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Clinton chastises press for ignoring sexism

Clinton chastises press for ignoring sexism
Posted: 03:25 PM ET

From CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand, CNN's Alexander Mooney


Clinton said sexism has played a large role in the campaign.
(CNN) — In her most wide-ranging comments to date on the role gender has played in the Democratic presidential race, Hillary Clinton said sexist attacks on her campaign have been "deeply offensive," and sharply criticized the press for not raising the issue.

"There should be equal treatment of the sexism and the racism when it raises its ugly head," Clinton told the Washing Post in an article published in the paper's Tuesday edition. "It does seem as though the press at least is not as bothered by the incredible vitriol that has been engendered by the comments by people who are nothing but misogynists."

"…I believe this campaign has been a groundbreaker in a lot of ways. But it certainly has been challenging given some of the attitudes in the press."

Clinton, who is banking on a large win in Kentucky Tuesday to keep her presidential hopes alive, also said she doesn't believe racism has played a role in the presidential campaign
. But the New York senator said sexist attitudes among voters and members of the media have been a constant detriment to her White House hopes.

Speaking with supporters on a Friday conference call, Clinton said she regretted that many of them have faced sexist attacks.



She can't be serious. The Press has been a whole lot nicer to her than some candidates. She's still playing "sore loser".....(Jackson 5's "Never Can Say Goodbye" playing in the background[/i]
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Reply #1 posted 05/20/08 1:01pm

2the9s

I read on a blog that she and Geraldine Ferraro are lesbian lovers!

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2the9s said:

I read on a blog that she and Geraldine Ferraro are lesbian lovers!

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No disrespect, but amid whatever rumors you heard about that, this article is about how she felt the media treated her as a female, not about her sexual preferences in her sex life.
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Reply #3 posted 05/20/08 2:13pm

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Racism > Sexism in the political world.
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Reply #4 posted 05/20/08 2:17pm

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2elijah said:

2the9s said:

I read on a blog that she and Geraldine Ferraro are lesbian lovers!

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No disrespect, but amid whatever rumors you heard about that, this article is about how she felt the media treated her as a female, not about her sexual preferences in her sex life.
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2elijah said:

Clinton chastises press for ignoring sexism
Posted: 03:25 PM ET

From CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand, CNN's Alexander Mooney


Clinton said sexism has played a large role in the campaign.
(CNN) — In her most wide-ranging comments to date on the role gender has played in the Democratic presidential race, Hillary Clinton said sexist attacks on her campaign have been "deeply offensive," and sharply criticized the press for not raising the issue.

"There should be equal treatment of the sexism and the racism when it raises its ugly head," Clinton told the Washing Post in an article published in the paper's Tuesday edition. "It does seem as though the press at least is not as bothered by the incredible vitriol that has been engendered by the comments by people who are nothing but misogynists."

"…I believe this campaign has been a groundbreaker in a lot of ways. But it certainly has been challenging given some of the attitudes in the press."

Clinton, who is banking on a large win in Kentucky Tuesday to keep her presidential hopes alive, also said she doesn't believe racism has played a role in the presidential campaign
. But the New York senator said sexist attitudes among voters and members of the media have been a constant detriment to her White House hopes.

Speaking with supporters on a Friday conference call, Clinton said she regretted that many of them have faced sexist attacks.



She can't be serious. The Press has been a whole lot nicer to her than some candidates. She's still playing "sore loser".....(Jackson 5's "Never Can Say Goodbye" playing in the background[/i]
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No! I know damn well she really can't be freaking serious when just last week, she was telling USA today...

