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Pope Asks for More Aid to World's Poor.

VATICAN CITY – Pope Benedict XVI signed his latest encyclical Monday, a text on ways to make globalization more attentive to meeting the needs of the poor amid the worldwide financial crisis.

The document, entitled "Charity in Truth," is expected to be published soon.

The pope has said his third encyclical will outline the goals and values that the faithful must defend to ensure solidarity among all peoples.

Benedict has frequently spoken out on the financial crisis, urging leaders to ensure the world's poor don't end up bearing the brunt of the downturn even though they are not responsible for it. He has said the downturn shows the need to rethink the whole global financial system.

The pontiff announced he had signed the document Monday, a major Catholic feast day, after celebrating a Mass during which he told new archbishops they must be models for the faithful, guiding them and protecting them as shepherds care for their flock.

Thirty-four new archbishops, including the new archbishop of New York, Monsignor Timothy Dolan, received the pallium, a band of white wool decorated with black crosses that is a sign of pastoral authority and a symbol of the archbishops' bond with the pope.

Benedict said the archbishops should be like Christ "who as a good shepherd carried on his back humanity — the lost sheep — to bring them home."

Benedict has been working on "Caritas in veritate," as the encyclical is known in Latin, since 2007 but held back on issuing it so that he could update it to reflect the global economic crisis.

An encyclical is the most authoritative document a pope can issue. Benedict has written two in his four years as pope: "God is Love" in 2006 and "Saved by Hope" in 2007.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...tican_pope
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Reply #1 posted 06/30/09 10:59pm

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I call the Pope the Holy Father and the thread gets a response because people don't like that is one of his honorific titles. I post a thread where he asks for the poor to receive more attention from the wealthy and not one response?

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Reply #2 posted 06/30/09 11:13pm

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Question: The Vatican is rich. Why don't they help contribute some money to the poor. neutral

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Reply #3 posted 06/30/09 11:23pm

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Question: The Vatican is rich. Why don't they help contribute some money to the poor. neutral

The Catholic Church is the largest charity organization in the world. They run orphanages, hospitals, homeless shelters, food pantries, soup kitchens, and various other programs in every country there are in.

The National American Charity is Catholic Charities of America
http://www.catholiccharit...x?pid=1174



The vast majority of money collect in each parish stays in the community it is in or goes to the upkeep of the parish.

About Catholic Charities USA

Catholic Charities USA is the national office for over 1,700 local Catholic Charities agencies and institutions nationwide. Catholic Charities USA provides strong leadership and support to enhance the work of local agencies in their efforts to reduce poverty, support families, and empower communities.

Catholic Charities USA's members provide help and create hope for more than 7.8 million people of all faiths each year.

Catholic Charities USA supports local agencies through:

* Advocacy
Catholic Charities USA vigorously advocates federal policymakers on our poverty reduction agenda and promotes the work of local Catholic Charities to the media and the general public.
* Networking
CCUSA provides networking opportunities to bring members together to share information, solve problems, and connect with one another. Catholic Charities USA also creates and facilitates a wide range of networks and partnerships with other organizations committed to social justice, including the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.
* National Voice
Catholic Charities USA’s president represents North America before Caritas International—the international conference of Catholic Charities—maintaining contact with the Catholic Charities movement throughout the world.
* Training, Financial Support, and Leadership
Catholic Charities USA provides training, technical assistance, financial support, and leadership in developing model programs and services for members. By providing these services, Catholic Charities USA enables local agencies to better devote their own resources to serving their community.
* Disaster Response
Catholic Charities USA has been commissioned by the U.S. Catholic bishops to represent the Catholic community in times of domestic disaster. Catholic Charities USA provides technical assistance, training, and financial assistance to local agencies.

Catholic Charities USA was founded in 1910 on the campus of Catholic University of America in Washington, DC, as the National Conference of Catholic Charities.

The National Conference was created to promote the creation of diocesan Catholic Charities bureaus, to encourage professional social work practice, “to bring a sense of solidarity” among those in charitable ministries, and to be the “attorney for the poor."

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1. "The Catholic Church has pots of money."

Caritas Internationalis is funded by fees from national members and from private donations. Caritas members raise their money mostly from the support of the Catholic community. Our budget is small compared to the work we do. All our members are committed to good stewardship.

