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Mandela's B-Day message: Rich should share prosperity, help poor

at 11:37 on July 18, 2008, EDT.
By Celean Jacobson, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

QUNU, South Africa - Nelson Mandela celebrated his 90th birthday Friday by urging the wealthy to share their prosperity with the less fortunate and by saying he wished he had been able to spend more time with his family during the anti-apartheid struggle.

In an interview at his home in rural southeastern South Africa, the anti-apartheid icon was asked if he had a message for the world.

"There are many people in South Africa who are rich and who can share those riches with those not so fortunate who have not been able to conquer poverty," Mandela said.

Accompanied by his wife, Graca Machel, a smiling Mandela walked into his private lounge in the large home he built in Qunu, before sitting in his favourite yellow armchair and addressing a small gathering of reporters from The Associated Press and other outlets for about 15 minutes. It was his first such exchange with journalists in years.

Mandela, sounding and looking vigorous, said he was fortunate to have reached 90, but in the countryside and in the towns "poverty has gripped our people.

"If you are poor, you are not likely to live long," he said. He credited his "behaviour" for his own longevity.

At one point, a granddaughter brought in a bowl of flowers and gave Mandela a birthday kiss. He was asked if he wished he had had more time with his family during a life spent fighting apartheid and then leading South Africa as its first black president.

"I am sure for many people that is their wish," he said. "I also have that wish that I spent more time (with my family). But I don't regret it."

Mandela was imprisoned for nearly three decades for his fight against apartheid.

He was released in 1990 to lead negotiations that ended decades of racist white rule. He was elected president in South Africa's first democratic elections in 1994. After serving one five-year term, he devoted himself to campaigning against poverty, illiteracy and AIDS in Africa.

But he has been slowed by age in recent years, cutting back on public appearances and spending more time with his family. He often spends holidays and his birthdays in Qunu.

Wearing one of his signature patterned shirts, this one in shades of green, gold and black, he glanced pensively out a window at the start of the interview.

"This is my property. When I am here, I feel I own something," he said of the rural area 965 kilometres south of Johannesburg where he spent his youth. In his autobiography, he describes herding cattle in the hills around Qunu as a boy.

Soon after the interview, a group of seven or eight grandchildren crowded around Mandela's chair, sang "Happy Birthday" and kissed him. His legs were propped up on a large stool and covered with a pale yellow blanket. A pile of newspapers sat next to his chair.

The room was full of birthday presents from all over the world - a portrait, a bust, a collection of photography books - all featuring him - from well-known artists.

While Mandela was celebrating quietly in Qunu, events were taking place across the country in his honour.

Two runners holding South African flags circled Robben Island, where Mandela spent most of his 27 years in jail. At nearby Drakenstein prison, known as Victor Verster when Mandela was held their briefly at the end of his term, a prisoners' choir and a band performed for a live broadcast on state television, and prisoners who had created portraits of Mandela handed them over to Correctional Services Minister Ngconde Balfour, who was to pass them on to Mandela.

"We are saying Mr. Mandela is 90 today; he gave a lot back to the country; he united us," said a prisons' spokesman, Mark Solomons.

In Johannesburg, children celebrated with birthday cake at the offices of the foundation Mandela founded after stepping down as president in 1999, and his African National Congress unfurled giant banners featuring his image at its downtown headquarters.

Qunu, meanwhile, had spruced up for the day.

On Thursday, gardeners mowed the lawn leading up to the museum honouring Mandela, a crew added a new layer of tarmac to the road outside his house, and a school choir rehearsed a song it created especially for him.

Mandela helped raise funds so the school could build new classrooms and move out of a dilapidated mud structure.

"He has done a lot for us, specially for the school," said its principal, Mpondomise Ndzambo. "He suffered a lot trying to get this South Africa to be free and fair. I think he is a great man."


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Reply #1 posted 07/19/08 12:27am

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The only ones that can help the poor, are themselves. I am speaking about poor in America. And when I mean poor, I mean poor. I'm not people making less than $20,000 a year etc... I'm talking about the man sleeping on the street. If a poor man is helpless and not doing anything, that's his problem and I don't believe a hardworking wealthy man should help him. If you do give him money, he's only going to sit aside and wait for the next person to do the same and end up buying alcohol or a pack of cigarettes. And that's how he's going to live his life. If a poor bum is sitting on the side of the street holding a sign asking for money, he deserves to be where he is. He could be using that time to get a job. Sure his first new job he's isn't going to be able to provide him with a Mercedes-Benz in the near future, but he'll be making money. As much as I'm not crazy about America, there really is opportunity out here to make money. And that's regardless of man, woman, young adult. If a person is going to be lazy and not provide for himself/herself when they do have the ability to, I'm going to be lazy to reach into my wallet.

