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ThreadBare said: razor said: Hitler promoted an agenda that encouraged his followers to believe that only his view of what makes a man supreme was the correct view. He then insisted that those who agreed should be willing to fight and die for the cause. All with the ultimate aim of building a larger power base. His followers were good people on the whole looking for a sence of purpose. And all of it was baseless nonsence. Remind you of anything? In Luke 9, Christ instructs His disciples to leave towns where people prove resistant to the Gospel. In fact, He tells them to "shake the dust from their sandals" as they leave the towns. That doesn't sound at all like the talk of Someone Who wanted to brainwash the masses... My final comment on this, lest I belabor the point and become like the gentleman caught on the hamster wheel: The Org constantly reminds me that there's a big difference between not respecting others' opinions and disrespecting those who hold them. I've made it clear that it is your opinions i do not respect, not you (hence my comments about hitlers followers being on the whole good people who were simply mislead), so dont lay that at my door. It is more likely that you interpret critisism of your ideas as personal critisism. Re-read my posts. Not a word of a personal nature, yet you post a "gentlemen on a hamster wheel". Who is the one that reverts to the personal? you could have rebutted my comment, but youn choose an amusing personal dig instead.. For every bible quote you give me I could could give you ten that contrdict it (as you know). I could also give you the history of the church, which also contradicts your claim (and as they say actions speak louder than words). "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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razor said: ThreadBare said: In Luke 9, Christ instructs His disciples to leave towns where people prove resistant to the Gospel. In fact, He tells them to "shake the dust from their sandals" as they leave the towns. That doesn't sound at all like the talk of Someone Who wanted to brainwash the masses... My final comment on this, lest I belabor the point and become like the gentleman caught on the hamster wheel: The Org constantly reminds me that there's a big difference between not respecting others' opinions and disrespecting those who hold them. I've made it clear that it is your opinions i do not respect, not you (hence my comments about hitlers followers being on the whole good people who were simply mislead), so dont lay that at my door. It is more likely that you interpret critisism of your ideas as personal critisism. Re-read my posts. Not a word of a personal nature, yet you post a "gentlemen on a hamster wheel". Who is the one that reverts to the personal? you could have rebutted my comment, but youn choose an amusing personal dig instead.. For every bible quote you give me I could could give you ten that contrdict it (as you know). I could also give you the history of the church, which also contradicts your claim (and as they say actions speak louder than words). Actually, I don't know that.  Your posts are written from the perspective that those who practice Christianity are merely covering up an emptiness to perpetuate the status quo. I reject that perspective as much as you reject my own.
And, I apologize for overreacting to your comparing history's least favorite figure with my Saviour. I should have recognized it for the academic comparison that it was. | |
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razor said: 2the9s said: Wow! Hitler promoted an agenda that encouraged his followers to believe that only his view of what makes a man supreme was the correct view. He then insisted that those who agreed should be willing to fight and die for the cause. All with the ultimate aim of building a larger power base. His followers were good people on the whole looking for a sence of purpose. And all of it was baseless nonsence. Remind you of anything? Hitler also banned guns.  | |
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ThreadBare said: razor said: I've made it clear that it is your opinions i do not respect, not you (hence my comments about hitlers followers being on the whole good people who were simply mislead), so dont lay that at my door. It is more likely that you interpret critisism of your ideas as personal critisism. Re-read my posts. Not a word of a personal nature, yet you post a "gentlemen on a hamster wheel". Who is the one that reverts to the personal? you could have rebutted my comment, but youn choose an amusing personal dig instead.. For every bible quote you give me I could could give you ten that contrdict it (as you know). I could also give you the history of the church, which also contradicts your claim (and as they say actions speak louder than words). Actually, I don't know that. Your posts are written from the perspective that those who practice Christianity are merely covering up an emptiness to perpetuate the status quo. I reject that perspective as much as you reject my own.
