I could say that about this post. Who's to say it isn't? That's what U believe But your taking my response out of the context that it was given I responded to 'Jesus was against organized religion' Now I'm assuming this 'Jesus' is the one in the New Testament bible... so we go to the bible to figure out if that is true or not. You went way left and around the corner on that one kiddo. I believe it is, you don't Now where I come from
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chillichocaholic said: OldFriends4Sale said: Well that's not completely true, he was faithful to synogogue and was considered a rabbi many scriptures show him at the temple, in the temple, reading scripture in the temple etc etc I thin it was more of a case of him being faithful to God than a religion because he defied alot of the Jewish laws Actually he didn't defy Levitical Law, he defied 'mans traditions that they added to the law' Like when he and the disciples were picking corn and eating it, the Pharases said that wasn't 'lawful to do on the Sabbath' and Jesus replied the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. They took things further than was actually written. Everything he did was in the Levitical Law and Hebrew scripture When he 'stopped' the woman from being stoned. It was in the Law and scripture Compassion and Mercy, Justice and Equity were to be mingled with the Law, but man likes to add and change what they will Now where I come from
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I fail to see what the last few posts have to do with the existance of god? All I see are people discussing the details of supposed events which were kept alive by word of mouth for over 90 years before being written down by unknown people and then modified over the next couple of centuries. Any other line of reasoning based on such flimsy evidence would never be taken seriously, but add a magic element and you all think its fact!
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yxl1 said: How anyone can seriously use the bible to make their case for the existence of god is beyond me. When I read comments like:
“The statement has to be understood totally - intellectually, emotionally, verbally, in your blood and in your guts. To understand it intellectually is to only understand it fragmentally, which is not to understand it at all”
…I realise the levels of stupidity on this site have plummeted far below anything I encounter on a day to day basis. This has nothing to do with evolution or the big bang, and everything to do with what people are taught as children and never questioned. It is about being too lazy or stupid to really investigate the facts. It is about finding comfort in myths and legends which are of no relevance today. ??? That was my statement in connection with the question "is uncertainty the most sacred state of being?". What s stupid about it? [Edited 7/22/09 7:56am] The enemy is not the other, the enemy is you. | |
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yxl1 said: How anyone can seriously use the bible to make their case for the existence of god is beyond me. When I read comments like:
“The statement has to be understood totally - intellectually, emotionally, verbally, in your blood and in your guts. To understand it intellectually is to only understand it fragmentally, which is not to understand it at all”
…I realise the levels of stupidity on this site have plummeted far below anything I encounter on a day to day basis. This has nothing to do with evolution or the big bang, and everything to do with what people are taught as children and never questioned. It is about being too lazy or stupid to really investigate the facts. It is about finding comfort in myths and legends which are of no relevance today. To believe in a god without religion is just about excusable in my opinion. Yes it may indicate a pathetic level of understanding, but at least it doesn’t pretend to understand the thoughts and actions of a divine overlord. But to believe in a god AND religion shows a staggering level of naivety and arrogance which borders on insanity. Bold 1:  I have to laugh at those who ASSUME that because someone is religious it's ONLY because of things they were taught as a child and that they NEVER questioned anything. How supercilious of you, that only you and those like you have mastered the great compacity of thinking. A true religious person does question everything; rail, rant and rave, it's the one that perseveres that is the true believer of whatever.
Bold 2: "To thine own self be true" I made a comment on another thread along these lines. Questioning whether people really say what they say because it really true for them, or are they afraid of what other people will think of them so they jump ship to appease someone else. Never again, not I. | |
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yxl1 said: I fail to see what the last few posts have to do with the existance of god? All I see are people discussing the details of supposed events which were kept alive by word of mouth for over 90 years before being written down by unknown people and then modified over the next couple of centuries. Any other line of reasoning based on such flimsy evidence would never be taken seriously, but add a magic element and you all think its fact!
Its no wonder you lot are against evidence and proof. God help us if you lot ever get asked to do jury duty! [Edited 7/22/09 7:28am] Sorry but that was a very ignorant statement made against people U know nothing about I'm totally on proof Now where I come from
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morningsong said: yxl1 said: How anyone can seriously use the bible to make their case for the existence of god is beyond me. When I read comments like:
…I realise the levels of stupidity on this site have plummeted far below anything I encounter on a day to day basis. This has nothing to do with evolution or the big bang, and everything to do with what people are taught as children and never questioned. It is about being too lazy or stupid to really investigate the facts. It is about finding comfort in myths and legends which are of no relevance today. To believe in a god without religion is just about excusable in my opinion. Yes it may indicate a pathetic level of understanding, but at least it doesn’t pretend to understand the thoughts and actions of a divine overlord. But to believe in a god AND religion shows a staggering level of naivety and arrogance which borders on insanity. Bold 1: I have to laugh at those who ASSUME that because someone is religious it's ONLY because of things they were taught as a child and that they NEVER questioned anything. How supercilious of you, that only you and those like you have mastered the great compacity of thinking. A true religious person does question everything; rail, rant and rave, it's the one that perseveres that is the true believer of whatever.
Bold 2: "To thine own self be true" I made a comment on another thread along these lines. Questioning whether people really say what they say because it really true for them, or are they afraid of what other people will think of them so they jump ship to appease someone else. I applaude your statment, and 2nd it Now where I come from
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OldFriends4Sale said: morningsong said: Bold 1: I have to laugh at those who ASSUME that because someone is religious it's ONLY because of things they were taught as a child and that they NEVER questioned anything. How supercilious of you, that only you and those like you have mastered the great compacity of thinking. A true religious person does question everything; rail, rant and rave, it's the one that perseveres that is the true believer of whatever.
Bold 2: "To thine own self be true" I made a comment on another thread along these lines. Questioning whether people really say what they say because it really true for them, or are they afraid of what other people will think of them so they jump ship to appease someone else. I applaude your statment, and 2nd it 3rdt it. 
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Lest anyone get it twisted.
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