2. "Caritas wastes all its money on bureaucracy."

All our members have a commitment to keeping costs down to a minimum while at the same time operating at the highest standards of professionalism. Because we are part of the local communities where we work, we pay local salaries and rates. Our members who work internationally pledge to only spend around 10 percent on admin.

3. "Caritas only helps Christians."

Caritas works without regard to religion, gender, or ethnicity. We help feed 300,000 people in Darfur where Islam is the predominate religion. Caritas Egypt has 1000 staff, over 99 percent of whom are not Christian. Caritas works in Chechnya, Somalia, India, the Holy Land, Iran, and so on.

4. "Poor people are lazy."

Caritas does not believe in handouts but hand-ups. Poor people can’t afford to be lazy. They’re working hard to survive and give their families a chance. They need our solidarity to be able to transform their own lives.

5. "Caritas is about converting people to Christianity."

Caritas is committed to the prophetic message of the Gospels, but that does not mean trying to convert people. It means giving support to communities whatever their religion. We wouldn’t be allowed to work where we do if our mission was anything else.

6. "Aid money goes to corrupt leaders."

Caritas money goes directly to the beneficiaries and not through national governments. Caritas takes part in building up civil society to hold corrupt government officials to account.

7. "Campaigning for change is pointless."

Look at some of the campaigns we’ve worked on. The anti-landmines campaign brought in a ban, the Jubilee Debt Campaign wiped off millions of dollars of unpayable debt, and the Make Poverty History campaign increased aid flows by billions of dollars.

8. "Caritas is separate from the Catholic Church."

Caritas is an expression of the Church’s social work. It’s as much part of the Church as going to Mass on Sunday, priests, bishops, and the Catholic communities they serve. All our members work with the support of the local bishops and Caritas Internationalis is recognised by the Vatican.

9. "The Catholic Church is part of the problem not part of the solution for HIV and AIDS."

Church and Caritas organisations provide 25 percent of the care to people living with HIV in Africa. Caritas disseminates accurate information, discourages stigma, and encourages compassion. Caritas advocates for better laws to give access for all to care, treatment, support and education.

10. "Aid does not do any good."

Tell that to the 24 million people who receive healthcare, education, have access to cleaner water, or those who get food, shelter, clothing, and compassion when disaster strikes, thanks to people supporting Caritas.

http://www.caritas.org/index.html

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Reply #5 posted 06/30/09 11:39pm

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http://www.vatican.va/rom...04_en.html

ACTIVITIES


The primary work of the Pontifical Council is to engage in action-oriented studies based on both the papal and episcopal social teaching of the Church. Through them, the Pontifical Council also contributes to the development of this teaching in the following vast fields:
JUSTICE. The Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace is concerned with all that touches upon social justice, the world of work, international life, development in general and social development in particular. It also promotes ethical reflection on the evolution of economic and financial systems and addresses problems related to the environment and the responsible use of the earth's resources.
PEACE. The Pontifical Council reflects on a broad range of questions related to war, disarmament and the arms trade, international security, and violence in its various and everchanging forms (terrorism, exaggerated nationalism etc.). It also considers the question of political systems and the role of Catholics in the political arena. It is responsible for the promotion of the World Day of Peace.
HUMAN RIGHTS. This question has assumed increasing importance in the mission of the Church and consequently in the work of the Pontifical Council. Pope John Paul II consistently stresses that the dignity of the human person is the foundation of the promotion and defense of his or her inalienable rights. The Council deals with the subject from three perspectives: deepening the doctrinal aspect, dealing with questions under discussion in international organizations, showing concern for the victims of the violation of human rights.


http://www.vatican.va/rom...le_en.html

2. Competence

The categories of people, who due to their particular circumstances are unable to benefit from the ordinary ministry of parishes or are completely without assistance (cf. Christus Dominus, 18), are namely, migrants, exiles, refugees, displaced people, fishermen and seafarers, air transport personnel, nomads, circus and fairground people, those who go on trips for reasons of piety, study or recreation, land transport workers and other similar categories (see P.B. 150 and 151 and the Circular Letter to the Bishops’ Conferences “The Church and Human Mobility”, 1978, II, F).

