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Who named slaves? This question might be about one of the more trivial aspects of slavery. (or not, depending how you view names' importance in terms of personal identity) I'd appreciate if anyone more versed on the subject of the slave trade would take a crack at it.
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And what about in cases where slave women were impregnated by their owners? Who named the child then? I know in a lot of cases these children became house workers and often were treated slightly better than the field workers were, so did the owner's directly have a hand in naming these mixed children? It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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That's actually an interesting question. I have to believe it was the slave owner that gave the names but there had to have been instances when the mother/father named them. Plus, most slaves couldn't read or write back then, so that would make it tougher as well. New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas! 
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MuthaFunka said: That's actually an interesting question. I have to believe it was the slave owner that gave the names but there had to have been instances when the mother/father named them. Plus, most slaves couldn't read or write back then, so that would make it tougher as well.
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MuthaFunka said: That's actually an interesting question. I have to believe it was the slave owner that gave the names but there had to have been instances when the mother/father named them. Plus, most slaves couldn't read or write back then, so that would make it tougher as well.
Maybe it depends on the size of the property or the number of slaves under one owner? If there were a lot of people, perhaps the owner or overseer couldn't be bothered with stopping to think up a name for each new piece of "property". Sort of like how on large ranches the cattle will get numbers instead of names. ? It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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MuthaFunka said: That's actually an interesting question. I have to believe it was the slave owner that gave the names but there had to have been instances when the mother/father named them. Plus, most slaves couldn't read or write back then, so that would make it tougher as well.
I wonder if, in cases where the parents were allowed to choose their children's names, the overseer or whoever was recording the name would change it if they thought the name was unsuitable? Probably, eh? It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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meow85 said: MuthaFunka said: That's actually an interesting question. I have to believe it was the slave owner that gave the names but there had to have been instances when the mother/father named them. Plus, most slaves couldn't read or write back then, so that would make it tougher as well.
Maybe it depends on the size of the property or the number of slaves under one owner? If there were a lot of people, perhaps the owner or overseer couldn't be bothered with stopping to think up a name for each new piece of "property". Sort of like how on large ranches the cattle will get numbers instead of names. ? Maybe so. I can see that happening. New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas!
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meow85 said: MuthaFunka said: That's actually an interesting question. I have to believe it was the slave owner that gave the names but there had to have been instances when the mother/father named them. Plus, most slaves couldn't read or write back then, so that would make it tougher as well.
I wonder if, in cases where the parents were allowed to choose their children's names, the overseer or whoever was recording the name would change it if they thought the name was unsuitable? Probably, eh? Good point. I can also see that happening. New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas!
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MuthaFunka said: meow85 said: I wonder if, in cases where the parents were allowed to choose their children's names, the overseer or whoever was recording the name would change it if they thought the name was unsuitable? Probably, eh? Good point. I can also see that happening. Me too. I remember reading this book as a kid that was set during the tail end of the slavery years. The main character, a 10 year old white boy, commented at one point to his mother that the neighbours had a slave woman named Star, and that he thought it was such a pretty thing to call yourself. His mother bitched him out for finding such a silly heathen name appealing, and said "the darky might as well call herself Table or Belt" I wish I could remember what the book was called, but for some reason that's the only detail I remember from the whole thing. It was implied that Star had named herself. It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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MuthaFunka said: meow85 said: Maybe it depends on the size of the property or the number of slaves under one owner? If there were a lot of people, perhaps the owner or overseer couldn't be bothered with stopping to think up a name for each new piece of "property". Sort of like how on large ranches the cattle will get numbers instead of names. ? Maybe so. I can see that happening. I suppose some owners might have allowed parents to name their own children out of a sort of kindness, and others might have allowed it because they just didn't care what their farm tools were called. It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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meow85 said: MuthaFunka said: Good point. I can also see that happening. Me too. I remember reading this book as a kid that was set during the tail end of the slavery years. The main character, a 10 year old white boy, commented at one point to his mother that the neighbours had a slave woman named Star, and that he thought it was such a pretty thing to call yourself. His mother bitched him out for finding such a silly heathen name appealing, and said "the darky might as well call herself Table or Belt" I wish I could remember what the book was called, but for some reason that's the only detail I remember from the whole thing. It was implied that Star had named herself. That would be very interesting if she did. New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas!
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meow85 said: MuthaFunka said: Maybe so. I can see that happening. I suppose some owners might have allowed parents to name their own children out of a sort of kindness, and others might have allowed it because they just didn't care what their farm tools were called. Now THAT I can easily see as an option. New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas!
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MuthaFunka said: meow85 said: I suppose some owners might have allowed parents to name their own children out of a sort of kindness, and others might have allowed it because they just didn't care what their farm tools were called. Now THAT I can easily see as an option. Sorry but I can't because I believe there would have been more African names passed on, it that were the case!  | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: MuthaFunka said: Now THAT I can easily see as an option. Sorry but I can't because I believe there would have been more African names passed on, it that were the case! Actually, that's an even better point. New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas!
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MuthaFunka said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: Sorry but I can't because I believe there would have been more African names passed on, it that were the case! Actually, that's an even better point.  You know!
