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Janfriend said: Flowerz said: you calling yourself a Jim Jones? ... i dont even know why you brought that up .. that have nothing to do with the Lord showing YOU ... right from wrong... if u dont want to believe.. that's on u I didn't say anything about ME being Jim Jones. Read it again .. the only person here who needs to read again .. is you ... cause i said in 3 posts.... of how the Lord will speak to YOU about what's right and wrong and he'll show you the dangers ahead (that goes for relationships) none of my posts say anything about seeking somebody else's advice (as you keep interjecting cause that's on YOUR MIND)..... God is not a God of confusion.... u dont believe that...well that's on you ..... and no, u obviously DONT KNOW.. about jw's beliefs.. for 1, they dont accept the Virgin Birth and they literally dont accept certain scriptures of the Bible (cause they dont believe in them)... is why they wrote their own book..... Mormons believe in their own doctrine also (apart from the Word) ..... | |
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JWs do believe that Jesus is the son of God. They are Christian. When I studied with them, we closed with prayer with all prayer being asked for in Jesus' name. They use a different translation of the Bible, which many other faiths do. They did not write their own book. Although it is not my path, I hate to continue to see the untruths going on in this forum. | |
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Flowerz said: Janfriend said: I didn't say anything about ME being Jim Jones. Read it again .. the only person here who needs to read again .. is you ... cause i said in 3 posts.... of how the Lord will speak to YOU about what's right and wrong and he'll show you the dangers ahead (that goes for relationships) none of my posts say anything about seeking somebody else's advice (as you keep interjecting cause that's on YOUR MIND)..... God is not a God of confusion.... u dont believe that...well that's on you ..... and no, u obviously DONT KNOW.. about jw's beliefs.. for 1, they dont accept the Virgin Birth and they literally dont accept certain scriptures of the Bible (cause they dont believe in them)... is why they wrote their own book..... Mormons believe in their own doctrine also (apart from the Word) ..... I never said anything about seeking the advice of others. Asking people their opinion on a subject (which you particpated in) is not seeking advice | |
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uhm .. Jesus being the Son .. and the Virgin Birth .. are 2 different things... they dont believe in hell either... so please.. you folks need to go back and learn about doctrine.... .. and Jan... your constant bringing up Jim Jones... is in your own mind and again... read the posts... ..and again.. the holy scriptures IS NOT another interpretation of the Holy King James... that is their own written word... | |
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Flowerz said: uhm .. Jesus being the Son .. and the Virgin Birth .. are 2 different things... they dont believe in hell either... so please.. you folks need to go back and learn about doctrine.... .. and Jan... your constant bringing up Jim Jones... is in your own mind and again... read the posts... ..and again.. the holy scriptures IS NOT another interpretation of the Holy King James... that is their own written word...
Have you read their version? I need to go back and learn doctrine? Meaning?[Edited 7/17/08 16:58pm] | |
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Flowerz said: uhm .. Jesus being the Son .. and the Virgin Birth .. are 2 different things... they dont believe in hell either... so please.. you folks need to go back and learn about doctrine.... .. and Jan... your constant bringing up Jim Jones... is in your own mind and again... read the posts... ..and again.. the holy scriptures IS NOT another interpretation of the Holy King James... that is their own written word...
[Edited 7/17/08 16:58pm] Please educate yourself on the King James version of the Bible and how it came to be. I didn't say the NWT was another interpretation of the KJV. It's simply a different translation There are other Christian denominations that don;t believe in and actual Hell, and? I only brought up Jim Jones once to make a point, yet you're still stuck on that | |
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Janfriend said: Flowerz said: .. the only person here who needs to read again .. is you ... cause i said in 3 posts.... of how the Lord will speak to YOU about what's right and wrong and he'll show you the dangers ahead (that goes for relationships) none of my posts say anything about seeking somebody else's advice (as you keep interjecting cause that's on YOUR MIND)..... God is not a God of confusion.... u dont believe that...well that's on you ..... and no, u obviously DONT KNOW.. about jw's beliefs.. for 1, they dont accept the Virgin Birth and they literally dont accept certain scriptures of the Bible (cause they dont believe in them)... is why they wrote their own book..... Mormons believe in their own doctrine also (apart from the Word) ..... I never said anything about seeking the advice of others. Asking people their opinion on a subject (which you particpated in) is not seeking advice Janfriend said: Keep believing that. I have seen deception in churches by so-called Holy people. Jim Jones anyone?
.. this doesnt even have anything to do with what i typed... in 3 posts... | |
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Stymie said: Flowerz said: uhm .. Jesus being the Son .. and the Virgin Birth .. are 2 different things... they dont believe in hell either... so please.. you folks need to go back and learn about doctrine.... .. and Jan... your constant bringing up Jim Jones... is in your own mind and again... read the posts... ..and again.. the holy scriptures IS NOT another interpretation of the Holy King James... that is their own written word...
