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Child molester sentenced to 1,330 years One of today's headlines and it struck me as one of the most silliest things, and it makes me sad. Not for the person sentenced his crimes are horrendous, but for our judicial system. Is our judicial system so flimsy that it takes ridiculous sounding rulings to render it effective?
Horace Mann Williams of Hemet on Monday received a 1,330-year sentence for molesting two girls under age 14 repeatedly between 1999 and 2005. In February, he was convicted of 12 felony counts in the case. He was eligible for enhanced sentencing because his crimes involved multiple victims. "Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man."  General Ann Dunwoody | |
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Waste of tax payers money. If u want some censored shit.......go elsewhere. If u want the TRUTH, come 2 me. | |
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Graycap23 said: Waste of tax payers money.
How so? | |
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WellInever said: Graycap23 said: Waste of tax payers money.
How so? Housing/feeding/etc this fool until he dies? If u want some censored shit.......go elsewhere. If u want the TRUTH, come 2 me. | |
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Graycap23 said: WellInever said: How so? Housing/feeding/etc this fool until he dies? So should they release him or execute him? [Edited 7/1/08 13:19pm] | |
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WellInever said: Graycap23 said: Housing/feeding/etc this fool until he dies? So they release him or execute him? Put his punk ass in a ring with me for 5 rounds. If u want some censored shit.......go elsewhere. If u want the TRUTH, come 2 me. | |
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Graycap23 said: WellInever said: So they release him or execute him? Put his punk ass in a ring with me for 5 rounds. Hard labour, and I mean HARD work-like-a-japanese-prisoner-of-war LABOUR. Wer ist dort? Unterbrechende Kuh. Unterbrech... Muh!!! | |
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Graycap23 said: WellInever said: So they release him or execute him? Put his punk ass in a ring with me for 5 rounds.  Yeah, that would be more direct.
It's just still ridiculous to me to sentence somebody for 1,000 years when the human life span is only a fraction of that time. That just means that sentencing someone for like 60 years is ineffective because of so many loopholes. Ridiculous sentences have to be handed down in order to guarantee keeping this type of person off the street, something is seriously wrong when it has to go to this extreme to exact justice. "Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man." General Ann Dunwoody | |
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morningsong said: Graycap23 said: Put his punk ass in a ring with me for 5 rounds. Yeah, that would be more direct.
It's just still ridiculous to me to sentence somebody for 1,000 years when the human life span is only a fraction of that time. That just means that sentencing someone for like 60 years is ineffective because of so many loopholes. Ridiculous sentences have to be handed down in order to guarantee keeping this type of person off the street, something is seriously wrong when it has to go to this extreme to exact justice. You are missing the point. The purpose isn't to give him so many years to make him stay behind bars. The purpose is that he is sentenced for every crime he is convicted of. The judge cannot say because your sentence is already 130 (ex.) years, we won't sentence you for the rest of the crimes you've been convicted of. If you are charged and found guilty you are sentenced for each crime you were found guilty of. If you've been on a crime spree the years add up. Obviously in this case the man had a long enough criminal history that the prosecutor could apply separate charges but knowing the charges are the same, there is not a separate investigation involving each charge, so it's a win/ win for the prosecutor to charge with as many crimes as possible but not have to explore most of them. Then the prosecutor gets a sentence where he doesn't have to worry about parole. It would not surprise me if there were other crimes he was not charged with, just in case. The just in case would be if he won acquittal, then additional charges could be brought to have a second chance at a conviction without violating double jeopardy protections. Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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I don't know. The BTK serial killer got 10 consecutive life sentences which gives him a minimum of 175 years before parole. How the heck you come up with 1,300 years as a form a punishment for all crimes charged seems just empty action better yet like kicking a dead horse. How many charges had to be laid on the table to get to 1,300yrs if consecutive 1st degree murder charges gets you 15 yrs before parole (the first one gets 40yrs)? It's sad the prosecution had to go that far to guarantee their case? "Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man." General Ann Dunwoody | |
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morningsong said: I don't know. The BTK serial killer got 10 consecutive life sentences which gives him a minimum of 175 years before parole. How the heck you come up with 1,300 years as a form a punishment for all crimes charged seems just empty action better yet like kicking a dead horse. How many charges had to be laid on the table to get to 1,300yrs if consecutive 1st degree murder charges gets you 15 yrs before parole (the first one gets 40yrs)? It's sad the prosecution had to go that far to guarantee their case?
