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Gustav and the RNC...

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Reply #1 posted 08/30/08 10:27pm

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Reply #2 posted 08/30/08 10:34pm

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If McCain turns the convention into a telethon type deal to help the red cross and other types its a brilliant move, cause it separates him from Bush's failure of Katrina. Also if W. decides he needs to be in DC and oversee the relief efforts, then McCain will have no images of Bush at his party. Another win.

If this happens, and its a big IF, McCain will come off as a caring, concerned for people, bucking the system maverick.

Its a PR wet dream.

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Reply #3 posted 08/30/08 11:57pm

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If they try to use the DNC as a fund raiser, it'll look like they have ulterior motives.

Nobody wants to see a political convention masquerading as a fundraiser.

Just postpone the damn thing.

People can watch them parade old white men with old white man values some other time. Right now, we're on the brink of a major natural disaster.

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Reply #4 posted 08/31/08 12:17am

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Paris9748430 said:

If they try to use the DNC as a fund raiser, it'll look like they have ulterior motives.

Nobody wants to see a political convention masquerading as a fundraiser.

Just postpone the damn thing.

People can watch them parade old white men with old white man values some other time. Right now, we're on the brink of a major natural disaster.



what?

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Reply #5 posted 08/31/08 12:23am

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lazycrockett said:

Paris9748430 said:

If they try to use the DNC as a fund raiser, it'll look like they have ulterior motives.

Nobody wants to see a political convention masquerading as a fundraiser.

Just postpone the damn thing.

People can watch them parade old white men with old white man values some other time. Right now, we're on the brink of a major natural disaster.



what?


What I'm basically trying to say is that they shouldn't be holding a convention when a major U.S. city might be underwater for the 2nd time in 3 years.

And they damn sure shouldn't try to turn the convention into a fundraiser.

'Cause when Politicians ask for money it ALWAYS goes where it's supposed to go, right???

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Reply #6 posted 08/31/08 12:29am

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If they decide to cancel the RNC, it's only because they don't wanna be upstaged by Gustav - all the attention will be on that. Thing is, McLame hopes and prays the Reps handle THIS hurricane correctly, or else people will certainly connect another botched emergency with the Reps and that spells disaster for his campaign.

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Reply #7 posted 08/31/08 12:30am

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Bottomline is, McCain knows what he's doing. As out of touch and Bush-lite as many dems want to paint him, he's simply not, and he's apparently well aware of the best way to handle this oncoming, literal and figurative, storm.

In the last week the man has managed to not only keep Obama's bump after what was one of the greatest political speeches of the modern era to no more than a single digits, but to gain a VP that has gotten the Christian right via Dobson to say 'pull that lever' and if you don't understand the significance of that, you're the one out of touch, and don't realize who ultimately beat Gore and Kerry in 2000 and 2004 -- the evangelicals of America.

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Reply #8 posted 08/31/08 12:32am

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Paris9748430 said:

lazycrockett said:




what?


What I'm basically trying to say is that they shouldn't be holding a convention when a major U.S. city might be underwater for the 2nd time in 3 years.

And they damn sure shouldn't try to turn the convention into a fundraiser.

'Cause when Politicians ask for money it ALWAYS goes where it's supposed to go, right???


Oh you meant the GOP convention.

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Reply #9 posted 08/31/08 12:34am

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Wall said:

Bottomline is, McCain knows what he's doing. As out of touch and Bush-lite as many dems want to paint him, he's simply not, and he's apparently well aware of the best way to handle this oncoming, literal and figurative, storm.

In the last week the man has managed to not only keep Obama's bump after what was one of the greatest political speeches of the modern era to no more than a single digits, but to gain a VP that has gotten the Christian right via Dobson to say 'pull that lever' and if you don't understand the significance of that, you're the one out of touch, and don't realize who ultimately beat Gore and Kerry in 2000 and 2004 -- the evangelicals of America.

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well don't count those chickens yet, palin still has to perform. I give it to McCain he did a bold stroke,but Palin has to come off at the very least smart.

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Reply #10 posted 08/31/08 12:37am

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All Palin has to do is look pretty, smile and answer her questions in a cohesive manner. She's pro-life and, as impossible as it seems anyone could be in this current age, a supporter of 'intelligent design', aka a moron, and that's all the drones of the right need to hear to get on the McCain bus.
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Oh i give her cred cause shes passionate bout her beliefs. I don't agree with them but at least she up front and proud of them. She's real.

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Reply #12 posted 08/31/08 12:44am

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Wall said:

Bottomline is, McCain knows what he's doing. As out of touch and Bush-lite as many dems want to paint him, he's simply not, and he's apparently well aware of the best way to handle this oncoming, literal and figurative, storm.

In the last week the man has managed to not only keep Obama's bump after what was one of the greatest political speeches of the modern era to no more than a single digits, but to gain a VP that has gotten the Christian right via Dobson to say 'pull that lever' and if you don't understand the significance of that, you're the one out of touch, and don't realize who ultimately beat Gore and Kerry in 2000 and 2004 -- the evangelicals of America.

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If anyone is being underestimated, it's the women voters that John McCain thinks he's gonna steal away from Obama just because his running mate has a lady parts.

