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What a brave, brave man...

http://www.nationalpost.c...id=1629449

Kevin Libin, National Post
Published: Monday, May 25, 2009



Lawrence Hughes abandoned his Jehovah’s Witness faith to fight for a blood transfusion for his daughter, Bethany, who had acute myeloid leukemia.


Legal judgments can sometimes wear disguises. What appears to be a loss - as did, at first blush, the ruling on Monday dismissing Lawrence Hughes' appeal of a lawsuit against the Canadian branch of Jehovah's Witnesses - may, in fact, offer subtle victory.

That, at least, is Mr. Hughes' impression, as he continues doggedly, nearly seven years after the death of his daughter, Bethany, to hold the sect's governing Watchtower Society and its lawyers responsible for her death. "I see it as a win," he said yesterday.

For a man who has lost his daughter, been shunned by his surviving children, divorced by his wife and gone bankrupt from legal costs, reduced to defending himself in court, the instinct to imagine the smallest of triumphs must be powerful.

But Mr. Hughes is not just thinking wishfully. Legal scholars following the case sense, too, that in their ruling dismissing Mr. Hughes' appeals of a lower court ruling, three higher court justices appear to have secreted within what could be worrying setbacks for this legally aggressive sect accustomed to mobilizing the courts to block members from receiving life-saving transfusions against their family's or doctor's advice.

"To me, what is significant in this judgment is what it does not say, more than what it says," says Alice Woolley, a legal ethicist at the University of Calgary.

What it most clearly does not say is that Mr. Hughes is necessarily wrong in claiming that his daughter received problematic advice from lawyers working not just for her, but also for a religious body intent on seeing her denied the blood she needed. "If I was advising [the Watchtower Society and its lawyers] I would now say, ‘At some point, this is no longer going to work out for you,' " Ms. Woolley says.

When Bethany Hughes died in the summer of 2002, her story was national news; the girl, just turned 17, had been diagnosed earlier that year with acute myeloid leukemia, but had fought, legally and physically, blood transfusions prescribed by doctors on religious grounds, her resistance abetted by lawyers from a firm that, by all available evidence, is a branch of the Watchtower Society itself, retaining the church as its primary client - a "captive law firm" as one judge described Glen How and Associates, employer of Bethany's lawyers David Gnam and Shane Brady. The firm is even located within the Watchtower Society's Georgetown, Ont. compound.

This appeared to present potential conflict between the Church's interests - promoting its belief that the Book of Acts prohibits transfusions - and the unique interests of a sick girl.

The sect's lawyers, her devout mother, the "hospital liaisons" sent by the society to stay constantly at Bethany's bedside, all, one judge ruled as Bethany lay ill, had persuaded her with "incorrect information," put "undue influence" on the girl, clouding her ability to independently make decisions.

The court awarded guardianship over the minor to the province and the transfusions proceeded, 80 of them, despite Bethany's attempts, and her mother's, to tear intravenous tubes from her body. When Bethany's prognosis deteriorated, the province surrendered its guardianship. The girl was spirited by her mother, lawyers and liaisons from Calgary's children's hospital to a secret location concealed from her father. She died several weeks later at Edmonton's Cross Cancer Institute where doctors administered experimental treatments of arsenic and vitamin C.

Mr. Hughes had abandoned his Jehovah's Witness faith to fight for transfusions, refusing to allow his teenage daughter to martyr herself for religion. This made him, under Church rules, an outcast: his wife, his other two daughters, his friends, all shunned him. He has come to refer to the Church as a "cult"; his daughter, he says, was the victim of implicit threats of social and familial ostracism - "disfellowship" they call it. "If you accept the blood transfusion, you lose your family, your friends," Mr. Hughes says. "It's like someone standing there with a gun to your head."

For a child, told, as the court found, by the believers around her that the transfusions were both sinful and harmful, the choice to resist would seem overwhelming.

He believes Bethany's resistance made her sicker, and prevented her the comfort of palliative care in her last days. It was the Church, and its lawyers, Mr. Hughes believes, that caused his daughter to die unnecessarily and in avoidable suffering.

