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10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don't)

10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don't):

1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.1

2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi."2

3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.3

4. McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."4

5. The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.5

6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.6

7. Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."7

8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.8

9. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."9

10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.10


Sources:
1. "The Complicated History of John McCain and MLK Day," ABC News, April 3, 2008
http://blogs.abcnews.com/...cated.html

"McCain Facts," ColorOfChange.org, April 4, 2008
http://colorofchange.org/mccain_facts/

2. "McCain More Hawkish Than Bush on Russia, China, Iraq," Bloomberg News, March 12, 2008
http://www.bloomberg.com/...M&refer=us

"Buchanan: John McCain 'Will Make Cheney Look Like Gandhi,'" ThinkProgress, February 6, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/...hi-mccain/

3. "McCain Sides With Bush On Torture Again, Supports Veto Of Anti-Waterboarding Bill," ThinkProgress, February 20, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/...ture-veto/

4. "McCain says Roe v. Wade should be overturned," MSNBC, February 18, 2007
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17222147/

5. "2007 Children's Defense Fund Action Council® Nonpartisan Congressional Scorecard," February 2008
http://www.childrensdefen...recard2007

"McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion," CNN, October 3, 2007
http://www.cnn.com/2007/P...interview/

6. "Beer Executive Could Be Next First Lady," Associated Press, April 3, 2008
http://ap.google.com/arti...gD8VQ86M80

"McCain Says Bank Bailout Should End `Systemic Risk,'" Bloomberg News, March 25, 2008
http://www.bloomberg.com/...refer=home

7. "Will McCain's Temper Be a Liability?," Associated Press, February 16, 2008
http://abcnews.go.com/Pol...id=4301022

"Famed McCain temper is tamed," Boston Globe, January 27, 2008
http://www.boston.com/new..._is_tamed/

8. "Black Claims McCain's Campaign Is Above Lobbyist Influence: 'I Don't Know What The Criticism Is,'" ThinkProgress, April 2, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/...-lobbyist/

"McCain's Lobbyist Friends Rally 'Round Their Man," ABC News, January 29, 2008
http://abcnews.go.com/Blo...id=4210251

9. "McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam," Mother Jones Magazine, March 12, 2008
http://www.motherjones.co...guide.html

"Will McCain Specifically 'Repudiate' Hagee's Anti-Gay Comments?," ThinkProgress, March 12, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/...-anti-gay/

"McCain 'Very Honored' By Support Of Pastor Preaching 'End-Time Confrontation With Iran,'" ThinkProgress, February 28, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/...dorsement/

10. "John McCain Gets a Zero Rating for His Environmental Record," Sierra Club, February 28, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/b...ent/77913/

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Reply #1 posted 04/06/08 7:51am

JellyBean

#7 scares the heck out of me. I can't even imaging what would happen if McCain became president. Well, actually I can and it aint good. His "bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran," comments sums up what he plans to do if he became president. The guy is a loose canon.

Also, thanks for the links.

“When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist.” Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara
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Reply #2 posted 04/06/08 8:54am

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and people would rather vote for him than hillary WHY?

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Reply #3 posted 04/06/08 8:56am

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He´s gonna make us miss G.W.Bush.
Maybe in retrospect, we will remember GW as someone who had at least a better relationship with Putin and some leaders in the Middle East.
Just kidding.
Sometimes the new one makes you miss the old one.

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Reply #4 posted 04/06/08 9:13am

Accujack

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christ disbelief

and people would rather vote for him than hillary WHY?

Well, I can give you two reasons off the top of my head.

1. Most people don't like the idea of having their tax cuts repealed.

2. Although most Americans say that the war in Iraq is a mistake, they feel in their hearts, that this is a war aganist terrorism.
Which McCain is more suited to lead.

He is exactly who we thought he was
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Reply #5 posted 04/06/08 9:23am

evenstar

Accujack said:

evenstar said:

christ disbelief

and people would rather vote for him than hillary WHY?

Well, I can give you two reasons off the top of my head.

