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littlemissG

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Fix the government- Get rid of corporate political contributions.

Before 1950 EVERY State had laws against corporate political contributions. It was ILLEGAL for any corporation to make a political contribution to an official or candidate in any state that did business in or hoped to do to business in that state. The US needs to go back to that, like yesterday. Citizens need to organize a grassroots effort to get the legislation on the ballot. The time is now when people are realizing their voice is seldom hear above AIG, Citibank, Chrysler, and the like.

Government for the people and by the people not artificial entities.

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Reply #1 posted 05/17/09 11:32am

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littlemissG said:

Before 1950 EVERY State had laws against corporate political contributions. It was ILLEGAL for any corporation to make a political contribution to an official or candidate in any state that did business in or hoped to do to business in that state. The US needs to go back to that, like yesterday. Citizens need to organize a grassroots effort to get the legislation on the ballot. The time is now when people are realizing their voice is seldom hear above AIG, Citibank, Chrysler, and the like.

Government for the people and by the people not artificial entities.


Totally agree! Now that WE the government have given them all of their donations BACK, and then some...we can call it even and stop this mess right now!

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Reply #2 posted 05/17/09 11:34am

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Reply #3 posted 05/17/09 12:58pm

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The problem with that is courts have decided that giving money is free speech. I know it is crazy, but some of our judges are nuts..lol

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Reply #4 posted 05/17/09 1:33pm

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Imago said:



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Reply #5 posted 05/17/09 2:49pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

The problem with that is courts have decided that giving money is free speech. I know it is crazy, but some of our judges are nuts..lol


I too think it is core protected speech. But I also think we need a constitutional amendment limiting it. nod

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Reply #6 posted 05/17/09 3:17pm

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littlemissG said:

Before 1950 EVERY State had laws against corporate political contributions. It was ILLEGAL for any corporation to make a political contribution to an official or candidate in any state that did business in or hoped to do to business in that state. The US needs to go back to that, like yesterday. Citizens need to organize a grassroots effort to get the legislation on the ballot. The time is now when people are realizing their voice is seldom hear above AIG, Citibank, Chrysler, and the like.

Government for the people and by the people not artificial entities.

Can states make laws that contravene the Constitution?
Corporations are entities that have First Amendment speech rights. You can't muzzle them. Who's next?

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Reply #7 posted 05/17/09 4:54pm

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SUPRMAN said:

littlemissG said:

Before 1950 EVERY State had laws against corporate political contributions. It was ILLEGAL for any corporation to make a political contribution to an official or candidate in any state that did business in or hoped to do to business in that state. The US needs to go back to that, like yesterday. Citizens need to organize a grassroots effort to get the legislation on the ballot. The time is now when people are realizing their voice is seldom hear above AIG, Citibank, Chrysler, and the like.

Government for the people and by the people not artificial entities.

Can states make laws that contravene the Constitution?
Corporations are entities that have First Amendment speech rights. You can't muzzle them. Who's next?

Worst Decision Ever.

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Reply #8 posted 05/17/09 8:59pm

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littlemissG said:

SUPRMAN said:


Can states make laws that contravene the Constitution?
Corporations are entities that have First Amendment speech rights. You can't muzzle them. Who's next?

Worst Decision Ever.

I agree with this.

Corporations are different than your average large political group, in that corporations are profit driven, and there is no real motive for them do take any of their political stances on behalf of their employees.
Moreover, the damage that they can do is phenomenal. Just the sway they've had in overturning environmental laws like the 'Superfund' through the clear skies act shows that. These corporations can now pollute and never contribute any of their own money into the superfund. Rather, the cleanup effort is now assumed by our tax dollars.

When the NRA yells, it's because of they believe citizens have the right to bear arms (although I disagree with the NRA lol). But when corporations lobby, it's never in defense of the citizenry. It's a profit driven entity that whose major decisions benefit the most elite of the elite as their primary goal.

I think preventing corporations and large companies from doing this doesn't mean other political groups are going to be next. Hell, even the pro-life zealots out there are doing what they do to defend citizens--not some rich dude's stock portfolio.



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Reply #9 posted 05/17/09 9:21pm

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Imago said:

littlemissG said:


Worst Decision Ever.

I agree with this.

Corporations are different than your average large political group, in that corporations are profit driven, and there is no real motive for them do take any of their political stances on behalf of their employees.
Moreover, the damage that they can do is phenomenal. Just the sway they've had in overturning environmental laws like the 'Superfund' through the clear skies act shows that. These corporations can now pollute and never contribute any of their own money into the superfund. Rather, the cleanup effort is now assumed by our tax dollars.

