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Serial Killer on the loose in L.A. Victims all Black.

LAPD on the hunt for serial killer


Task force looking into the deaths of 11 in South Los Angeles have linked one man to the crimes using DNA evidence.
By Joel Rubin and Richard Winton, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
10:19 PM PDT, August 28, 2008

An elusive serial killer, linked to 10 slayings in South Los Angeles and Inglewood over nearly two decades, resurfaced early last year to kill again, Los Angeles police officials said.

Long stretches of time between known killings and a disjointed, often dormant investigation that spanned different generations of detectives left police unclear for years that a single man was behind the slayings. The latest slaying was tied conclusively to the others by DNA analysis in May 2007.



The latest from The Homicide Report,...The eleven unsolved slayings
"The day those tests came in, we realized we had a serial killer on our hands who has been active for 23 years," said LAPD Det. Dennis Kilcoyne, who heads a task force of seven detectives charged with solving the killings.

Except for one black man, the killer has targeted young black women. He sexually abused the women, detectives said, and left almost all of their bodies in a corridor along Western Avenue in South Los Angeles, often in alleys. Detectives suspect that most of the women were working as prostitutes at the time they were killed.

Kilcoyne and his team have been working quietly, trying to breathe life into the investigation without tipping off the killer. They have retraced cold leads and are collaborating with state officials on an exhaustive search of prison records. Detectives have begun examining nearly three dozen other cases that bear similarities to the serial killers' slayings. The latest killing was reported this week by the LA Weekly.


For more than two decades before that, however, the killer slipped on and off the LAPD's radar.

The first known slaying occurred in the summer of 1985, when 29-year-old Debra Jackson was shot three times in the chest, police said. Her body was left in an alley near West Gage Avenue. It was a particularly dark period for the city, when widespread cocaine use, rampant crime and vicious killings were rife in South L.A. Three years passed before police realized that something larger was occurring, when ballistics tests showed that the same handgun used to kill Jackson had been used in seven other killings.

Detectives handling the investigation were stymied. In late 1988, the killer shot a woman in the chest with the same gun, sexually assaulted her and "left her for dead," Kilcoyne said. She survived, giving police their first, albeit vague, description of the man as an African American in his mid-30s. She also described his car -- an orange Ford Pinto. The new information led detectives to pull registration records on every Pinto in Los Angeles County, Kilcoyne said, but the search led nowhere.

Then the trail went cold. For about 13 years, no new deaths were linked to the killer.

"Everything dried up. They ran out of clues, they got on to other things," Kilcoyne said of the detectives working the case. The cases "got moved further and further back on the shelf."

The killer had been all but forgotten until a few years ago, when recently developed DNA analysis technology made it clear he was still at large and still killing. In 2001, LAPD detectives under the direction of Police Chief Bernard C. Parks began delving into the thousands of unsolved cases that had built up over the years.

In 2004, Det. Cliff Shepard was poring over old murder cases from South L.A. and found a preserved DNA sample that was taken from the body of one of the killer's earlier victims. Analysis of the DNA showed conclusive similarities to samples found on the body of a 35-year-old woman killed in 2003 and on 14-year-old Princess Berthomieux, who was found strangled and beaten in an Inglewood alley in March 2002.

"All of a sudden we had two more," Kilcoyne said.

But, again, the case faded with detectives no closer to finding the killer. And again he seemed to disappear with no more killings tied to him.

In 2006, an Inglewood detective made headlines when he traveled to a Fresno prison to get a DNA sample from a 65-year-old white inmate who had made incriminating statements about killing prostitutes in L.A. to law enforcement officials. But tests showed he was not the killer.

Then, on the first day of 2007, a homeless man found the body of Janecia Peters, 25, on South Western Avenue. She had been shot and covered with a garbage bag. When DNA tests linked her killer to the earlier slayings, Police Chief William J. Bratton ordered Kilcoyne to launch the task force.

Investigator checked the killer's DNA against a federal DNA database of known criminals but found no matches.

One popular theory among detectives, Kilcoyne said, was that the killer was in prison during the two distinct periods when no killings were connected to him. Following that lead, investigators at the California Department of Corrections have been working with the LAPD task force to sort through a list of about 50,000 inmates from Los Angeles County who were convicted of violent crimes during one of those periods and do not have DNA samples on record. The two agencies are filtering the lists in search of men who were in prison during both periods of the killer's apparent inactivity.