Now when it comes to a family with children, and the parent(s) have been laid off and they are not able to provide for the family, that's a whole different story, and I believe they do deserve help.

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DiamondGlove said:

The only ones that can help the poor, are themselves. I am speaking about poor in America. And when I mean poor, I mean poor. I'm not people making less than $20,000 a year etc... I'm talking about the man sleeping on the street. If a poor man is helpless and not doing anything, that's his problem and I don't believe a hardworking wealthy man should help him. If you do give him money, he's only going to sit aside and wait for the next person to do the same and end up buying alcohol or a pack of cigarettes. And that's how he's going to live his life. If a poor bum is sitting on the side of the street holding a sign asking for money, he deserves to be where he is. He could be using that time to get a job. Sure his first new job he's isn't going to be able to provide him with a Mercedes-Benz in the near future, but he'll be making money. As much as I'm not crazy about America, there really is opportunity out here to make money. And that's regardless of man, woman, young adult. If a person is going to be lazy and not provide for himself/herself when they do have the ability to, I'm going to be lazy to reach into my wallet.

Now when it comes to a family with children, and the parent(s) have been laid off and they are not able to provide for the family, that's a whole different story, and I believe they do deserve help.



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Reply #3 posted 07/19/08 7:10am

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DiamondGlove said:

The only ones that can help the poor, are themselves. I am speaking about poor in America. And when I mean poor, I mean poor. I'm not people making less than $20,000 a year etc... I'm talking about the man sleeping on the street. If a poor man is helpless and not doing anything, that's his problem and I don't believe a hardworking wealthy man should help him. If you do give him money, he's only going to sit aside and wait for the next person to do the same and end up buying alcohol or a pack of cigarettes. And that's how he's going to live his life. If a poor bum is sitting on the side of the street holding a sign asking for money, he deserves to be where he is. He could be using that time to get a job. Sure his first new job he's isn't going to be able to provide him with a Mercedes-Benz in the near future, but he'll be making money. As much as I'm not crazy about America, there really is opportunity out here to make money. And that's regardless of man, woman, young adult. If a person is going to be lazy and not provide for himself/herself when they do have the ability to, I'm going to be lazy to reach into my wallet.

Now when it comes to a family with children, and the parent(s) have been laid off and they are not able to provide for the family, that's a whole different story, and I believe they do deserve help.


Some facts on homelessness:

On any given night in America, anywhere from 700,000 to 2 million people are homeless, according to estimates of the National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty.
According to a December, 2000 report of the US Conference of Mayors:

single men comprise 44 percent of the homeless, single women 13 percent, families with children 36 percent, and unaccompanied minors seven percent.
the homeless population is about 50 percent African-American, 35 percent white, 12 percent Hispanic, 2 percent Native American and 1 percent Asian.
According to the 1996 National Survey of Homeless Assistance Providers and Clients (NSHAPC):

single homeless individuals in 1996 reported an average income of $348 during the last 30 days, about 51 percent of the 1996 federal poverty level of $680/month for one person.
28 percent said they sometimes or often do not get enough to eat, compared with 12 percent of poor American adults.
44 percent did paid work during the past month.
21 percent received income from family members or friends.
66 percent of the homeless have problems with alcohol, drug abuse, or mental illness.
22 percent have been physically assaulted.
7 percent have been sexually assaulted.
38 percent say someone stole money or things directly from them.
30 percent have been homeless for more than two years.

Speaking one day about racial prejudice, Paramahansa Yogananda said, "God is not pleased to be insulted when He wears His dark suits."
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Reply #4 posted 07/19/08 7:36am

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LittleRedCorvette said:

DiamondGlove said:

The only ones that can help the poor, are themselves. I am speaking about poor in America. And when I mean poor, I mean poor. I'm not people making less than $20,000 a year etc... I'm talking about the man sleeping on the street. If a poor man is helpless and not doing anything, that's his problem and I don't believe a hardworking wealthy man should help him. If you do give him money, he's only going to sit aside and wait for the next person to do the same and end up buying alcohol or a pack of cigarettes. And that's how he's going to live his life. If a poor bum is sitting on the side of the street holding a sign asking for money, he deserves to be where he is. He could be using that time to get a job. Sure his first new job he's isn't going to be able to provide him with a Mercedes-Benz in the near future, but he'll be making money. As much as I'm not crazy about America, there really is opportunity out here to make money. And that's regardless of man, woman, young adult. If a person is going to be lazy and not provide for himself/herself when they do have the ability to, I'm going to be lazy to reach into my wallet.