In the next few weeks we're gonna find out that she's far from being a Hillary.

This country is moving away from those hot button issues that had evangelicals frothing at the mouth in '04.

Like it or not, this country is warming up to same sex marriage.

56 percent of the country doesn't want Roe v Wade overturned. That would be a majority.

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Reply #13 posted 08/31/08 12:49am

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Paris9748430 said:

Wall said:

Bottomline is, McCain knows what he's doing. As out of touch and Bush-lite as many dems want to paint him, he's simply not, and he's apparently well aware of the best way to handle this oncoming, literal and figurative, storm.

In the last week the man has managed to not only keep Obama's bump after what was one of the greatest political speeches of the modern era to no more than a single digits, but to gain a VP that has gotten the Christian right via Dobson to say 'pull that lever' and if you don't understand the significance of that, you're the one out of touch, and don't realize who ultimately beat Gore and Kerry in 2000 and 2004 -- the evangelicals of America.

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If anyone is being underestimated, it's the women voters that John McCain thinks he's gonna steal away from Obama just because his running mate has a lady parts.

In the next few weeks we're gonna find out that she's far from being a Hillary.

This country is moving away from those hot button issues that had evangelicals frothing at the mouth in '04.

Like it or not, this country is warming up to same sex marriage.

56 percent of the country doesn't want Roe v Wade overturned. That would be a majority.



NO hillary supporter is going to with Palin, that's not what shes bout. The Dems are taking the bait.

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Reply #14 posted 08/31/08 12:53am

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Here's a strange irony- before the Democratic convention a bunch of Christian Right Fundmentalist leaders actually said a prayer petitioning that God cause it to rain on Thursday night so as to ruin Obama's moment.

Thursday was beautiful.

Now on the scheduled beginning day of the Republican convention a huge storm is going to hit and even though it will be over a thousand miles from Minneapolis it is going to negatively impact their convention.

Hmmmmm..... simple coincidence or a spiritually humbling lesson for the Christian Right?

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Reply #15 posted 08/31/08 12:58am

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suddenly gods a democrat.

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Reply #16 posted 08/31/08 2:08am

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DakutiusMaximus said:

...a bunch of Christian Right Fundmentalist leaders actually said a prayer petitioning that God cause it to rain on Thursday night so as to ruin Obama's moment.


Link?

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Reply #17 posted 08/31/08 2:42am

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DakutiusMaximus said:

Here's a strange irony- before the Democratic convention a bunch of Christian Right Fundmentalist leaders actually said a prayer petitioning that God cause it to rain on Thursday night so as to ruin Obama's moment.

Thursday was beautiful.

Now on the scheduled beginning day of the Republican convention a huge storm is going to hit and even though it will be over a thousand miles from Minneapolis it is going to negatively impact their convention.

Hmmmmm..... simple coincidence or a spiritually humbling lesson for the Christian Right?


At some point these folks are going to have to face reality...they ain't Christlike, they ain't right, and ain't jack shit they have to say fundamental. They're a bunch of twisted sistas whose logic defies basic human brain computations.

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Reply #18 posted 08/31/08 2:53am

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If they decide to cancel the RNC, it's only because they don't wanna be upstaged by Gustav - all the attention will be on that. Thing is, McLame hopes and prays the Reps handle THIS hurricane correctly, or else people will certainly connect another botched emergency with the Reps and that spells disaster for his campaign.


At least he (or shall I say Karl Rove) realizes that partying up in the great state of Minnesota rolleyes while the people are at peril is a hard pill to swallow for normal human beings.

Really, they should just cancel the whole damn thing and call it a day, Gustav has reminded and rekindled those old painful memories of Bush and Katrina...memories we had almost forgotten, to our peril.

Let us not forget...Refugees in our (oops, I mean their) own country.

http://www.usatoday.com/n...sing_x.htm
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Reply #19 posted 08/31/08 3:51am

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Wall said:

DakutiusMaximus said:

...a bunch of Christian Right Fundmentalist leaders actually said a prayer petitioning that God cause it to rain on Thursday night so as to ruin Obama's moment.


Link?


http://www.star-telegram....53828.html

http://www.telegraph.co.u...ation.html

http://www.atlanticfreepr...w/4864/81/

http://www.swamppolitics....n_man.html

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Reply #20 posted 08/31/08 4:31am

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good lord people. it's probably going to be a huge disaster, and people are already trying to punk it for political gain.

people will likely die.

i mean... HELLO?

at least have the tact to not salivate over how much this disaster and the deaths of people can be used for political gain until AFTER it happens and we deal with it.



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Reply #21 posted 08/31/08 4:58am

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and you know, i realize they're not americans so not many will care, but at least 81 people are already dead.
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Reply #22 posted 08/31/08 5:24am

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cborgman said:

and you know, i realize they're not americans so not many will care, but at least 81 people are already dead.
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i was wondering about that. sad

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Reply #23 posted 08/31/08 6:15am

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I don't think the people who are saying "just cancel it" realize the logistics involved with a national convention. In canceling the convention, you extend a natural disaster in New Orleans to an economic disaster in the Twin Cities. Planes have been chartered, hotels have been booked, ground transportation has been arranged, food has been catered, etc. A lot of the people providing these things (especially the catering) are small businesses that are counting on this.

