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Reincarnation: does it really happen? http://www.fox8.com/wjw-r...0900.story
*An act of love that fails is just as much a part of the divine life as an act of love that succeeds, for love is measured by fullness, not by reception.* - *Love is never lost. If not reciprocated, it will flow back and soften and purify the heart.* | |
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benni said: http://www.fox8.com/wjw-reincarnation-txt%2C0%2C1190900.story
Watch the video of this 11 year old boy who began having nightmares and dreams and was able to give intimate details about another life which were verified. Yeah, I posted on that too. Interesting story. http://prince.org/msg/100/310619 Second Funkiest White Man in America   It sure is nice having adults running our government now | |
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I do believe. | |
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Nope. Can't get in to that. If you're not doing the fucking, then you're taking one. | |
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Um, no. First off, ask yourself why almost no kids outside of those cultures that have believed in reincarnation for centuries experiences the so-called signs of reincarnation: naming people from other families in a nearby village, for example. That must mean he was once in that family!
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First of all, the mathematics dont add up. I mean do just some get reincarnated? cause the math just does not work.  | |
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eugnj420 said: Um, no. First off, ask yourself why almost no kids outside of those cultures that have believed in reincarnation for centuries experiences the so-called signs of reincarnation: naming people from other families in a nearby village, for example. That must mean he was once in that family!
In cultures not raised on reincarnation, cases are virtually unheard of. How come kids in Kansas or Toronto or Auckland don't have these "symptoms" at anything like the rates in India, if at all? Sceondly, even in India, there are a good number of cases where a poor family claims that their child is reincarnated from someone in a rich family...how convenient, if you happen to be looking for a cash donation from said family to help you raise their reincarnated little one. Sorry, but like the whole of western religion, the theory of reincarnation in the East in the end is nothing more than silly hokum. I can understand that and respect that. However, the child in the video is from the states and his family never believed in reincarnation at all. However, the child was able to name names of people he had never met, was able to give intimate details about this man's death, even knew the names of the man's sisters. He also knew that this woman's mother had painted a picture of his sister Annie, but not of the sister Ruth. There were details he gave that he could not have known, unless he had known this family, and he didn't know this family. He also called other members of the squadron by name when he met them without being introduced to them, and could not have known their names. There is a time when coincidence stops being coincidence. *An act of love that fails is just as much a part of the divine life as an act of love that succeeds, for love is measured by fullness, not by reception.* - *Love is never lost. If not reciprocated, it will flow back and soften and purify the heart.* | |
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benni said: eugnj420 said: Um, no. First off, ask yourself why almost no kids outside of those cultures that have believed in reincarnation for centuries experiences the so-called signs of reincarnation: naming people from other families in a nearby village, for example. That must mean he was once in that family!
In cultures not raised on reincarnation, cases are virtually unheard of. How come kids in Kansas or Toronto or Auckland don't have these "symptoms" at anything like the rates in India, if at all? Sceondly, even in India, there are a good number of cases where a poor family claims that their child is reincarnated from someone in a rich family...how convenient, if you happen to be looking for a cash donation from said family to help you raise their reincarnated little one. Sorry, but like the whole of western religion, the theory of reincarnation in the East in the end is nothing more than silly hokum. I can understand that and respect that. However, the child in the video is from the states and his family never believed in reincarnation at all. However, the child was able to name names of people he had never met, was able to give intimate details about this man's death, even knew the names of the man's sisters. He also knew that this woman's mother had painted a picture of his sister Annie, but not of the sister Ruth. There were details he gave that he could not have known, unless he had known this family, and he didn't know this family. He also called other members of the squadron by name when he met them without being introduced to them, and could not have known their names. There is a time when coincidence stops being coincidence. I wonder if this kid is related to Criss angel?  If you're not doing the fucking, then you're taking one. | |
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very interesting it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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No. I don't believe in reincarnation.
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benni said: eugnj420 said: Um, no. First off, ask yourself why almost no kids outside of those cultures that have believed in reincarnation for centuries experiences the so-called signs of reincarnation: naming people from other families in a nearby village, for example. That must mean he was once in that family!