Now when it comes to a family with children, and the parent(s) have been laid off and they are not able to provide for the family, that's a whole different story, and I believe they do deserve help.


Some facts on homelessness:

On any given night in America, anywhere from 700,000 to 2 million people are homeless, according to estimates of the National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty.
According to a December, 2000 report of the US Conference of Mayors:

single men comprise 44 percent of the homeless, single women 13 percent, families with children 36 percent, and unaccompanied minors seven percent.
the homeless population is about 50 percent African-American, 35 percent white, 12 percent Hispanic, 2 percent Native American and 1 percent Asian.
According to the 1996 National Survey of Homeless Assistance Providers and Clients (NSHAPC):

single homeless individuals in 1996 reported an average income of $348 during the last 30 days, about 51 percent of the 1996 federal poverty level of $680/month for one person.
28 percent said they sometimes or often do not get enough to eat, compared with 12 percent of poor American adults.
44 percent did paid work during the past month.
21 percent received income from family members or friends.
66 percent of the homeless have problems with alcohol, drug abuse, or mental illness.
22 percent have been physically assaulted.
7 percent have been sexually assaulted.
38 percent say someone stole money or things directly from them.
30 percent have been homeless for more than two years.


rolleyes there you go with your facts again! when will you learn?! disbelief

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Reply #5 posted 07/19/08 7:36am

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"Mandela is a commie" comment in 3... 2... confused

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Reply #6 posted 07/19/08 7:58am

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Yes, all who are capable and wealthy should give to the poor and help
them in thier circumstance. However, I do not feel the government should
force the wealthy to redistribute thier wealth to the poor.

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Reply #7 posted 07/19/08 9:51am

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Funny.... all the wealthy people I have met all give to communities that they never would visit. I know of at least six families that fund several shelters, and I have met many moderate-income single people that give of themselves to help others, even when they don't have to. Mr. Mandela needs to take that speech to corporate offices and ask many businesses to stand on their own and stop "corporate welfare". IMO. People need jobs, CEO's take a pay cut, pay people what they are worth, so they can pay their bills.

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Reply #8 posted 07/19/08 10:01am

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on what basis should the wealthy give to the needy? this is a genuine question and not a shithead kind of rhetorical statement.

i mean, everybody is needy. but do you give based on need or do you reward for ability? i mean, why are those with ability, those who work and build and create and generate wealth responsible for those who don't simply based on the notion of need.

don't the wealthy need what they've earned? is it fair to take part of what they've created just..because...?

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Reply #9 posted 07/19/08 10:23am

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What is nelson's net worth?

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Reply #10 posted 07/19/08 10:30am

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sassybritches said:

on what basis should the wealthy give to the needy? this is a genuine question and not a shithead kind of rhetorical statement.

i mean, everybody is needy. but do you give based on need or do you reward for ability? i mean, why are those with ability, those who work and build and create and generate wealth responsible for those who don't simply based on the notion of need.

don't the wealthy need what they've earned? is it fair to take part of what they've created just..because...?

good question... i think people should give based on what is in there heart to give.

Its called charity, not robbery, and people shouldn't be forced.

Greed is different from wealth, some people are just plan greedy and many accuse wealthy people of being greedy.

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Reply #11 posted 07/19/08 10:36am

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paintedlady said:

sassybritches said:

on what basis should the wealthy give to the needy? this is a genuine question and not a shithead kind of rhetorical statement.

i mean, everybody is needy. but do you give based on need or do you reward for ability? i mean, why are those with ability, those who work and build and create and generate wealth responsible for those who don't simply based on the notion of need.

don't the wealthy need what they've earned? is it fair to take part of what they've created just..because...?

good question... i think people should give based on what is in there heart to give.

Its called charity, not robbery, and people shouldn't be forced.

Greed is different from wealth, some people are just plan greedy and many accuse wealthy people of being greedy.

i only ask the question because it seems like many people hold the idea that because wealthy people "have it" they should have to "give it" and i don't really think that's fair.

i don't think a mogul like donald trump should be penalized for his success and be expected to give away any of his belongings/net worth just because he's been successful.

with that sort of thinking, you in turn punish the very people who have created and generated jobs and wealth. those with abiity are not only expected to use their ability (in a away that helps all) but then they are also expected to part with the rewards of utilizing this ability? seems like a raw deal if you ask me.
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"IF YOU’RE OUT THERE YOU'RE VULNERABLE. PEOPLE PREFER TO DISAPPEAR IN LIFE, TO REPRESS THEIR PERSONALITY. THAT'S NOT LIVING. IT'S DYING. I SEE THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE, THE WALKING DEAD."
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lol see?!