Think about it this way - It's not how many years you want to sentence him for, it's how many laws you want to charge him with violating. If each sentence for a molestation charge is say ten years, then that's 130 counts spread among a number of defendants. Do you want to drop some charges, because his sentence is already more than he could serve? How do you justify that to the victims and their families? The victims and families will want justice (retribution) so you prosecute. Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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SUPRMAN said: morningsong said: I don't know. The BTK serial killer got 10 consecutive life sentences which gives him a minimum of 175 years before parole. How the heck you come up with 1,300 years as a form a punishment for all crimes charged seems just empty action better yet like kicking a dead horse. How many charges had to be laid on the table to get to 1,300yrs if consecutive 1st degree murder charges gets you 15 yrs before parole (the first one gets 40yrs)? It's sad the prosecution had to go that far to guarantee their case?
Think about it this way - It's not how many years you want to sentence him for, it's how many laws you want to charge him with violating. If each sentence for a molestation charge is say ten years, then that's 130 counts spread among a number of defendants. Do you want to drop some charges, because his sentence is already more than he could serve? How do you justify that to the victims and their families? The victims and families will want justice (retribution) so you prosecute. There were 2 victims, granted it was over a long period of time. Still, there is no retribution beyond ones entire life to get. Gone are the days that your children, and your children's children, pay for your "sins", thank God. So what's the difference between 100yrs vs 1,300yrs. The only way I can see anybody needing to get that extreme is because the system is so flawed that the convicted can easily get away with it regardless of the severity of the charges, so the prosecution has to go to the moon and back to lock this person down. That's just crazy. "Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man." General Ann Dunwoody | |
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morningsong said: SUPRMAN said: Think about it this way - It's not how many years you want to sentence him for, it's how many laws you want to charge him with violating. If each sentence for a molestation charge is say ten years, then that's 130 counts spread among a number of defendants. Do you want to drop some charges, because his sentence is already more than he could serve? How do you justify that to the victims and their families? The victims and families will want justice (retribution) so you prosecute. There were 2 victims, granted it was over a long period of time. Still, there is no retribution beyond ones entire life to get. Gone are the days that your children, and your children's children, pay for your "sins", thank God. So what's the difference between 100yrs vs 1,300yrs. The only way I can see anybody needing to get that extreme is because the system is so flawed that the convicted can easily get away with it regardless of the severity of the charges, so the prosecution has to go to the moon and back to lock this person down. That's just crazy. Again, the lifespan of a person is irrelevant. Do you stop sentencing once you reach 100 years? What about the rest of the crimes the person(s) were convicted of? If there's no sentence attached, why try the crime? The goal is not to give them a punishment that keeps them behind bars, it is to punish them for EACH violation of the law that they are convicted of. Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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SUPRMAN said: morningsong said: There were 2 victims, granted it was over a long period of time. Still, there is no retribution beyond ones entire life to get. Gone are the days that your children, and your children's children, pay for your "sins", thank God. So what's the difference between 100yrs vs 1,300yrs. The only way I can see anybody needing to get that extreme is because the system is so flawed that the convicted can easily get away with it regardless of the severity of the charges, so the prosecution has to go to the moon and back to lock this person down. That's just crazy. Again, the lifespan of a person is irrelevant. Do you stop sentencing once you reach 100 years? What about the rest of the crimes the person(s) were convicted of? If there's no sentence attached, why try the crime? The goal is not to give them a punishment that keeps them behind bars, it is to punish them for EACH violation of the law that they are convicted of. But you can't really punish with 1,300yrs. What the heck does that do, if it's not to guarantee they'll never get out of jail? "Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man." General Ann Dunwoody | |
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Graycap23 said: WellInever said: So they release him or execute him? Put his punk ass in a ring with me for 5 rounds. Sounds like a good show Gray, but I'd rather just see him whacked! | |
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Empress said: Graycap23 said: Put his punk ass in a ring with me for 5 rounds. Sounds like a good show Gray, but I'd rather just see him whacked! Me 2..... If u want some censored shit.......go elsewhere. If u want the TRUTH, come 2 me. | |