In cultures not raised on reincarnation, cases are virtually unheard of. How come kids in Kansas or Toronto or Auckland don't have these "symptoms" at anything like the rates in India, if at all? Sceondly, even in India, there are a good number of cases where a poor family claims that their child is reincarnated from someone in a rich family...how convenient, if you happen to be looking for a cash donation from said family to help you raise their reincarnated little one. Sorry, but like the whole of western religion, the theory of reincarnation in the East in the end is nothing more than silly hokum. I can understand that and respect that. However, the child in the video is from the states and his family never believed in reincarnation at all. However, the child was able to name names of people he had never met, was able to give intimate details about this man's death, even knew the names of the man's sisters. He also knew that this woman's mother had painted a picture of his sister Annie, but not of the sister Ruth. There were details he gave that he could not have known, unless he had known this family, and he didn't know this family. He also called other members of the squadron by name when he met them without being introduced to them, and could not have known their names. There is a time when coincidence stops being coincidence. It is also written that in the last days there will be false prophets, and instances of signs and miracles that will fool some people, and even the elect if that were possible. | |
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Clevelandgirl said: No. I don't believe in reincarnation.
It is written, that all man/woman is sentenced once to die because of the sin created after Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden. If one accepts Christ as their personal Saviour then eternal life is promised with The Lord for those who endure in this life. It is written, once to die but when Christ returns the dead in Christ will rise up first and those alive will meet The Lord Jesus in the twinkling of an eye will be gathered to be with Him forever. Reincarnation is the belief of many lives dying and then being born again and again. What torment that would be! It is not of God. Krisna says: Arjuna, is this hour of battle the time for scruples and fancies? Are they worthy of you, who seek enlightenment? Any brave man who merely hopes for fame or heaven would despise them. What is this weakness? It is beneath you. Is it for nothing men call you the Foe-Consumer? Shake off this cowardice, Arjuna. Stand up. But your sorrow is for nothing, Arjuna. You grieve for those beyond grief, and you speak words of insight; but learned men do not grieve for the dead or the living. Never have I not existed, nor you, nor these kings; and never in the future shall we cease to exist. Just as the embodied Atman enters childhood, youth, and old age, so does it enter another body; this does not confound a steadfast man. Contacts with matter make us feel heat and cold, pleasure and pain. Arjuna, you must learn to endure fleeting things--they come and go! When these cannot torment a man, when suffering and joy are equal for him and he has courage, he is fit for immortality. Nothing of nonbeing comes to be, nor does being cease to exist; the boundary between these two is seen by men who see reality. Indestructible is the presence that pervades all this; no one can destroy this unchanging reality. Our bodies are known to end, but the embodied Atman is enduring, indestructible, and immeasurable; therefore, Arjuna, fight the battle! He who thinks this Atman a killer and he who thinks it killed both fail to understand; it does not kill, nor is it killed. It is not born, it does not die having been, it will never not be; unborn, enduring, constant, and primordial, it is not killed when the body is killed. Arjuna, when a man knows the Atman to be indestructible, enduring, unborn, unchanging, how does he kill or cause anyone to kill? As a man discards worn-out clothes to put on new and different ones, so the embodied Atman discards its worn-out bodies to take on other new ones. Weapons do not cut it, fire does not burn it, waters do not wet it, wind does not wither it. It cannot be cut or burned; it cannot be wet or withered; it is enduring, all pervasive, fixed, immovable, and timeless. It is called unmanifest, inconceivable, and immutable; since you know that to be so, you should not grieve! If you think of its birth and death as ever-recurring, then too, Great Warrior, you have no cause to grieve! Death is certain for anyone born, and birth is certain for the dead; since the cycle is inevitable, you have no cause to grieve! Creatures are unmanifest in origin, manifest in the midst of life, and unmanifest again in the end. Since this is so, why do you lament? Rarely someone sees it, rarely another speaks it, rarely anyone hears it-- even hearing it, no one really knows it. The Atmanembodied in the body of every being is indestructible; you have no cause to grieve for all these creatures, Arjuna! Look to your own duty; do not tremble before it; nothing is better for a warrior than a battle of sacred duty. The doors of heaven open for warriors who rejoice to have a battle like this thrust on them by chance. If you fail to wage this war of sacred duty, you will abandon your own duty and fame only to gain evil. People will tell of your undying shame, and for a man of honor shame is worse than death. The great chariot warriors will think you deserted in fear of battle; you will be despised by those who held you in esteem. Your enemies will slander you, scorning your skill in so many unspeakable ways-- could any suffering be worse? If you are killed, you win heaven; if you triumph, you enjoy the earth; therefore, Arjuna, stand up and resolve to fight the battle! it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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Clevelandgirl said: No. I don't believe in reincarnation.
