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superspaceboy

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I think this may be the final nail in the coffin:Alaska Independance Day!

I knew she was all about ALASKA ALASKA ALASKA, but I didn't know this...

http://www.cbsnews.com/st...7224.shtml

The Alaska Independence Party
By Steve Benen

(Political Animal) THE ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY.... What may prove to be the single most damaging angle to Sarah Palin's role on the Republican Party ticket? There are quite a few contenders (ethics scandal, earmarks, inexperience, outside-the-mainstream views), but following up on Hilzoy's item from last night, Palin's association with the Alaska Independence Party might be the most politically detrimental.

It's practically impossible to make a "Country First" argument when your running mate is affiliated with a political party that puts country second.


Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which since the 1970s has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

"We are a state's rights party," Clark -- a self-employed goldminer -- tells ABC News. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."

For all the talk about Barack and Michelle Obama's patriotism, John McCain's running mate was a member of a political party that liked the idea of seceding from the United States altogether. It's the kind of idea that would have been more common in the 1850s.

Advocating secession is, practically by definition, un-American. How does the right go after Obama's patriotism while supporting a ticket with a candidate who joined a secessionist party?

We are, after all, talking about a party founded by a man who said, "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." The same man, AIP founder Joe Vogler, also said, "[T]he fires of Hell are glaciers compared to my hate for the American government."

How is this any better than Jeremiah Wright? Why would Sarah Palin voluntarily join this man's political party?

Complicating matters, Marc Ambinder has a video of a AIP leader explaining that party members "must 'infiltrate' -- his words -- the other two parties and push for the cause of Alaskan independence."

I suspect McCain and his aides didn't know about any of this. Indeed, they couldn't have -- they didn't vet her. But now that this revelation has come to light, what's the defense?


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Reply #1 posted 09/02/08 1:28pm

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Now I am starting to wish this would have come out next week after she accecpted the nomination. I think too much is coming out on purpose and so the Republicans will be forced to pick a better candidate.


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Reply #2 posted 09/02/08 1:28pm

Stymie

oh.my.god!!! falloff

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Reply #3 posted 09/02/08 1:41pm

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Reply #4 posted 09/02/08 1:45pm

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superspaceboy said:

Now I am starting to wish this would have come out next week after she accecpted the nomination. I think too much is coming out on purpose and so the Republicans will be forced to pick a better candidate.


Unless you mean a better Presidential candidate, I don't think it'll much matter.

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Reply #5 posted 09/02/08 3:10pm

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This is just pure comedy! I'm beginning to think Ashton Kutcher is behind this and the whole country is being simultaneously PUNK'D!!! falloff

http://www.huffingtonpost...23310.html

Secessionist Palin Story: McCain Camp Pushes Back

Last night, ABC's Jake Tapper reported that officials of a fringe Alaska party once counted Sarah Palin as a member:

Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.


And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

John McCain's campaign reports of her membership in AIP "smears," blaming them on Barack Obama's campaign and Daily Kos. They also sent around Palin's voter registration document, showing her to have been a registered Republican since 1982.

However, TPMmuckraker reports that Palin's husband's affiliation with the group can't be disputed:

This afternoon, the director of Division of Elections in Alaska, Gail Fenumiai, told TPMmuckraker that Todd Palin registered in October 1995 to the Alaska Independence Party, a radical group that advocates for Alaskan secession from the United States.


Besides a short period of a few months in 2000 when he changed his registration to undeclared, Todd Palin remained a registered member of AIP until July 2002 when he registered again as an undeclared voter.

And today, ABC reports that Sarah Palin did attend the 1994 Alaska Independence Party convention:

As part of their pushback against the charges of Lynette and Dexter Clark of the AIP, the McCain campaign says that Palin did not even attend the AIP convention in Wasilla in 1994.


But another former AIP official -- Mark Chryson, chairman of the AIP from 1995 to 2002 -- tells ABC News that "Palin was at the convention in 1994. She was there."

And AIP's Lynette Clark still insists that the governor was a member. "This is like a cat covering up crap in its litter box," she said.

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Reply #6 posted 09/02/08 3:12pm

Stymie

"This is like a cat covering up crap in its litter box," she said.

falloff

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Reply #7 posted 09/02/08 3:17pm

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oh.

my.

freaking.

god!


what the hell is going on with the mccain campaign and the republicans?!?!?! they have got to drop her like a hot potato! she is poison to their party and ticket!

this is the dumbest thing i have ever seen in politics. 5 days with several new scandals a day! this woman's closet is bursting at the hinges there's so many skeletons in there.

i can not believe they did not vet her!

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Reply #8 posted 09/02/08 3:56pm

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Lord everyone is in such a hurry they aren't getting the facts right.

Tom her husband was a member, not Sarah.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...n_politics

ST. PAUL, Minn. - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's husband, Todd, twice registered as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a fierce states' rights group that wants to turn all federal lands in Alaska back to the state. Sarah Palin herself was never a member of the party, according to state officials.
[Edited 9/2/08 15:57pm]

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Reply #9 posted 09/02/08 4:25pm

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cborgman said:

oh.

my.

freaking.

god!


what the hell is going on with the mccain campaign and the republicans?!?!?! they have got to drop her like a hot potato! she is poison to their party and ticket!

this is the dumbest thing i have ever seen in politics. 5 days with several new scandals a day! this woman's closet is bursting at the hinges there's so many skeletons in there.

i can not believe they did not vet her!