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Something to keep in mind too, is that slaves typically didn't have possession of their children. If a slave owner decided to separate a child from his or her mother by selling the child, he could do so. At that point, the child was probably named by their new owner. Also, HH mentioned that she didn't think that slaves named their own children because there would be more African names given. Keep in mind too that at this time, these individuals were forcibly taken from their land, when brought here they were stripped of their family name and given a more Christian name, they underwent many degradations and abuse, I would think in a situation like that, that if a slave were to name their child, in order to protect their child they would have given that child a Christian name (for fear if the overseer or owner discovered the child given an African name, that the child might be beaten, the parents beaten, or the child taken and sold to another owner). ing one day about racial prejudice, Paramahansa Yogananda said, "God is not pleased to be insulted when He wears His dark suits." | |
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MuthaFunka said: meow85 said: Me too. I remember reading this book as a kid that was set during the tail end of the slavery years. The main character, a 10 year old white boy, commented at one point to his mother that the neighbours had a slave woman named Star, and that he thought it was such a pretty thing to call yourself. His mother bitched him out for finding such a silly heathen name appealing, and said "the darky might as well call herself Table or Belt" I wish I could remember what the book was called, but for some reason that's the only detail I remember from the whole thing. It was implied that Star had named herself. That would be very interesting if she did. It would be. I remember they kept saying "she called herself Star", rather than "she was called Star" but I never could figure if that was because she'd named herself or because she chose to call herself that instead of her slave name. I really wish I could remember what the book was called, so I could track down a copy to re-read and see what the case was.
Either way, Star really is a pretty thing to call yourself.  [Edited 8/29/08 14:14pm] It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: MuthaFunka said: Now THAT I can easily see as an option. Sorry but I can't because I believe there would have been more African names passed on, it that were the case! After a few generations of not being allowed to even speak their native languages, as was the case a lot of times, the original language and its names would probably lost to the slaves. It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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LittleRedCorvette said: Something to keep in mind too, is that slaves typically didn't have possession of their children. If a slave owner decided to separate a child from his or her mother by selling the child, he could do so. At that point, the child was probably named by their new owner. Also, HH mentioned that she didn't think that slaves named their own children because there would be more African names given. Keep in mind too that at this time, these individuals were forcibly taken from their land, when brought here they were stripped of their family name and given a more Christian name, they underwent many degradations and abuse, I would think in a situation like that, that if a slave were to name their child, in order to protect their child they would have given that child a Christian name (for fear if the overseer or owner discovered the child given an African name, that the child might be beaten, the parents beaten, or the child taken and sold to another owner).
I think that's more likely. It was the same situation with Native peoples -after the missionaries and residential schools, even those who could remember the old ways would give their kids European names to avoid further persecution.
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meow85 said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: Sorry but I can't because I believe there would have been more African names passed on, it that were the case! After a few generations of not being allowed to even speak their native languages, as was the case a lot of times, the original language and its names would probably lost to the slaves. Correction! As was the case, for as far as we KNOW, ALL OF THE TIMES! The original language and it's names WERE lost to the slaves!  | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: MuthaFunka said: Actually, that's an even better point. You know!
I'd pay a king's ransom to know what my REAL name is? Dig that. New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas!
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LittleRedCorvette said: Something to keep in mind too, is that slaves typically didn't have possession of their children. If a slave owner decided to separate a child from his or her mother by selling the child, he could do so. At that point, the child was probably named by their new owner. Also, HH mentioned that she didn't think that slaves named their own children because there would be more African names given. Keep in mind too that at this time, these individuals were forcibly taken from their land, when brought here they were stripped of their family name and given a more Christian name, they underwent many degradations and abuse, I would think in a situation like that, that if a slave were to name their child, in order to protect their child they would have given that child a Christian name (for fear if the overseer or owner discovered the child given an African name, that the child might be beaten, the parents beaten, or the child taken and sold to another owner).
Excellent point. New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas!
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meow85 said: MuthaFunka said: That would be very interesting if she did. It would be. I remember they kept saying "she called herself Star", rather than "she was called Star" but I never could figure if that was because she'd named herself or because she chose to call herself that instead of her slave name. I really wish I could remember what the book was called, so I could track down a copy to re-read and see what the case was.
Either way, Star really is a pretty thing to call yourself.
[Edited 8/29/08 14:14pm] ESPECIALLY for THOSE times. New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas!
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The owner of the slave usually named them. Watch
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: MuthaFunka said: Actually, that's an even better point. You know!
I'd pay a king's ransom to know what my REAL name is? I'd pay a King and Queen's ransom to find out who the f**k's surname my family is walking around with. My brother changed his name (first/last). Only reason I kept mine is out of respect for my Dad and in case some relatives are doing a geneology search to track down family members, but really, I don't like my surname at all..I feel no connection to it. http://prince.org/msg/15/286132
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Dayclear said: The owner of the slave usually named them. Watch
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MuthaFunka said: meow85 said: It would be. I remember they kept saying "she called herself Star", rather than "she was called Star" but I never could figure if that was because she'd named herself or because she chose to call herself that instead of her slave name. I really wish I could remember what the book was called, so I could track down a copy to re-read and see what the case was.
Either way, Star really is a pretty thing to call yourself.
[Edited 8/29/08 14:14pm] ESPECIALLY for THOSE times. A slave daring call herself a Star? I smell a rebel. It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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2elijah said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: You know!
I'd pay a king's ransom to know what my REAL name is? I'd pay a King and Queen's ransom to find out who the f**k's surname my family is walking around with. My brother changed his name (first/last). Only reason I kept mine is out of respect for my Dad and in case some relatives are doing a geneology search to track down family members, but really, I don't like my surname at all..I feel no connection to it. You can always pick a different name to go by socially if you can't or don't want to change it legally. My dad never legally changed his name from the very Scottish Renwick, but among friends his last name was the more Native sounding Wren. It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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meow85 said: MuthaFunka said: ESPECIALLY for THOSE times. A slave daring call herself a Star? I smell a rebel.  New World Order (NWO) - Bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher: Deal with it, muthafuckas!
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