The Pontifical Council, “an instrument the Pope uses to fulfill his universal mission” (P.B., Introduction, no.7), “brings the pastoral concern of the Church to bear on the special needs of those who have been forced to leave their native land or who do not have one. It also sees to it that these matters are considered with the attention they deserve” (P.B., art.149).

It thereby promotes the pastoral care of people involved in human mobility:

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ensuring that at the particular Churches such people “receive effective and special spiritual care, even, if necessary, by means of suitable pastoral structures” (P.B., art.150);
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through the Apostleship of the Sea, over which it exercises “ultimate direction” (P.B., art.150);
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paying attention to matters regarding human mobility (P.B., art.149);
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working to ensure that Christian people “become aware of the needs” of people involved in human mobility, especially on the occasion of World Migration Day (P.B., art.150:4);
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and ensuring that Christian people “effectively demonstrate a fraternal attitude” (P.B., art.150:4) to people on the move around the world, and
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“work to ensure that journeys which Christians undertake for reasons of piety, study or recreation contribute to their moral and religious formation” (P.B., art.151).

Moreover, the Council regularly and directly follows the International Catholic Migration Commission by supporting its objectives and initiatives, participating in meetings of its management and promoting active collaboration with this Commission, and between it and other Organisations that have an interest in migrants and refugees.

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Reply #6 posted 06/30/09 11:40pm

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Why don't they melt down some of that gold that they have all over the place at vac city?

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Why don't they melt down some of that gold that they have all over the place at vac city?

the Church is the steward of vast majority of Western Cultures greatest works of art since the Fall of the Roman Empire. Is it better for those to be in some private collection hidden from view of the world who the art belongs to or in the care of an institution that will ensure that will be taken care of and seen?

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ehuffnsd said:

lazycrockett said:

Why don't they melt down some of that gold that they have all over the place at vac city?

the Church is the steward of vast majority of Western Cultures greatest works of art since the Fall of the Roman Empire. Is it better for those to be in some private collection hidden from view of the world who the art belongs to or in the care of an institution that will ensure that will be taken care of and seen?


Here's the official website http://www.vaticanstate.v...mepage.htm

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Reply #9 posted 06/30/09 11:46pm

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A starving child looking at a pretty picture doesn't fill his/her stomach. just sayin.

Then again as religious as I am, which is nil, I'll leave you in peace.

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luv4u said:

ehuffnsd said:


the Church is the steward of vast majority of Western Cultures greatest works of art since the Fall of the Roman Empire. Is it better for those to be in some private collection hidden from view of the world who the art belongs to or in the care of an institution that will ensure that will be taken care of and seen?


Here's the official website http://www.vaticanstate.v...mepage.htm

i normally access everything through the Holy See's website

http://www.vatican.va

they also run this great page which overs visual tours of the Papal Basilicas
http://www.vatican.va/var...ex_en.html

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A starving child looking at a pretty picture doesn't fill his/her stomach. just sayin.

Then again as religious as I am, which is nil, I'll leave you in peace.


It's the governments of those countries where their people starve coz they are busy fighting some war or buying war machines.

There are other organizations that help with starvation such as OXFAM, CARE etc.

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A starving child looking at a pretty picture doesn't fill his/her stomach. just sayin.

Then again as religious as I am, which is nil, I'll leave you in peace.

yet you fail to notice the three post of information about everything the Church is doing. nice.

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There are many religions who make their contribution helping the worlds poor too.

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Reply #14 posted 06/30/09 11:54pm

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luv4u said:

There are many religions who make their contribution helping the worlds poor too.

i don't doubt that. its more of the everyone is quick to point out Jesus said don't call anyone Father, but I posted the Pope calling for the wealthy to aid the poor and I got crickets.

The JWs and the Catholics get alot of bigotry spewed to them on this forum.

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Reply #15 posted 06/30/09 11:56pm

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luv4u said:

There are many religions who make their contribution helping the worlds poor too.

i don't doubt that. its more of the everyone is quick to point out Jesus said don't call anyone Father, but I posted the Pope calling for the wealthy to aid the poor and I got crickets.

The JWs and the Catholics get alot of bigotry spewed to them on this forum.