But Kilcoyne said the killer may have just avoided detection and committed crimes that have not been connected to him. "We cannot be so arrogant to think that everything this guy has ever done came with an LAPD crime report attached to it," he said.

The task force has identified 33 old LAPD cases that have similarities to the killings and have begun the painstaking process of reviewing them. Task force members also automatically receive alerts when other LAPD detectives or uniformed cops report a homicide involving females found outdoors. They have visited more than 15 crime scenes, but none have had the marks of the suspect they are looking for.

One promising route the LAPD has not yet been able to try is comparing the serial killer's DNA with samples in the criminal database in search of one of his close relatives. The "familial searches" can be done, but only with the permission of Atty. Gen. Jerry Brown.

The technique is controversial, with critics calling it an invasion of privacy. A spokesperson for Brown declined to comment on whether, or when, Brown would approve a familial search on this case. LAPD Deputy Chief Charlie Beck, meanwhile, said the department "would love to pursue it if it becomes available."
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Reply #1 posted 08/30/08 9:31am

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I am confused as to why the word black needs to be in the title, a human killing a human is abhorrent, what has them being black got to do with it?

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mdiver said:

I am confused as to why the word black needs to be in the title, a human killing a human is abhorrent, what has them being black got to do with it?


Me too.

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Reply #3 posted 08/30/08 9:53am

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mdiver said:

I am confused as to why the word black needs to be in the title, a human killing a human is abhorrent, what has them being black got to do with it?

Probably because black serial killers are extremely rare.

What I'm wondering is why this was posted in the P&R forum lol lol...

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Reply #4 posted 08/30/08 9:57am

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Byron said:

mdiver said:

I am confused as to why the word black needs to be in the title, a human killing a human is abhorrent, what has them being black got to do with it?

Probably because black serial killers are extremely rare.

What I'm wondering is why this was posted in the P&R forum lol lol...

Pretty simple really, if this was a white serial killer, it would have BEEN on the news. National coverage.
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Reply #5 posted 08/30/08 10:02am

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Graycap23 said:

Byron said:


Probably because black serial killers are extremely rare.

What I'm wondering is why this was posted in the P&R forum lol lol...

Pretty simple really, if this was a white serial killer, it would have BEEN on he news. National coverage.

Didn't you get this from the L.A. Times?

And for the record, there have been TONS of white serial killers who have not gotten the national stage, either (trust me...I'm a absolutely obsessed true crime fan).

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Reply #6 posted 08/30/08 10:06am

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Byron said:

Graycap23 said:


Pretty simple really, if this was a white serial killer, it would have BEEN on he news. National coverage.

there have been TONS of white serial killers who have not gotten the national stage, either (trust me...I'm a absolutely obsessed true crime fan).

If they reported them all.....they would not have time 4 the other news stories.

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Reply #7 posted 08/30/08 10:15am

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Graycap23 said:

Byron said:


Probably because black serial killers are extremely rare.

What I'm wondering is why this was posted in the P&R forum lol lol...

Pretty simple really, if this was a white serial killer, it would have BEEN on the news. National coverage.
[Edited 8/30/08 10:05am]


I saw the news story reported this morning on MSNBC. They did not mention that the victims were all African American women nor did they say the killer was. Just that they had linked DNA to all the crime scenes and that the murders spanned over years.

Apparently the killer is at it again. neutral

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Reply #8 posted 08/30/08 10:18am

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Byron said:

mdiver said:

I am confused as to why the word black needs to be in the title, a human killing a human is abhorrent, what has them being black got to do with it?

Probably because black serial killers are extremely rare.

What I'm wondering is why this was posted in the P&R forum lol lol...



EXACTLY
If you say "serial killer" the public, by experience thinks 'a white male'.
That's what people will notice.
This man I think may also be on foot. It would be easier to approach and talk, and because you are not usually blocking traffic, it would attract little or no attention. You go to an alley, which a prostitute would likely do, and . . .

But he's in South L.A. where seeing a middle aged black man attracts less attention than young black males.

