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The lies Palin and her cronies told

http://news.yahoo.com/sto...ct_check_7

Attacks, praise stretch truth
Bookmarks Print By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer Jim Kuhnhenn, Associated Press Writer – Wed Sep 3, 11:19 pm ET



ST. PAUL, Minn. – John McCain supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.

Some examples:

PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."

THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.

Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.

He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.

THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where McCain called Alaska the largest state in America, he could as easily have called it the 47th largest state -- by population.

MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.

THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.

FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right -- change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington -- throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."

THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.

FORMER NEW YORK MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI: "Then he ran for the state legislature and he got elected -- and nearly 130 times he couldn't make a decision. He couldn't figure out whether to vote yes or no. It was too tough. He voted, he voted 'present.' I didn't know about this vote 'present' when I was mayor of New York City. Sarah Palin didn't have this vote present when she was mayor or governor. You don't get present, it doesn't work in an executive job."

THE FACTS: It's true that Obama voted "present" dozens of times, among the thousands of votes he cast in an eight-year span as a member of the Illinois Senate. Illinois lawmakers commonly vote that way on a variety of issues for technical, legal or strategic reasons. Obama, for instance, voted "present" on some abortion measures to encourage wavering legislators to do the same instead of voting "yes." Their "present" votes had the same effect as "no" votes and helped defeat the bills. Voting this way also can be a way to duck a difficult issue, although that's difficult to prove.

Associated Press Writer Jim Drinkard in Washington contributed to this report.

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Reply #1 posted 09/04/08 5:57am

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there's the pesky media again, with their "facts" and "figures" rolleyes

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Reply #2 posted 09/04/08 6:17am

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

there's the pesky media again, with their "facts" and "figures" rolleyes


LOL! I can't wait until Factcheck.org is through with her! giggle

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Reply #3 posted 09/04/08 6:23am

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Wow.
Republicans lie?????
really?????


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pshhhawww there goes the liberal media again talk to the hand





lol

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He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.


'Nuff said.

That right there would send additional corporations over seas, and reduce the incentives for small business owners. A Small Business making $250,000 a year represents about 3-5 employees per company and an owner that is definitely not rich.

That would absolutely cripple our economy right now. We have some ground to gain and this is not going to cut it. Many of those small business (along with the jobs they provide) would be waving bye bye.

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MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.

THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.



This is just one example...chosen due to it's blatancy....

This "Fact" takes the comments out of context. McCain doesn't claim that a governor has any leadership responsibilities once those units are deployed. He claims that she has had National Security as a responsibility. That is true. Until those units are deployed, they are her responsibility. As New York SHOULD HAVE proven, National Security is not always over seas.

I'm not sure where this article is from, but it's definitely a left leaning article. Gotta love the Obamabots at work

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seekingtruth said:

I'm not sure where this article is from, but it's definitely a left leaning article. Gotta love the Obamabots at work


and that is because...?

...because the right does not care about factchecking?

gotta love the corporate bots at work

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FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right -- change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington -- throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."

THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.


The republican Washington has been far from conservative....admittedly.

As conservative as Bush is on some issues, his policies have not reflected it and the republican congress/senate very admittedly dropped the ball in supporting the conservative agenda.

Another stretch.

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BombSquad said:

seekingtruth said:

I'm not sure where this article is from, but it's definitely a left leaning article. Gotta love the Obamabots at work


and that is because...?

...because the right does not care about factchecking?

gotta love the corporate bots at work


Oh I've done plenty fact checking....

Rezko
Ayers
Baby Born Alive Act
No Experience for Obama

All things that would totally nullify any chance of Obama being considered if the LEFT would consider any form of factchecking.

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seekingtruth said:

FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right -- change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington -- throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."

THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.


The republican Washington has been far from conservative....admittedly.

As conservative as Bush is on some issues, his policies have not reflected it and the republican congress/senate very admittedly dropped the ball in supporting the conservative agenda.

Another stretch.