Have you read their version? I need to go back and learn doctrine? Meaning?[Edited 7/17/08 16:58pm] lol.....u're sitting in the next thread actually 'debating' about jw's giving medical care to their sick (that they dont have to cause of their beliefs) and u're sitting here saying that's Christian? .....  my gosh... even the atheist folks arguing with you over there are speaking the truth as far as saying the jw's are wrong[Edited 7/17/08 18:28pm] | |
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"Equally yoked" comes from a Bible verse and was referenced in your original post as part of your discussion with an "uppity" Christian man. So, it's natural that other Christians would speak in defense of the Bible, as it's central to our faith.
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Flowerz said: Stymie said: Have you read their version? I need to go back and learn doctrine? Meaning?
lol.....u're sitting in the next thread actually 'debating' about jw's giving medical care to their sick (that they dont have to cause of their beliefs) and u're sitting here saying that's Christian? ..... my gosh... even the atheist folks arguing with you over there are speaking the truth as far as saying the jw's are wrong
[Edited 7/17/08 18:28pm] Let's say your faith tells you that watching Harry potter movies is wrong because it's witchcraft. Now, people of other faiths may think you're being silly but you don't. It boils down to a matter of respect. We can all sit here all day and say who's not Christian or JWs are wrong but at the end of the day, it's only for God to decide. And what other people say in that thread is of no consequence to me. No one knows for sure, do they? Your truth is your truth and not universal. | |
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Stymie said: It boils down to a matter of respect.
no, it boils down to common sense... the Lord does not send judgement to people who bring their kids to the doctor for help if u want to believe that lie (as the jw's do) .. that is your life..
No one knows for sure, do they? Your truth is your truth and not universal.
... yes, people do know for sure, because of their miraculous experiences... cause the Lord granted folks a 'free will' to seek Him .... folks choose to walk their own way and dont want to hear what the Lord says .. | |
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Flowerz said:[quote] Janfriend said: Janfriend said: Keep believing that. I have seen deception in churches by so-called Holy people. Jim Jones anyone?
.. this doesnt even have anything to do with what i typed... in 3 posts... What? You said uh yes, God WILL let you know... He is real... God Almighty doesnt leave any of His people in the dark as far as who they should be hanging around with.... I responded with I have seen deception in churches by so-called Holy people. Jim Jones anyone? MEANING your stance on God's people not being in the dark as far as who they should hang around is false because some people who are in the church and are "of God" have deceived God's people. I mentioned Jim Jones as an example. He was devil disguised as a man of God and led many of God's people astray. He deceived them and I'm sure those people had discernment and felt that God was leading them in the right direction. Same can be said of those who were molested in the Catholic Church. None of those people knew instantly these people were evil, yet they were believers and followers of God and Jesus and the Bible | |
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ThreadBare said: "Equally yoked" comes from a Bible verse and was referenced in your original post as part of your discussion with an "uppity" Christian man. So, it's natural that other Christians would speak in defense of the Bible, as it's central to our faith.
Would you prefer that Christians have a nonchalant attitude about what the Bible says about relationships? I've witnessed no one defending anything, just making judgments EDIT: My "uppity" comment had to do with his tone and attitude of superiority [Edited 7/17/08 19:53pm] | |
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Flowerz said: Stymie said: It boils down to a matter of respect.
no, it boils down to common sense... the Lord does not send judgement to people who bring their kids to the doctor for help if u want to believe that lie (as the jw's do) .. that is your life..
No one knows for sure, do they? Your truth is your truth and not universal.
... yes, people do know for sure, because of their miraculous experiences... cause the Lord granted folks a 'free will' to seek Him .... folks choose to walk their own way and dont want to hear what the Lord says .. Yes, God granted free will to those who believe and even though I do believe, I have no proof. I will leave you to your thoughts because it seems to be all about proving everyone is wrong but you but I will say this: I hope to one day read that most of the Christians on this site are loving and inviting instead of pushing people away. | |
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Janfriend said: ThreadBare said: "Equally yoked" comes from a Bible verse and was referenced in your original post as part of your discussion with an "uppity" Christian man. So, it's natural that other Christians would speak in defense of the Bible, as it's central to our faith.
Would you prefer that Christians have a nonchalant attitude about what the Bible says about relationships? I've witnessed no one defending anything, just making judgments | |
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Janfriend said: You said uh yes, God WILL let you know... He is real... God Almighty doesnt leave any of His people in the dark as far as who they should be hanging around with....