The courts have been wary of this: religious liberties are not something judges eagerly wade into. And the fact that Bethany did eventually get court-ordered transfusions was enough, in the appeal court's eyes, to show, whatever advice she got from believers about blood had caused "no harm," upholding last year's lower court ruling to that effect by Justice Alan Macleod.

But Justice Macleod had been firm, also, in his belief that Bethany's lawyers were not conflicted. The appeal judges noticeably stopped short of endorsing this. "It is not necessary for us to decide whether the claims of conflict or misrepresentation were arguable," they wrote, putting the question aside. "This is conspicuous," Ms. Woolley says. "I think if they thought Macleod was right, they would have pronounced on it."

Mr. Gnam and Mr. Brady, she believes, are far from absolved of perceptions of improper representation. For a church used to aggressive legal manoeuvring - the two lawyers have travelled Canada over the years fighting to stop Jehovah's Witnesses from getting blood, suing all the way to the Supreme Court - this cannot be a welcome development.

This may seem minor, but not to Mr. Hughes. Nor was it the only news that had him smiling brightly yesterday as he leafed through an appeals judgment littered with the phrase "dismissed." In addition to now-thrown-out claims over the resistance to blood transfusions, he seeks $1-million in damages caused by the peculiar arsenic treatment that was administered to Bethany after she left Calgary - a treatment he claims was demanded by Bethany and her lawyers.

The courts, having already questioned the reliability of this coterie's advice to this minor, the hospital, he says, should not have complied. "I was her guardian [too]," Mr. Hughes, says. "They should have called me."

Pat Peacock, the Calgary lawyer representing Mr. Gnam and Mr. Brady, had asked the appeals court to dismiss this case against his clients, too. The judges refused.

That, Mr. Hughes believes, leaves him opportunity to do what he has sought all along: to demonstrate in court that hospitals must be more circumspect in accepting instruction from religious leaders and believers when treating Jehovah's Witnesses. "The Watchtower Society are still in the lawsuit, so that means I can still bring forth expert testimony and evidence [that] when it comes to the issue of consent, I can show through evidence that the involvement of the religious defendants removed [Bethany's] consent."

That could well put the behaviour and direction of Bethany's lawyers in the spotlight, says Juliet Guichon, who teaches law and medical ethics at the University of Calgary.

When the lawyers and Watchtower guardians delivered Bethany to Edmonton, to a new group of doctors potentially unfamiliar with the complex and troubling legal issues surrounding her case, "if the doctors have engaged in any wrongdoing, it's possible that these Watchtower Society people will be found party to it," she says.

That remains to be seen. Mr. Hughes envisions his case making a big enough impact in the medical and legal communities that it will end what he believes are ongoing and widspread legal injustices against patients like Bethany: Jehovah's Witnesses lacking a secular, independent advocate, pressured to accept a potentially deadly anti-blood doctrine.

Till now, Mr. Hughes has had to accept only minor victories, and no shortage of losses. After so many years and sacrifices, perhaps he has little choice but to convince himself that his biggest legal triumph is yet to come.



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Reply #1 posted 05/28/09 3:16am

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noimageatall said:



What a brave brave man.




Agreed. It really is tragic that so many people worldwide are under the influence of this nefarious organisation. They are of course not the only such organisation. Probably not even the worst example. But a terribly abusive regime non the less.

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Reply #2 posted 05/28/09 8:42am

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I've been following this from the beginning.
He is truly a David fighting the Goliath battalion of Watchtower lawyers.

I hope he wins this round

Sad, sad situation.
You know, if the WTS was consistent with their blood policy, I could somewhat see their point, but they are wishy washy, allowing some blood fractions but denying others quite arbitrarily.

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Reply #3 posted 05/28/09 9:12am

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Mr Hughes had every right to have a say in his daughter's treatment.

For the rest of the family to not allow him to say goodbye is one of the most unloving things I have ever read.Unfortunately this is not rare.

"You will know them by the love they show" NOT

What would Jesus do? Banish a father from his dying child? Unthinkable.
[Edited 5/28/09 9:37am]

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razor said:

noimageatall said:



What a brave brave man.




