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jehova witnesses how does that religion compare to other denominations like babtist and so forth | |
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People Call me Rude
I Wish We All Were Nude I Wish There Was No Black and White I Wish There Were No Rules! | |
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http://watchtower.org/e/b...vities.htm http://prince.org/msg/105/307615
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http://www.jw-media.org/b.../index.htm
Truth is incontrovertible,
Malice may distort it, Ignorance may deride it, But there it is. Go to the source - www.watchtower.org 2 all the haterz on the internet somebody's lookin' at you. No more candy 4 you they got ur number now fool. | |
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Full of heresy and unfortunately, my grandmother was an Jehovah Witness before she passed, and my aunt is maybe undecided. | |
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The Truth v. Christendom
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Abundanc3 said: The Truth v. Christendom
That is how the compare  Amen sister.  | |
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Abundanc3 said: The Truth v. Christendom
That is how the compare the only truth is math, cause you can prove it. the rest is belief it is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
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Abundanc3 said: The Truth v. Christendom
That is how the compare The arrogance boggles my mind. How did I ever believe this?  ONLY LOSERS FEAR A MORE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD~~Sananda Maitreya Beware of men that will not go down! (I wish my momma had taught me all this)-BklynBabe | |
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ehuffnsd said: the only truth is math, cause you can prove it. the rest is belief  and doses of faith/hope mixed in |
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ehuffnsd said: Abundanc3 said: The Truth v. Christendom
That is how the compare the only truth is math, cause you can prove it. the rest is belief  And there we have it.
I will fully admit that math boggles the fuck out of me. I don't get it. But I know that it's solid fact backing it up and though I may not understand it or be able to explain it, there are plenty who do. The only "truth" is what can be proven. Everything else hinges on belief, that's why it's called Faith. Nothing wrong with having faith in whatever you deem right, but calling it Truth is a mistake. We are stardust. We are golden.
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It says on their WatchTower site that they translate the Bible into their own words.
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anc282 said: It says on their WatchTower site that they translate the Bible into their own words.
What's more, they'll knock on your door & tell you that the world is about to end while they hand you a booklet called "What Does The Bible Really Teach Us?" that talks about how we should all shun what Jehovah hates. Such examples include: cussin', sexual behaviour, smokin' 'erb, smokin' cigarettes and drinking alcohol. A lot of these things I don't do, but I wouldn't say God hates them. I'm sure if there is a God, He or She's got better things to do than hate 7 Dirty Words or consumption of the green stuff He or She was responsible for putting here. We are stardust. We are golden.
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anc282 said: It says on their WatchTower site that they translate the Bible into their own words.
This is incorrect. Perhaps you should revisit www.watchtower.org or http://www.jw-media.org/b.../index.htm which will help you make an educated and informed statement regarding the New World Translation of the Bible, which btw, is the closest rendition to the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts used in the writings. http://prince.org/msg/105/307615
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noimageatall said: Abundanc3 said: The Truth v. Christendom
That is how the compare The arrogance boggles my mind. How did I ever believe this? gray scale is difficult - so much easier to divide the world into black and white. btw, i'm in awe of your journey. | |
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Do they have service on Sundays? I might go next week cause they seem like they are very rooted in the word of God, also they are very friendly, unlike many people in the denomiation I belong to. | |
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spiritandtruth said: anc282 said: It says on their WatchTower site that they translate the Bible into their own words.