I responded with I have seen deception in churches by so-called Holy people. Jim Jones anyone? MEANING your stance on God's people not being in the dark as far as who they should hang around is false because some people who are in the church and are "of God" have deceived God's people. I mentioned Jim Jones as an example. He was devil disguised as a man of God and led many of God's people astray. He deceived them and I'm sure those people had discernment and felt that God was leading them in the right direction. Same can be said of those who were molested in the Catholic Church. None of those people knew instantly these people were evil, yet they were believers and followers of God and Jesus and the Bible and again ... with all that you typed... has nothing to do with my statement of when i said... 'The Lord will show YOU'... if u want to call YOURSELF dark, and a Jim Jones.. that is your business.... (cause my statement of the Lord doesnt leave His people in the dark... ..refered to YOU.. HELLO?) .. omgosh 
wait, i should have done this... 'The Lord will not leave Janfriend in the dark (to see the danger ahead) .. if she asks Him the way' ... [Edited 7/17/08 19:42pm] | |
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Flowerz said: Janfriend said: You said uh yes, God WILL let you know... He is real... God Almighty doesnt leave any of His people in the dark as far as who they should be hanging around with....
I responded with I have seen deception in churches by so-called Holy people. Jim Jones anyone? MEANING your stance on God's people not being in the dark as far as who they should hang around is false because some people who are in the church and are "of God" have deceived God's people. I mentioned Jim Jones as an example. He was devil disguised as a man of God and led many of God's people astray. He deceived them and I'm sure those people had discernment and felt that God was leading them in the right direction. Same can be said of those who were molested in the Catholic Church. None of those people knew instantly these people were evil, yet they were believers and followers of God and Jesus and the Bible and again ... with all that you typed... has nothing to do with my statement of when i said... 'The Lord will show YOU'... if u want to call YOURSELF dark, and a Jim Jones.. that is your business.... (cause my statement of the Lord doesnt leave His people in the dark... ..refered to YOU.. HELLO?) .. omgosh
wait, i should have done this... 'The Lord will not leave Janfriend in the dark (to see the danger ahead) .. if she asks Him the way' ... [Edited 7/17/08 19:42pm] And the faithful on here say religion isn't inherently devisive. Clearly not...  "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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Flowerz said: Janfriend said: You said uh yes, God WILL let you know... He is real... God Almighty doesnt leave any of His people in the dark as far as who they should be hanging around with....
I responded with I have seen deception in churches by so-called Holy people. Jim Jones anyone? MEANING your stance on God's people not being in the dark as far as who they should hang around is false because some people who are in the church and are "of God" have deceived God's people. I mentioned Jim Jones as an example. He was devil disguised as a man of God and led many of God's people astray. He deceived them and I'm sure those people had discernment and felt that God was leading them in the right direction. Same can be said of those who were molested in the Catholic Church. None of those people knew instantly these people were evil, yet they were believers and followers of God and Jesus and the Bible and again ... with all that you typed... has nothing to do with my statement of when i said... 'The Lord will show YOU'... if u want to call YOURSELF dark, and a Jim Jones.. that is your business.... (cause my statement of the Lord doesnt leave His people in the dark... ..refered to YOU.. HELLO?) .. omgosh
wait, i should have done this... 'The Lord will not leave Janfriend in the dark (to see the danger ahead) .. if she asks Him the way' ... [Edited 7/17/08 19:42pm] You really lack comprehension and you're really starting to piss me off with your blatant disrespect. I am not in the dark. I never said I was in the dark or like Jim Jones. WHERE are you getting this from???? EDIT: Why are you addressing me directly on this when I asked for individual's opinions on a concept that seems more divisive than loving? I did not ask for you to try to convince me or guide me to what you believe. I did not ask for your advice on how I should be. God is with me everyday. [Edited 7/17/08 19:57pm] | |
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Flowerz said:[quote] Janfriend said: im going by your initial post... and you said... You would say no to a relationship because they were of a different faith?
.. and you get to know a person and their beliefs are not the same as yours..... [b]how are you gonna form a spiritual bond with someone who is not in agreement with you? if they have a different belief than you, there will always be conflict....2 cant walk together unless they agree.... let me give you an example: .. you meet a dude, and he tells you over time.. he doesnt want you wearing make-up or pants anymore and starts picking things out of your life that HE doesnt like, but you like them and there's nothing wrong with them.....he has his own convictions about what YOU should be doing and puts that off on you .... are you gonna give up who you are for what he wants? all because of his beliefs? [/b] My wife disagrees with me all the time. I find we get on fine... "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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razor said: Flowerz said: and again ... with all that you typed... has nothing to do with my statement of when i said... 'The Lord will show YOU'... if u want to call YOURSELF dark, and a Jim Jones.. that is your business.... (cause my statement of the Lord doesnt leave His people in the dark... ..refered to YOU.. HELLO?) .. omgosh
wait, i should have done this... 'The Lord will not leave Janfriend in the dark (to see the danger ahead) .. if she asks Him the way' ... [Edited 7/17/08 19:42pm] And the faithful on here say religion isn't inherently devisive. Clearly not... | |
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Jan ... are you not a Child of God? .. well, God will not leave you in the dark about future dangers if you ask Him .... when i say 'in the dark' .. im talking about when u meet someone for the 1st time and u dont know about them, God will give you a warning or He will let you know this or that person is ok..... im not referring to 'darkness' and evil .. | |
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Stymie said: razor said: And the faithful on here say religion isn't inherently devisive. Clearly not... This has be one of the saddest threads I've read for ages. Such close minded bigotry. Ah well, just another reason to thank the lord I am not religious... "It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him"
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razor said: Stymie said: Religion is very divisive.