Of course my favorite fact check was in Giuliani's speech last night. I was hoping he would bring it up because it proves Obama's total lack of knowledge when it comes to foreign affairs.....

He actually proposed (3 chance by the way) to seek actions against Russia through an organization in which Russia has veto power.....gotta love it.

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weren't you the one who made some "factchecking" on evolution in the past, and came to the conclusion that there are just too many inconsitencies? inconsitencies which 99.9 percent of the scientists who are experts on the subject and studied it for decades couldn't see, but you thankfully could? Hallelujah, you must be the Messiah of factfinding!

sweet jebus...
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seekingtruth said:

BombSquad said:



and that is because...?

...because the right does not care about factchecking?

gotta love the corporate bots at work


Oh I've done plenty fact checking....

Rezko
Ayers
Baby Born Alive Act
No Experience for Obama

All things that would totally nullify any chance of Obama being considered if the LEFT would consider any form of factchecking.


oh fuck Obummer, I don't care about this fraud. this thread is about GOP lies.

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Reply #13 posted 09/04/08 7:45am

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

there's the pesky media again, with their "facts" and "figures" rolleyes


not to say i told you so... lol

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Reply #14 posted 09/04/08 7:49am

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Efan said:



PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."



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BombSquad said:

weren't you the one who made some "factchecking" on evolution in the past, and came to the conclusion that there are just too many inconsitencies? inconsitencies which 99.9 percent of the scientists who are experts on the subject and studied it for decades couldn't see, but you thankfully could? Hallelujah, you must be the Messiah of factfinding!

sweet jebus...
[Edited 9/4/08 7:42am]



If you look into those 'consistencies' you would see that they are just as provable as the bull crap called Global Warming.....
Another science that 'thousands of scientists' consent to, but has been irrefutably disproven according to the proof they attempted to use.
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If you look into those 'consistencies' you would see that they are just as provable as the bull crap called Global Warming.....
Another science that 'thousands of scientists' consent to, but has been irrefutably disproven according to the proof they attempted to use.

I've already "looked into" the evidence doing my own research and I made my own conclusion, thank you. it is beyond me how one can think decades of science and studies could be washed away with your LACK of education and your IGNORANCE and a simple "it's not true".
hate to break it to you, but you are NOT smarter than the scientific community. to assume otherwise, does not even deserve to be called arrogant, it's just plain idiotic.

and as for your utter ignorance on global warming... oh nvmnd, as I assumed, you're just another corporate bot
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Considering how much the Republicans look down on and last night booed the idea of performing community service, I hope the audience responds in kind when McCain starts pandering on Sept. 11 to a panel about community service:

http://www.allheadlinenew...7012033670

McCain, Obama To Speak At 9/11 Forum On Community Service

Washington, D.C. (AHN) - Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Barack Obama (D-IL) will both be participating at a forum on volunteerism and community service set for Sept. 11.

The candidates will discuss separately their plans and thoughts about "the role of citizenship and service in post-9/11 America" on the first night of the forum. The two-day summit, called "A Nation of Service," will coincide with the the seventh anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, and the annual "Tribute in Light"ceremony near Ground Zero. It will be moderated by Time magazine managing editor Richard Stengel.

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Efan said:

Considering how much the Republicans look down on and last night booed the idea of performing community service, I hope the audience responds in kind when McCain starts pandering on Sept. 11 to a panel about community service:

http://www.allheadlinenew...7012033670

McCain, Obama To Speak At 9/11 Forum On Community Service

Washington, D.C. (AHN) - Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Barack Obama (D-IL) will both be participating at a forum on volunteerism and community service set for Sept. 11.

The candidates will discuss separately their plans and thoughts about "the role of citizenship and service in post-9/11 America" on the first night of the forum. The two-day summit, called "A Nation of Service," will coincide with the the seventh anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, and the annual "Tribute in Light"ceremony near Ground Zero. It will be moderated by Time magazine managing editor Richard Stengel.


oh brilliant! lol

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Reply #19 posted 09/04/08 8:35am

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I was just about to post this.