This is incorrect. Perhaps you should revisit www.watchtower.org or http://www.jw-media.org/b.../index.htm which will help you make an educated and informed statement regarding the New World Translation of the Bible, which btw, is the closest rendition to the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts used in the writings. By all means visit www.watchtower.org but also visit other sites too and get the whole picture.. So who is correct, the JW's?: Violating a Rule? SOME claim, however, that such renderings violate a rule of Koine Greek grammar published by Greek scholar E. C. Colwell back in 1933. He asserted that in Greek a predicate noun "has the [definite] article when it follows the verb; it does not have the [definite] article when it precedes the verb." By this he meant that a predicate noun preceding the verb should be understood as though it did have the definite article ("the") in front of it. At John 1:1 the second noun (the·os'), the predicate, precedes the verb—"and [the·os'] was the Word." So, Colwell claimed, John 1:1 should read "and [the] God was the Word." But consider just two examples found at John 8:44. There Jesus says of the Devil: "That one was a manslayer" and "he is a liar." Just as at John 1:1, the predicate nouns ("manslayer" and "liar") precede the verbs ("was" and "is") in the Greek. There is no indefinite article in front of either noun because there was no indefinite article in Koine Greek. But most translations insert the word "a" because Greek grammar and the context require it.—See also Mark 11:32; John 4:19; 6:70; 9:17; 10:1; 12:6. "The Logos was divine, not the divine Being himself."—Joseph Henry Thayer, Bible scholar Colwell had to acknowledge this regarding the predicate noun, for he said: "It is indefinite ["a" or "an"] in this position only when the context demands it." So even he admits that when the context requires it, translators may insert an indefinite article in front of the noun in this type of sentence structure. Does the context require an indefinite article at John 1:1? Yes, for the testimony of the entire Bible is that Jesus is not Almighty God. Thus, not Colwell's questionable rule of grammar, but context should guide the translator in such cases. And it is apparent from the many translations that insert the indefinite article "a" at John 1:1 and in other places that many scholars disagree with such an artificial rule, and so does God's Word. Or the scholars: Dr. J. R. Mantey (who is quoted on pages 1158-1159) of the Witnesses own Kingdom interlinear Translation): "A shocking mistranslation." "Obsolete and incorrect." "It is neither scholarly nor reasonable to translate John 1:1 'The Word was a god.'" Dr. Bruce M. Metzger of Princeton (Professor of New Testament Language and Literature): "A frightful mistranslation." "Erroneous" and "pernicious" "reprehensible" "If the Jehovah's Witnesses take this translation seriously, they are polytheists." Dr. Samuel J. Mikolaski of Zurich, Switzerland: "This anarthrous (used without the article) construction does not mean what the indefinite article 'a' means in English. It is monstrous to translate the phrase 'the Word was a god.'" Dr. Paul L. Kaufman of Portland, Oregon: "The Jehovah's Witnesses people evidence an abysmal ignorance of the basic tenets of Greek grammar in their mistranslation of John 1:1." Dr. Charles L. Feinberg of La Mirada, California: "I can assure you that the rendering which the Jehovah's Witnesses give John 1:1 is not held by any reputable Greek scholar." Dr. James L. Boyer of Winona Lake, Indiana: "I have never heard of, or read of any Greek Scholar who would have agreed to the interpretation of this verse insisted upon by the Jehovah's Witnesses...I have never encountered one of them who had any knowledge of the Greek language." Dr. Walter R. Martin (who did not teach Greek but has studied the language): "The translation...'a god' instead of 'God' is erroneous and unsupported by any good Greek scholarship, ancient or contemporary and is a translation rejected by all recognized scholars of the Greek language may of whom are not even Christians, and cannot fairly be said to be biased in favor of the orthodox contention." Dr. William Barclay of the University of Glasgow, Scotland: "The deliberate distortion of truth by this sect is seen in their New testament translations. John 1:1 is translated: '...the Word was a god,' a translation which is grammatically impossible...It is abundantly clear that a sect which can translate the New Testament like that is intellectually dishonest." Dr. F. F. Bruce of the University of Manchester, England: "Much is made by Arian amateur grammarians of the omission of the definite article with 'God' in the phrase 'And the Word was God.' Such an omission is common with nouns in a predicative construction...'a god' would be totally indefensible." [Barclay and Bruce are generally regarded as Great Britain's leading Greek scholars. Both have New Testament translations in print!] Dr. Ernest C. Colwell of the University of Chicago: "A definite predicate nominative has the article when it follows the verb; it does not have the article when it precedes the verb...this statement cannot be regarded as strange in the prologue of the gospel which reaches its climax in the confession of Thomas. 'My Lord and my God.' - John 20:28" Dr. Phillip B. Harner of Heidelberg College: "The verb preceding an anarthrous predicate, would probably mean that the LOGOS was 'a god' or a divine being of some kind, belonging to the general category of THEOS but as a distinct being from HO THEOS. In the form that John actually uses, the word "THEOS" is places at the beginning for emphasis." Dr. J. Johnson of California State University, Long Beach: "No justification whatsoever for translating THEOS EN HO LOGOS as 'the Word was a god.' There is no syntactical parallel to Acts 28:6 where there is a statement in indirect discourse; John 1:1 is direct....I am neither a Christian nor a trinitarian." Dr. Eugene A. Nida, head of Translations Department, American Bible Society: "With regard to John 1:1, there is of course a complication simply because the New World Translation was apparently done by persons who did not take seriously the syntax of the Greek." [Responsible for the Good News Bible - The committee worked under him.] Dr. B. F. Wescott (whose Greek text - not the English part - is used in the Kingdom Interlinear Translation): "The predicate (God) stands emphatically first, as in IV.24. It is necessarily without the article...No idea of inferiority of nature is suggested by the form of expression, which simply affirms the true deity of the Word...in the third clause 'the Word' is declared to be 'God' and so included in the unity of the Godhead." Dr. J. J. Griesbach (whose Greek text - not the English part - is used in the Emphatic Diaglott): "So numerous and clear are the arguments and testimonies of Scriptures in favour of the true Deity of Christ, that I can hardly imagine how, upon the admission of the Divine authority of Scripture, and with regard to fair rules of interpretation, this doctrine can by any man be called in doubt. Especially the passage, John 1:1-3, is so clear and so superior to all exception, that by no daring efforts of either commentators or critics can it be snatched out of the hands of the defenders of the truth." This is just one verse that is questionable., There are numerous others. The New World Translation was translated by Fred Franz, a man who, under oath in a Scottish courtroom, admitted that he knew neither Hebrew or Greek.  "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"-Dr Seuss
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thereislonely1 said: Do they have service on Sundays? I might go next week cause they seem like they are very rooted in the word of God, also they are very friendly, unlike many people in the denomiation I belong to.
