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Obama shifts, says he may back offshore drilling

Obama shifts, says he may back offshore drilling

By MIKE GLOVER

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Friday he would be willing to support limited additional offshore oil drilling if that's what it takes to enact a comprehensive policy to foster fuel-efficient autos and develop alternate energy sources.

Shifting from his previous opposition to expanded offshore drilling, the Illinois senator told a Florida newspaper he could get behind a compromise with Republicans and oil companies to prevent gridlock over energy.

Republican rival John McCain, who earlier dropped his opposition to offshore drilling, has been criticizing Obama on the stump and in broadcast ads for clinging to his opposition as gasoline prices topped $4 a gallon. Polls indicate these attacks have helped McCain gain ground on Obama.

"My interest is in making sure we've got the kind of comprehensive energy policy that can bring down gas prices," Obama said in an interview with The Palm Beach Post.


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"If, in order to get that passed, we have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage - I don't want to be so rigid that we can't get something done."

Asked about Obama's comment, McCain said, "We need oil drilling and we need it now offshore. He has consistently opposed it. He has opposed nuclear power. He has opposed reprocessing. He has opposed storage." The GOP candidate said Obama doesn't have a plan equal to the nation's energy challenges.

In Congress, both parties have fought bitterly over energy policy for weeks, with Republicans pressing for more domestic oil drilling and Democrats railing about oil company profits. Despite hundreds of hours of House and Senate floor debate, lawmakers will leave Washington for their five-week summer hiatus this week with an empty tank.

"The Republicans and the oil companies have been really beating the drums on drilling," Obama said in the Post interview. "And so we don't want gridlock. We want to get something done."

Later, Obama issued a written statement warmly welcoming a proposal sent to Senate leaders Friday by 10 senators - five from each party. Their proposal seeks to break the impasse over offshore oil development and is expected to be examined more closely in September after Congress returns from its summer recess.


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The so-called Gang of 10 plan would lift drilling bans in the eastern Gulf of Mexico within 50 miles of Florida's beaches and in the South Atlantic off Virginia, the Carolinas and Georgia, but only if a state agrees to the oil and gas development along its coast. The states would share in revenues from oil and gas development.

Drilling bans along the Pacific coast and the Northeast would remain in place under this compromise.

The plan also includes energy initiatives Obama has endorsed. "It would repeal tax breaks for oil companies so that we can invest billions in fuel-efficient cars, help our automakers re-tool, and make a genuine commitment to renewable sources of energy like wind power, solar power, and the next generation of clean, affordable biofuels," Obama noted.

"Like all compromises, it also includes steps that I haven't always supported," Obama conceded. "I remain skeptical that new offshore drilling will bring down gas prices in the short-term or significantly reduce our oil dependence in the long-term, though I do welcome the establishment of a process that will allow us to make future drilling decisions based on science and fact."

Nevertheless, Obama said the plan, put forward by mostly moderates and conservatives led by Sens. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., and Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., "represents a good faith effort at a new bipartisan beginning."

Earlier in the day, Obama pushed for a windfall profits tax to fund $1,000 emergency rebate checks for consumers besieged by high energy costs, a counter to McCain's call for more offshore drilling.

The pitch for putting some of the economic burden of $4-a-gallon gasoline on the oil industry served a dual purpose for Obama: It allowed him to talk up an economic issue, seen by many as a strength for Democrats and a weakness for Republicans, and at the same time respond to criticism from McCain that Obama's opposition to offshore drilling leads to higher prices at the pump.

In linking McCain to the unpopular President Bush, Obama struck a theme from Ronald Reagan's successful 1980 campaign against President Jimmy Carter by asking a town-hall audience in St. Petersburg: "Do you think you are better off than you were four years ago or eight years ago? If you aren't better off, can you afford another four years?"

Obama primed the crowd by noting new government figures showing 51,000 jobs lost last month and citing 460,000 jobs lost over the last seven months. He tied other bad economic news from the Bush administration to McCain and offered his energy program as one route to relief.

"This rebate will be enough to offset the increased cost of gas for a working family over the next four months," Obama said during a two-day campaign swing in Florida. "It will be enough to cover the entire increase in your heating bills. Or you could use the rebate for any of your other bills, or even to pay down your own debt."