Clinton said:

"how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."
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racism AND sexism have both played a role in this campaign. i do think people are thoughtlessly sexist more often, though- people think nothing of trashing hillary based on her looks but you don't see that as frequently pushed on the male candidates. i support obama 100%, but it bothers me to see people trashing hillary because she's a woman or using the same tired bill 'n monica jokes...confused
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evenstar3 said:

racism AND sexism have both played a role in this campaign. i do think people are thoughtlessly sexist more often, though- people think nothing of trashing hillary based on her looks but you don't see that as frequently pushed on the male candidates. i support obama 100%, but it bothers me to see people trashing hillary because she's a woman or using the same tired bill 'n monica jokes...confused


And let's not forget Ageism! woot!
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2the9s said:

evenstar3 said:

racism AND sexism have both played a role in this campaign. i do think people are thoughtlessly sexist more often, though- people think nothing of trashing hillary based on her looks but you don't see that as frequently pushed on the male candidates. i support obama 100%, but it bothers me to see people trashing hillary because she's a woman or using the same tired bill 'n monica jokes...confused


And let's not forget Ageism! woot!


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but that's a valid concern- older people die faster and are more prone to health issues! though i suppose who he ends up picking as a running mate will determine how valid age-related worries are. i've honestly heard someone say a male candidate would be a better president because women take longer to get ready in mornings, and that hillary's lost valuable campaigning time because of it. wacky
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I am definitely not pro-Hils in any way, but to say sexism hasn't played a role so far would be a lie. I can think of several instances where Hilary herself -not to mention other female politicians -have been treated unfairly or differently from male politicians by the press. Comments on her looks, clothes, hair, facial expressions, emotions -things that would never be brought up regarding men in politics seem to be par for the course for Clinton and other women. Not to mention questions about her ability to lead posed in such a way as to suggest its her sex that's the impediment.
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Let's have cheese and crackers with that whine (ing).
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meow85 said:

I am definitely not pro-Hils in any way, but to say sexism hasn't played a role so far would be a lie. I can think of several instances where Hilary herself -not to mention other female politicians -have been treated unfairly or differently from male politicians by the press. Comments on her looks, clothes, hair, facial expressions, emotions -things that would never be brought up regarding men in politics seem to be par for the course for Clinton and other women. Not to mention questions about her ability to lead posed in such a way as to suggest its her sex that's the impediment.


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Let's have cheese and crackers with that whine (ing).


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Oh give me a break! This is still the Clinton spin at it's worse! She's played every card that she could possibly play, to no avail and now the only thing's she's got left to play is Sexism!

Funny, she wasn't crying about Sexism before NARAL-Pro Choice America endorsed Obama and she was doing her best "one of the boys" impersonation in Pennsylvania! rolleyes

I am so over the Clintons!! disbelief
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Oh give me a break! This is still the Clinton spin at it's worse! She's played every card that she could possibly play, to no avail and now the only thing's she's got left to play is Sexism!

Funny, she wasn't crying about Sexism before NARAL-Pro Choice America endorsed Obama and she was doing her best "one of the boys" impersonation in Pennsylvania! rolleyes

I am so over the Clintons!! disbelief


when you break it down, i don't see it as spin at all. you're a woman, right? how can you think it's okay for people to denigrate her based on her looks while the male candidates aren't mentioned in that respect at all? do you honestly think it's okay to perpetuate the stereotype that women aren't fit to be leaders??
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evenstar3 said:

2the9s said:



And let's not forget Ageism! woot!


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but that's a valid concern- older people die faster and are more prone to health issues!
though i suppose who he ends up picking as a running mate will determine how valid age-related worries are. i've honestly heard someone say a male candidate would be a better president because women take longer to get ready in mornings, and that hillary's lost valuable campaigning time because of it. wacky
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Actually, it seems more like since the mid 80s, there seem to be more young folks dying at an early age, due to crime, street drugs, gangs, prescription drugs, household drugs, while older people are living longer. shrug
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Reply #16 posted 05/20/08 6:40pm

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Wow. She breaks out the race card, the class card, and now the sexism card. What next? And people want to elect this lady as president?
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Reply #17 posted 05/20/08 6:45pm

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And I'm sure it pains some of the pundits to admit that this is one of the few times during her campaigning that she's absolutely right.
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meow85 said:

I am definitely not pro-Hils in any way, but to say sexism hasn't played a role so far would be a lie. I can think of several instances where Hilary herself -not to mention other female politicians -have been treated unfairly or differently from male politicians by the press. Comments on her looks, clothes, hair, facial expressions, emotions -things that would never be brought up regarding men in politics seem to be par for the course for Clinton and other women. Not to mention questions about her ability to lead posed in such a way as to suggest its her sex that's the impediment.


