Libs behaving badly: Pair arrested after McCain sign torched in Sellwood

http://www.katu.com/news/30847164.html

Pair arrested after McCain sign torched in Sellwood

PORTLAND, Ore. - Authorities have arrested two men after a Molotov cocktail was thrown at a 4-foot by 8-foot campaign sign for Republican presidential candidate John McCain in a southeast Portland yard.

Karen Scrutton said she was asleep inside her home at 7956 S.E. 17th Ave. in the Sellwood neighborhood when she saw her sign go up in flames after 1 a.m.

"I screamed upstairs to my husband, 'Gene! Gene!" she said.

A neighbor heard a crash and chased off one of the suspects. Gene Scrutton said his son-in-law found another suspect not far away.

Not long after, investigators picked up Leslie Brockette Leudtke and Kevin Carl Robinson, both 23. After interviewing them, the pair was charged with four counts each of manufacturing and possession of a destructive device. In addition, Leudtke was charged with a single count of reckless burning.

Witnesses said the suspects threw a Molotov cocktail at the sign and used another as a torch.

The Scruttons worried that their home could have caught on fire.

"Our whole house could have burnt down," Karen Scrutton said while thanking her neighbor for intervening.

Despite the ordeal, she said they won't take the sign down. It suffered only minor damage from the fire.


Here are the two idiots:

There is one orger who is a COMPLETE RACIST who should be banned from this board but will never be.

http://uk.youtube.com/wat...jo85WhbYqM

are we going to get a new P&R thread every time some drunken schmoe engages in an act of partisan douchery?

That's fucked up.

You got a lot of catching up to do on the Obama hate threads. I'll wait.

someone drew a moustache on a poster of mccain that my bus passes on the way to work every day. i think they drew a little penis going into his mouth too, but the bus goes past too quickly for me to be sure.

Anxiety said:

someone drew a moustache on a poster of mccain that my bus passes on the way to work every day. i think they drew a little penis going into his mouth too, but the bus goes past too quickly for me to be sure.

Stymie said:

There is one orger who is a COMPLETE RACIST who should be banned from this board but will never be.

http://uk.youtube.com/wat...jo85WhbYqM

CliffClaven said:

Anxiety said:

CliffClaven said:

Just like these two idiots don't represent average Obama supporters, the idiots who say hateful comments at McCain rallies, signs, etc do not represent average conservatives. Agreed?

you mean the ones who shout things like "kill him" within earshot of the republican candidates, and nothing happens to them?

yeah, i can see how that's on par with a stoner with a sharpie and too much spare time.

CliffClaven said:

Anxiety said:

CliffClaven said:

Just like these two idiots don't represent average Obama supporters, the idiots who say hateful comments at McCain rallies, signs, etc do not represent average conservatives. Agreed?

you mean the ones who shout things like "kill him" within earshot of the republican candidates, and nothing happens to them?

yeah, i can see how that's on par with a stoner with a sharpie and too much spare time.

There is one orger who is a COMPLETE RACIST who should be banned from this board but will never be.

http://uk.youtube.com/wat...jo85WhbYqM

Stymie said:

There is one orger who is a COMPLETE RACIST who should be banned from this board but will never be.

http://uk.youtube.com/wat...jo85WhbYqM

CliffClaven said:

Anxiety said:

you mean the ones who shout things like "kill him" within earshot of the republican candidates, and nothing happens to them?

yeah, i can see how that's on par with a stoner with a sharpie and too much spare time.

I don't know the validity of Milbank's story (ie - who said it, was the person "within earshot" of Palin, etc). If someone said "kill him" at a McCain/Palin rally (which I would never be at in the first place), I would have a few choice words for him myself. That type of language, etc should not be tolerated and I have a HUGE problem believing that this occurred and that everyone just sat there, etc. I wasn't there so I don't know, but despite what some may think, your average conservative does NOT approve of this kind of BS.

I'm talking about nonsense like this being used to call the average conservative racist, etc. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon and claims that conservatives support this kind of BS. WE DON'T!!!!! (at least even-minded conservatives like me):

http://prince.org/msg/105/285344

http://prince.org/msg/105/285551

Stymie said:

There is one orger who is a COMPLETE RACIST who should be banned from this board but will never be.

http://uk.youtube.com/wat...jo85WhbYqM

CliffClaven said:

Stymie said:

how do I know? None of them and I mean NONE have condemned what has transpired the last 2 weeks or so.