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Reply #1 posted 08/01/08 8:36pm

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No drilling off California - you better believe it!
Seniors in Florida will probably back drilling. Must suck to be there.
Seekingtruth - So both candidates have shifted on a range of issues.
I'm not moved.
I'd rather give Obama a chance than risk four more years of Republican policies that don't seem to have done squat for most Americans.

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Reply #2 posted 08/01/08 8:56pm

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SUPRMAN said:

No drilling off California - you better believe it!
Seniors in Florida will probably back drilling. Must suck to be there.
Seekingtruth - So both candidates have shifted on a range of issues.
I'm not moved.
I'd rather give Obama a chance than risk four more years of Republican policies that don't seem to have done squat for most Americans.



Not trying to move you. Just posting an article and waiting to see what everybody's take on it is.

Of course it is interesting that Obama is having to shift to positions that either McCain had already held or McCain had adjusted to.

Makes you wonder which is the better leader.

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Reply #3 posted 08/01/08 8:59pm

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seekingtruth said:

SUPRMAN said:

No drilling off California - you better believe it!
Seniors in Florida will probably back drilling. Must suck to be there.
Seekingtruth - So both candidates have shifted on a range of issues.
I'm not moved.
I'd rather give Obama a chance than risk four more years of Republican policies that don't seem to have done squat for most Americans.



Not trying to move you. Just posting an article and waiting to see what everybody's take on it is.

Of course it is interesting that Obama is having to shift to positions that either McCain had already held or McCain had adjusted to.

Makes you wonder which is the better leader.



Yes, with McCain and Bush following Obama on foreign affairs and national security.

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Reply #4 posted 08/01/08 8:59pm

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seekingtruth said:

Just posting an article and waiting to see what everybody's take on it is.


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Reply #5 posted 08/01/08 11:18pm

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Does the man have any conviction(s)?

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Reply #6 posted 08/02/08 12:34am

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lazycrockett said:




Does the man have any conviction(s)?


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Reply #7 posted 08/02/08 12:53am

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I don't see what the big problem is.

One of the things people say they like about Barack is his willingness to work on both sides.

This shows that he actually researches an issue. He hasn't completely changed his position on this issue either. He's just compromising on this issue so he can get his Alternative Energy Bill passed.

I see this as something that can be a positive.

It shows that he's not an obstructionist, and he's not just towing the party line!!!

He is NOT the flip-flopper of this campaign!!!

Where was John McCain during the FISA bill voting??? That's right, he wasn't there!!!

He has the worse attendance record in the Senate!!!

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Reply #8 posted 08/02/08 2:40am

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seekingtruth said:

SUPRMAN said:

No drilling off California - you better believe it!
Seniors in Florida will probably back drilling. Must suck to be there.
Seekingtruth - So both candidates have shifted on a range of issues.
I'm not moved.
I'd rather give Obama a chance than risk four more years of Republican policies that don't seem to have done squat for most Americans.



Not trying to move you. Just posting an article and waiting to see what everybody's take on it is.

Of course it is interesting that Obama is having to shift to positions that either McCain had already held or McCain had adjusted to.

Makes you wonder which is the better leader.


So McCain adjusted AND Obama did and you see that as a positive for Mcain confuse

SOunds like you already had your mind made up and are trying to make the situation fit how you see it.
Bottom line is they both did.

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Reply #9 posted 08/02/08 7:02am

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Paris9748430 said:

I don't see what the big problem is.

One of the things people say they like about Barack is his willingness to work on both sides.

This shows that he actually researches an issue. He hasn't completely changed his position on this issue either. He's just compromising on this issue so he can get his Alternative Energy Bill passed.

I see this as something that can be a positive.

It shows that he's not an obstructionist, and he's not just towing the party line!!!

He is NOT the flip-flopper of this campaign!!!

Where was John McCain during the FISA bill voting??? That's right, he wasn't there!!!

He has the worse attendance record in the Senate!!!