That is true, and unfortunately this still seems to be a male-dominated society. But Hillary has been facing sexism since she's been in politics, especially when her husband was President and she was dealing with health-care concerns during his time as President. She was criticized by many republicans about her role in her husband's administration. I believe they thought she should have stayed home and baked cookies. So really, and this is just my opinion folks, just like Obama knew he would face racist attacks, she had to know as a woman running for the Presidency in a majority, male-dominated position, that she was going to face "sexist" remarks and uncertainty as well. Of course I'm not saying it's right. They had voters making "sexist" remarks at her rally. Remember the guy that held up a sign asking for his shirt to be ironed? Now that was sexist, so it's just not the media, it's citizens as well, and unfortunately, that is not going away anytime soon. This has been a dog-eat-dog race and sexism and racism is playing a major part in this election,.
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Oh give me a break! This is still the Clinton spin at it's worse! She's played every card that she could possibly play, to no avail and now the only thing's she's got left to play is Sexism!

Funny, she wasn't crying about Sexism before NARAL-Pro Choice America endorsed Obama and she was doing her best "one of the boys" impersonation in Pennsylvania! rolleyes

I am so over the Clintons!! disbelief


True, a woman doesn't have to lose her femininity (so-to-speak)to prove she could run a country.
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evenstar3 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Oh give me a break! This is still the Clinton spin at it's worse! She's played every card that she could possibly play, to no avail and now the only thing's she's got left to play is Sexism!

Funny, she wasn't crying about Sexism before NARAL-Pro Choice America endorsed Obama and she was doing her best "one of the boys" impersonation in Pennsylvania! rolleyes

I am so over the Clintons!! disbelief


when you break it down, i don't see it as spin at all. you're a woman, right? how can you think it's okay for people to denigrate her based on her looks while the male candidates aren't mentioned in that respect at all? do you honestly think it's okay to perpetuate the stereotype that women aren't fit to be leaders??


How she looks and what people think about it has NOTHING to do with why SHE'S not fit to be a leader!

She's not fit to be a leader because she is untrustworthy!! I wouldn't give a damn if she looked like Marlyn Monroe, I still wouldn't trust her to tell me the time of day!!

She's not fit to be a leader because she couldn't even balance her own campaign's budget! She's at least 20 million in the red! America is in enough debt!

She's not fit to be a leader because she made a whole lot bad choices during the nomination process to not only make me question her judgment, I questioned her character, her honesty, her integrity, and her mental stability! An none of those things had anything to do with her being a woman!
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evenstar3 said:



when you break it down, i don't see it as spin at all. you're a woman, right? how can you think it's okay for people to denigrate her based on her looks while the male candidates aren't mentioned in that respect at all? do you honestly think it's okay to perpetuate the stereotype that women aren't fit to be leaders??


How she looks and what people think about it has NOTHING to do with why SHE'S not fit to be a leader!

She's not fit to be a leader because she is untrustworthy!! I wouldn't give a damn if she looked like Marlyn Monroe, I still wouldn't trust her to tell me the time of day!!

She's not fit to be a leader because she couldn't even balance her own campaign's budget! She's at least 20 million in the red! America is in enough debt!

