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Thread started 05/18/08 10:47am

rodman2

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God is Love

God is love.—1 John 4:8.

One reason we should love Jehovah is that he requires us to reflect his qualities. God is both the source and the supreme example of love. Humans were created in God’s image; we were designed to love. In fact, Jehovah’s sovereignty is based on love. He wants as his subjects those who serve him because they both love and desire his righteous way of ruling. Really, love is essential for the peace and harmony of all creation. Another reason for loving Jehovah is that we appreciate what he has done for us. Jehovah gave his Son as a ransom that we might have everlasting life. Jehovah expects us to love him in return. Our love is a responsive love; we are asked to love the God who loves us. Our love is for the One who “first loved us.” (1 John 4:19) Is it not reasonable that our perfect heavenly Father expects us to show loving appreciation for all that he has done for us?

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Reply #1 posted 05/18/08 6:20pm

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Reply #2 posted 05/18/08 7:58pm

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MACH!!
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Ignore this post.
I don't need the encouragement.

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Reply #3 posted 05/18/08 11:41pm

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TheMightyCelestial said:

MACH!!
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Reply #4 posted 05/19/08 4:51am

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rodman2 said:

God is love.—1 John 4:8.

One reason we should love Jehovah is that he requires us to reflect his qualities. God is both the source and the supreme example of love. Humans were created in God’s image; we were designed to love. In fact, Jehovah’s sovereignty is based on love. He wants as his subjects those who serve him because they both love and desire his righteous way of ruling. Really, love is essential for the peace and harmony of all creation. Another reason for loving Jehovah is that we appreciate what he has done for us. Jehovah gave his Son as a ransom that we might have everlasting life. Jehovah expects us to love him in return. Our love is a responsive love; we are asked to love the God who loves us. Our love is for the One who “first loved us.” (1 John 4:19) Is it not reasonable that our perfect heavenly Father expects us to show loving appreciation for all that he has done for us?

True.

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Reply #5 posted 05/19/08 6:50am

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I neither believe that we where created or designed by any supreme being or god.

Although I feel that this message is very positive in some ways I just think that you do not need to Love any supernatural entity or being, just each other ?

If it works for you though thats cool

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Reply #6 posted 05/19/08 7:59am

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NancyMoonbeam said:

I neither believe that we where created or designed by any supreme being or god.

Although I feel that this message is very positive in some ways I just think that you do not need to Love any supernatural entity or being, just each other ?

If it works for you though thats cool


Agreed

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Reply #7 posted 05/19/08 12:52pm

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rodman2 said:

God is love.—1 John 4:8.

One reason we should love Jehovah is that he requires us to reflect his qualities. God is both the source and the supreme example of love. Humans were created in God’s image; we were designed to love. In fact, Jehovah’s sovereignty is based on love. He wants as his subjects those who serve him because they both love and desire his righteous way of ruling. Really, love is essential for the peace and harmony of all creation. Another reason for loving Jehovah is that we appreciate what he has done for us. Jehovah gave his Son as a ransom that we might have everlasting life. Jehovah expects us to love him in return. Our love is a responsive love; we are asked to love the God who loves us. Our love is for the One who “first loved us.” (1 John 4:19) Is it not reasonable that our perfect heavenly Father expects us to show loving appreciation for all that he has done for us?


When you really think of it I would think the question is not if we should but more on how does one go about it? Is it just enough to say it?

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Reply #8 posted 05/19/08 12:55pm

Stymie

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MACH!!
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Reply #9 posted 05/19/08 12:59pm

muttley

DiamondGlove said:

NancyMoonbeam said:

I neither believe that we where created or designed by any supreme being or god.

Although I feel that this message is very positive in some ways I just think that you do not need to Love any supernatural entity or being, just each other ?

If it works for you though thats cool


Agreed



I second that biggrin

Love each other! Insert any God that you like in the "Jehovah" sections and then its all good

Mutts

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Reply #10 posted 05/19/08 3:41pm

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rodman2 said:

One reason we should love Jehovah...

rodman2 said:

Another reason for loving Jehovah...
One cannot love by reason.

rodman2 said:

Jehovah gave his Son as a ransom that we might have everlasting life.
One cannot love through guilt.

rodman2 said:

Jehovah expects us to love him in return.
One cannot love out of expectation.

rodman2 said:

...we are asked to love the God who loves us.
One cannot love by request.

No one can love another simply because they are supposed to, expected to, or commanded to do so. Neither can one love because they want to.