This has be one of the saddest threads I've read for ages. Such close minded bigotry. Ah well, just another reason to thank the lord I am not religious... | |
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razor said: Stymie said: Religion is very divisive.
This has be one of the saddest threads I've read for ages. Such close minded bigotry. Ah well, just another reason to thank the lord I am not religious... Unfortunately, I agree with you.  ONLY LOSERS FEAR A MORE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD~~Sananda Maitreya Beware of men that will not go down! (I wish my momma had taught me all this)-BklynBabe | |
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Flowerz said: Jan ... are you not a Child of God? .. well, God will not leave you in the dark about future dangers if you ask Him .... when i say 'in the dark' .. im talking about when u meet someone for the 1st time and u dont know about them, God will give you a warning or He will let you know this or that person is ok..... im not referring to 'darkness' and evil ..
Honestly flowers, I know nothing about your life experiences, but I will say I have experienced enough in my life to know that Children of God are deceived just like "non-believers." God gives everyone what they call "vibes" or "intuition," They call it discernment, but it is also known that man should not give into to their feelings like that. You may get the "vibe" someone is worthy of your acquaintance and then later their deception comes to light. The wicked are just as powerful as the righteous. It usually takes time to discern anything. You have to observe things and listen | |
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Stymie said: razor said: And the faithful on here say religion isn't inherently devisive. Clearly not... Indeed, it is. Jesus, for all of the love He embodies (John 3:16), was constantly saying things that were divisive (Mark 10:29). Chief among these, illustrating just how emphatically He expected His followers to live for Him, is this passage from Luke 12: 49 I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law. Followers of Christ being warned to not be yoked with people outside Christ's Church? Doesn't seem so hard to believe, given Christ's own comments concerning believers and families. Throughout the Bible, there is a continual theme of sanctification, whereby God set aside those with whom He walked in relationship and covenant and devotion. It would follow, then, that those humans who walked thusly with Him would be encouraged to give themselves in marriage only to others who shared the same perspective. How can two walk together, lest they agree? (Amos 3:3) | |
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ThreadBare said: Stymie said: Religion is very divisive.
Indeed, it is. Jesus, for all of the love He embodies (John 3:16), was constantly saying things that were divisive (Mark 10:29). Chief among these, illustrating just how emphatically He expected His followers to live for Him, is this passage from Luke 12: 49 I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law. Followers of Christ being warned to not be yoked with people outside Christ's Church? Doesn't seem so hard to believe, given Christ's own comments concerning believers and families. Throughout the Bible, there is a continual theme of sanctification, whereby God set aside those with whom He walked in relationship and covenant and devotion. It would follow, then, that those humans who walked thusly with Him would be encouraged to give themselves in marriage only to others who shared the same perspective. How can two walk together, lest they agree? (Amos 3:3) Anywho, I like to thin kthis is not something the Father holds against people. | |
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Stymie said: ThreadBare said: Indeed, it is. Jesus, for all of the love He embodies (John 3:16), was constantly saying things that were divisive (Mark 10:29). Chief among these, illustrating just how emphatically He expected His followers to live for Him, is this passage from Luke 12: 49 I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law. Followers of Christ being warned to not be yoked with people outside Christ's Church? Doesn't seem so hard to believe, given Christ's own comments concerning believers and families. Throughout the Bible, there is a continual theme of sanctification, whereby God set aside those with whom He walked in relationship and covenant and devotion. It would follow, then, that those humans who walked thusly with Him would be encouraged to give themselves in marriage only to others who shared the same perspective. How can two walk together, lest they agree? (Amos 3:3) Anywho, I like to thin kthis is not something the Father holds against people. Would that the evil that Christian/church folk do wouldn't detract from people's impressions of the points of the Bible. But, ambassadors represent, either positively or negatively. | |
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ThreadBare said: Stymie said: I have no problem with Christians following the evenly yoked thing but even in sharing the same perspective, there will be disagreement and not a guarantee that things will work out. My grandfather was Church Dude but it didn't stop him from cheating on my grandmother or beating the living daylights out of her.
Anywho, I like to thin kthis is not something the Father holds against people. Would that the evil that Christian/church folk do wouldn't detract from people's impressions of the points of the Bible. But, ambassadors represent, either positively or negatively. | |
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