She's not fit to be a leader because she made a whole lot bad choices during the nomination process to not only make me question her judgment, I questioned her character, her honesty, her integrity, and her mental stability! An none of those things had anything to do with her being a woman!
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Good points.
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2elijah said:

meow85 said:

I am definitely not pro-Hils in any way, but to say sexism hasn't played a role so far would be a lie. I can think of several instances where Hilary herself -not to mention other female politicians -have been treated unfairly or differently from male politicians by the press. Comments on her looks, clothes, hair, facial expressions, emotions -things that would never be brought up regarding men in politics seem to be par for the course for Clinton and other women. Not to mention questions about her ability to lead posed in such a way as to suggest its her sex that's the impediment.


That is true, and unfortunately this still seems to be a male-dominated society. But Hillary has been facing sexism since she's been in politics, especially when her husband was President and she was dealing with health-care concerns during his time as President. She was criticized by many republicans about her role in her husband's administration. I believe they thought she should have stayed home and baked cookies. So really, and this is just my opinion folks, just like Obama knew he would face racist attacks, she had to know as a woman running for the Presidency in a majority, male-dominated position, that she was going to face "sexist" remarks and uncertainty as well. Of course I'm not saying it's right. They had voters making "sexist" remarks at her rally. Remember the guy that held up a sign asking for his shirt to be ironed? Now that was sexist, so it's just not the media, it's citizens as well, and unfortunately, that is not going away anytime soon. This has been a dog-eat-dog race and sexism and racism is playing a major part in this election,.


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And another thing...

America not being ready for a female President is pure bullshit! If Hillary Clinton had run her campaign as well as Obama has run his, we wouldn't even be having this discussion because she'd have beat him decisively by Super Tuesday!

Her failures have more to do with her incompetence and ego than they have to do with her being a woman or how she looks!

As for the media, when they were playing Rev. Wright's greatest hits 24 hours a day, I noticed Hillary wasn't condemning them on "unfair treatment"!

That woman will say and do ANYTHING to get what she wants, as a woman, I think she's the worst type of woman and she's doing a disservice to us all!
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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

evenstar3 said:



when you break it down, i don't see it as spin at all. you're a woman, right? how can you think it's okay for people to denigrate her based on her looks while the male candidates aren't mentioned in that respect at all? do you honestly think it's okay to perpetuate the stereotype that women aren't fit to be leaders??


How she looks and what people think about it has NOTHING to do with why SHE'S not fit to be a leader!

She's not fit to be a leader because she is untrustworthy!! I wouldn't give a damn if she looked like Marlyn Monroe, I still wouldn't trust her to tell me the time of day!!

She's not fit to be a leader because she couldn't even balance her own campaign's budget! She's at least 20 million in the red! America is in enough debt!

She's not fit to be a leader because she made a whole lot bad choices during the nomination process to not only make me question her judgment, I questioned her character, her honesty, her integrity, and her mental stability! An none of those things had anything to do with her being a woman!
[Edited 5/20/08 18:52pm]


did you miss the part where i said i'm voting for obama? lol i don't think she's right for president either, but there ARE attacks on her purely because she's a woman, and the media has downplayed that, which i don't think is right.

and also- there's so much said in this forum about hating how it's all about trying to tear down the candidate you don't agree with, rather than promoting the positive attributes of the one you do, so why is so much of that still going on between the obama & hillary camps?
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2elijah said:

evenstar3 said:



falloff

but that's a valid concern- older people die faster and are more prone to health issues!
though i suppose who he ends up picking as a running mate will determine how valid age-related worries are. i've honestly heard someone say a male candidate would be a better president because women take longer to get ready in mornings, and that hillary's lost valuable campaigning time because of it. wacky
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Actually, it seems more like since the mid 80s, there seem to be more young folks dying at an early age, due to crime, street drugs, gangs, prescription drugs, household drugs, while older people are living longer. shrug


eh, either way, moot point- i don't think anyone on this thread would be voting for mccain even if he was 20 years younger. lol
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evenstar3 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:



How she looks and what people think about it has NOTHING to do with why SHE'S not fit to be a leader!

