Man...I'm against the system of child support

I am against the system of child support which if you do you research it perpetuates the new form of standarnnized slavery. It's a tool to divide the family and get men and women and put them against each other. I don't think women would be having children out-of-wedlock, if she knew that the government wouldn't suppport her .... (I'm only for it if the couple were marry and it didn't work for whatever reasons)

So you believe that if a woman gets pregnant and has a child, the man who fathered the child shouldn't be held financially responsible by the state to take care of that child?

How does it pit women and men against each other?
Would you feel better paying more taxes to support these children?

having some personal experience with this from family members the child support system unfairly favors the mother.

So...people have out of wedlock sex and women deliberately get pregnant so the government will give them money? How does it pit men and women against each other? Shouldn't men have an obligation to support the children they had a part in creating?

Who do you buy your crack from, sir?

meow85 said:

ehuffnsd said:

meow85 said:

Fathers need to step up, they need to take responsibility.
Most are young and immature, sadly an affliction a lot men never grow out of,
But I think the system is preferential towards women, I would like to see women also face the financial responsibility in generating x amount monthly, paid in full towards a trust, with full accountability of each and every cent when awarded custody.
Guys face jail time, loss of their drivers license and high interests for failing to live up to their responsibilities, I think that should be parlayed evenly.

something like this will have sobering effects to both men and women in regards to responsibility.
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ehuffnsd said:

CarrieMpls said:

CarrieMpls said:

divorce proceedings should automatically be tied to family counseling - ideally including the extended family. just like fathers need to hold up their end of the bargain, mothers need to learn not to take their frustrations out on their ex-husbands and kids in the process. the underlying causes for the breakup (or non-existing relationship) can't be left unaddressed.

ehuffnsd said:

OK wow... so many assumptions/generalizations being made here.

1. Single mothers have to live with the stigma of being single mothers. At the school, Dr.'s office, every where.

2. Married women that choose to stay home to raise children and live off the husband's paycheck are not judged since this is a traditional role in society.
The single mom lucky enough to receive enough support to not have to rely on the state for any help needs not to be judged by any one if she chooses to be there with her child and not allow a daycare center/school/afterschhool/ before school teachers to raise her child.

3. Most single parents spend more money on childcare in one week than they receive in support for the entire month.

4. Most fathers raising their children spend more than 22% of their income on their children.

5. A single mother who decides to raise her child is not a bum and shouldn't be talked about or treated as such.

Now, a single mother that is a drug addict, and decides to seek state aid, and not pursue interests that will enrich her and her child(ren)'s lives IS a bum.
She is a bum for not taking her life seriously, and NOT because she is a single mom.

6. More fathers are raising their children, those that seek full custody can benefit from the same laws as well.

The child support fathers pay may seem like a lot, but really it is just fair.

If men don't want to be fathers then they need to prevent pregancy and use birth control.

I see it as, the father regains his freedom, free to come and go as he wants to. Answer to no one, free to sex anyone up in his place without having to date and deal with parenthood issues, babysitters, etc. Free to pursue interests, hobbies, work all day.... no worries.

22% of your income is a good deal for a 24 hour around the clock permanent babysitter. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.

Its all how you look at the situation.
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paintedlady said:

The child support fathers pay may seem like a lot, but really it is just fair.

If men don't want to be fathers then they need to protect themselves.

I see it as, the father regains his freedom, free to come and go as he wants to. Answer to no one, free to sex anyone up in his place without having to date and deal with parenthood issues, babysitters, etc. Free to pursue interests, hobbies, work all day.... no worries.

22% of your income is a good deal for a 24 hour around the clock permanent babysitter. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.

Its all how you look at the situation.

ehuffnsd said:

paintedlady said:

The child support fathers pay may seem like a lot, but really it is just fair.

If men don't want to be fathers then they need to protect themselves.

I see it as, the father regains his freedom, free to come and go as he wants to. Answer to no one, free to sex anyone up in his place without having to date and deal with parenthood issues, babysitters, etc. Free to pursue interests, hobbies, work all day.... no worries.

22% of your income is a good deal for a 24 hour around the clock permanent babysitter. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.

Its all how you look at the situation.

but women should not deny their child the ability to be with their father or their father's family.

ehuffnsd said:

paintedlady said:

The child support fathers pay may seem like a lot, but really it is just fair.