It is written, that all man/woman is sentenced once to die because of the sin created after Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden. If one accepts Christ as their personal Saviour then eternal life is promised with The Lord for those who endure in this life. It is written, once to die but when Christ returns the dead in Christ will rise up first and those alive will meet The Lord Jesus in the twinkling of an eye will be gathered to be with Him forever. Reincarnation is the belief of many lives dying and then being born again and again. What torment that would be! It is not of God. It was torment reading this post. C:\Otaassk~.exe Oh dear lawd, life is strange. vivid is my new boo!  
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According to Hebrews 9:27, "It is appointed for a man to die once, after this the Judgment." Party over...out of time! | |
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Copycat said: According to Hebrews 9:27, "It is appointed for a man to die once, after this the Judgment." Party over...out of time!
did you not read what the Svayam Bhagavan said? it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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Indeed I did, and dismissed it as utter nonsense. | |
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Copycat said: Indeed I did, and dismissed it as utter nonsense.
that's funny cause i did the same thing to the bible. it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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Fine by me. It's pointless to argue over an issue so complex as to one's faith. | |
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Copycat said: Fine by me. It's pointless to argue over an issue so complex as to one's faith.
much like Clevelandgirl you post came across like your way was the only way was the only and all the rest are wrong. i would respect Religious people more if they would just state what they personally believe instead of stating it as a fact, because the only to prove you are right or wrong is to transition on to the next. it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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I truly DO NOT believe in reincarnation...and that's a fact! | |
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Copycat said: I truly DO NOT believe in reincarnation...and that's a fact!
 i can give you that. it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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This thread is great. Nothing funnier than religious people calling each others beliefs utter nonsense without a sembalnce of irony. Keep going please... "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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"Religious people". Stop it! You're making me laugh. | |
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razor said: This thread is great. Nothing funnier than religious people calling each others beliefs utter nonsense without a sembalnce of irony. Keep going please...
be gone until you reply to the videos i found for you. it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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ehuffnsd said: razor said: This thread is great. Nothing funnier than religious people calling each others beliefs utter nonsense without a sembalnce of irony. Keep going please...
be gone until you reply to the videos i found for you.  You made a similar point to be fair, about the ridiculous sight of seeing the various faiths argue with each other. You came at it from the angle of neither insisting they are right and the other wrong, I came at it from the angle of neither seeing the irony of viewing each others beliefs as nonsence yet applying no such critical thinking to their own.
Anyway...Yep, I'll watch your vids. [Edited 6/15/09 3:04am] "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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Copycat said: According to Hebrews 9:27, "It is appointed for a man to die once, after this the Judgment." Party over...out of time!
