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More Americans say they have no religion! SIDENOTE: It's true. Christianity is losing its flair.
Tupac "Makaveli" Shakur (RIP 1971-1996) & Michael Jackson (RIP 1958-2009)
2 men that had their lives taken away the moment they were speaking out AND rebelling against the dark side of the music industry once too often. | |
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i didn't know you could be a born-again Catholic. goes to show what i know! | |
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Interesting numbers that can be dissected any number of ways:
Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder | |
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I just read this a few moments ago too - Interesting indeed |
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interesting... "It is the system of nationalist ndividualism that has to go...Countless people...will hate the new world order....and will die protesting against it." HG Wells | |
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Sign of The Times | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: i didn't know you could be a born-again Catholic. goes to show what i know!
interesting article! Neither did I. Man, I learn something new everyday. “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist.” Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara | |
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Pat Buchanon is a born again Catholic. | |
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Everbody has a religion... most worship the almighty dollar and attend the church of the ATM. Lately services have been limited. " | |
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Distressing news, and surely accounts for some of the trouble we find ourselves in today. Second Funkiest White Man in America | |
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RodeoSchro said: Distressing news, and surely accounts for some of the trouble we find ourselves in today.
why is that distressing news? it's quite possible to find both comfort in difficult times and a moral compass in secular teachings. | |
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2freaky4church1 said: Pat Buchanon is a born again Catholic.
He's a traditionalist when it comes to practicing his Catholic faith, but he's not "born again" in the sense of being a convert. He's been Catholic all his life. So was William F. Buckley, IIRC. Some prominent conservatives have converted to Catholicism, including Sam Brownback and the late Robert Novak. Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder | |
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RodeoSchro said: Distressing news, and surely accounts for some of the trouble we find ourselves in today.
Please explain. Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder | |
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RodeoSchro said: Distressing news, and surely accounts for some of the trouble we find ourselves in today.
i agree! Welcome to the New World Odor and
the Mythmaking Moonbattery of Obamanation. Chains We Can Bereave In LIBERALISM IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: RodeoSchro said: Distressing news, and surely accounts for some of the trouble we find ourselves in today.
why is that distressing news? it's quite possible to find both comfort in difficult times and a moral compass in secular teachings. how can there be a ground for morality in secularism? [Edited 3/9/09 15:08pm] Welcome to the New World Odor and
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HiinEnkelte said: IrresistibleB1tch said: why is that distressing news? it's quite possible to find both comfort in difficult times and a moral compass in secular teachings. how can there be a ground for morality in secularism? [Edited 3/9/09 15:08pm] | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: i didn't know you could be a born-again Catholic. goes to show what i know!
Me either, yikes! "I think one of the things that we're probably proudest of -- I certainly am -- is that the message was always love, in any form we portrayed it." - Paul McCartney | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Everbody has a religion... most worship the almighty dollar and attend the church of the ATM. Lately services have been limited.
Yup. "After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill...the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill...you stay in wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes." | |
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DiminutiveRocker said: IrresistibleB1tch said: i didn't know you could be a born-again Catholic. goes to show what i know!
Me either, yikes! | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: DiminutiveRocker said: Me either, yikes! IB! How are you, fab as usual? "I think one of the things that we're probably proudest of -- I certainly am -- is that the message was always love, in any form we portrayed it." - Paul McCartney | |
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Good news, as far as I'm concerned. * * * *
"You don't get to choose how you're going to die. Or when. You can decide how you're going to live--now." - Joan Baez | |
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DiminutiveRocker said: IrresistibleB1tch said: IB! How are you, fab as usual? oh, you know... about as good as can be expected, all things considered. | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: HiinEnkelte said: how can there be a ground for morality in secularism? [Edited 3/9/09 15:08pm] According to the American Heritage dictionary, morality is defined as: 1. The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.
2. A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct: religious morality; Christian morality. 3. Virtuous conduct. 4. A rule or lesson in moral conduct. The word is so often associated with religious ideals, "secular morality" does seem a bit oxymoronic. But it can still exist. Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder | |
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namepeace said: The word is so often associated with religious ideals, "secular morality" does seem a bit oxymoronic. But it can still exist. to whom? [Edited 3/9/09 15:38pm] | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: namepeace said: The word is so often associated with religious ideals, "secular morality" does seem a bit oxymoronic. But it can still exist. to whom? [Edited 3/9/09 15:38pm] Understand the context, which actually goes to what you're saying. Morality and religion have been thought of so so mutually inclusive, that morality and secularism has been widely thought of as mutually exclusive. Hard to dispute that, as that is the premise of a religious monopoly on morality which secular apologists have questioned in promoting a secular morality. [Edited 3/9/09 15:50pm] Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: HiinEnkelte said: how can there be a ground for morality in secularism? [Edited 3/9/09 15:08pm] i quickly edited my post from "how can there be morality in secularism" to "how can there be a ground for morality in secularism" precisely to try to obviate such a misunderstanding. Welcome to the New World Odor and
the Mythmaking Moonbattery of Obamanation. Chains We Can Bereave In LIBERALISM IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY | |
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HiinEnkelte said: i quickly edited my post from "how can there be morality in secularism" to "how can there be a ground for morality in secularism" precisely to try to obviate such a misunderstanding.
I know this is a (no pun intended) "angels on pinheads" philosophical argument, but . . . Based on the definition I cited, a code of morality can be devised for any way of life. If that is so, then secularism can determine its own grounds for morality, can't it? Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder | |
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HiinEnkelte said: IrresistibleB1tch said: i quickly edited my post from "how can there be morality in secularism" to "how can there be a ground for morality in secularism" precisely to try to obviate such a misunderstanding. "obviate" to your heart's content. can you spell out, you know for the "unwashed masses" like me, what you're trying to say here? ground? no ground? | |
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namepeace said: IrresistibleB1tch said: to whom? [Edited 3/9/09 15:38pm] Understand the context, which actually goes to what you're saying. Morality and religion have been thought of so so mutually inclusive, that morality and secularism has been widely thought of as mutually exclusive. Hard to dispute that, as that is the premise of a religious monopoly on morality which secular apologists have questioned in promoting a secular morality. [Edited 3/9/09 15:50pm] careful with the term "religious" here... buddhism, for example, does not believe in the premise of religious monopoly on morality. (then again, i'm in a very un-buddha-like state right now, so what do i know? | |
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RodeoSchro said: Distressing news, and surely accounts for some of the trouble we find ourselves in today.
I find it to be very encouraging and comforting news. |
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