If men don't want to be fathers then they need to protect themselves.

I see it as, the father regains his freedom, free to come and go as he wants to. Answer to no one, free to sex anyone up in his place without having to date and deal with parenthood issues, babysitters, etc. Free to pursue interests, hobbies, work all day.... no worries.

22% of your income is a good deal for a 24 hour around the clock permanent babysitter. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.

Its all how you look at the situation.

but women should not deny their child the ability to be with their father or their father's family.

paintedlady said:

Hmmmmm where I live in the Family Court system child support is mandatory.

It's based on income and number of children.

The courts believe that even though mommy and daddy no longer live together they are STILL parents of those child(ren) and child support is for helping or continuing to raise the child(ren).

It can be the man or the woman who is paying child support.

Even if the person is in arrears they still get their access visits. Here, access and child support are two separate issues. The courts here do not punish the debtor by stopping visitations. Some people believe the courts should.

Edmonton, AB - - If you're happy and you know it your hands, if you're happy and you know it do a

Wow, there ain't nothing I can say to this. Folks just wanna have their fun, without dealing with any consequence, even at the expense of their own flesh and blood. Food, clothing and shelter cost money, a lot of money, and it's got to come from somewhere.

morningsong said:

Edmonton, AB - - If you're happy and you know it your hands, if you're happy and you know it do a

purplemansionFL said:

Child support is a necessity.

Women having kids as a means of financial gain is abhorent.

There should be laws in effect that force women to use their child support ON THEIR CHILDREN.

alternately - I know someone who is down on his luck. Lost his business, lost his house, lost his car...and is living in his momma's basement & taking the bus because every penny he earns goes to child support for his 2 sons...to undoubtedly help finance their trips to the Bahamas and Cancun since the mothers are remarried and continue to "live the life to which they were accustomed to."

It's really f*cked up.

Child Support is needed and sometimes the courts do need to get involved. There are times when its best for the man to make payments through the courts so that its being tracked.


With all of that said, if you are the custodial parent, man up. Both parties have to take full responsibility for the consequences of the situation. I had a child by a irresponsible fool. I was blessed to have a village of family and friends to help me with babysitting and support but I had to man up. I had to make it happen. No matter the circumstance, there is a solution.

To be honest, there are way too many women who are upset about the relationship ending than the parental situation of the child. My daughter's father paid child support off and on but NEVER spent time with is daughter. Children need food, clothing, etc but they need their parents. We have to stop trying to hurt each other in the courts because the relationship ended sourly.


Child support is needed. Not all women are out to get men through the system but just need help in supporting the child(ren).

TheResurrection said:

If at all possible, try to work out something fair for the best interest of the child. Lawyers and courts only create more tension and waste alot of time and money. I know from experience.
Of course in extreme situations where there is abuse or abandonment, the courts may be the only way.....

PurpleJedi said:

TheResurrection said:

Child Support is needed and sometimes the courts do need to get involved. There are times when its best for the man to make payments through the courts so that its being tracked.


With all of that said, if you are the custodial parent, man up. Both parties have to take full responsibility for the consequences of the situation. I had a child by a irresponsible fool. I was blessed to have a village of family and friends to help me with babysitting and support but I had to man up. I had to make it happen. No matter the circumstance, there is a solution.

To be honest, there are way too many women who are upset about the relationship ending than the parental situation of the child. My daughter's father paid child support off and on but NEVER spent time with is daughter. Children need food, clothing, etc but they need their parents. We have to stop trying to hurt each other in the courts because the relationship ended sourly.


Child support is needed. Not all women are out to get men through the system but just need help in supporting the child(ren).

I know someone who was getting child support under a verbal agreement, then when the father married (someone else) she filed papers in court.

He got pissed off and hasn't had anything to do with his (now) 8 year old son for over 2 years now.

Yeah.....I know a dude who really wanted to get married and this woman could smell him from a mile away. She had a kid with him because her other kids were approaching 18 and the gravy-train was about to run dry.

Wouldn't you know it, the divorce came and now she gets another 18 yrs of child support without having to work. Plus she is already with a new guy. So yeah, the system needs to protect fathers a little more. But that is natural I guess, since the system was started to protect mothers.