There is no reason the convention can't go on - in fact, it should. There is a nominating process that has to be completed. But there are ways of taking the celebratory aspect out of it - and I'm sure that's what they're looking at right now.

All of the Gulf Coast governors are Republicans. As such, they are all delegates to the convention. And all are staying home.
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Reply #24 posted 08/31/08 9:02am

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Genesia said:

I don't think the people who are saying "just cancel it" realize the logistics involved with a national convention. In canceling the convention, you extend a natural disaster in New Orleans to an economic disaster in the Twin Cities. Planes have been chartered, hotels have been booked, ground transportation has been arranged, food has been catered, etc. A lot of the people providing these things (especially the catering) are small businesses that are counting on this.

There is no reason the convention can't go on - in fact, it should. There is a nominating process that has to be completed. But there are ways of taking the celebratory aspect out of it - and I'm sure that's what they're looking at right now.

All of the Gulf Coast governors are Republicans. As such, they are all delegates to the convention. And all are staying home.
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Yea isn't amazing Barack goes to have his speech outside, imagine if it would have start pouring rain a few hours or minutes before.....hhhmmmmm.....but the weather was PERFECT! wink

But now here comes the RNC and their convention appears to be going to occur with coming disaster.....

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Reply #25 posted 08/31/08 9:13am

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AriesIII said:

MuthaFunka said:

If they decide to cancel the RNC, it's only because they don't wanna be upstaged by Gustav - all the attention will be on that. Thing is, McLame hopes and prays the Reps handle THIS hurricane correctly, or else people will certainly connect another botched emergency with the Reps and that spells disaster for his campaign.


At least he (or shall I say Karl Rove) realizes that partying up in the great state of Minnesota rolleyes while the people are at peril is a hard pill to swallow for normal human beings.

Really, they should just cancel the whole damn thing and call it a day, Gustav has reminded and rekindled those old painful memories of Bush and Katrina...memories we had almost forgotten, to our peril.

Let us not forget...Refugees in our (oops, I mean their) own country.

http://www.usatoday.com/n...sing_x.htm
[Edited 8/31/08 2:59am]


We ALL remember that bullshit.

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Reply #26 posted 08/31/08 9:17am

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Oh man, now they're using Gustav as an excuse to get rid of Bush from the convention. They must be terrified of putting him in the same room as McCain and create a photo-op.

From CNN:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney will not attend the GOP convention in St. Paul, Minnesota, because of Hurricane Gustav, White House press secretary Dana Perino said Sunday.


The Republican National Convention was set to kick off Monday in Minneapolis-St.Paul, Minnesota.

In addition, "substantial" changes to the Republican National Convention program will be announced Sunday because of the storm, two Republican officials said.

One option is delaying the planned Monday opening of the convention, both sources said, though one of the officials said "that has not been decided. We need a few more hours to look at all of the contingencies. But there will be some substantial adjustments."

Instead of attending, Bush is likely to address the convention's Monday session, if there is one, via satellite, other officials said. First lady Laura Bush is scheduled to attend.

The final decisions will be made after Rick Davis, a top campaign aide to Sen. John McCain, meets Sunday with convention planners in St. Paul.[...]

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Depends on which way you look at it.


Gustav, and its timing, will serve to remind the country that the GOP's administration completely failed in one of the most basic functions the executive branch has. It will reinforce the failures of the Republicans, who had complete control of the government at the time.


OR

An effective, competent response to Gustav by both the current administration and the presumptive GOP ticket will assure Americans that the GOP has learned from its mistakes, has been duly chastened by its failures, and can be trusted with the executive branch for another four years.

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namepeace said:

Depends on which way you look at it.


Gustav, and its timing, will serve to remind the country that the GOP's administration completely failed in one of the most basic functions the executive branch has. It will reinforce the failures of the Republicans, who had complete control of the government at the time.


OR

An effective, competent response to Gustav by both the current administration and the presumptive GOP ticket will assure Americans that the GOP has learned from its mistakes, has been duly chastened by its failures, and can be trusted with the executive branch for another four years.


if you go the red route, does that mean that McCain benefits from the lowered expectations of the Bush administration?

and what exactly has happened at FEMA, other than Brownie being gone, that should make us believe that they will do a better job this time? has the administration ever given the public an accounting of the changes?

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namepeace said:

Depends on which way you look at it.


Gustav, and its timing, will serve to remind the country that the GOP's administration completely failed in one of the most basic functions the executive branch has. It will reinforce the failures of the Republicans, who had complete control of the government at the time.




...and also remind us of the culpability of the Democrat Mayor of New Orleans and Governor of Louisiana who failed to implement the established evacuation plans of the city and state. The detailed plans included providing over 300,000 people transportation to evacuate. The Mayor's office (not federal government) is responsible for coordinating with the state on these evacuation plans and assist evacuees to the planned staging areas. The failure to competently implement the contigency plan lies squarely on the shoulders of the Mayor and Governor, thus resulting in thousands of unecessary deaths.
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