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TonyVanDam

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More Americans say they have no religion!

SIDENOTE: It's true. Christianity is losing its flair.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...us_america

A wide-ranging study on American religious life found that the Roman Catholic population has been shifting out o of the Northeast to the Southwest, the percentage of Christians in the nation has declined and more people say they have no religion at all.

Fifteen percent of respondents said they had no religion, an increase from 14.2 percent in 2001 and 8.2 percent in 1990, according to the American Religious Identification Survey.

Northern New England surpassed the Pacific Northwest as the least religious region, with Vermont reporting the highest share of those claiming no religion, at 34 percent. Still, the study found that the numbers of Americans with no religion rose in every state.

"No other religious bloc has kept such a pace in every state," the study's authors said.

In the Northeast, self-identified Catholics made up 36 percent of adults last year, down from 43 percent in 1990. At the same time, however, Catholics grew to about one-third of the adult population in California and Texas, and one-quarter of Floridians, largely due to Latino immigration, according to the research.

Nationally, Catholics remain the largest religious group, with 57 million people saying they belong to the church. The tradition gained 11 million followers since 1990, but its share of the population fell by about a percentage point to 25 percent.

Christians who aren't Catholic also are a declining segment of the country.

In 2008, Christians comprised 76 percent of U.S. adults, compared to about 77 percent in 2001 and about 86 percent in 1990. Researchers said the dwindling ranks of mainline Protestants, including Methodists, Lutherans and Episcopalians, largely explains the shift. Over the last seven years, mainline Protestants dropped from just over 17 percent to 12.9 percent of the population.

The report from The Program on Public Values at Trinity College in Hartford, Conn., surveyed 54,461 adults in English or Spanish from February through November of last year. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 0.5 percentage points. The findings are part of a series of studies on American religion by the program that will later look more closely at reasons behind the trends.

The current survey, being released Monday, found traditional organized religion playing less of a role in many lives. Thirty percent of married couples did not have a religious wedding ceremony and 27 percent of respondents said they did not want a religious funeral.

About 12 percent of Americans believe in a higher power but not the personal God at the core of monotheistic faiths. And, since 1990, a slightly greater share of respondents — 1.2 percent — said they were part of new religious movements, including Scientology, Wicca and Santeria.

The study also found signs of a growing influence of churches that either don't belong to a denomination or play down their membership in a religious group.

Respondents who called themselves "non-denominational Christian" grew from 0.1 percent in 1990 to 3.5 percent last year. Congregations that most often use the term are megachurches considered "seeker sensitive." They use rock style music and less structured prayer to attract people who don't usually attend church. Researchers also found a small increase in those who prefer being called evangelical or born-again, rather than claim membership in a denomination.

Evangelical or born-again Americans make up 34 percent of all American adults and 45 percent of all Christians and Catholics, the study found. Researchers found that 18 percent of Catholics consider themselves born-again or evangelical, and nearly 39 percent of mainline Protestants prefer those labels. Many mainline Protestant groups are riven by conflict over how they should interpret what the Bible says about gay relationships, salvation and other issues.

The percentage of Pentecostals remained mostly steady since 1990 at 3.5 percent, a surprising finding considering the dramatic spread of the tradition worldwide. Pentecostals are known for a spirited form of Christianity that includes speaking in tongues and a belief in modern-day miracles.

Mormon numbers also held steady over the period at 1.4 percent of the population, while the number of Jews who described themselves as religiously observant continued to drop, from 1.8 percent in 1990 to 1.2 percent, or 2.7 million people, last year. Researchers plan a broader survey on people who consider themselves culturally Jewish but aren't religious.

The study found that the percentage of Americans who identified themselves as Muslim grew to 0.6 percent of the population, while growth in Eastern religions such as Buddhism slightly slowed.

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Reply #1 posted 03/09/09 7:07am

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i didn't know you could be a born-again Catholic. goes to show what i know! lol

interesting article! nod

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Reply #2 posted 03/09/09 10:10am

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Interesting numbers that can be dissected any number of ways:

The number of self-identified Christians in the US fell nearly 10 percent over essentially a generation.

The number of Roman Catholics increased by almost 20% over a generation, but declined as an overall population percentage.

12% do not believe in a "personal God" (a term which is perplexing), meaning that the overall percentage of those who believe in a higher power (including Christians)is about the same percentage as that of Christians a generation ago (88% and 86%, respectively).

The number of non-denominational churches grew exponentially in a generation. At that rate, those numbers will grow even more over the next generation.

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Reply #3 posted 03/09/09 10:13am

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I just read this a few moments ago too - Interesting indeed smile

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Reply #4 posted 03/09/09 10:29am

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interesting...

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Reply #5 posted 03/09/09 12:24pm

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Reply #6 posted 03/09/09 12:25pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

i didn't know you could be a born-again Catholic. goes to show what i know! lol

interesting article! nod



Neither did I. Man, I learn something new everyday. biggrin

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Reply #7 posted 03/09/09 12:31pm

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Pat Buchanon is a born again Catholic.

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Reply #8 posted 03/09/09 1:50pm

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Everbody has a religion... most worship the almighty dollar and attend the church of the ATM. Lately services have been limited. lol

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Reply #9 posted 03/09/09 1:57pm

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Distressing news, and surely accounts for some of the trouble we find ourselves in today.

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Reply #10 posted 03/09/09 2:10pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Distressing news, and surely accounts for some of the trouble we find ourselves in today.


why is that distressing news? it's quite possible to find both comfort in difficult times and a moral compass in secular teachings.