Agreed. It really is tragic that so many people worldwide are under the influence of this nefarious organisation. They are of course not the only such organisation. Probably not even the worst example. But a terribly abusive regime non the less.

Sad that it took me 20 years to figure out they are just like all the rest. Although I think they may be worse because of all the people who have needlessly died because of this blood law. Most other religions have at least evolved to a point where they don't require a sacrifice, yet JWS refuse to let go of this ridiculous man-made rule. Funny how they can change any other law at the drop of a hat, yet this one keeps killing and killing...disbelief

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shellyevon said:

I've been following this from the beginning.
He is truly a David fighting the Goliath battalion of Watchtower lawyers.

I hope he wins this round

Sad, sad situation.
You know, if the WTS was consistent with their blood policy, I could somewhat see their point, but they are wishy washy, allowing some blood fractions but denying others quite arbitrarily.

That's the truly sad part...so many people...mothers, fathers, sisters, sons, brothers, daughters...needlessly dead and then the rules change. It is criminal to me.

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Reply #6 posted 05/28/09 1:22pm

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Unbelievably sad. disbelief

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Reply #7 posted 05/28/09 1:48pm

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noimageatall said:

Lawrence Hughes abandoned his Jehovah’s Witness faith to fight for a blood transfusion for his daughter, Bethany, who had acute myeloid leukemia.


Honey, it wouldn't take nothing as drastic as a blood transfusion to make me abandon the Jehovah's Witnesses if I was one of them. All it would take is a beer, a cigarette, and a dick and I'd tell the JW's to kiss my ass. lol

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Reply #8 posted 05/28/09 1:56pm

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He is sooo going to Hell biggrin . Don't the Jehovahs still have a cap on how many of us are actually going to Heaven? Something like 100,000?

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vainandy said:

noimageatall said:

Lawrence Hughes abandoned his Jehovah’s Witness faith to fight for a blood transfusion for his daughter, Bethany, who had acute myeloid leukemia.


Honey, it wouldn't take nothing as drastic as a blood transfusion to make me abandon the Jehovah's Witnesses if I was one of them. All it would take is a beer, a cigarette, and a dick and I'd tell the JW's to kiss my ass. lol

Ok, vain...it IS you who is the antichrist! evillol lol hug I love ya!

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this whole notion of excommunication is nothing more than terrorism.

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Reply #11 posted 05/28/09 2:04pm

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For a man who has lost his daughter, been shunned by his surviving children, divorced by his wife and gone bankrupt from legal costs, reduced to defending himself in court, the instinct to imagine the smallest of triumphs must be powerful.


He lost everything but his integrity... sad

Very apropos for your sig, jelly...

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Reply #12 posted 05/28/09 4:48pm

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razor said:



Agreed. It really is tragic that so many people worldwide are under the influence of this nefarious organisation. They are of course not the only such organisation. Probably not even the worst example. But a terribly abusive regime non the less.

Sad that it took me 20 years to figure out they are just like all the rest. Although I think they may be worse because of all the people who have needlessly died because of this blood law. Most other religions have at least evolved to a point where they don't require a sacrifice, yet JWS refuse to let go of this ridiculous man-made rule. Funny how they can change any other law at the drop of a hat, yet this one keeps killing and killing...disbelief


It's clear you regret those 20 years. But the courage to think for yourself and break away is an acheivement of the stature most will never reach in alifetime. Rest of your life ahead of you as a result. Be proud not regretful.
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razor said:

noimageatall said:


Sad that it took me 20 years to figure out they are just like all the rest. Although I think they may be worse because of all the people who have needlessly died because of this blood law. Most other religions have at least evolved to a point where they don't require a sacrifice, yet JWS refuse to let go of this ridiculous man-made rule. Funny how they can change any other law at the drop of a hat, yet this one keeps killing and killing...disbelief


It's clear you regret those 20 years. But the courage to think for yourself and break away is an acheivement of the stature most will never reach in alifetime. Rest of your life ahead of you as a result. Be proud not regretful.
[Edited 5/28/09 16:54pm]

And if we could all do that...what a better world this might be.