This is interesting.
He may not have been in prison but out of state. It's also hard to imagine that he would not be violent in prison, so being released would be less likely because of the violent acts adding to his sentence. He's not going to do 13 years in lock-up with no acts of violence, even if his target is presumably women. I also wonder if there have been any males killed with that same gun.
Which means there may not have been a 13 gap but murders attributed to gangs, drugs, or other, could also be his victims.
I hope the police aren't doing as they did in D.C. and only follow their standard model and look for him that way. You'd think they'd have learned something from that investigation.


I would love to work on this case. I would go work at the LAPD to work on it.
But I don't think I could get hired and start being assigned to that case. As a investigator checking leads or looking for patterns.
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Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.


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Reply #9 posted 08/30/08 10:22am

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DiminutiveRocker said:

Graycap23 said:


Pretty simple really, if this was a white serial killer, it would have BEEN on the news. National coverage.
[Edited 8/30/08 10:05am]


I saw the news story reported this morning on MSNBC. They did not mention that the victims were all African American women nor did they say the killer was. Just that they had linked DNA to all the crime scenes and that the murders spanned over years.

Apparently the killer is at it again. neutral


Except for one black man, the killer has targeted young black women.


But yeah, no one knows the killer's race, so putting him as a Black man is way premature.

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Reply #10 posted 08/30/08 10:25am

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Graycap23 said:

Byron said:


there have been TONS of white serial killers who have not gotten the national stage, either (trust me...I'm a absolutely obsessed true crime fan).

If they reported them all.....they would not have time 4 the other news stories.

Exactly...but you already said that if this guy had been white, he WOULD have been covered nationally. So you kind of contradicted yourself there.

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Reply #11 posted 08/30/08 10:25am

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Graycap23 said:

Byron said:


Probably because black serial killers are extremely rare.

What I'm wondering is why this was posted in the P&R forum lol lol...

Pretty simple really, if this was a white serial killer, it would have BEEN on the news. National coverage.
[Edited 8/30/08 10:05am]


And you would have also started the thread: "White Serial Killer on the loose in LA"??? rolleyes

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Reply #12 posted 08/30/08 10:26am

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MuthaFunka said:[quote]

DiminutiveRocker said:



Except for one black man, the killer has targeted young black women.


But yeah, no one knows the killer's race, so putting him as a Black man is way premature.

lol.....I guess I should edit that title, I'm talking about the black victims.

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Reply #13 posted 08/30/08 10:27am

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SUPRMAN said:

Byron said:


Probably because black serial killers are extremely rare.

What I'm wondering is why this was posted in the P&R forum lol lol...



EXACTLY
If you say "serial killer" the public, by experience thinks 'a white male'.
That's what people will notice.
This man I think may also be on foot. It would be easier to approach and talk, and because you are not usually blocking traffic, it would attract little or no attention. You go to an alley, which a prostitute would likely do, and . . .

But he's in South L.A. where seeing a middle aged black man attracts less attention than young black males.

This is interesting.
He may not have been in prison but out of state. It's also hard to imagine that he would not be violent in prison, so being released would be less likely because of the violent acts adding to his sentence. He's not going to do 13 years in lock-up with no acts of violence, even if his target is presumably women. I also wonder if there have been any males killed with that same gun.
Which means there may not have been a 13 gap but murders attributed to gangs, drugs, or other, could also be his victims.
I hope the police aren't doing as they did in D.C. and only follow their standard model and look for him that way. You'd think they'd have learned something from that investigation.

Sounds like you know a bit about true crime as well lol nod...I agree with all of that.

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MuthaFunka said:



But yeah, no one knows the killer's race, so putting him as a Black man is way premature.


That's why the title of the thread is confusing - at first read it kind of infers that the serial killer is black - his race at this point is unknown.

But yeah, reading the article it would seem it's mostly young black women. All the of the murder cases were cold in spite of being linked ballistically ... but now with the use of DNA testing, hopefully they can find this monster.

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Graycap23 said:

MuthaFunka said:



But yeah, no one knows the killer's race, so putting him as a Black man is way premature.

lol.....I guess I should edit that title, I'm talking about the black victims.


Oh! Ok, I see what you meant now.