And, I apologize for overreacting to your comparing history's least favorite figure with my Saviour. I should have recognized it for the academic comparison that it was. An emptiness? well, i suppose i do belive that, in that faith inherently fills a gap in our lifes, hence it perpetuation. My lack of faith leaves a huge gap in mky life, but i can't fill it with faith whilst i have my wits. what gets me is when the faithful refuse to at least acknowledge that their faith is just that i.e. without any evidencial substance. it's all out there, all the knowledge we have, and none supports any diety. Anyway... do you mean academic as in irrelevant, or from an educational standpoint? btw, I do not compare hitler with Jesus (although I think I could), I compare religion with hitler. From an objective viewpoint there are marked similarities.. [Edited 7/20/08 2:11am] [Edited 7/20/08 2:12am] "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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superman said: razor said: Hitler promoted an agenda that encouraged his followers to believe that only his view of what makes a man supreme was the correct view. He then insisted that those who agreed should be willing to fight and die for the cause. All with the ultimate aim of building a larger power base. His followers were good people on the whole looking for a sence of purpose. And all of it was baseless nonsence. Remind you of anything? Hitler also banned guns. And your point is? "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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razor said: superman said: Hitler also banned guns. And your point is? Hitler was more liberal than he was conservative. | |
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superman said: razor said: And your point is? Hitler was more liberal than he was conservative. o....k. Hitler the liberal. ah yes, I remember that nickname. Right... "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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superman said: razor said: And your point is? Hitler was more liberal than he was conservative. umm No Hitler was a Dictator that didn't want anyone to be able to oppose him. Which is harder to do without firearms. "...I will go to the animal shelter and get you a kitty cat. I will let you fall in love...with that kitty cat. And then on some dark, cold night I will steal away into your home...and punch you in the face!" |
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lazycrockett said: superman said: Hitler was more liberal than he was conservative. umm No Hitler was a Dictator that didn't want anyone to be able to oppose him. Which is harder to do without firearms. ummm yeah. That's why he confiscated guns from the homes of all residents. Just like Stalin and Pol Pot. | |
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superman said: lazycrockett said: umm No Hitler was a Dictator that didn't want anyone to be able to oppose him. Which is harder to do without firearms. ummm yeah. That's why he confiscated guns from the homes of all residents. Just like Stalin and Pol Pot. and that makes him liberal? "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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superman said: lazycrockett said: umm No Hitler was a Dictator that didn't want anyone to be able to oppose him. Which is harder to do without firearms. ummm yeah. That's why he confiscated guns from the homes of all residents. Just like Stalin and Pol Pot. Oh I get it, you are trying to tie liberalism with communism through dictatorship. As I have stated enough times in this forum, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, nor Mao have never been or never were students of Marx. FYI Marxist ideas aren't evil, unless you own capital. [Edited 7/20/08 0:02am] "...I will go to the animal shelter and get you a kitty cat. I will let you fall in love...with that kitty cat. And then on some dark, cold night I will steal away into your home...and punch you in the face!" |
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lazycrockett said: superman said: ummm yeah. That's why he confiscated guns from the homes of all residents. Just like Stalin and Pol Pot. Oh I get it, you are trying to tie liberalism with communism through dictatorship. As I have stated enough times in this forum, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, nor Mao have never been or never were students of Marx. FYI Marxist ideas aren't evil, unless you own capital. [Edited 7/20/08 0:02am] Not evil by ay means. noble sentiments. Just utterly unworkable.. "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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What the hell does Hitler, communism, and liberalism have to do with being equally yoked??? | |
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Janfriend said: What the hell does Hitler, communism, and liberalism have to do with being equally yoked???
lol. Good point. All the best threads wind and twist though. They go where their participants take them... "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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Janfriend said: What the hell does Hitler, communism, and liberalism have to do with being equally yoked???
everything. "...I will go to the animal shelter and get you a kitty cat. I will let you fall in love...with that kitty cat. And then on some dark, cold night I will steal away into your home...and punch you in the face!" |
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razor said: lazycrockett said: Oh I get it, you are trying to tie liberalism with communism through dictatorship. As I have stated enough times in this forum, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, nor Mao have never been or never were students of Marx. FYI Marxist ideas aren't evil, unless you own capital. [Edited 7/20/08 0:02am] Not evil by ay means. noble sentiments. Just utterly unworkable.. It could work if there weren't so many lazy people who realize they can get the same share while doing half the work. | |
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lazycrockett said: Janfriend said: What the hell does Hitler, communism, and liberalism have to do with being equally yoked???
everything. Explain | |
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ah, the "Hitler banned guns" story again. guess to some, the NRA is still considered a reliable, unbiased source for historical information. | |
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as to the equally yoked issue - since people vary in the way they practice their respective faiths, they will also vary on this issue. some with want to be involved with people (not just partners) who completely reflect their beliefs, some will mix it up, and to some this will not even be a question to ask. and some will shift from one to another over time. | |
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alright, i mean really, who are we to think we can say yay or nay to someone's relationship, unequally yoked or no?????