Maybe Pops thinks he's running for President of Alaska? lol

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Reply #10 posted 09/02/08 4:26pm

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Stymie said:

"This is like a cat covering up crap in its litter box," she said.

falloff


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Reply #11 posted 09/02/08 4:27pm

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cborgman said:

oh.

my.

freaking.

god!


what the hell is going on with the mccain campaign and the republicans?!?!?! they have got to drop her like a hot potato! she is poison to their party and ticket!

this is the dumbest thing i have ever seen in politics. 5 days with several new scandals a day! this woman's closet is bursting at the hinges there's so many skeletons in there.

i can not believe they did not vet her!


They are screwed no matter what they do.


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Reply #12 posted 09/02/08 4:28pm

superspaceboy

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lazycrockett said:

Lord everyone is in such a hurry they aren't getting the facts right.

Tom her husband was a member, not Sarah.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...n_politics

ST. PAUL, Minn. - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's husband, Todd, twice registered as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a fierce states' rights group that wants to turn all federal lands in Alaska back to the state. Sarah Palin herself was never a member of the party, according to state officials.
[Edited 9/2/08 15:57pm]


And Tom had the DUI too...NOT Sarah! Although I am pretty certian Tom did not have the baby this year. biggrin


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Reply #13 posted 09/02/08 4:29pm

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I heard she said she would chase Osama Bin Laden to the gates of New Stuyahok!

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Reply #14 posted 09/02/08 4:30pm

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2the9s said:

I heard she said she would chase Osama Bin Laden to the gates of New Stuyahok!

biggrin


hug


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Reply #15 posted 09/02/08 4:31pm

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2the9s said:

I heard she said she would chase Osama Bin Laden to the gates of New Stuyahok!

biggrin


spit

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Reply #16 posted 09/02/08 4:32pm

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2the9s said:

I heard she said she would chase Osama Bin Laden to the gates of New Stuyahok!

biggrin

Is that next door to Iraq? If so, we've hit the foreign policy bonanza! woot!

I stay Woke.

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Reply #17 posted 09/02/08 4:32pm

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cborgman said:

2the9s said:

I heard she said she would chase Osama Bin Laden to the gates of New Stuyahok!

biggrin


spit

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I just love how innocent that emoticon looks as it grabs for the cup and takes a sip lol

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Reply #18 posted 09/02/08 4:33pm

foal30

why is that opportunistic bum Joe Liberman speaking at the RNC

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Reply #19 posted 09/02/08 4:35pm

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foal30 said:

why is that opportunistic bum Joe Liberman speaking at the RNC

Have to keep up appearances smile Let's see if he could put on as good a face as Hillary knowing he was *that* close to the VP nom lol

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Reply #20 posted 09/02/08 4:35pm

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foal30 said:

why is that opportunistic bum Joe Liberman speaking at the RNC


maybe he is replacing palin.

he'd be stupid to do so at this point, but... it is lieberman.

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Reply #21 posted 09/02/08 4:36pm

SupaFunkyOrgan
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cborgman said:

foal30 said:

why is that opportunistic bum Joe Liberman speaking at the RNC


maybe he is replacing palin.

he'd be stupid to do so at this point, but... it is lieberman.

would the conservatives feel betrayed since they are so stupid to be backing this chick they don't even know?

I stay Woke.

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Reply #22 posted 09/02/08 4:36pm

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It's kinda telling how the Republicans on this site suddenly seem to have abandoned this forum .. they were all over the first Palin thread. biggrin

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Reply #23 posted 09/02/08 4:39pm

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lazycrockett said:

Lord everyone is in such a hurry they aren't getting the facts right.

Tom her husband was a member, not Sarah.


Dang, I guess that makes it ok. I'm sure that Republicans wouldn't mind if Michelle Obama was a member of the Nation of Islam or Black Panther Party. neutral

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Reply #24 posted 09/02/08 4:39pm

foal30

surely this is the last bridge he can burn.
anyway I shouldn't get worked up over him, given the large number of criminals he will shortly be addressing.

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Reply #25 posted 09/02/08 4:40pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

cborgman said:



maybe he is replacing palin.

he'd be stupid to do so at this point, but... it is lieberman.

would the conservatives feel betrayed since they are so stupid to be backing this chick they don't even know?


i am amazed that anyone in their right mind is backing her. but they look like fools if they drop her. they look like fools if they keep her too.

it's so weird. i can't get over it. they're betting the farm on this woman.

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Reply #26 posted 09/02/08 4:41pm

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cborgman said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


would the conservatives feel betrayed since they are so stupid to be backing this chick they don't even know?


i am amazed that anyone in their right mind is backing her. but they look like fools if they drop her. they look like fools if they keep her too.

it's so weird. i can't get over it. they're betting the farm on this woman.

betting

the

farm

on

her


Say it slowly and think about that.....

I stay Woke.

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foal30 said:

surely this is the last bridge he can burn.
anyway I shouldn't get worked up over him, given the large number of criminals he will shortly be addressing.


Now he's actually burning the bridge to nowhere!

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Reply #28 posted 09/02/08 4:44pm

Stymie

2the9s said:

I heard she said she would chase Osama Bin Laden to the gates of New Stuyahok!

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hug I love you David.

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Reply #29 posted 09/02/08 4:44pm

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2the9s said:

foal30 said:

surely this is the last bridge he can burn.
anyway I shouldn't get worked up over him, given the large number of criminals he will shortly be addressing.


Now he's actually burning the bridge to nowhere!

biggrin


spit

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