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Reply #14 posted 05/29/09 1:17am

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This appeared to present potential conflict between the Church's interests - promoting its belief that the Book of Acts prohibits transfusions - and the unique interests of a sick girl.


There is no question which should prevail.

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Reply #15 posted 05/29/09 1:55am

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razor said:



It's clear you regret those 20 years. But the courage to think for yourself and break away is an acheivement of the stature most will never reach in alifetime. Rest of your life ahead of you as a result. Be proud not regretful.
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And if we could all do that...what a better world this might be.

hug


Absolutely.

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Okay I read the story. If taking a blood transfusion is a Witness' choice, how did this go this far? Because his wife didn't want it and he did? Can someone break this down for me?

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http://www.nationalpost.c...id=1637102
Did Bethany have a choice?

The father of a Jehovah's Witness who lost her life after refusing a blood transfusion is fighting back

Juliet Guichon And Ian Mitchell, National Post

Thursday, May 28, 2009

On Monday, the Alberta Court of Appeal required two cancer physicians and Edmonton's Cross Cancer Centre to defend the manner in which they cared for the leukemia-stricken teenager of a Jehovah's Witness family. Importantly, the court examined whether the Watchtower Society, the main legal entity used by Jehovah's Witnesses, should be held accountable for obstruction of proper medical treatment.

This saga began in the winter of 2002, when a 16-year-old Calgarian, Bethany Hughes, urgently required a blood transfusion. Bethany and her mother refused because they adhered to the Watchtower Society's blood ban. With Bethany's death approaching, an Alberta court granted an order requiring blood transfusion, and Bethany subsequently received lengthy chemotherapy and supportive blood transfusion.

In June, 2002, Child Welfare released Bethany from its care. The girl's father, Lawrence Hughes, alleges in court documents that the society then took Bethany from Calgary without telling him; limited her treatment options at the Cross Cancer Centre so that she did not receive the best available therapeutic and palliative care; and refused to disclose Bethany's location until after her death two months later.

Mr. Hughes, who had refused to accept the society's Biblical interpretation regarding blood transfusion, contends that the religious lawyers (who are also priests) were instrumental in this rupture of his family's private life.

The Watchtower Society, a highly litigious organization, has brought numerous legal motions in an apparent effort to prevent the father's case from being heard on its merits. The organization even threatened Mr. Hughes's lawyer personally by applying for an award of court costs to be paid by the lawyer himself. Though unsuccessful, such demands have since made it almost impossible for Mr. Hughes to find legal counsel.

After a hearing two weeks ago, at which Mr. Hughes represented himself against not just lawyers but a lawyer for the lawyers, the court on Monday permitted Mr. Hughes to proceed on the essential issues:Who authorized the medical treatment? And was the treatment negligent?

The Watchtower Society has argued that either the teenager or her mother gave informed consent to the Cross's treatment. But the very heart of Mr. Hughes's claim is that no one, least of all Bethany, could have known what Bethany wanted.

This is because, in April, 2002, a judge had emphatically ruled that Bethany no longer had a free, informed will. The judge lamented the "pressures and influences that have been brought to bear on her in the last few weeks to maintain her position on blood transfusions." Even though Bethany was gravely ill, the court held that religious adherents had prevented Bethany from being "allowed to look death in the face." The court said that Bethany was the subject of "undue influence" that "has taken away her ability to make an informed choice."

The judge further cautioned authorities about Bethany's future care, and advised them "to be mindful of the pressures that are and may continue to be placed upon her."

Such pressure is familiar to doctors. Many physicians have told us that they realize patients associated with the Watchtower Society have only two choices: Accept blood and lose family and friends, or refuse blood and risk their lives. These physicians have also said that they fear Watchtower Society litigation if they transfuse a religious patient who needs blood.

Now, the physicians and the Cross Cancer Centre are likely to be asked in court what they did to protect Bethany from such undue pressure; and why they did not seek consent for medical treatment from the one family member who resisted Watchtower Society pressure: her father.