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Reply #11 posted 03/09/09 3:03pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Pat Buchanon is a born again Catholic.


He's a traditionalist when it comes to practicing his Catholic faith, but he's not "born again" in the sense of being a convert. He's been Catholic all his life. So was William F. Buckley, IIRC.

Some prominent conservatives have converted to Catholicism, including Sam Brownback and the late Robert Novak.

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Reply #12 posted 03/09/09 3:04pm

namepeace

RodeoSchro said:

Distressing news, and surely accounts for some of the trouble we find ourselves in today.


Please explain.

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Reply #13 posted 03/09/09 3:06pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Distressing news, and surely accounts for some of the trouble we find ourselves in today.


i agree!

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Reply #14 posted 03/09/09 3:07pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

RodeoSchro said:

Distressing news, and surely accounts for some of the trouble we find ourselves in today.


why is that distressing news? it's quite possible to find both comfort in difficult times and a moral compass in secular teachings.


how can there be a ground for morality in secularism?

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Reply #15 posted 03/09/09 3:23pm

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HiinEnkelte said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:



why is that distressing news? it's quite possible to find both comfort in difficult times and a moral compass in secular teachings.


how can there be a ground for morality in secularism?

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biggrin because good deeds are not limited to sectarian values.

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

i didn't know you could be a born-again Catholic. goes to show what i know! lol




Me either, yikes! eek

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Reply #17 posted 03/09/09 3:26pm

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DesireeNevermind said:

Everbody has a religion... most worship the almighty dollar and attend the church of the ATM. Lately services have been limited. lol


Yup.

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Reply #18 posted 03/09/09 3:27pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:

i didn't know you could be a born-again Catholic. goes to show what i know! lol




Me either, yikes! eek


lol hi goar-juss! hug

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

DiminutiveRocker said:




Me either, yikes! eek


lol hi goar-juss! hug


IB! woot!

How are you, fab as usual? hug

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Reply #20 posted 03/09/09 3:31pm

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Good news, as far as I'm concerned.

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Reply #21 posted 03/09/09 3:31pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:



lol hi goar-juss! hug


IB! woot!

How are you, fab as usual? hug


oh, you know... about as good as can be expected, all things considered. lol

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Reply #22 posted 03/09/09 3:37pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

HiinEnkelte said:



how can there be a ground for morality in secularism?

biggrin
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biggrin because good deeds are not limited to sectarian values.


According to the American Heritage dictionary, morality is defined as:

1. The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.
2. A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct: religious morality; Christian
morality.
3. Virtuous conduct.
4. A rule or lesson in moral conduct.


The word is so often associated with religious ideals, "secular morality" does seem a bit oxymoronic. But it can still exist.

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Reply #23 posted 03/09/09 3:38pm

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namepeace said:



The word is so often associated with religious ideals, "secular morality" does seem a bit oxymoronic. But it can still exist.


to whom? lol
[Edited 3/9/09 15:38pm]

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Reply #24 posted 03/09/09 3:45pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

namepeace said:



The word is so often associated with religious ideals, "secular morality" does seem a bit oxymoronic. But it can still exist.


to whom? lol
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Understand the context, which actually goes to what you're saying.

Morality and religion have been thought of so so mutually inclusive, that morality and secularism has been widely thought of as mutually exclusive.

Hard to dispute that, as that is the premise of a religious monopoly on morality which secular apologists have questioned in promoting a secular morality.
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Reply #25 posted 03/09/09 3:51pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

HiinEnkelte said:



how can there be a ground for morality in secularism?

biggrin
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biggrin because good deeds are not limited to sectarian values.


confused

i quickly edited my post from "how can there be morality in secularism"
to "how can there be a ground for morality in secularism"
precisely to try to obviate such a misunderstanding.

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Reply #26 posted 03/09/09 3:55pm

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HiinEnkelte said:

i quickly edited my post from "how can there be morality in secularism" to "how can there be a ground for morality in secularism" precisely to try to obviate such a misunderstanding.


I know this is a (no pun intended) "angels on pinheads" philosophical argument, but . . .

Based on the definition I cited, a code of morality can be devised for any way of life.

If that is so, then secularism can determine its own grounds for morality, can't it?

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Reply #27 posted 03/09/09 3:57pm

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HiinEnkelte said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:



biggrin because good deeds are not limited to sectarian values.


confused

i quickly edited my post from "how can there be morality in secularism"
to "how can there be a ground for morality in secularism"
precisely to try to obviate such a misunderstanding.


"obviate" to your heart's content. lol (did you just ask me about being pompous on the other thread? i'll get to that later)

can you spell out, you know for the "unwashed masses" like me, what you're trying to say here? ground? no ground?

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Reply #28 posted 03/09/09 4:01pm

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namepeace said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:



to whom? lol
[Edited 3/9/09 15:38pm]


Understand the context, which actually goes to what you're saying.

Morality and religion have been thought of so so mutually inclusive, that morality and secularism has been widely thought of as mutually exclusive.

Hard to dispute that, as that is the premise of a religious monopoly on morality which secular apologists have questioned in promoting a secular morality.
[Edited 3/9/09 15:50pm]


careful with the term "religious" here...

buddhism, for example, does not believe in the premise of religious monopoly on morality.

(then again, i'm in a very un-buddha-like state right now, so what do i know? lol )

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RodeoSchro said:

Distressing news, and surely accounts for some of the trouble we find ourselves in today.

I find it to be very encouraging and comforting news.

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