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Do black artists have to work with white artists to be successful? So, I was just thinking about Timbaland. 10 years ago, he was working with Magoo, Missy, Ginuwine, and Aaliyah. Now, this list is Nelly Furtado, Justin, Ashlee Simpson, and Madonna. He seems to have stopped working with black artists altogether? What happened? Was this necessary for him to be nominated for producer of the year? Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. | |
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It depends on how you define success. | |
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Dance said: It depends on how you define success.
Well, if we were to keep it to Timbaland right now, I would say he's more successful now then he was then, but didn't become so until he jumped to "mainstream" Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. | |
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well mj became a white atrist...it worked out okay for him Rosa sat so Martin could walk. Martin walked so Obama could run. Obama ran so our children can fly.
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LiquidGold said: Dance said: It depends on how you define success.
Well, if we were to keep it to Timbaland right now, I would say he's more successful now then he was then, but didn't become so until he jumped to "mainstream" Define success. | |
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Dance said: LiquidGold said: Well, if we were to keep it to Timbaland right now, I would say he's more successful now then he was then, but didn't become so until he jumped to "mainstream" Define success. Becoming a bigger name and selling more records? | |
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Yes. We all have to work together to be successful, not only in this life, but also,
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I don't need the encouragement. "Criticism is the laziest form of expression ." - some deep dude. | |
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TheMightyCelestial said: Yes. We all have to work together to be successful, not only in this life, but also,
in this world. Be love. Aw fuck, I thought I was in the Politics & Religion forum. None of y'all around here need "saving". 
Y'all can go to hell, ya buncha souless, pop-shysting bastards. [Edited 4/16/08 7:47am] Ignore this post.
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He definitely has NOT stopped working with black artists altogether, since he's become "mainstream" he's worked with :
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Dance said: It depends on how you define success.
Having the majority of the years smash hit singles and albums produced by you. |
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You know, it's funny how times have changed. I remember the first time that I heard "Ebony & Ivory",as a kid. It was cool to see to artists from different backgrounds coming together to sing. Now, when this happens, people seem surprised and shocked. I look at his work with One Republic as one of the smartest things that he has ever done. Why? Because it shows that he is capable of making music that does not contain that signature "Timberland" sound. There have been other artists who are now working with white artists. For example, Full Force, they were a major R&B act in the 80's and part of the 90's, and had hits of their own; have written songs for the Backstreet Boys and 98 degrees. Has this caused them to be more successful? Maybe. Again, it is a smart move on their part because their stuff is still heard while they continue to collect a check. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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shorttrini said: You know, it's funny how times have changed. I remember the first time that I heard "Ebony & Ivory",as a kid. It was cool to see to artists from different backgrounds coming together to sing. Now, when this happens, people seem surprised and shocked. I look at his work with One Republic as one of the smartest things that he has ever done. Why? Because it shows that he is capable of making music that does not contain that signature "Timberland" sound. There have been other artists who are now working with white artists. For example, Full Force, they were a major R&B act in the 80's and part of the 90's, and had hits of their own; have written songs for the Backstreet Boys and 98 degrees. Has this caused them to be more successful? Maybe. Again, it is a smart move on their part because their stuff is still heard while they continue to collect a check.
Not sure about this. Most of the time the song is credited as his even though he didn't write or arrange it in any way, he simply put a different beat to the original and added some "eh! eh! eh!" noises in. But those noises are so associated with him, people are willing to call it HIS song even though he never says a word. |
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To be more successful yes. And especially with management and representation. |
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Has he really stopped working with black artists? "I just woke up from a fuzzy dream....you never would believe the things that I have seen". | |
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NO. If u want some censored shit.......go elsewhere. If u want the TRUTH, come 2 me. | |
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If anyone doesn't believe it they can do a timeline on this site's namesake who didn't want to be marketed as a "black" artist.
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Define success.....they are plenty of Black artist who are EXTREMELY successful and have NEVER worked with white artist. If u want some censored shit.......go elsewhere. If u want the TRUTH, come 2 me. | |
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The fact that we're all able to communicate with each other
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TheMightyCelestial said: The fact that we're all able to communicate with each other
& also with other people from all around the globe via this site makes all of us of successful. 