Love is spontaneous;
It will not arise by stregth-of-will or force-of-logic.

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Reply #11 posted 05/19/08 4:28pm

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esa said:

rodman2 said:

One reason we should love Jehovah...
One cannot love out of expectation.

rodman2 said:

...we are asked to love the God who loves us.
One cannot love by request.

No one can love another simply because they are supposed to, expected to, or commanded to do so. Neither can one love because they want to.

Love is spontaneous;
It will not arise by strength-of-will or force-of-logic.


touched Beautifully and perfectly said. hug

ing one day about racial prejudice, Paramahansa Yogananda said, "God is not pleased to be insulted when He wears His dark suits."
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Reply #12 posted 05/19/08 5:07pm

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esa said:

rodman2 said:

One reason we should love Jehovah...
One cannot love out of expectation.

rodman2 said:

...we are asked to love the God who loves us.
One cannot love by request.

No one can love another simply because they are supposed to, expected to, or commanded to do so. Neither can one love because they want to.

Love is spontaneous;
It will not arise by stregth-of-will or force-of-logic.

Can you learn to love your enemy?

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Reply #13 posted 05/19/08 6:49pm

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Atirolopiuuk said:

esa said:

One cannot love by request.

No one can love another simply because they are supposed to, expected to, or commanded to do so. Neither can one love because they want to.

Love is spontaneous;
It will not arise by stregth-of-will or force-of-logic.

Can you learn to love your enemy?



Who is your enemy? And Love being spontaneous cannot be learned, it just is.

ing one day about racial prejudice, Paramahansa Yogananda said, "God is not pleased to be insulted when He wears His dark suits."
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Reply #14 posted 05/19/08 11:07pm

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esa said:

rodman2 said:

One reason we should love Jehovah...
One cannot love out of expectation.

rodman2 said:

...we are asked to love the God who loves us.
One cannot love by request.

No one can love another simply because they are supposed to, expected to, or commanded to do so. Neither can one love because they want to.

Love is spontaneous;
It will not arise by stregth-of-will or force-of-logic.


Yes...beautifully said.

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Reply #15 posted 05/20/08 2:15am

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"LOVE YOURSELF AS ALL PEOPLE"
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Reply #16 posted 05/20/08 2:54am

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not only is GOD love, but he never makes cruel mistakes all over other peoples hearts.

my innocence raped my trust betrayed my mind deceived my heart in smitherines and u've got the gall to breathe.
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NancyMoonbeam said:

I neither believe that we where created or designed by any supreme being or god.

Although I feel that this message is very positive in some ways I just think that you do not need to Love any supernatural entity or being, just each other ?

If it works for you though thats cool


Everyone has to place faith in something. It is definitely fine for someone to come to a peaceful conclusion without sharing their belief in where that came from.

Love is a universal language and transends all things. So is God. He loves you whether you believe in him or not.

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esa said:

rodman2 said:

One reason we should love Jehovah...
One cannot love out of expectation.

rodman2 said:

...we are asked to love the God who loves us.
One cannot love by request.

No one can love another simply because they are supposed to, expected to, or commanded to do so. Neither can one love because they want to.

Love is spontaneous;
It will not arise by stregth-of-will or force-of-logic.


I agree with most of what you say here, but your comment about "loving out of guilt" was taking the original comment out of context. Rodman was not asserting that we love out of guilt.

You love someone, not for what they do, but for who they are. What they do is, however, an extension of who they are. Christ's love for us cannot be separated from His actions. If you read of the story of Christ, you will find that His actions always represented who He was.

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Atirolopiuuk said:

esa said:

One cannot love by request.

No one can love another simply because they are supposed to, expected to, or commanded to do so. Neither can one love because they want to.

Love is spontaneous;
It will not arise by stregth-of-will or force-of-logic.

Can you learn to love your enemy?


I think the true nature of love, when perfected, requires it. As I said above, you love someone for who they are, not what they do.

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I believe that all behavior that is acted out contrary to the standards that have been set as far as acceptibility are contrary to the human spirit. It contradicts even the spirit of the one doing it.
So, for someone who does something crappy to me, I see it as an internal conflict. Same thing when I do something crappy to someone else; it is a conflict between flesh and spirit that needs to be resolved. The person beneath it is still to be loved.

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Reply #20 posted 05/20/08 6:57am

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"Is it not reasonable that our perfect heavenly Father expects us to show loving appreciation for all that he has done for us?"

hmm

"expects"

unconditional Love, that kind I imagine Spirit/Divinity to be, isn't about expectation.