So when Jesus brought Lazarus back to life, Lazarus continues to live? Afterall, he had already died once. And in Biblical times, reincarnation was believed in. If you recall, many were asking Jesus if he was a prophet that had "returned", one that had previously died. Also, Jesus stated that John the Baptist was "Elijah returned again". And the disciples asked him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"
But he answered them and said, "Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand." Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matt. 17:10-13) For all the prophets and the law have prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come. (Matt. 11:13-14)
And even in the foretelling of the coming of the Messiah, it was stated that Elijah would return, not someone like him, not someone in the same ministry as Elijah, but Elijah himself would return: Behold I will send you Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. (Mal. 4:5) And other Biblical proof that reincarnation was believed in during Biblical times: Now Herod the tetrarch heard about all that was going on. And he was perplexed, because some were saying that John had been raised from the dead, others that Elijah had appeared, and still others that one of the prophets of long ago had come back to life. (Luke 9:7-8)
When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets." (Matt. 16:13-14) And note that in each of these instances, no where does anyone deny that reincarnation does not exist. In fact, it shows that reincarnation was believed in. Jesus never did deny that it was impossible for "one of the prophets" or "Jeremiah" or "Elijah" to come again. He proclaimed that Elijah had come again.  Just a few thoughts on this.*An act of love that fails is just as much a part of the divine life as an act of love that succeeds, for love is measured by fullness, not by reception.* - *Love is never lost. If not reciprocated, it will flow back and soften and purify the heart.* | |
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benni said: Copycat said: According to Hebrews 9:27, "It is appointed for a man to die once, after this the Judgment." Party over...out of time!
So when Jesus brought Lazarus back to life, Lazarus continues to live? Afterall, he had already died once. And in Biblical times, reincarnation was believed in. If you recall, many were asking Jesus if he was a prophet that had "returned", one that had previously died. Also, Jesus stated that John the Baptist was "Elijah returned again". When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"
They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets." (Matt. 16:13-14) And note that in each of these instances, no where does anyone deny that reincarnation does not exist. In fact, it shows that reincarnation was believed in. Jesus never did deny that it was impossible for "one of the prophets" or "Jeremiah" or "Elijah" to come again. He proclaimed that Elijah had come again. Just a few thoughts on this.Before you've mentioned these scriptures of Jesus and Elijah, I've always questioned the possibility of reincarnation, but then explain Hebrews 9:27 because I hope there's no contradiction, whatsoever. |
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angel345 said: benni said: And note that in each of these instances, no where does anyone deny that reincarnation does not exist. In fact, it shows that reincarnation was believed in. Jesus never did deny that it was impossible for "one of the prophets" or "Jeremiah" or "Elijah" to come again. He proclaimed that Elijah had come again. Just a few thoughts on this.Before you've mentioned these scriptures of Jesus and Elijah, I've always questioned the possibility of reincarnation, but then explain Hebrews 9:27 because I hope there's no contradiction, whatsoever. If one reads Hebrews 9:27 in context with the rest of the chapter, what is being discussed isn't necessarily that man only dies once, but whether Jesus had to die more than once for the sins of man. In previous verses it is discussing the sacrifices that must be made going into the tabernacle. So this chapter is discussing the sacrifice that Jesus made for mankind. Also in the previous verses it states that only the High Priest could go into the second tabernacle annually, to make a blood sacrifice for the people. So the verse is in essence stating that Jesus did not have to be sacrificed over and over again, but that he only had to die once, the sacrifice only had to be made the one time. 24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. One can see by the other verses that it is talking about Christ and whether more than one sacrifice would need to be made. Also, if one were to examine more Bible verses: "Jesus said to her, "Your brother will rise again." Martha answered, "I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day." Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?" (John 11:23-26) Here Martha believes her brother will rise again with the resurrection (at some time later in the future when all are arisen again) but Jesus corrects her and tells her HE is the resurrection (present tense) and states that if one believes in him, even though they die, they will live again, and that "whoever lives and believes in me will never die." So if we are to look at Hebrews 9:27, in which it states man is appointed to die only once, here Jesus says that whoever lives and believes in him will never die. So are we then to assume that we have millions of people who will never die (since there are millions of Christians who believe in Jesus)? Also, we must distinguish who we are. If we claim to be this body, then yes, this body can only die once. However, it is not the body, the memories, the personality, etc that is reincarnated. It is the "spirit". Therefore, Hebrews 9:27 would not be in error to say "a man" is appointed to only die once. And Jesus would not be in error to say "he who believes in me will never die", for "a man" would be referencing the body, while Jesus was referencing "the spirit". *An act of love that fails is just as much a part of the divine life as an act of love that succeeds, for love is measured by fullness, not by reception.* - *Love is never lost. If not reciprocated, it will flow back and soften and purify the heart.* | |
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cool. yes I believe 
it took me a long time to even want to think about it but I do now.