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morningsong said: SUPRMAN said: Again, the lifespan of a person is irrelevant. Do you stop sentencing once you reach 100 years? What about the rest of the crimes the person(s) were convicted of? If there's no sentence attached, why try the crime? The goal is not to give them a punishment that keeps them behind bars, it is to punish them for EACH violation of the law that they are convicted of. But you can't really punish with 1,300yrs. What the heck does that do, if it's not to guarantee they'll never get out of jail? Not getting out of jail is a side effect of the sentencing. But again, do you not sentence him for some crimes because he could not really serve the sentence? If you aren't going to sentence him/her for some crimes, then why go through the expense of trying him/her on those charges? So go tell the victims and their families that we aren't going to try him for what he did to you, it's not like he's ever getting out . . . See how well that goes over. Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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SUPRMAN said: morningsong said: But you can't really punish with 1,300yrs. What the heck does that do, if it's not to guarantee they'll never get out of jail? Not getting out of jail is a side effect of the sentencing. But again, do you not sentence him for some crimes because he could not really serve the sentence? If you aren't going to sentence him/her for some crimes, then why go through the expense of trying him/her on those charges? So go tell the victims and their families that we aren't going to try him for what he did to you, it's not like he's ever getting out . . . See how well that goes over.  THE SIDE EFFECT??? Shouldn't it be the whole kit and kaboodle? If one charge would keep him behind bars for the rest of his life, isn't that what the family really wants? Outside of his head on a stick, what good do a million and one charges do a victim's family? I mean, I can't imagine what victory is there in 1,300yrs vs 500 vs 100 vs 60, he's in jail for life that's all anybody can get, unless a sentence of 60yrs can be easily overturned there is no way 1,300 yrs is some great victory it grandstanding and silly."Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man." General Ann Dunwoody | |
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morningsong said: SUPRMAN said: Not getting out of jail is a side effect of the sentencing. But again, do you not sentence him for some crimes because he could not really serve the sentence? If you aren't going to sentence him/her for some crimes, then why go through the expense of trying him/her on those charges? So go tell the victims and their families that we aren't going to try him for what he did to you, it's not like he's ever getting out . . . See how well that goes over. THE SIDE EFFECT??? Shouldn't it be the whole kit and kaboodle? If [b]one charge would keep him behind bars for the rest of his life, isn't that what the family really wants?[/b] Outside of his head on a stick, what good do a million and one charges do a victim's family? I mean, I can't imagine what victory is there in 1,300yrs vs 500 vs 100 vs 60, he's in jail for life that's all anybody can get, unless a sentence of 60yrs can be easily overturned there is no way 1,300 yrs is some great victory it grandstanding and silly.If more than one family is involved, do you think the other families are going to settle for knowing he's behind bars but that they never will be able to confront him or know that he is being held legally responsible for what he's done to them? Do you think victims and their families will accept that? It may sound silly but in this country, it's about revenge and retribution. I don't see society being that accepting, silly or not. Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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Revenge? 1,300yrs is called revenge? Sorry, I don't see it. His butt under the jail is revenge. Adding things up on a calculator and putting it down on some piece of paper somewhere in a file is hardly justice or revenge that's just accounting. You have to do some serious digging to rack up that many charges to get that many years, when a serial killer can only rack up 175. To me that's starting to look like a healthy list of expenses. "Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man." General Ann Dunwoody | |
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put him in the general populous in prison - he won't last long! "I may not agree with what you say but I'll fight for your right to say it"
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^^ some security person's little ooops. "Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man." General Ann Dunwoody | |
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morningsong said: Revenge? 1,300yrs is called revenge? Sorry, I don't see it. His butt under the jail is revenge. Adding things up on a calculator and putting it down on some piece of paper somewhere in a file is hardly justice or revenge that's just accounting. You have to do some serious digging to rack up that many charges to get that many years, when a serial killer can only rack up 175. To me that's starting to look like a healthy list of expenses.