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Reply #16 posted 07/01/09 12:21am

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ehuffnsd said:

I call the Pope the Holy Father and the thread gets a response because people don't like that is one of his honorific titles. I post a thread where he asks for the poor to receive more attention from the wealthy and not one response?

easy. just rename this 'Holy Father Asks for More Aid to World's Poor' and see your thread get off

alternatively you could also smuggle the words "abortion" or "condoms" into the thread title


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Dancelot said:

ehuffnsd said:

I call the Pope the Holy Father and the thread gets a response because people don't like that is one of his honorific titles. I post a thread where he asks for the poor to receive more attention from the wealthy and not one response?

easy. just rename this 'Holy Father Asks for More Aid to World's Poor' and see your thread get off

alternatively you could also smuggle the words "abortion" or "condoms" into the thread title


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now you have summoned Hiin and gp to this thread. thanks!

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The only beneficial and ultimately sustaianble form of charity the poor should get is contraception and abortions. Thus being given the self determination to limit the amount of soon to be starving mouths they bring into existence. Feeding and housing them only offers a safety net to breed more and the problem only increases.

Probably not a popular position with old popey pants.

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ehuffnsd said:

Dancelot said:


easy. just rename this 'Holy Father Asks for More Aid to World's Poor' and see your thread get off

alternatively you could also smuggle the words "abortion" or "condoms" into the thread title


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now you have summoned Hiin and gp to this thread. thanks!



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“When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist.” Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara
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Reply #20 posted 07/01/09 12:30pm

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If the Pope lived more like Mother Theresa his plea might have more weight.

When Mother Theresa was given a limo by Pope John Paul II she turned right around and sold it. People may not always have agreed with her views on the Virgin Mary, abortion etc but they respected her integrity.

When a person claims to be a Christian and looks like they try to emulate Christ in lifestyle their words seem more heartfelt.

I am now studying with a different Christian denomination and can go on and on about the Catholic Church both negatively and possitively.

My point is they desperately need another Mother Theresa as a spokesperson if they want to truely be heard, respected,and stop shrinking and start growing.

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dollwoman said:

I am an ex-Catholic,

If the Pope lived more like Mother Theresa his plea might have more weight.

When Mother Theresa was given a limo by Pope John Paul II she turned right around and sold it. People may not always have agreed with her views on the Virgin Mary, abortion etc but they respected her integrity.

When a person claims to be a Christian and looks like they try to emulate Christ in lifestyle their words seem more heartfelt.

I am now studying with a different Christian denomination and can go on and on about the Catholic Church both negatively and possitively.

My point is they desperately need another Mother Theresa as a spokesperson if they want to truely be heard, respected,and stop shrinking and start growing.


This, I wholeheartedly agree with.

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Reply #22 posted 07/01/09 1:25pm

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I take it he is speaking to catholics, because he can claim no authority over others, right? So my guess what he is saying to his followers is to get out there and help poor people somehow, and if that is too much work, put more in the poor box. I'm sure we all on this forum help others in one way or another. He speaks of financial system problems and it's possible his bookkeeper has been talking to him. All Charities have administration costs, some more than others, it can actually be a good business if one is at the top of the administration. I don't think the hat is a good idea though, special garments made of special stuff is pompous.

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rodman2 said:

I take it he is speaking to catholics, because he can claim no authority over others, right? So my guess what he is saying to his followers is to get out there and help poor people somehow, and if that is too much work, put more in the poor box. I'm sure we all on this forum help others in one way or another. He speaks of financial system problems and it's possible his bookkeeper has been talking to him. All Charities have administration costs, some more than others, it can actually be a good business if one is at the top of the administration. I don't think the hat is a good idea though, special garments made of special stuff is pompous.

no he's addressing the world.