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These seemed way too long to quote, so I'll just post the links. People are on fire debunking the claims in this great orator's speech.

http://www.cbsnews.com/st...4049.shtml

http://www.samefacts.com/...eality.php

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/...where.aspx

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well, technically speaking, she's honest - she said "thanks" before she said "but no thanks" lol

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MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.

THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.



This is just one example...chosen due to it's blatancy....

This "Fact" takes the comments out of context. McCain doesn't claim that a governor has any leadership responsibilities once those units are deployed. He claims that she has had National Security as a responsibility. That is true. Until those units are deployed, they are her responsibility. As New York SHOULD HAVE proven, National Security is not always over seas.

I'm not sure where this article is from, but it's definitely a left leaning article. Gotta love the Obamabots at work



How in the hell is dispatching some National Guard Troops to help fight some fires a NATIONAL SECURITY responsibility? Did she succeed in getting Alaska separated from the rest of the nation and neglected to tell the rest of us? If were talking National Security responsibilities wouldn't they have to include efforts that have something, anything to do with the security of the NATION?
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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

seekingtruth said:




This is just one example...chosen due to it's blatancy....

This "Fact" takes the comments out of context. McCain doesn't claim that a governor has any leadership responsibilities once those units are deployed. He claims that she has had National Security as a responsibility. That is true. Until those units are deployed, they are her responsibility. As New York SHOULD HAVE proven, National Security is not always over seas.

I'm not sure where this article is from, but it's definitely a left leaning article. Gotta love the Obamabots at work



How in the hell is dispatching some National Guard Troops to help fight some fires a NATIONAL SECURITY responsibility? Did she succeed in getting Alaska separated from the rest of the nation and neglected to tell the rest of us? If were talking National Security responsibilities wouldn't they have to include efforts that have something, anything to do with the security of the NATION?
[Edited 9/4/08 9:41am]


that's why Tucker didn't go there.

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:




How in the hell is dispatching some National Guard Troops to help fight some fires a NATIONAL SECURITY responsibility? Did she succeed in getting Alaska separated from the rest of the nation and neglected to tell the rest of us? If were talking National Security responsibilities wouldn't they have to include efforts that have something, anything to do with the security of the NATION?
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that's why Tucker didn't go there.


he didn't go anywhere. lol

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Anxiety said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:



that's why Tucker didn't go there.


he didn't go anywhere. lol


other than crying to his boss afterwards about how mean Campbell Brown was to him! lol

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:




How in the hell is dispatching some National Guard Troops to help fight some fires a NATIONAL SECURITY responsibility? Did she succeed in getting Alaska separated from the rest of the nation and neglected to tell the rest of us? If were talking National Security responsibilities wouldn't they have to include efforts that have something, anything to do with the security of the NATION?
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that's why Tucker didn't go there.


LOL! I mean come on! I know some folks are just down home people and they don't really want or expect much from their government so if they can hear a bunch of one-liners with a few U S A, U S A's thrown in, they're happy but what about the reality of the mess that our country is in because these same people fell for that same ol' okie doke twice in 8 years? Are the rest of us going to just sit back and watch as they continue to steer this country on a one-way course straight to hell and us with it?
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YES WE DID!!! President Barack Obama!!!

It's time to Speak On It, America!
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seekingtruth said:

MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.

THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.



This is just one example...chosen due to it's blatancy....

This "Fact" takes the comments out of context. McCain doesn't claim that a governor has any leadership responsibilities once those units are deployed. He claims that she has had National Security as a responsibility. That is true. Until those units are deployed, they are her responsibility. As New York SHOULD HAVE proven, National Security is not always over seas.

I'm not sure where this article is from, but it's definitely a lef
t leaning article. Gotta love the Obamabots at work


And who'se response in New York is remembered? The Mayor's and the Presidents.
Not the New York National Guard.
I guess you buy that line that being assigned that as part of your job duties, means you are active and hands on?
That being governor means you even know anything past a photo-op?
The sheep keep eating what they're fed . . . . .

Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.


Which is why we have P & R!
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