In a lonely and courageous battle, Mr. Hughes has successfully forced the courts to hold the Watchtower Society and medical defendants accountable for their actions. But whether an unrepresented, bereaved and shunned father's lawsuit will be successful remains to be seen.

No matter the outcome for Mr. Hughes, judicial guidance is sorely needed now that physicians are facing litigation on both sides -- from those who wish religious compliance and from one litigant who objects to religious intrusion in medical choice. The actions of the Watchtower Society are dangerous and costly; when a patient who needs blood is from a Jehovah's Witness family, a disproportionate amount of physician time and publicly funded hospital and court effort are consumed.

Most health care providers wish to honour patients' authentic religious beliefs. But undue religious pressure on patients and their caregivers may make it almost impossible to know and act upon what a patient truly wants.

In Watchtower Society cases, medical professionals desperately need the help of new and clearer law to give medical care consistent with their patients' interests, desires and beliefs.

-Dr. Juliet Guichon holds a doctorate in law and is senior associate inthe Office of Medical Bioethics at the University of Calgary. Dr. Ian Mitchell is a professor of paediatrics and bioethics at the University of Calgary.

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Reply #18 posted 05/29/09 6:15am

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Okay I read the story. If taking a blood transfusion is a Witness' choice, how did this go this far? Because his wife didn't want it and he did? Can someone break this down for me?


I can. I knew Bethany via a now-defunct message board back in '02. She would post when feeling well enough. I've gotta run but I'll post more about this sad experience later.

Peace, U.

Interesting essay in the meantime: http://www.megaessays.com...98608.html
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Go to the source: www.watchtower.org

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Reply #19 posted 05/29/09 10:55am

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I wish Kingdom Hall could be litigated into decency.

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Reply #20 posted 05/29/09 1:51pm

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What a nice world it would be if EVERYONE submitted to an irreproachable standard of decency! It couldn't be litigated because "decency" is a quality of the heart. And since such standards are incredibly subjective, someone is bound to feel put upon. Just a quick glance at topics here on the Org reveal that standards of what's decent and what's not vary greatly. Personally, I think it's incredibly INdecent to refer to this unfaithful father as brave at the expense of the suffering he put his daughter and family through -- but that's just me. Integrity, my foot. confused

Some things to consider, however, when reviewing this particular case:

Bethany Hughes was 17 years old, considered a 'mature minor'. That's not a wild stretch; if a person can drive a car and hold down a little job at that age, it's not too much to believe that they are capable of making and being responsible for rather major decisions. Jehovah's Witnesses know full well the importance of holding to the command issued to Christians at Acts 15:28, 29 about abstaining from blood. Throughout Bethany's life, she'd been taught that and had accepted it.

Bethany was taught that principle (among others) by her mother AND her father. Imagine her dismay when her father suddenly encouraged her to break her integrity in that regard! Our obedience to Biblical commands are not only during the good times, which he likely taught her. I can't imagine how heart-breaking it must have been to have to use energy not only fighting this horrible disease, non-cooperative hospital staff and the courts, but also the attitudes and actions of the one man who should have been supporting her thru this. sad She truly did not need that stress.

Acute myeloid leukemia is a particularly virulent cancer. It has a 33% survival rate (67% do not). In Bethany's case, it was very fast moving; she was debilitated very quickly. No matter what anyone did, she was not going to survive this. In such cases, it's not unusual for a person Bethany's age to decide what treatment to allow or disallow, if it's only going to prolong the inevitable.

PLEASE NOTE: The articles posted above inform us that this young lady DID receive over 80 transfusions. They did NO good. They DIDN'T work. All that happened is that Bethany's integrity, free will and physical body was violated and her father approved. disbelief

I've never yet had anyone defend what should be done if a person who has blood forced upon them against their will develops some other complication: HIV/AIDS, hepatitis, infection, etc? Who will be responsible for that outcome? Will the hospital be liable? Somehow, I think not . . .