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Reply #24 posted 07/01/09 9:50pm

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ehuffnsd said:

rodman2 said:

I take it he is speaking to catholics, because he can claim no authority over others, right? So my guess what he is saying to his followers is to get out there and help poor people somehow, and if that is too much work, put more in the poor box. I'm sure we all on this forum help others in one way or another. He speaks of financial system problems and it's possible his bookkeeper has been talking to him. All Charities have administration costs, some more than others, it can actually be a good business if one is at the top of the administration. I don't think the hat is a good idea though, special garments made of special stuff is pompous.

no he's addressing the world.


oh I understand the broadcast networking system, And I said who I thought the message was for. and why. None of the other many religions in the world or whatevers are going to stop and really think this message is even original. Like I said we all here give and help others. Your under the delusion that because the pope said this it should have more meaning. I'm disagreeing.
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rodman2 said:

ehuffnsd said:


no he's addressing the world.


oh I understand the broadcast networking system, And I said who I thought the message was for. and why. None of the other many religions in the world or whatevers are going to stop and really think this message is even original. Like I said we all here give and help others. Your under the delusion that because the pope said this it should have more meaning. I'm disagreeing.
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no i am not delusion about anything. People don't listen any religious leader more than anyother. the only difference between say the Pope and Joel Osteen. Is the Pope has an international audience the respect of the world community

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ehuffnsd said:

rodman2 said:



oh I understand the broadcast networking system, And I said who I thought the message was for. and why. None of the other many religions in the world or whatevers are going to stop and really think this message is even original. Like I said we all here give and help others. Your under the delusion that because the pope said this it should have more meaning. I'm disagreeing.
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no i am not delusion about anything. People don't listen any religious leader more than anyother. the only difference between say the Pope and Joel Osteen. Is the Pope has an international audience the respect of the world community

Not to sure about the bold part. I still think money might be tight in the vatican account. And many Joel's would love to be able to pass plates that far, for the poor of course.

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VATICAN CITY – Pope Benedict XVI has urged G-8 leaders meeting in Italy next week to rewrite global financial rules and defend the world's poor from the effects of the economic downturn, the Vatican said Saturday.

In a letter to Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi, who will chair the summit, Benedict appealed to leaders to "listen to the voice of Africa and of the countries that are less developed economically."

Benedict said the economic crisis means there is a "real risk not only that hopes to emerge from extreme poverty will be dashed, but that populations that so far have benefited from a minimum of material well-being will fall into poverty."

The pope called on the leaders to "reform the international financial architecture" to avoid the speculative operations blamed for the crisis and ensure public and private credit is made available for economic development and job creation, especially in poor regions.

He also urged leaders to improve access to education and jobs, and to work to create a "fair international trade system" by completing the stalled Doha round of world trade talks.

The pope has frequently spoken out on the crisis, urging leaders to rethink the global financial system and ensure the world's poor don't end up bearing the brunt of the downturn, even though they are not responsible for it.

In the letter published Saturday by the Vatican, Benedict recalled that such issues are also dealt with in his latest encyclical, which outlines ways make globalization more attentive to meeting the needs of the poor amid the crisis.

The document, the most authoritative a pope can issue, was signed last week and is expected to be published Tuesday, on the eve of the G-8 summit.

Some of the participants will visit the Vatican, including U.S. President Barack Obama who will have his first meeting with Benedict on Friday.

In his letter to Berlusconi, Benedict also wrote that all nations must be included on key decisions and multilateralism must be strengthened not only in the economic field but also on issues including security, disarmament, heath and the environment protection.

"All needs must be taken into careful consideration, not only those of the most important nations or of those with greater economic success," he wrote in the letter dated July 1. "Only this can make such decisions truly applicable and sustainable in time."

Leaders from the Group of Eight industrialized nations and other countries will meet for three days starting Wednesday in the quake-hit city of L'Aquila.

The summit, originally set to take place in the posh Sardinian island of La Maddalena, was moved to the mountain town to highlight the population's plight after the area was hit by a devastating earthquake in April.

Benedict praised Berlusconi's decision to move the summit, saying that such a gesture, as well as the national and international relief efforts in the quake zone, could serve as an example for how the world's problems should be tackled.

"This supportive mobilization could serve as an invitation to the members of the G-8 and the governments and peoples of the world to face the current challenges united," Benedict wrote in the letter.

it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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Reply #28 posted 07/09/09 10:20am

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Truth is incontrovertible,
Malice may distort it,
Ignorance may deride it,
But there it is.

Go to the source - www.watchtower.org

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NewSystem said:



Okay I stand corrected, the vatican account seems flush. By rights there shouldn't be a hungry or homeless catholic in the world.

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