 That ain't justice for the victims, that's sounding like cha-ching.Do you think our justice system is about justice. More about revenge and cha-ching. It sounds like you want to change sentencing laws but why does a murderer have to do more time? Because the crime is more heinous? If your sentences add up to 1300 years it may just mean a longer criminal history. But nothing says one has to be punished more than the other. Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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SUPRMAN said: morningsong said: Revenge? 1,300yrs is called revenge? Sorry, I don't see it. His butt under the jail is revenge. Adding things up on a calculator and putting it down on some piece of paper somewhere in a file is hardly justice or revenge that's just accounting. You have to do some serious digging to rack up that many charges to get that many years, when a serial killer can only rack up 175. To me that's starting to look like a healthy list of expenses.
That ain't justice for the victims, that's sounding like cha-ching.Do you think our justice system is about justice. More about revenge and cha-ching.It sounds like you want to change sentencing laws but why does a murderer have to do more time? Because the crime is more heinous? If your sentences add up to 1300 years it may just mean a longer criminal history. But nothing says one has to be punished more than the other. Aww, there you might be on to something. As I thought about it, it would be interesting to know the status of the victims' families, than anything else. All that leg work gotta add up to something. Changing the justice system, me, I haven't a clue where to begin. I just know, that 1,300yrs sounds like a kid saying they have a hundred billion trillion of something, it's just hollow words that signify nothing. A shame the justice system has to give out empty heck I don't even have a word for it, cause it ain't a punishment, or threat it's just an impossible number. "Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man." General Ann Dunwoody | |
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he deserves every year. | |
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superman said: he deserves every year.
Hey you, cut it out. You know we're not supposed to be agreeing like this. 
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morningsong said: SUPRMAN said: Not getting out of jail is a side effect of the sentencing. But again, do you not sentence him for some crimes because he could not really serve the sentence? If you aren't going to sentence him/her for some crimes, then why go through the expense of trying him/her on those charges? So go tell the victims and their families that we aren't going to try him for what he did to you, it's not like he's ever getting out . . . See how well that goes over. THE SIDE EFFECT??? Shouldn't it be the whole kit and kaboodle? If one charge would keep him behind bars for the rest of his life, isn't that what the family really wants? Outside of his head on a stick, what good do a million and one charges do a victim's family? I mean, I can't imagine what victory is there in 1,300yrs vs 500 vs 100 vs 60, he's in jail for life that's all anybody can get, unless a sentence of 60yrs can be easily overturned there is no way 1,300 yrs is some great victory it grandstanding and silly.But what about the other family? Do you not charge the man for the other girl's rape/abuse just because he was charged for the first girl's rape/abuse and was sentenced to 120 years (or whatever the sentence might be)? Look at it in this way, once the sentence gets ridiculous like that, it hasn't become a matter of keeping the perp behind bars, because he will be there, but it has become about making sure that the victims each receive their justice for the crimes committed against them. Each abuse, each rape, carries with it it's own sentence. These girls suffered repeatedly at his hands, and each time they suffered he received another sentence to ensure that they received justice for each crime committed against them. ing one day about racial prejudice, Paramahansa Yogananda said, "God is not pleased to be insulted when He wears His dark suits." | |
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SUPRMAN said: superman said: he deserves every year.
Hey you, cut it out. You know we're not supposed to be agreeing like this.
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LittleRedCorvette said: morningsong said: THE SIDE EFFECT??? Shouldn't it be the whole kit and kaboodle? If one charge would keep him behind bars for the rest of his life, isn't that what the family really wants? Outside of his head on a stick, what good do a million and one charges do a victim's family? I mean, I can't imagine what victory is there in 1,300yrs vs 500 vs 100 vs 60, he's in jail for life that's all anybody can get, unless a sentence of 60yrs can be easily overturned there is no way 1,300 yrs is some great victory it grandstanding and silly.But what about the other family? Do you not charge the man for the other girl's rape/abuse just because he was charged for the first girl's rape/abuse and was sentenced to 120 years (or whatever the sentence might be)? Look at it in this way, once the sentence gets ridiculous like that, it hasn't become a matter of keeping the perp behind bars, because he will be there, but it has become about making sure that the victims each receive their justice for the crimes committed against them. Each abuse, each rape, carries with it it's own sentence. These girls suffered repeatedly at his hands, and each time they suffered he received another sentence to ensure that they received justice for each crime committed against them. Wow and interesting form of justice. One that only exist on paper. Well, that's all that matter then that's all that matters. It's documented well. "Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man." General Ann Dunwoody | |
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