Sunnuvabitch! I forgot which forum I was in again!  Ignore this post.
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TheMightyCelestial said: TheMightyCelestial said: Yes. We all have to work together to be successful, not only in this world, but also,
in this world. Be love. Aw fuck, I thought I was in the Politics & Religion forum. None of y'all around here need "saving".
Y'all can go to hell, ya buncha souless, pop-shysting bastards.  | |
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purplesweat said: Plus, Nelly Furtado isn't white and her record was basically the one that pushed him into mainstream.
Nelly is Portuguese-Canadian so she's white. | |
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Dance said: It depends on how you define success. Exactly. In the early 1980s, the funk groups tried to get a hit on the R&B chart and didn't give a damn if it crossed over to the pop chart or not. If it became a hit on the R&B chart, they considered it a success. That's why music was much harder and better back then. When folks like Shitney Ass Houston came along and didn't consider having just an R&B hit as a success, that's when music started fucking up and becoming much weaker because they would have to water the music down for the pop fans. | |
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The Jackson's were wildly successful until one of them turned white, then everything went to shit. Join the antithesis of the org conservative union!
The "Lies Make Baby Jesus Cry Club" is now accepting applications! | |
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Luther crossed over and went 2 the dogs. If u want some censored shit.......go elsewhere. If u want the TRUTH, come 2 me. | |
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Graycap23 said: Luther crossed over and went 2 the dogs. Every artist has become weaker once they crossed over, including Prince. Rick James is the only one I can think of that kept his original style that made him famous in the R&B world after he had a crossover hit. He came back just as strong and funky on the "Throwin' Down" album as he was on the "Street Songs" album. Prince got that crossover audience and had to come out with something far out like "Around The World In A Day". . . . [Edited 4/16/08 10:50am] | |
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purplesweat said: He definitely has NOT stopped working with black artists altogether, since he's become "mainstream" he's worked with :
Omarion Keri Hilson Dr Dre Missy Elliott 50 Cent Tony Yayo Busta Rhymes Snoop Dogg Diddy Kanye West Rihanna Jay Z Chris Brown Jennifer Hudson ...to name a few of the most well known artists...there's a ton more but they're more B-list 
Plus, Nelly Furtado isn't white and her record was basically the one that pushed him into mainstream. Nelly Furtado is Portuguese=European=White What I'm saying is he wasn't sought after or popular until he crossed over and worked with those who were not black Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. | |
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shorttrini said: You know, it's funny how times have changed. I remember the first time that I heard "Ebony & Ivory",as a kid. It was cool to see to artists from different backgrounds coming together to sing. Now, when this happens, people seem surprised and shocked. I look at his work with One Republic as one of the smartest things that he has ever done. Why? Because it shows that he is capable of making music that does not contain that signature "Timberland" sound. There have been other artists who are now working with white artists. For example, Full Force, they were a major R&B act in the 80's and part of the 90's, and had hits of their own; have written songs for the Backstreet Boys and 98 degrees. Has this caused them to be more successful? Maybe. Again, it is a smart move on their part because their stuff is still heard while they continue to collect a check.
I have no problem with different races working together. It just seems to me one does not become well known/popular/major success until they work with a white person Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. | |
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vainandy said: Every artist has become weaker once they crossed over, including Prince. Rick James is the only one I can think of that kept his original style that made him famous in the R&B world after he had a crossover hit. He came back just as strong and funky on the "Throwin' Down" album as he was on the "Street Songs" album. Prince got that crossover audience and had to come out with something far out like "Around The World In A Day". . . . [Edited 4/16/08 10:50am] Hummmm.....Rick's original style was ROCK. If u want some censored shit.......go elsewhere. If u want the TRUTH, come 2 me. | |
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Graycap23 said: vainandy said: Every artist has become weaker once they crossed over, including Prince. Rick James is the only one I can think of that kept his original style that made him famous in the R&B world after he had a crossover hit. He came back just as strong and funky on the "Throwin' Down" album as he was on the "Street Songs" album. Prince got that crossover audience and had to come out with something far out like "Around The World In A Day". . . . [Edited 4/16/08 10:50am] Hummmm.....Rick's original style was ROCK. True but rock isn't what made him famous. Funk is. | |
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I thought he was producing some stuff for Missy's new CD.