1. Most people don't like the idea of having their tax cuts repealed.

2. Although most Americans say that the war in Iraq is a mistake, they feel in their hearts, that this is a war aganist terrorism.
Which McCain is more suited to lead.


i meant the contingent of people who would vote for obama, but if he doesn't get the nomination will either not vote, or vote for mccain. utter insanity.

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Reply #6 posted 04/06/08 9:27am

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some of these are just laughable, the equivalent of saying on some things mccain as an alleged conservative actually does believe in limited government, and knows that liberal policies on the subject spell disaster.

but what possibly compares with the liberals belief that prenatal humans should have no protection from being willfully slaughtered? and that the killing of prenatal humans should be protected by the state and funded by tax dollars as a right?

NOTHING.

and yet such a morally depraved view is championed by the democrat party and its candidates.
[Edited 4/6/08 9:30am]

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Reply #7 posted 04/06/08 9:28am

Stymie

Accujack said:

evenstar said:

christ disbelief

and people would rather vote for him than hillary WHY?

Well, I can give you two reasons off the top of my head.

1. Most people don't like the idea of having their tax cuts repealed.

2. Although most Americans say that the war in Iraq is a mistake, they feel in their hearts, that this is a war aganist terrorism.
Which McCain is more suited to lead.
I'm glad I'm not "most Americans". This is not a war against terrorism. in fact, it's laughable.

Accujack, do you plan to vote for McCain?

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Reply #8 posted 04/06/08 9:32am

evenstar

HiinEnkelte said:

some of these are just laughable, the equivalent of saying on some things mccain as an alleged conservative actually does believe in limited government, and knows that liberal policies on the subject spell disaster.

but what possibly compares with the liberals belief that prenatal humans should have no protection from being willfully slaughtered? and that the killing of prenatal humans should be protected by the state and funded by tax dollars as a right?

NOTHING.

and yet such a morally depraved view is championed by the democrat party and its candidates.
[Edited 4/6/08 9:30am]


i just love the term prenatal humans. lol

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Reply #9 posted 04/06/08 9:34am

Accujack

Stymie said:

Accujack said:


Well, I can give you two reasons off the top of my head.

1. Most people don't like the idea of having their tax cuts repealed.

2. Although most Americans say that the war in Iraq is a mistake, they feel in their hearts, that this is a war aganist terrorism.
Which McCain is more suited to lead.
I'm glad I'm not "most Americans". This is not a war against terrorism. in fact, it's laughable.

Accujack, do you plan to vote for McCain?

Absolutely.

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Reply #10 posted 04/06/08 9:40am

Accujack

HiinEnkelte said:

some of these are just laughable, the equivalent of saying on some things mccain as an alleged conservative actually does believe in limited government, and knows that liberal policies on the subject spell disaster.

but what possibly compares with the liberals belief that prenatal humans should have no protection from being willfully slaughtered? and that the killing of prenatal humans should be protected by the state and funded by tax dollars as a right?

NOTHING.

and yet such a morally depraved view is championed by the democrat party and its candidates.
[Edited 4/6/08 9:30am]

It really is amazing isn't it.
I have always felt that all other social and political issues could resonably be debated on from both sides, but it blows my mind that a political party can stand up for the murder of "prenatal humans" and "good" people would still vote for them.

It is really sad that these liberals claim to stand up for all minorities, yet when it comes to the rights of "pernatal humans", they become silent.

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Reply #11 posted 04/06/08 9:40am

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evenstar said:

HiinEnkelte said:

some of these are just laughable, the equivalent of saying on some things mccain as an alleged conservative actually does believe in limited government, and knows that liberal policies on the subject spell disaster.

but what possibly compares with the liberals belief that prenatal humans should have no protection from being willfully slaughtered? and that the killing of prenatal humans should be protected by the state and funded by tax dollars as a right?

NOTHING.

and yet such a morally depraved view is championed by the democrat party and its candidates.
[Edited 4/6/08 9:30am]


i just love the term prenatal humans. lol


is it inaccurate? no.
how about prenatal child?

apparently many people are so easily confused by such difficult terms like 'human embryo' like george carlin is. err lol

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Reply #12 posted 04/06/08 9:43am

Stymie

Accujack said:

HiinEnkelte said:

some of these are just laughable, the equivalent of saying on some things mccain as an alleged conservative actually does believe in limited government, and knows that liberal policies on the subject spell disaster.

but what possibly compares with the liberals belief that prenatal humans should have no protection from being willfully slaughtered? and that the killing of prenatal humans should be protected by the state and funded by tax dollars as a right?