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Reply #13 posted 07/19/08 12:39pm

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I've heard a rumour that Mandela gave a concert to celebrate his 90th birthday.

Did he rock?

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Reply #14 posted 07/21/08 9:56am

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

lol see?!

see what?

"IF YOU’RE OUT THERE YOU'RE VULNERABLE. PEOPLE PREFER TO DISAPPEAR IN LIFE, TO REPRESS THEIR PERSONALITY. THAT'S NOT LIVING. IT'S DYING. I SEE THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE, THE WALKING DEAD."
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Reply #15 posted 07/21/08 10:01am

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sassybritches said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:

lol see?!

see what?


lol see the "Mandela is a commie" comments. not literally, of course, but close.

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Reply #16 posted 07/21/08 10:04am

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has someone insinuated that? i'm missing it, lol.

"IF YOU’RE OUT THERE YOU'RE VULNERABLE. PEOPLE PREFER TO DISAPPEAR IN LIFE, TO REPRESS THEIR PERSONALITY. THAT'S NOT LIVING. IT'S DYING. I SEE THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE, THE WALKING DEAD."
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Reply #17 posted 07/21/08 10:05am

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sassybritches said:

paintedlady said:


good question... i think people should give based on what is in there heart to give.

Its called charity, not robbery, and people shouldn't be forced.

Greed is different from wealth, some people are just plan greedy and many accuse wealthy people of being greedy.

i only ask the question because it seems like many people hold the idea that because wealthy people "have it" they should have to "give it" and i don't really think that's fair.

i don't think a mogul like donald trump should be penalized for his success and be expected to give away any of his belongings/net worth just because he's been successful.

with that sort of thinking, you in turn punish the very people who have created and generated jobs and wealth. those with abiity are not only expected to use their ability (in a away that helps all) but then they are also expected to part with the rewards of utilizing this ability? seems like a raw deal if you ask me.
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You are one of those people who think people like Donald made all his money "in a fair way" with "hard work", and that poor people never worked as "hard" as he?

You think rich people don't profit off the poor while making their dollars.? You think they never screw anything in sight and break any law they can get away with, just so they can make a maximum profit?

Are you one of those people who believes it's okay that 1% of the world holds 80% of the world's wealth and money, because "they earned it"?

If so, then you really should be poor one day and find out what it is like.

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sassybritches said:

has someone insinuated that? i'm missing it, lol.


lol yes, you must be...

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

sassybritches said:

has someone insinuated that? i'm missing it, lol.


lol yes, you must be...
I started to not even read this fucking thread.

When someone can give me a list of who got to where they are without walking on the backs of the poor, then i'll have zero problem with them keeping their wealth. No one on this planet got to where they are without help from someone.

Standing next to Sarah Palin makes you look smarter.
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Stymie said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:



lol yes, you must be...
I started to not even read this fucking thread.

When someone can give me a list of who got to where they are without walking on the backs of the poor, then i'll have zero problem with them keeping their wealth. No one on this planet got to where they are without help from someone.


nod the idea of all these self-made millionaires working their fingers to the bones for every penny is just ridiculous. the ability to invest, the connections with other wealthy partners, the labor of poor schmucks on whose backs these millions were made...

and don't even get me started on trust fund kids... disbelief

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Stymie said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:



lol yes, you must be...
I started to not even read this fucking thread.

When someone can give me a list of who got to where they are without walking on the backs of the poor, then i'll have zero problem with them keeping their wealth. No one on this planet got to where they are without help from someone.


are you equating help with being walked on?


did tiger woods walk on the backs of the poor?
did prince, in order to make his wealth?

bill gates?
oprah?
samuel jackson?
george clooney?
gisele?
anna nicole smith?
michael jordan?
richard dawkins?

etc.
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They wrote and said what?!
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Reply #22 posted 07/21/08 12:31pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

Stymie said:

I started to not even read this fucking thread.

When someone can give me a list of who got to where they are without walking on the backs of the poor, then i'll have zero problem with them keeping their wealth. No one on this planet got to where they are without help from someone.


nod the idea of all these self-made millionaires working their fingers to the bones for every penny is just ridiculous.


surely, this kind of labor (in large supply) isn't the only kind you appreciate.

the ability to invest, the connections with other wealthy partners, the labor of poor schmucks on whose backs these millions were made...

and don't even get me started on trust fund kids... disbelief


ah the politics of envy!

i mean, you do understand how property and price work in the US, right?
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They wrote and said what?!
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Reply #23 posted 07/21/08 12:46pm

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HiinEnkelte said:

Stymie said:

I started to not even read this fucking thread.

