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Fix the government- Get rid of corporate political contributions. Before 1950 EVERY State had laws against corporate political contributions. It was ILLEGAL for any corporation to make a political contribution to an official or candidate in any state that did business in or hoped to do to business in that state. The US needs to go back to that, like yesterday. Citizens need to organize a grassroots effort to get the legislation on the ballot. The time is now when people are realizing their voice is seldom hear above AIG, Citibank, Chrysler, and the like.
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littlemissG said: Before 1950 EVERY State had laws against corporate political contributions. It was ILLEGAL for any corporation to make a political contribution to an official or candidate in any state that did business in or hoped to do to business in that state. The US needs to go back to that, like yesterday. Citizens need to organize a grassroots effort to get the legislation on the ballot. The time is now when people are realizing their voice is seldom hear above AIG, Citibank, Chrysler, and the like.
Government for the people and by the people not artificial entities. Totally agree! Now that WE ONLY LOSERS FEAR A MORE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD~~Sananda Maitreya Beware of men that will not go down! (I wish my momma had taught me all this)-BklynBabe | |
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The problem with that is courts have decided that giving money is free speech. I know it is crazy, but some of our judges are nuts..lol | |
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Imago said: ![]() Learning new moves to go with your alligator? [Edited 5/17/09 17:30pm] No More Haters on the Internet. | |
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2freaky4church1 said: The problem with that is courts have decided that giving money is free speech. I know it is crazy, but some of our judges are nuts..lol
I too think it is core protected speech. But I also think we need a constitutional amendment limiting it. gramar edit (seem to have a lot of those today) [Edited 5/17/09 14:50pm] a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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littlemissG said: Before 1950 EVERY State had laws against corporate political contributions. It was ILLEGAL for any corporation to make a political contribution to an official or candidate in any state that did business in or hoped to do to business in that state. The US needs to go back to that, like yesterday. Citizens need to organize a grassroots effort to get the legislation on the ballot. The time is now when people are realizing their voice is seldom hear above AIG, Citibank, Chrysler, and the like.
Government for the people and by the people not artificial entities. Can states make laws that contravene the Constitution? Corporations are entities that have First Amendment speech rights. You can't muzzle them. Who's next? | |
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SUPRMAN said: littlemissG said: Before 1950 EVERY State had laws against corporate political contributions. It was ILLEGAL for any corporation to make a political contribution to an official or candidate in any state that did business in or hoped to do to business in that state. The US needs to go back to that, like yesterday. Citizens need to organize a grassroots effort to get the legislation on the ballot. The time is now when people are realizing their voice is seldom hear above AIG, Citibank, Chrysler, and the like.
Government for the people and by the people not artificial entities. Can states make laws that contravene the Constitution? Corporations are entities that have First Amendment speech rights. You can't muzzle them. Who's next? Worst Decision Ever. No More Haters on the Internet. | |
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littlemissG said: SUPRMAN said: Can states make laws that contravene the Constitution? Corporations are entities that have First Amendment speech rights. You can't muzzle them. Who's next? Worst Decision Ever. I agree with this. Corporations are different than your average large political group, in that corporations are profit driven, and there is no real motive for them do take any of their political stances on behalf of their employees. Moreover, the damage that they can do is phenomenal. Just the sway they've had in overturning environmental laws like the 'Superfund' through the clear skies act shows that. These corporations can now pollute and never contribute any of their own money into the superfund. Rather, the cleanup effort is now assumed by our tax dollars. When the NRA yells, it's because of they believe citizens have the right to bear arms (although I disagree with the NRA I think preventing corporations and large companies from doing this doesn't mean other political groups are going to be next. Hell, even the pro-life zealots out there are doing what they do to defend citizens--not some rich dude's stock portfolio. C:\Otaassk~.exe The new best Prince M&M thread ever: http://prince.org/msg/7/323876 vivid is my new boo! | |