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Reply #10 posted 08/02/08 7:09am

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mdiver said:

seekingtruth said:




Not trying to move you. Just posting an article and waiting to see what everybody's take on it is.

Of course it is interesting that Obama is having to shift to positions that either McCain had already held or McCain had adjusted to.

Makes you wonder which is the better leader.


So McCain adjusted AND Obama did and you see that as a positive for Mcain confuse

SOunds like you already had your mind made up and are trying to make the situation fit how you see it.
Bottom line is they both did.


Oh that's just standard practice on pretty much of anything negatively concerning Obama.

I imagine at the NeoCon Academy the battle cry is this: Twist it! Shape it! Mold it! Bend it! Do whatever it takes to make it fit the agenda! disbelief

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Reply #11 posted 08/02/08 9:21am

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lazycrockett said:


Does the man have any conviction(s)?[/quote]


Yes, but he also shows that he's not a brainless twit so wedded to an idea
that he can self-correct.
Hopefully adults learn, grow and change in the process.
I'd like a President capable of doing that unlike Bush of the past eight years who says he's made no mistakes as President.
I guess there are those who would rather have him stick to the left and let you beat him up as out of touch and unrealistic and too stubborn to change or acknowledge that someone other than himself can have a good idea.
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Reply #12 posted 08/04/08 2:10pm

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I don't think the issue is that cut and dried. Why is it that someone can't make a statement on how they feel and then come to see that there is good things to be had on both sides. Even I haven't made up my mind about if offshore drilling would be a good thing. I think we should try and stick to finding alternative energy supplies I also think that the publics "perception" of drilling might help stimulate the ecconomy (even though the drilling wouldn't change anything for many years).

SO...Why is this a flip/flop? I think that that phrase is abused way way waaaaayyy too much. Not only that, but it's an easy way of pointing out "flaws" in another person.

Have you ever changed your mind? If so YOU'RE A FLIP FLOPPER!!!!! nod


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Reply #13 posted 08/04/08 2:12pm

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SUPRMAN said:

lazycrockett said:


Does the man have any conviction(s)?



Yes, but he also shows that he's not a brainless twit so wedded to an idea
that he can self-correct.
Hopefully adults learn, grow and change in the process.
I'd like a President capable of doing that unlike Bush of the past eight years who says he's made no mistakes as President.
I guess there are those who would rather have him stick to the left and let you beat him up as out of touch and unrealistic and too stubborn to change or acknowledge that someone other than himself can have a good idea.
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And how many times has Bush been wrong...and unwavering in his decisions.


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Reply #14 posted 08/04/08 2:20pm

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Shifting from his previous opposition to expanded offshore drilling, the Illinois senator told a Florida newspaper he could get behind a compromise with Republicans and oil companies to prevent gridlock over energy.


sigh DANG it Mr. O. PLEASE mean what you say and say what you mean.

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Reply #15 posted 08/04/08 2:34pm

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SUPRMAN said:

No drilling off California - you better believe it!
Seniors in Florida will probably back drilling. Must suck to be there.
Seekingtruth - So both candidates have shifted on a range of issues.
I'm not moved.
I'd rather give Obama a chance than risk four more years of Republican policies that don't seem to have done squat for most Americans.



Personally, I couldn't agree with you more on this topic!
thumbs up!

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Reply #16 posted 08/04/08 2:43pm

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superspaceboy said:

SUPRMAN said:

lazycrockett said:


Does the man have any conviction(s)?



Yes, but he also shows that he's not a brainless twit so wedded to an idea
that he can self-correct.
Hopefully adults learn, grow and change in the process.
I'd like a President capable of doing that unlike Bush of the past eight years who says he's made no mistakes as President.
I guess there are those who would rather have him stick to the left and let you beat him up as out of touch and unrealistic and too stubborn to change or acknowledge that someone other than himself can have a good idea.
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And how many times has Bush been wrong...and unwavering in his decisions.[/quote]