When someone can give me a list of who got to where they are without walking on the backs of the poor, then i'll have zero problem with them keeping their wealth. No one on this planet got to where they are without help from someone.


are you equating help with being walked on?


did tiger woods walk on the backs of the poor?
did prince, in order to make his wealth?

bill gates?
oprah?
samuel jackson?
george clooney?
michael jordan?
richard dawkins?

etc.
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You really love to read shit that's not even there, don't you?

Standing next to Sarah Palin makes you look smarter.
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Reply #24 posted 07/21/08 12:49pm

HiinEnkelte

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Stymie said:

HiinEnkelte said:



are you equating help with being walked on?


did tiger woods walk on the backs of the poor?
did prince, in order to make his wealth?

bill gates?
oprah?
samuel jackson?
george clooney?
michael jordan?
richard dawkins?

etc.
[Edited 7/21/08 12:25pm]
You really love to read shit that's not even there, don't you?


no i don't (see my questions, especially the first)
but apparently you do.

They wrote and said what?!
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Reply #25 posted 07/21/08 12:54pm

Stymie

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HiinEnkelte said:

Stymie said:

You really love to read shit that's not even there, don't you?


no i don't (see my questions, especially the first)
but apparently you do.
Where did I say someone getting help was being walked on?

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Reply #26 posted 07/21/08 1:04pm

HiinEnkelte

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Stymie said:

HiinEnkelte said:



no i don't (see my questions, especially the first)
but apparently you do.
Where did I say someone getting help was being walked on?


why did i say you did? i'll answer it: i didn't. i think it's quite clear that i asked you if you were equating them. i want to understand the point of that last sentence about help, and what role it plays in the point you were making. If i cannot relate it to the previous statement(s), or it was not part of a larger argument, then you may as well have said that no one ever became rich without eating a meal here and there.

i already answered your first question, and now i answer your second.
you've yet to answer mine.

They wrote and said what?!
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Reply #27 posted 07/21/08 1:05pm

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HiinEnkelte said:

Stymie said:

Where did I say someone getting help was being walked on?


why did i say you did? i'll answer it: i didn't. i think it's quite clear that i asked you if you were equating them. i want to understand the point of that last sentence about help, and what role it plays in the point you were making. If i cannot relate it to the previous statement(s), or it was not part of a larger argument, then you may as well have said that no one ever became rich without eating a meal here and there.

i already answered your first question, and now i answer your second.
you've yet to answer mine.
Where do you see I'm equating them?

And I do not believe anyone, no one has gotten where they are without help.

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Reply #28 posted 07/22/08 11:09am

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Stymie said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:



lol yes, you must be...
I started to not even read this fucking thread.

When someone can give me a list of who got to where they are without walking on the backs of the poor, then i'll have zero problem with them keeping their wealth. No one on this planet got to where they are without help from someone.

who's talking about not helping, though? well...let me say, at least, I'M not talking about not helping. i'm asking why you give based solely on need. i'm asking why those who are successful with their abilities are expected to a) utilize those abilities in the best possible way and then b) expected to part with the fruits of their ability's labor.

i'm all for helping people but only those who are interested in helping themselves. only those who are willing to use what ability they have to add to the "pot."

big whoop...so someone has their hand out. why? why part with the fruits of my work for someone unwilling to do work of their own?

"IF YOU’RE OUT THERE YOU'RE VULNERABLE. PEOPLE PREFER TO DISAPPEAR IN LIFE, TO REPRESS THEIR PERSONALITY. THAT'S NOT LIVING. IT'S DYING. I SEE THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE, THE WALKING DEAD."
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Reply #29 posted 07/22/08 11:10am

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

sassybritches said:

has someone insinuated that? i'm missing it, lol.


lol yes, you must be...

can you help me out, then, and point it out to me. maybe expound on why you think mandela's been called a commie in here.

i mean it's great to laugh and make arrogant remarks but maybe explain yourself while you're at it maybe?

"IF YOU’RE OUT THERE YOU'RE VULNERABLE. PEOPLE PREFER TO DISAPPEAR IN LIFE, TO REPRESS THEIR PERSONALITY. THAT'S NOT LIVING. IT'S DYING. I SEE THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE, THE WALKING DEAD."
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