So no, to me that is far from reasonable

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Reply #21 posted 05/20/08 7:29am

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seekingtruth said:

esa said:

One cannot love by request.

No one can love another simply because they are supposed to, expected to, or commanded to do so. Neither can one love because they want to.

Love is spontaneous;
It will not arise by stregth-of-will or force-of-logic.


I agree with most of what you say here, but your comment about "loving out of guilt" was taking the original comment out of context. Rodman was not asserting that we love out of guilt.

You love someone, not for what they do, but for who they are. What they do is, however, an extension of who they are. Christ's love for us cannot be separated from His actions. If you read of the story of Christ, you will find that His actions always represented who He was.


Seekingtruth, I know you directed this at esa, but I wanted to ask a question. Do you not think that by always declaring the ransom of Jesus, or the statement that He died for our sins, etc., is not done so to generate guilt? I'm always hearing Christians say, "Oh Jesus died for your sins, don't you think the least you can do is accept him as your Savior?" or "Isn't it wonderful that Jesus died for you so that you might have everlasting life?" Both of these comments are geared towards generating guilt in the individual that may or may not have accepted Christ, to guilt them into following Christ. Rodman stated:

Another reason for loving Jehovah is that we appreciate what he has done for us. Jehovah gave his Son as a ransom that we might have everlasting life.


He states that he appreciates what Jehovah has done for us, that he gave His son as ransom. (Nothing about Jesus giving up his life though, which shocked me. It was all about what Jehovah ransomed, not the life that Jesus gave up.) But again, it all comes back to loving because look what he gave up! He ransomed his son's life, so that we could live! Shouldn't we then at least love him in return for that and appreciate his sacrifice!? It is exactly about guilt.

You also commented that "you love someone not for what they do, but for who they are." My questions here are: Can't you just love because that is who you are (Love)? Does your love depend upon who another is or is it simply an expression of who you are?

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Reply #22 posted 05/20/08 8:50am

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Atirolopiuuk said:

Can you learn to love your enemy?
When surrounded and suffused by the Divine Love, one has no enemies.



seekingtruth said:

Rodman was not asserting that we love out of guilt.

rodman2 said:

Another reason for loving Jehovah is that we appreciate what he has done for us. Jehovah gave his Son as a ransom that we might have everlasting life.

LittleRedCorvette said:

It is exactly about guilt.
Indeed.
Telling someone that they ought to love out of duty or "appreciation" is most certainly a manipulation of guilt.

Stated simply:
One cannot love by intent.

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Reply #23 posted 05/20/08 9:02am

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rodman2 said:

God is love.—1 John 4:8.

One reason we should love Jehovah is that he requires us to reflect his qualities. God is both the source and the supreme example of love. Humans were created in God’s image; we were designed to love. In fact, Jehovah’s sovereignty is based on love. He wants as his subjects those who serve him because they both love and desire his righteous way of ruling. Really, love is essential for the peace and harmony of all creation. Another reason for loving Jehovah is that we appreciate what he has done for us. Jehovah gave his Son as a ransom that we might have everlasting life. Jehovah expects us to love him in return. Our love is a responsive love; we are asked to love the God who loves us. Our love is for the One who “first loved us.” (1 John 4:19) Is it not reasonable that our perfect heavenly Father expects us to show loving appreciation for all that he has done for us?


Amen rose

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Reply #24 posted 05/20/08 3:34pm

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esa said:

Atirolopiuuk said:

Can you learn to love your enemy?
When surrounded and suffused by the Divine Love, one has no enemies.



LittleRedCorvette said:

It is exactly about guilt.
Indeed.
Telling someone that they ought to love out of duty or "appreciation" is most certainly a manipulation of guilt.

Stated simply:
One cannot love by intent.


Truth.

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Reply #25 posted 05/21/08 4:58am

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Reply #26 posted 05/21/08 5:29am

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No he isn't, he's a repulsive, schizophrenic work of fiction.

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Reply #27 posted 05/21/08 5:43am

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Every1 is God no matter what We are Doing. rose
I like this...

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Reply #28 posted 05/21/08 5:43am

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No he isn't, he's a repulsive, schizophrenic work of fiction.
You're like my yo-yo...
[Edited 5/21/08 5:44am]

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Reply #29 posted 05/21/08 5:51am

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No he isn't, he's a repulsive, schizophrenic work of fiction.


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