Haha-TOUCHE'! Exactly! I DO agree on (the changing the minds)
thing.I myself am not TOTALLY sure of this (offshore drilling
thing) however,I DO trust Obama MORE than I'd ever trust McCain.
but I'd love to see Obama in office and as far as his views on
this topic, he's human too and maybe just not 100% sure of what
he'll do as far as the topic at hand. They ALL change their minds
eventually on something or another. That doesn't mean he's
necessarily a "flip flopper." I mean as screwed up as things
are at this juncture, would ANY OF US know 100% what to do ? jmo

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Reply #17 posted 08/04/08 2:48pm

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Reply #18 posted 08/04/08 2:50pm

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No surprise here. That said though, there's no guarantee that even if we start this offshore drilling that it's going to dramatically reduce gas prices. If the oil companies wanted to do that, they would. This just gives them an excuse to do the drilling they've been wanting to do for decades, and I'm sure after the initial price drop, gas will go back to what it has been.

If they say this drilling will bring gas prices back down below $2 a gallon and keep it there for awhile, THEN maybe we'd have something. But as it is, I don't see how we can trust the oil barons now when they've spent the last 3+ years fucking us in the collective ass. confused

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Reply #19 posted 08/04/08 2:54pm

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Dance and guitarslinger4- I'm with you
both on this topic! Haha guitarslinger-you
have a way with words! lol biggrin

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paisley43 said:

Dance and guitarslinger4- I'm with you
both on this topic! Haha guitarslinger-you
have a way with words! lol biggrin


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Reply #21 posted 08/04/08 3:01pm

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Shifting or a "flip flop" really means that you have the ability and humility to change your mind, which should be admirable. To use the terms derisively is to suggest clawing to an idea even when its shown as wrong is a posititive trait.

That said I don't believe that applies on drilling for the last pockets of oil. Those who got a little too excited over Obama need to calm down some and realise he's just another politician making questionable compromises for some short term popularity.

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Reply #22 posted 08/04/08 3:07pm

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No drilling off California - you better believe it!
Seniors in Florida will probably back drilling. Must suck to be there.
Seekingtruth - So both candidates have shifted on a range of issues.
I'm not moved.
I'd rather give Obama a chance than risk four more years of Republican policies that don't seem to have done squat for most Americans.



McCain's shift was due to the price of oil and gas. Obama's was not. What was it that changed to make Obama change his mind?

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paisley43 said:

superspaceboy said:



And how many times has Bush been wrong...and unwavering in his decisions.



Haha-TOUCHE'! Exactly! I DO agree on (the changing the minds)
thing.I myself am not TOTALLY sure of this (offshore drilling
thing) however,I DO trust Obama MORE than I'd ever trust McCain.
but I'd love to see Obama in office and as far as his views on
this topic, he's human too and maybe just not 100% sure of what
he'll do as far as the topic at hand. They ALL change their minds
eventually on something or another. That doesn't mean he's
necessarily a "flip flopper." I mean as screwed up as things
are at this juncture, would ANY OF US know 100% what to do ? jmo

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Honestly, I trust both..certianly over what we have now in office. I think people are a bit too harsh on McCain. I just think of the two, Obama is the better person for the job.


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Reply #25 posted 08/04/08 9:56pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

paisley43 said:

Dance and guitarslinger4- I'm with you
both on this topic! Haha guitarslinger-you
have a way with words! lol biggrin


wink Thank you sir!



Oh I'm a female lol- and your welcome!
(and superspaceboy-I agree with you
Obama's better for the job!) cool




"Sign of the times, will mess with your mind. Hurry before it's too late."
Sign Of the Times
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Reply #26 posted 08/05/08 10:00pm

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XxAxX said:

Shifting from his previous opposition to expanded offshore drilling, the Illinois senator told a Florida newspaper he could get behind a compromise with Republicans and oil companies to prevent gridlock over energy.


sigh DANG it Mr. O. PLEASE mean what you say and say what you mean.



You can't really mean that.
Bush hasn't seen the war as a mistake, Guantanamo as a mistake, the declining dollar leading to $4 gasoline at the pump and you are asking for more of the same?
Do you ever self-correct? But you want a President who won't?
So basically you want an asshole running the country. They may be an asshole but I guess they won't upgrade their opinion.

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Reply #27 posted 08/06/08 10:14pm

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he was for it and against it before he was against it and for it.

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