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Yeah, but Obama has also told The Nation that if elected he will not ‘rule out’ using private security companies like Blackwater Worldwide in Iraq. Like with just about everything else, he does his best to sit on the fence while leaning to the right. | |
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It would make sense if Obama does redeploy troops from Iraq, there will be an increased role for private military firms. Join the antithesis of the org conservative union!
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Mars23 said: It would make sense if Obama does redeploy troops from Iraq, there will be an increased role for private military firms.
You mean mercenaries? right. You Can Not Go Against Nature
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lazycrockett said: Mars23 said: It would make sense if Obama does redeploy troops from Iraq, there will be an increased role for private military firms.
You mean mercenaries? right. Yep. It really seems to be a non starter for most Americans, so I'm sure Obama was hoping this would stay under the radar and when he has to use them, it would remain unnoticed. In one sense he is painted into this corner by the reliance of the Bush Administration on these mercenary armies, but on the other hand, he should not be decrying their use, when he knows he will have to use them as well. It of course will not be the first time he has said one thing and done another, but I didn't expect the betrayals to be a rapid fire as they have been. Join the antithesis of the org conservative union!
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Mars23 said: lazycrockett said: You mean mercenaries? right. Yep. It really seems to be a non starter for most Americans, so I'm sure Obama was hoping this would stay under the radar and when he has to use them, it would remain unnoticed. In one sense he is painted into this corner by the reliance of the Bush Administration on these mercenary armies, but on the other hand, he should not be decrying their use, when he knows he will have to use them as well. It of course will not be the first time he has said one thing and done another, but I didn't expect the betrayals to be a rapid fire as they have been.  You Can Not Go Against Nature
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lazycrockett said: http://deceiver.com/
You may remember that Obama has been rather critical of the role the private security firm Blackwater USA has had in helping to rebuild postwar Iraq. I don’t believe that they should be able to run amok, he told The Nation in March, and put our own troops in danger, get paid three or four times or ten times what our soldiers are getting paid. I am the one who has been opposed to those operators. Obama even suggested in an interview just three weeks ago with Defense News that Blackwater and other private security firms are eroding the core of our military’s relationship to the nation and how accountability is structured. Guess who provided Obama’s personal security detail during his trip to Iraq and Afghanistan? http://www.usnews.com/blo...istan.html I think that is because they received no bid contracts to do that job! How fucking ridiculous. Was he supposed to hire a full protection circuit? Maybe so considering how traiterous that group is but still. who else over there was going to do the job? I stay Woke.
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: lazycrockett said: http://deceiver.com/
You may remember that Obama has been rather critical of the role the private security firm Blackwater USA has had in helping to rebuild postwar Iraq. I don’t believe that they should be able to run amok, he told The Nation in March, and put our own troops in danger, get paid three or four times or ten times what our soldiers are getting paid. I am the one who has been opposed to those operators. Obama even suggested in an interview just three weeks ago with Defense News that Blackwater and other private security firms are eroding the core of our military’s relationship to the nation and how accountability is structured. Guess who provided Obama’s personal security detail during his trip to Iraq and Afghanistan? http://www.usnews.com/blo...istan.html I think that is because they received no bid contracts to do that job! How fucking ridiculous. Was he supposed to hire a full protection circuit? Maybe so considering how traiterous that group is but still. who else over there was going to do the job? Sen. Barack Obama has not been a fan of private police like Blackwater in war zones, and some news outlets even reported that they were spurned for his trip last week to Afghanistan and Iraq. But Whispers confirms that Blackwater did handle the Democratic presidential candidate's security in Afghanistan and helped out in Iraq. What's more, Obama was overheard saying: "Blackwater is getting a bad rap." Since everything appeared to go swimmingly, maybe he will take firms like Blackwater out of his sights, the company's supporters hope. You Can Not Go Against Nature
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lazycrockett said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I think that is because they received no bid contracts to do that job! How fucking ridiculous. Was he supposed to hire a full protection circuit? Maybe so considering how traiterous that group is but still. who else over there was going to do the job? Sen. Barack Obama has not been a fan of private police like Blackwater in war zones, and some news outlets even reported that they were spurned for his trip last week to Afghanistan and Iraq. But Whispers confirms that Blackwater did handle the Democratic presidential candidate's security in Afghanistan and helped out in Iraq. What's more, Obama was overheard saying: "Blackwater is getting a bad rap." Since everything appeared to go swimmingly, maybe he will take firms to like Blackwater out of his sights, the company's supporters hope. what other options were there? that's what I want to know. I stay Woke.