Show me where a liberal has condemned the story above. Or this:



The point is candidates can't go around apologizing for a the few idiots who make asses of themselves from either party! Agreed?
[Edited 10/14/08 20:27pm]

Anxiety said:

CliffClaven said:

Show me where a liberal has condemned the story above. Or this:



The point is candidates can't go around apologizing for a the few idiots who make asses of themselves from either party! Agreed?
[Edited 10/14/08 20:27pm]

i agree in as much as to say that neither party has a monopoly on classless idiots who pull dumbass embarrassing stunts.

but enough about the candidates!

seriously, i don't think we can debate that both sides have people who think it's cute to wear offensive t-shirts and vandalise campaign signs and whatnot.

when people actually catcall threats at rallies, i think that's something that needs to be handled and addressed, and the public needs to understand that the G.O.P. won't tolerate threats and violent hate speech against the other candidate.

There is one orger who is a COMPLETE RACIST who should be banned from this board but will never be.

http://uk.youtube.com/wat...jo85WhbYqM

Stymie said:

New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas!

Jealousy/Of what are we/Becomes tendency/For their thievery

CliffClaven said:

Anxiety said:

i agree in as much as to say that neither party has a monopoly on classless idiots who pull dumbass embarrassing stunts.

but enough about the candidates!

seriously, i don't think we can debate that both sides have people who think it's cute to wear offensive t-shirts and vandalise campaign signs and whatnot.

when people actually catcall threats at rallies, i think that's something that needs to be handled and addressed, and the public needs to understand that the G.O.P. won't tolerate threats and violent hate speech against the other candidate.

Who, other than Milbank, heard this? You're taking ONE story with no witnesses to smear republicans in the rally. I find it VERY hard to believe that anyone heard this and if it was heard that it wasn't dealt with! Please show me some proof that this happened and that nothing was done! Please! Please!!!

CliffClaven said:

Stymie said:

Whatever dude. By remaining silent, you guys are giving approval.

Now you're just being silly!

New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas!

Jealousy/Of what are we/Becomes tendency/For their thievery

Anxiety said:

There is one orger who is a COMPLETE RACIST who should be banned from this board but will never be.

http://uk.youtube.com/wat...jo85WhbYqM

MuthaFunka said:

CliffClaven said:

Now you're just being silly!

TRANSLATION: "Yeah, ya got me there!"

There is one orger who is a COMPLETE RACIST who should be banned from this board but will never be.

http://uk.youtube.com/wat...jo85WhbYqM

CliffClaven said:

CliffClaven said:

CliffClaven said:

are three sources good enough or should i keep going?

CliffClaven said:

Stymie said:

how do I know? None of them and I mean NONE have condemned what has transpired the last 2 weeks or so.

Show me where a liberal has condemned the story above. Or this:



The point is candidates can't go around apologizing for a the few idiots who make asses of themselves from either party! Agreed?
[Edited 10/14/08 20:27pm]

Stymie said:

CliffClaven said:

Show me where a liberal has condemned the story above. Or this:



The point is candidates can't go around apologizing for a the few idiots who make asses of themselves from either party! Agreed?
[Edited 10/14/08 20:27pm]

I just condemned it on this thread. What are you talking about? And for the record, I have been one of the most vocal critics of people using derogatory language about Sarah Palin in this forum so you can quit that noise, too.

Calling Palin a cunt is a hell of a lot different that saying kill someone. If you can't see that, I can't help you.

I missed all the fun.

What it seems we can agree on is that jerks, a-holes and idiots were jerks, a-holes and idiots probably prior to assuming any political affiliation.
They may not even have one.


It's boorish and often wrong regardless of who they believe they are supporting or helping.
We need a better level of political discourse where candidates are tempted to encourage ignorant behavior.

CliffClaven said:

MuthaFunka said:

CliffClaven said:

Now you're just being silly!

TRANSLATION: "Yeah, ya got me there!"

imo, Republicans, here and on the campaign trail, have exploited the left's willingness to criticize their own shortcomings. there have always been discussions between various parts of the left - most recently, the split between Hillary and Obama supporters. everybody agrees that Palin would not have been nominated if Hillary would have been the candidate for president or vice president. for once, this has backfired on them - Hillary supporters did not run for the McCain/Palin ticket in droves, and the lack of depth of Palin's knowledge has been shown very clearly.

same thing here. the "lefties" have criticized actions on their side of the spectrum, while the right-wingers have been mum on the ridiculous smears on their side.

add to that the easily debunked comparisons asserted by the right - damaging a yard sign, while stupid and wrong, is in no way comparable to the calls to kill a presidential candidate. the Obama/Biden ticket has been nothing but respectful toward McCain, and has said practically nothing about Palin. and McCain and Palin have denied any sort of responsibility for whipping their crowds into a frenzy. the comparisons are simply spin, nothing else.