Canada is notorious for giving Witnesses a hard time regarding the blood issue. Despite the plethora of information and skilled doctors/hospitals available, they do not avail themselves of it nor do they tend to allow patients to come to the US for treatment. Not cool.

Although I cannot speak to the alternative treatment Mrs. Hughes sought for her daughter, something containing arsenic seems suspect to me. In both articles, there are expressions that are incorrect in describing our beliefs and terminology (we don't have 'priests' for one thing), things just a little research would correct.

Like the essay in the link I posted, people of Bethany's age are allowed to make serious decisions about their lives. I wonder if she were pregnant and either forced to bear the child or forced to have an abortion because:

But the very heart of Mr. Hughes's claim is that no one, least of all Bethany, could have known what Bethany wanted.

This is because, in April, 2002, a judge had emphatically ruled that Bethany no longer had a free, informed will. The judge lamented the "pressures and influences that have been brought to bear on her in the last few weeks to maintain her position on blood transfusions." Even though Bethany was gravely ill, the court held that religious adherents had prevented Bethany from being "allowed to look death in the face." The court said that Bethany was the subject of "undue influence" that "has taken away her ability to make an informed choice."


People would be all up in arms. rolleyes

Being pregnant is a big deal. Women can and do die as a result of bearing a child OR abortions but people on this board argue right to choose to the death. I fail to see the difference in decision-making abilities. shrug

Mr. Hughes and the Canadian government persecuted this poor girl and robbed her of any peace she may have had while coming to grips with her sadly shortened life expectancy. For her father to continue this nonsense over seven years later is simply pathetic, IMO. confused

Bethany was the brave, brave one. rose At least she is now sleeping peacefully, waiting to be called from her memorial tomb. To be welcomed back by her family into a world where no one will say, "I am sick" any longer. smile (John 5:28, Isaiah 33:24, Revelation 22:3, 4)

That's the hope that sustained her through all her trials and I am looking forward to meeting my brave sister at that time. nod

Go to the source: www.watchtower.org

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Reply #21 posted 05/29/09 2:53pm

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This ridiculous man made edict turns otherwise heartfelt individuals into savages.

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Not man-made; however, believe as you wish.

I agree that Hughes became a savage rather than truly see what he was doing to his dying daughter. cry

Go to the source: www.watchtower.org

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Uhope said:

Not man-made; however, believe as you wish.

I agree that Hughes became a savage rather than truly see what he was doing to his dying daughter. cry

Believing that a transfusion is the same as eating is lunacy. It's tragic that his dying daughter had to be subject to forced mental illness to her death. So very sad.

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in what logic does refusing blood transfusions but experimenting with arsenic as a cure a good idea?

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As I mentioned, the arsenic treatment is suspect. That report could be just as misrepresenting as some of the rest of it is.

Regardless -- any comment on my points for consideration? Agreement isn't necessary, just acknowledgment would be nice. smile

Bottom line -- Hughes sold out Bethany, his family and his God with his cowardice. His young daughter was a thousand times braver, sticking to what he taught her and she accepted to be true.

Go to the source: www.watchtower.org

Thanks! biggrin
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Reply #26 posted 05/29/09 4:27pm

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Sad

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Reply #27 posted 05/29/09 4:29pm

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Uhope said:

As I mentioned, the arsenic treatment is suspect. That report could be just as misrepresenting as some of the rest of it is.

Regardless -- any comment on my points for consideration? Agreement isn't necessary, just acknowledgment would be nice. smile

Bottom line -- Hughes sold out Bethany, his family and his God with his cowardice. His young daughter was a thousand times braver, sticking to what he taught her and she accepted to be true.

Pride is a sin.

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Reply #28 posted 05/29/09 4:35pm

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Indeed. And look what it cost the man, rather than demonstrating the humility, faith & integrity he taught his family. confused

Go to the source: www.watchtower.org

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Reply #29 posted 05/29/09 4:39pm

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Uhope said:

Indeed. And look what it cost the man, rather than demonstrating the humility, faith & integrity he taught his family. confused

Your and other's pride to not have the ability to think and admit that this man made rule is killing innocent people.

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