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: lazycrockett said: Sen. Barack Obama has not been a fan of private police like Blackwater in war zones, and some news outlets even reported that they were spurned for his trip last week to Afghanistan and Iraq. But Whispers confirms that Blackwater did handle the Democratic presidential candidate's security in Afghanistan and helped out in Iraq. What's more, Obama was overheard saying: "Blackwater is getting a bad rap." Since everything appeared to go swimmingly, maybe he will take firms to like Blackwater out of his sights, the company's supporters hope. what other options were there? that's what I want to know. I was thinking about that, but at the very least, the smart thing to do would have been to make a stink about having to use them and point out the failings of the current administration. Another option would be to demand that US Senators are provided with security from US Soldiers and not mercenaries. Make a stand and postpone the trip until it gets worked out. Another "at the least" action is to not express support for the companies you are publicly decrying. Join the antithesis of the org conservative union!
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: lazycrockett said: Sen. Barack Obama has not been a fan of private police like Blackwater in war zones, and some news outlets even reported that they were spurned for his trip last week to Afghanistan and Iraq. But Whispers confirms that Blackwater did handle the Democratic presidential candidate's security in Afghanistan and helped out in Iraq. What's more, Obama was overheard saying: "Blackwater is getting a bad rap." Since everything appeared to go swimmingly, maybe he will take firms to like Blackwater out of his sights, the company's supporters hope. what other options were there? that's what I want to know. Oh I don't know the military that he hopes to be the commander of? You Can Not Go Against Nature
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lazycrockett said: Guess who provided Obama’s personal security detail during his trip to Iraq and Afghanistan?
So you suggest he should have gone without security? Is there even another option for any politician who visits Iraq? | |
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Blackwater is a perfect example of how emeshed the corporations are in this war, and how their livelihoods depend on it being continued. | |
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lazycrockett said: http://deceiver.com/
You may remember that Obama has been rather critical of the role the private security firm Blackwater USA has had in helping to rebuild postwar Iraq. I don’t believe that they should be able to run amok, he told The Nation in March, and put our own troops in danger, get paid three or four times or ten times what our soldiers are getting paid. I am the one who has been opposed to those operators. Obama even suggested in an interview just three weeks ago with Defense News that Blackwater and other private security firms are eroding the core of our military’s relationship to the nation and how accountability is structured. Guess who provided Obama’s personal security detail during his trip to Iraq and Afghanistan? http://www.usnews.com/blo...istan.html Not really a fair assesment of Barak and his stance at all. For starters right now he is just a candidate for the presidency not the President. He has no power right now to chance anything. What would you have him do land in Iraq and change the security details that are already in place? No this is only news if he becomes president and then chooses to go with the status quo. But to try and call him a flip flopper on an issue he can't change just yet is rather misleading and very unfair. Peace THE CARDINAL HAS SPOKEN!!! | |
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This is what the story, from a column titled "Whispers," says.
Sen. Barack Obama has not been a fan of private police like Blackwater in war zones, and some news outlets even reported that they were spurned for his trip last week to Afghanistan and Iraq. But Whispers confirms that Blackwater did handle the Democratic presidential candidate's security in Afghanistan and helped out in Iraq. What's more, Obama was overheard saying: "Blackwater is getting a bad rap." Since everything appeared to go swimmingly, maybe he will take firms like Blackwater out of his sights, the company's supporters hope.