When the NRA yells, it's because of they believe citizens have the right to bear arms (although I disagree with the NRA lol). But when corporations lobby, it's never in defense of the citizenry. It's a profit driven entity that whose major decisions benefit the most elite of the elite as their primary goal.

I think preventing corporations and large companies from doing this doesn't mean other political groups are going to be next. Hell, even the pro-life zealots out there are doing what they do to defend citizens--not some rich dude's stock portfolio.


The NRA is itself a corporation. They use their free speech to marshal their members and produce positive media.
If you can take speech from one citizen, no citizen is immune.

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Reply #10 posted 05/17/09 9:45pm

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Just as antitrust legislations were enacted to promote fair competition, I think there should be no problem in limiting or eliminating the influence corporations can wield on our politicians based on ethics codes that may be already on the books
[Edited 5/17/09 21:50pm]

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Reply #11 posted 05/17/09 10:28pm

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SUPRMAN said:

Imago said:


I agree with this.

Corporations are different than your average large political group, in that corporations are profit driven, and there is no real motive for them do take any of their political stances on behalf of their employees.
Moreover, the damage that they can do is phenomenal. Just the sway they've had in overturning environmental laws like the 'Superfund' through the clear skies act shows that. These corporations can now pollute and never contribute any of their own money into the superfund. Rather, the cleanup effort is now assumed by our tax dollars.

When the NRA yells, it's because of they believe citizens have the right to bear arms (although I disagree with the NRA lol). But when corporations lobby, it's never in defense of the citizenry. It's a profit driven entity that whose major decisions benefit the most elite of the elite as their primary goal.

I think preventing corporations and large companies from doing this doesn't mean other political groups are going to be next. Hell, even the pro-life zealots out there are doing what they do to defend citizens--not some rich dude's stock portfolio.


The NRA is itself a corporation. They use their free speech to marshal their members and produce positive media.
If you can take speech from one citizen, no citizen is immune.



Citizen = corporation...ludicrous. mad

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Reply #12 posted 05/17/09 10:47pm

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SUPRMAN said:

Imago said:


I agree with this.

Corporations are different than your average large political group, in that corporations are profit driven, and there is no real motive for them do take any of their political stances on behalf of their employees.
Moreover, the damage that they can do is phenomenal. Just the sway they've had in overturning environmental laws like the 'Superfund' through the clear skies act shows that. These corporations can now pollute and never contribute any of their own money into the superfund. Rather, the cleanup effort is now assumed by our tax dollars.

When the NRA yells, it's because of they believe citizens have the right to bear arms (although I disagree with the NRA lol). But when corporations lobby, it's never in defense of the citizenry. It's a profit driven entity that whose major decisions benefit the most elite of the elite as their primary goal.

I think preventing corporations and large companies from doing this doesn't mean other political groups are going to be next. Hell, even the pro-life zealots out there are doing what they do to defend citizens--not some rich dude's stock portfolio.


The NRA is itself a corporation. They use their free speech to marshal their members and produce positive media.
If you can take speech from one citizen, no citizen is immune.

I stand corrected.

thanks.



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Reply #13 posted 05/18/09 9:53pm

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violetblues said:

Just as antitrust legislations were enacted to promote fair competition, I think there should be no problem in limiting or eliminating the influence corporations can wield on our politicians based on ethics codes that may be already on the books
[Edited 5/17/09 21:50pm]

Look at it the other way . . . .Don't curtail the speech of citizens to limit corruption, eliminate corrupt politicians. Force legislation that would strip them of their seat and/or benefits. Make it less lucrative to be corrupt by limiting what they could accept and making any giving published information.

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Reply #14 posted 05/18/09 10:19pm

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SUPRMAN said:


Look at it the other way . . . .Don't curtail the speech of citizens to limit corruption, eliminate corrupt politicians. Force legislation that would strip them of their seat and/or benefits. Make it less lucrative to be corrupt by limiting what they could accept and making any giving published information.


You have a point, but I think the key words would be to enforce ethics rules, and make everything as transparent as humanly possible.
...of course the trick is for we the citizens to... umm...convince politicians to vote for such legislation.

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Reply #15 posted 05/18/09 10:34pm

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violetblues said:

SUPRMAN said:


Look at it the other way . . . .Don't curtail the speech of citizens to limit corruption, eliminate corrupt politicians. Force legislation that would strip them of their seat and/or benefits. Make it less lucrative to be corrupt by limiting what they could accept and making any giving published information.


You have a point, but I think the key words would be to enforce ethics rules, and make everything as transparent as humanly possible.
...of course the trick is for we the citizens to... umm...convince politicians to vote for such legislation.

Voting them out for resisting should be all it takes to get political support.
We can do it, we choose not to because that feels more in our self interest.

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