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Reply #16 posted 08/30/08 10:29am

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DiminutiveRocker said:

MuthaFunka said:



But yeah, no one knows the killer's race, so putting him as a Black man is way premature.


That's why the title of the thread is confusing - at first read it kind of infers that the serial killer is black - his race at this point is unknown.

But yeah, reading the article it would seem it's mostly young black women. All the of the murder cases were cold in spite of being linked ballistically ... but now with the use of DNA testing, hopefully they can find this monster.

Um, not quite lol...

In late 1988, the killer shot a woman in the chest with the same gun, sexually assaulted her and "left her for dead," Kilcoyne said. She survived, giving police their first, albeit vague, description of the man as an African American in his mid-30s.

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Graycap23 said:

MuthaFunka said:



But yeah, no one knows the killer's race, so putting him as a Black man is way premature.

lol.....I guess I should edit that title, I'm talking about the black victims.

No, you were right the first time lol nod...

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Reply #18 posted 08/30/08 10:29am

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DiminutiveRocker said:



Except for one black man, the killer has targeted young black women.


But yeah, no one knows the killer's race, so putting him as a Black man is way premature.


I see the thread title has been edited.
[Edited 8/30/08 10:31am]

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MuthaFunka said:

Graycap23 said:


lol.....I guess I should edit that title, I'm talking about the black victims.


Oh! Ok, I see what you meant now.

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Byron said:[quote]

DiminutiveRocker said:


Um, not quite lol...

In late 1988, the killer shot a woman in the chest with the same gun, sexually assaulted her and "left her for dead," Kilcoyne said. She survived, giving police their first, albeit vague, description of the man as an African American in his mid-30s.


Well, there it is then. First the DC Sniper and now this cat. What's wrong with these cats?

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By the way, serial killers overwhelmingly stick to their own race when picking victims. If all the victims are black, it's almost a slam dunk that the serial killer is black as well.

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Graycap23 said:

MuthaFunka said:



Oh! Ok, I see what you meant now.

I should NEVER type a word before I'm fully awake.


You know that's that Petrone, dawg lol.

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Byron said:

By the way, serial killers overwhelmingly stick to their own race when picking victims. If all the victims are black, it's almost a slam dunk that the serial killer is black as well.


Except for Dahmer.

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Byron said:

Graycap23 said:


lol.....I guess I should edit that title, I'm talking about the black victims.

No, you were right the first time lol nod...

99% probable.

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Reply #25 posted 08/30/08 10:36am

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Graycap23 said:

Byron said:


No, you were right the first time lol nod...

99% probable.

Well, one of the victims said he was a black male in his 30's, so it's more like 100% lol nod...Your thread title was correct the first time.

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Reply #26 posted 08/30/08 10:37am

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MuthaFunka said:

Byron said:

By the way, serial killers overwhelmingly stick to their own race when picking victims. If all the victims are black, it's almost a slam dunk that the serial killer is black as well.


Except for Dahmer.

That's why I said "overwhelmingly" and not "always" lol...you do get the occasional diversity of victims, and if you do, it's usually with the victims being prostitutes. But generally you won't see serial killers crossing racial lines.

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Byron said:

Graycap23 said:


99% probable.

Well, one of the victims said he was a black male in his 30's, so it's more like 100% lol nod...Your thread title was correct the first time.

I'll bet that 1 guy was trying 2 protect one of the female victims.

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Byron said:

Graycap23 said:


99% probable.

Well, one of the victims said he was a black male in his 30's, so it's more like 100% lol nod...Your thread title was correct the first time.


Still, not 100% until they catch this mo-fo, but it's probably correct. Although she also said he had an orange Pinto and that led police to no where when they checked all the registrations (not that it was even is car).

It's amazing how these guys get away with it for so long in so many instances.

Doesn't anyone ever see him dumping the bodies?


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Reply #29 posted 08/30/08 10:44am

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Graycap23 said:

Byron said:


Well, one of the victims said he was a black male in his 30's, so it's more like 100% lol nod...Your thread title was correct the first time.

I'll bet that 1 guy was trying 2 protect one of the female victims.

They didn't say if the guy's body was found with another female victim's body which would probably happen if he were killed while trying to protect one of the female victims. I can't see him taking the time to dump two different bodies in two different places, not out in public like that.

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