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Imago said: littlemissG said: Worst Decision Ever. I agree with this. Corporations are different than your average large political group, in that corporations are profit driven, and there is no real motive for them do take any of their political stances on behalf of their employees. Moreover, the damage that they can do is phenomenal. Just the sway they've had in overturning environmental laws like the 'Superfund' through the clear skies act shows that. These corporations can now pollute and never contribute any of their own money into the superfund. Rather, the cleanup effort is now assumed by our tax dollars. When the NRA yells, it's because of they believe citizens have the right to bear arms (although I disagree with the NRA I think preventing corporations and large companies from doing this doesn't mean other political groups are going to be next. Hell, even the pro-life zealots out there are doing what they do to defend citizens--not some rich dude's stock portfolio. The NRA is itself a corporation. They use their free speech to marshal their members and produce positive media. If you can take speech from one citizen, no citizen is immune. | |
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Just as antitrust legislations were enacted to promote fair competition, I think there should be no problem in limiting or eliminating the influence corporations can wield on our politicians based on ethics codes that may be already on the books | |
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SUPRMAN said: Imago said: I agree with this. Corporations are different than your average large political group, in that corporations are profit driven, and there is no real motive for them do take any of their political stances on behalf of their employees. Moreover, the damage that they can do is phenomenal. Just the sway they've had in overturning environmental laws like the 'Superfund' through the clear skies act shows that. These corporations can now pollute and never contribute any of their own money into the superfund. Rather, the cleanup effort is now assumed by our tax dollars. When the NRA yells, it's because of they believe citizens have the right to bear arms (although I disagree with the NRA I think preventing corporations and large companies from doing this doesn't mean other political groups are going to be next. Hell, even the pro-life zealots out there are doing what they do to defend citizens--not some rich dude's stock portfolio. The NRA is itself a corporation. They use their free speech to marshal their members and produce positive media. If you can take speech from one citizen, no citizen is immune. Citizen = corporation...ludicrous. ONLY LOSERS FEAR A MORE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD~~Sananda Maitreya Beware of men that will not go down! (I wish my momma had taught me all this)-BklynBabe | |
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SUPRMAN said: Imago said: I agree with this. Corporations are different than your average large political group, in that corporations are profit driven, and there is no real motive for them do take any of their political stances on behalf of their employees. Moreover, the damage that they can do is phenomenal. Just the sway they've had in overturning environmental laws like the 'Superfund' through the clear skies act shows that. These corporations can now pollute and never contribute any of their own money into the superfund. Rather, the cleanup effort is now assumed by our tax dollars. When the NRA yells, it's because of they believe citizens have the right to bear arms (although I disagree with the NRA I think preventing corporations and large companies from doing this doesn't mean other political groups are going to be next. Hell, even the pro-life zealots out there are doing what they do to defend citizens--not some rich dude's stock portfolio. The NRA is itself a corporation. They use their free speech to marshal their members and produce positive media. If you can take speech from one citizen, no citizen is immune. I stand corrected. thanks. C:\Otaassk~.exe The new best Prince M&M thread ever: http://prince.org/msg/7/323876 vivid is my new boo! | |
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violetblues said: Just as antitrust legislations were enacted to promote fair competition, I think there should be no problem in limiting or eliminating the influence corporations can wield on our politicians based on ethics codes that may be already on the books
[Edited 5/17/09 21:50pm] Look at it the other way . . . .Don't curtail the speech of citizens to limit corruption, eliminate corrupt politicians. Force legislation that would strip them of their seat and/or benefits. Make it less lucrative to be corrupt by limiting what they could accept and making any giving published information. | |
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SUPRMAN said: Look at it the other way . . . .Don't curtail the speech of citizens to limit corruption, eliminate corrupt politicians. Force legislation that would strip them of their seat and/or benefits. Make it less lucrative to be corrupt by limiting what they could accept and making any giving published information. You have a point, but I think the key words would be to enforce ethics rules, and make everything as transparent as humanly possible. ...of course the trick is for we the citizens to... umm...convince politicians to vote for such legislation. | |
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violetblues said: SUPRMAN said: Look at it the other way . . . .Don't curtail the speech of citizens to limit corruption, eliminate corrupt politicians. Force legislation that would strip them of their seat and/or benefits. Make it less lucrative to be corrupt by limiting what they could accept and making any giving published information. You have a point, but I think the key words would be to enforce ethics rules, and make everything as transparent as humanly possible. ...of course the trick is for we the citizens to... umm...convince politicians to vote for such legislation. Voting them out for resisting should be all it takes to get political support. We can do it, we choose not to because that feels more in our self interest. | |
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