I was raised as A Witness and I can tell you that it isn't all what you see on the surface. They are the same as any other religion. There is good and bad. There is truth and there is falsehood. They will be friendly if you go, they don't see many people just walk in off the street. They will offer you a "Bible" study. Be aware that it is not a Bible study, but a study of their publications and dogma. I have severe problems with their eschatology and their disfellowshipping policies. But that is me, you should by all means do your own research and see for yourself. www.watchtower.org www.jwfacts.com www.freeminds.org/ www.jehovahs-witness.net "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"-Dr Seuss
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thereislonely1 said: Do they have service on Sundays? I might go next week cause they seem like they are very rooted in the word of God, also they are very friendly, unlike many people in the denomiation I belong to.
Sunday the 26th would be an excellent time to visit a Kingdom Hall as there will be a special talk, that will be given globally on the subject of if there is one true religion that God recognizes. http://prince.org/msg/105/307615
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spiritandtruth said: thereislonely1 said: Do they have service on Sundays? I might go next week cause they seem like they are very rooted in the word of God, also they are very friendly, unlike many people in the denomiation I belong to.
Sunday the 26th would be an excellent time to visit a Kingdom Hall as there will be a special talk, that will be given globally on the subject of if there is one true religion that God recognizes. somehow, i think i might know what the answer will be...  | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: spiritandtruth said: Sunday the 26th would be an excellent time to visit a Kingdom Hall as there will be a special talk, that will be given globally on the subject of if there is one true religion that God recognizes. somehow, i think i might know what the answer will be... "one true religion"  Mmkay ! |
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Mach said: IrresistibleB1tch said: somehow, i think i might know what the answer will be... "one true religion" Mmkay !"...that God recognizes", no less. | |
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Just to clarify, the title of the special talk is:
http://prince.org/msg/105/307615
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spiritandtruth said: Just to clarify, the title of the special talk is:
"Is there a true religion from God’s standpoint?" I chose MY words poorly, trying to draw from memory the subject matter of the talk. In any event, it is a thought provoking question, is it not?  sure it's a thought-provoking question. it would be interesting to have representatives from various faiths discuss it, along with atheists.  | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: spiritandtruth said: Just to clarify, the title of the special talk is:
"Is there a true religion from God’s standpoint?" I chose MY words poorly, trying to draw from memory the subject matter of the talk. In any event, it is a thought provoking question, is it not? sure it's a thought-provoking question. it would be interesting to have representatives from various faiths discuss it, along with atheists. That would be a very good ( and balanced ) discussion!
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spiritandtruth said: Just to clarify, the title of the special talk is:
"Is there a true religion from God’s standpoint?" I chose MY words poorly, trying to draw from memory the subject matter of the talk. In any event, it is a thought provoking question, is it not? In my opinon, there is not, because as long as one believes John 3:16 and tries to live their lives according to the doctrines of the Bible whether it be King James or the New World Translation will be saved. | |
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thereislonely1 said: as long as one believes John 3:16 and tries to live their lives according to the doctrines of the Bible whether it be King James or the New World Translation will be saved.
You are on the right track here 
In my studies of the scriptures, I found the NWT to be the closest to the KJV in translation, and yes, John 3:16 "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life." - NWT, is pivotal to gaining salvation. http://prince.org/msg/105/307615
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IrresistibleB1tch said: spiritandtruth said: Just to clarify, the title of the special talk is:
"Is there a true religion from God’s standpoint?" I chose MY words poorly, trying to draw from memory the subject matter of the talk. In any event, it is a thought provoking question, is it not? sure it's a thought-provoking question. it would be interesting to have representatives from various faiths discuss it, along with atheists. I'd go to that talk. I think it'd be great to get representatives from a variety of faiths and non-faiths together to civilly make their cases. We are stardust. We are golden.
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meow85 said: IrresistibleB1tch said: sure it's a thought-provoking question. it would be interesting to have representatives from various faiths discuss it, along with atheists. I'd go to that talk. I think it'd be great to get representatives from a variety of faiths and non-faiths together to civilly make their cases. i would, too. | |
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