She's not fit to be a leader because she is untrustworthy!! I wouldn't give a damn if she looked like Marlyn Monroe, I still wouldn't trust her to tell me the time of day!!

She's not fit to be a leader because she couldn't even balance her own campaign's budget! She's at least 20 million in the red! America is in enough debt!

She's not fit to be a leader because she made a whole lot bad choices during the nomination process to not only make me question her judgment, I questioned her character, her honesty, her integrity, and her mental stability! An none of those things had anything to do with her being a woman!
[Edited 5/20/08 18:52pm]


did you miss the part where i said i'm voting for obama? lol i don't think she's right for president either, but there ARE attacks on her purely because she's a woman, and the media has downplayed that, which i don't think is right.


Sorry, if I'm harsh! hug

The Clinton's just burns me up! mad

Today, Bill and Geraldine Ferraro were pandering the "Sexism" card everywhere they could. It's like they really think the American people are stupid and when I see someone trying to insult my intelligence, I just go there!
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Reply #27 posted 05/20/08 7:10pm

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The question for me isn't whether or not sexism is a valid issue, it is.

The thing is, her raising the issue at this point makes it look like yet another tactic. She could very well have made women's issues one of her focal points early on but chose not to. She's playing another card in her deck, along with the race card.

Same thing with Michigan and Florida. She initially agreed with the party rules. She didn't give a crap about those voters when she thought she had the nomination in the bag.

If Barry suddenly started focusing on his own disadvantages that wouldn't go over too well either.
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babynoz said:

The question for me isn't whether or not sexism is a valid issue, it is.

The thing is, her raising the issue at this point makes it look like yet another tactic. She could very well have made women's issues one of her focal points early on but chose not to. She's playing another card in her deck, along with the race card.

Same thing with Michigan and Florida. She initially agreed with the party rules. She didn't give a crap about those voters when she thought she had the nomination in the bag.

If Barry suddenly started focusing on his own disadvantages that wouldn't go over too well either.



I agree with you. Why now when she's been facing "sexism" issues since she's been in politics, especially during her husband's administration. It does seem at this point that she is pulling a fast one because she knows she will be defeated. She did the best, but she could have done better during this campaign.

P.S. Right now Obama has pledged.1932 delegates, and Hillary has 1753. Obama should be coming on in a few to give a speech. Okay he's on now!..(stage right!) lol
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evenstar3 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:



How she looks and what people think about it has NOTHING to do with why SHE'S not fit to be a leader!

She's not fit to be a leader because she is untrustworthy!! I wouldn't give a damn if she looked like Marlyn Monroe, I still wouldn't trust her to tell me the time of day!!

She's not fit to be a leader because she couldn't even balance her own campaign's budget! She's at least 20 million in the red! America is in enough debt!

She's not fit to be a leader because she made a whole lot bad choices during the nomination process to not only make me question her judgment, I questioned her character, her honesty, her integrity, and her mental stability! An none of those things had anything to do with her being a woman!
[Edited 5/20/08 18:52pm]


did you miss the part where i said i'm voting for obama? lol i don't think she's right for president either, but there ARE attacks on her purely because she's a woman, and the media has downplayed that, which i don't think is right.

and also- there's so much said in this forum about hating how it's all about trying to tear down the candidate you don't agree with, rather than promoting the positive attributes of the one you do, so why is so much of that still going on between the obama & hillary camps?
[Edited 5/20/08 19:05pm]


Personally, outside of a few "pantsuit" jokes, I haven't heard or read anyone tearing Hillary down because she's a woman. Nor have I heard or read anyone tearing her down because of how she looks. I've have heard, seen and participated in tearing her down based on her policies i.e. voting for the Iraq War, Gas Tax Holiday. Her lying i.e. Bosnia Snipper Fire, Most Experienced Candidate. Her supporting lobbyists i.e. her campaign strategist taking money from Cuba.
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