Sounds bad, right? Obama is blasting Blackwater but putting them on the payroll? Welllll . . . A better-sourced story details as follows: Over the past year, Barack Obama has spoken out aggressively against private security contractors in Iraq. He proposed legislation to hold these firms accountable for their actions eight months before Blackwater employees killed 17 Iraqi civilians in a square in Haditha. Since then, Obama has acknowledged that groups like Blackwater aren’t going anywhere in the short term. A foreign policy adviser to Obama even said the senator could not "rule out" using private firms in Iraq as president. (If you want to know the ins and outs of private security contracts, The Nation's Jeremy Scahill has written the book, literally, on Blackwater. He has also been pushing hard for Obama to take a stronger stance on the issue.)
So, the $64,000 question: Did Obama rely on private security firms this week during his trip through Afghanistan and Iraq? Apparently not. When congressional delegations travel to Iraq, they're almost always protected by private security contractors provided by the State Department's Diplomatic Security division. In 2005, the department's Worldwide Personal Protective Services (WPPS) program awarded contracts to three security firms—Blackwater, DynCorps, and Triple Canopy—to protect high-level officials traveling to hot spots like Jerusalem, Kabul, Bosnia, Baghdad, and Kirkuk. WPPS does the vast majority of its business with Blackwater—about $340 million of the $400 million spent annually by WPPS goes to Blackwater, according to one State Department document. But Obama isn't just any globetrotting senator. He's a presidential nominee, which means all his security arrangements at home and abroad are made not by the State Department but by the Secret Service. The Obama campaign refused to discuss his security detail, but a spokesman for the Secret Service told me that private contractors were not accompanying Obama in Iraq or Afghanistan. "We don't utilize contractors," said spokesman Ed Donovan. "We use military law enforcement and Secret Service." http://www.slate.com/blog...water.aspx Obama didn't get into bed with Blackwater. The federal government did, and it made the arrangements for the security detail. As it turns out, this "story" is lazy journalism and empty validation for Obamaphobes. One down, one million more to go. Next up . . . Obama eats live puppies at Wahabbi school. Source: http://www.alldaysucker.com . [Edited 7/29/08 14:39pm] [Edited 7/29/08 14:43pm] Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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I doubt he had any choice in the matter. He may not have even really had veto power. The secret service is in charge and pretty much what they say goes. | |
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namepeace said: This is what the story, from a column titled "Whispers," says.
Sen. Barack Obama has not been a fan of private police like Blackwater in war zones, and some news outlets even reported that they were spurned for his trip last week to Afghanistan and Iraq. But Whispers confirms that Blackwater did handle the Democratic presidential candidate's security in Afghanistan and helped out in Iraq. What's more, Obama was overheard saying: "Blackwater is getting a bad rap." Since everything appeared to go swimmingly, maybe he will take firms like Blackwater out of his sights, the company's supporters hope.
Sounds bad, right? Obama is blasting Blackwater but putting them on the payroll? Welllll . . . A better-sourced story details as follows: Over the past year, Barack Obama has spoken out aggressively against private security contractors in Iraq. He proposed legislation to hold these firms accountable for their actions eight months before Blackwater employees killed 17 Iraqi civilians in a square in Haditha. Since then, Obama has acknowledged that groups like Blackwater aren’t going anywhere in the short term. A foreign policy adviser to Obama even said the senator could not "rule out" using private firms in Iraq as president. (If you want to know the ins and outs of private security contracts, The Nation's Jeremy Scahill has written the book, literally, on Blackwater. He has also been pushing hard for Obama to take a stronger stance on the issue.)