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KidaSaurusRx said: alright, i mean really, who are we to think we can say yay or nay to someone's relationship, unequally yoked or no?????
that person that you think you know, may know something you don't know. Certainly, it's up to the couple involved to make that determination. 
The challenge is if they DO end up unevenly yoked and it's not working, they wanna complain and moan to everyone who tried to warn them in the first place. The counsel in the Bible is there for us to learn how to benefit ourselves -- it's not really doing God any favors. Ya makes ya bed, ya lies in it.  [Edited 7/21/08 16:46pm] | |
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Uhope said: KidaSaurusRx said: alright, i mean really, who are we to think we can say yay or nay to someone's relationship, unequally yoked or no?????
that person that you think you know, may know something you don't know. Certainly, it's up to the couple involved to make that determination.
The challenge is if they DO end up unevenly yoked and it's not working, they wanna complain and moan to everyone who tried to warn them in the first place. The counsel in the Bible is there for us to learn how to benefit ourselves -- it's not really doing God any favors. Ya makes ya bed, ya lies in it.
[Edited 7/21/08 16:46pm] So, anyone who marry's outside their faith will end up miserable? "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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razor said: Uhope said: Certainly, it's up to the couple involved to make that determination.
The challenge is if they DO end up unevenly yoked and it's not working, they wanna complain and moan to everyone who tried to warn them in the first place. The counsel in the Bible is there for us to learn how to benefit ourselves -- it's not really doing God any favors. Ya makes ya bed, ya lies in it.
[Edited 7/21/08 16:46pm] So, anyone who marry's outside their faith will end up miserable? They'd most likely be incompatible and fight because of their differing opinions. (now where's that Satanist and Christian thread?) 
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wildgoldenhoney said: razor said: So, anyone who marry's outside their faith will end up miserable? They'd most likely be incompatible and fight because of their differing opinions. (now where's that Satanist and Christian thread?) Most likely? on what evidence? My wife is catholic and i am an aethist. We manage fine thank you (you know, maturity and all that)... "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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wildgoldenhoney said: razor said: So, anyone who marry's outside their faith will end up miserable? They'd most likely be incompatible and fight because of their differing opinions. (now where's that Satanist and Christian thread?) Yeah, what she said.
Notice I said "and it's not working". I think I explained my reasons (for those who are active participants in their faith) in previous posts.  [Edited 7/21/08 17:03pm] | |
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Uhope said: wildgoldenhoney said: They'd most likely be incompatible and fight because of their differing opinions. (now where's that Satanist and Christian thread?) Yeah, what she said.
Notice I said "and it's not working". I think I explained my reasons (for those who are active participants in their faith) in previous posts.
[Edited 7/21/08 17:03pm] Yep, just re-read them. Sorry, I didn't realise you were an extremist. Shame you would rule out the vast majority of the world as your potential partner. And I thought my wife was demanding... "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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No one has even seem to mention that people also convert
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razor said: Uhope said: Yeah, what she said.
Notice I said "and it's not working". I think I explained my reasons (for those who are active participants in their faith) in previous posts.
[Edited 7/21/08 17:03pm] Yep, just re-read them. Sorry, I didn't realise you were an extremist. Shame you would rule out the vast majority of the world as your potential partner. And I thought my wife was demanding... Well, then, I hope you appreciate her now. Always remember this thread whenever you feel an argument coming on.
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wildgoldenhoney said: razor said: Yep, just re-read them. Sorry, I didn't realise you were an extremist. Shame you would rule out the vast majority of the world as your potential partner. And I thought my wife was demanding... Well, then, I hope you appreciate her now. Always remember this thread whenever you feel an argument coming on.
Not sure she would be happy if I said " well, at least you're not a religious extremist" as my core expression of happiness with my marriage! [Edited 7/21/08 17:19pm] "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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