So, the $64,000 question: Did Obama rely on private security firms this week during his trip through Afghanistan and Iraq? Apparently not. When congressional delegations travel to Iraq, they're almost always protected by private security contractors provided by the State Department's Diplomatic Security division. In 2005, the department's Worldwide Personal Protective Services (WPPS) program awarded contracts to three security firms—Blackwater, DynCorps, and Triple Canopy—to protect high-level officials traveling to hot spots like Jerusalem, Kabul, Bosnia, Baghdad, and Kirkuk. WPPS does the vast majority of its business with Blackwater—about $340 million of the $400 million spent annually by WPPS goes to Blackwater, according to one State Department document. But Obama isn't just any globetrotting senator. He's a presidential nominee, which means all his security arrangements at home and abroad are made not by the State Department but by the Secret Service. The Obama campaign refused to discuss his security detail, but a spokesman for the Secret Service told me that private contractors were not accompanying Obama in Iraq or Afghanistan. "We don't utilize contractors," said spokesman Ed Donovan. "We use military law enforcement and Secret Service." http://www.slate.com/blog...water.aspx Obama didn't get into bed with Blackwater. The federal government did, and it made the arrangements for the security detail. As it turns out, this "story" is lazy journalism and empty validation for Obamaphobes. One down, one million more to go. Next up . . . Obama eats live puppies at Wahabbi school. Source: http://www.alldaysucker.com Oh dear. We need a retraction forum!  | |
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namepeace said: This is what the story, from a column titled "Whispers," says.
Sen. Barack Obama has not been a fan of private police like Blackwater in war zones, and some news outlets even reported that they were spurned for his trip last week to Afghanistan and Iraq. But Whispers confirms that Blackwater did handle the Democratic presidential candidate's security in Afghanistan and helped out in Iraq. What's more, Obama was overheard saying: "Blackwater is getting a bad rap." Since everything appeared to go swimmingly, maybe he will take firms like Blackwater out of his sights, the company's supporters hope.
Sounds bad, right? Obama is blasting Blackwater but putting them on the payroll? Welllll . . . A better-sourced story details as follows: Over the past year, Barack Obama has spoken out aggressively against private security contractors in Iraq. He proposed legislation to hold these firms accountable for their actions eight months before Blackwater employees killed 17 Iraqi civilians in a square in Haditha. Since then, Obama has acknowledged that groups like Blackwater aren’t going anywhere in the short term. A foreign policy adviser to Obama even said the senator could not "rule out" using private firms in Iraq as president. (If you want to know the ins and outs of private security contracts, The Nation's Jeremy Scahill has written the book, literally, on Blackwater. He has also been pushing hard for Obama to take a stronger stance on the issue.)
So, the $64,000 question: Did Obama rely on private security firms this week during his trip through Afghanistan and Iraq? Apparently not. When congressional delegations travel to Iraq, they're almost always protected by private security contractors provided by the State Department's Diplomatic Security division. In 2005, the department's Worldwide Personal Protective Services (WPPS) program awarded contracts to three security firms—Blackwater, DynCorps, and Triple Canopy—to protect high-level officials traveling to hot spots like Jerusalem, Kabul, Bosnia, Baghdad, and Kirkuk. WPPS does the vast majority of its business with Blackwater—about $340 million of the $400 million spent annually by WPPS goes to Blackwater, according to one State Department document. But Obama isn't just any globetrotting senator. He's a presidential nominee, which means all his security arrangements at home and abroad are made not by the State Department but by the Secret Service. The Obama campaign refused to discuss his security detail, but a spokesman for the Secret Service told me that private contractors were not accompanying Obama in Iraq or Afghanistan. "We don't utilize contractors," said spokesman Ed Donovan. "We use military law enforcement and Secret Service." http://www.slate.com/blog...water.aspx Obama didn't get into bed with Blackwater. The federal government did, and it made the arrangements for the security detail. As it turns out, this "story" is lazy journalism and empty validation for Obamaphobes. One down, one million more to go. Next up . . . Obama eats live puppies at Wahabbi school. Source: http://www.alldaysucker.com . [Edited 7/29/08 14:39pm] [Edited 7/29/08 14:43pm]  Obama...Hail To The Chief! | |
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Plus I read on a blog that Michelle Obama called Blackwater Whiteywater!
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Obama should have demanded that only official US Armed Forces troops guard him. Instead, he just went and didn't think anything of it to allow the shadow military to protect him.
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