NOTHING.

and yet such a morally depraved view is championed by the democrat party and its candidates.
[Edited 4/6/08 9:30am]

It really is amazing isn't it.
I have always felt that all other social and political issues could resonably be debated on from both sides, but it blows my mind that a political party can stand up for the murder of "prenatal humans" and "good" people would still vote for them.

It is really sad that these liberals claim to stand up for all minorities, yet when it comes to the rights of "pernatal humans", they become silent.
What exactly is the point of standing up for prenatal humans when we don't care what happens to them once they get here? What of all those postnatal humans dying in a war started on inaccurate information?

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Reply #13 posted 04/06/08 9:46am

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Stymie said:

Accujack said:


It really is amazing isn't it.
I have always felt that all other social and political issues could resonably be debated on from both sides, but it blows my mind that a political party can stand up for the murder of "prenatal humans" and "good" people would still vote for them.

It is really sad that these liberals claim to stand up for all minorities, yet when it comes to the rights of "pernatal humans", they become silent.
What exactly is the point of standing up for prenatal humans when we don't care what happens to them once they get here? What of all those postnatal humans dying in a war started on inaccurate information?


aaah, and we come back to the same point i've never seen addressed properly in this forum. ever.

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Reply #14 posted 04/06/08 9:46am

Stymie

Accujack said:

HiinEnkelte said:

some of these are just laughable, the equivalent of saying on some things mccain as an alleged conservative actually does believe in limited government, and knows that liberal policies on the subject spell disaster.

but what possibly compares with the liberals belief that prenatal humans should have no protection from being willfully slaughtered? and that the killing of prenatal humans should be protected by the state and funded by tax dollars as a right?

NOTHING.

and yet such a morally depraved view is championed by the democrat party and its candidates.
[Edited 4/6/08 9:30am]

It really is amazing isn't it.
I have always felt that all other social and political issues could resonably be debated on from both sides, but it blows my mind that a political party can stand up for the murder of "prenatal humans" and "good" people would still vote for them.

It is really sad that these liberals claim to stand up for all minorities, yet when it comes to the rights of "pernatal humans", they become silent.
Good people supposedly are voting for someone who supports the killng of postnatals, so what's your point?

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Reply #15 posted 04/06/08 9:47am

Stymie

evenstar said:

Stymie said:

What exactly is the point of standing up for prenatal humans when we don't care what happens to them once they get here? What of all those postnatal humans dying in a war started on inaccurate information?


aaah, and we come back to the same point i've never seen addressed properly in this forum. ever.
And it will never be addressed. It is very easy to armchair politic when you don't have to be personally involved in the lives of those children.

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Reply #16 posted 04/06/08 9:48am

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Accujack said:

HiinEnkelte said:

some of these are just laughable, the equivalent of saying on some things mccain as an alleged conservative actually does believe in limited government, and knows that liberal policies on the subject spell disaster.

but what possibly compares with the liberals belief that prenatal humans should have no protection from being willfully slaughtered? and that the killing of prenatal humans should be protected by the state and funded by tax dollars as a right?

NOTHING.

and yet such a morally depraved view is championed by the democrat party and its candidates.
[Edited 4/6/08 9:30am]

It really is amazing isn't it.
I have always felt that all other social and political issues could resonably be debated on from both sides, but it blows my mind that a political party can stand up for the murder of "prenatal humans" and "good" people would still vote for them.

It is really sad that these liberals claim to stand up for all minorities, yet when it comes to the rights of "pernatal humans", they become silent.


these humans are not humans worthy of their lives. 'Lebensunwertes Leben'.
these humans are property. it's a privacy matter.
yeah, where have we heard these arguments before in defending the state protected violation of the most basic integrity and right of other human lives?

so sad. there's many many things to criticize mccain about.
defending the basic right to life for those who have the greatest claim upon such protection is not one of them.

.
[Edited 4/6/08 9:48am]

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Reply #17 posted 04/06/08 9:48am

Stymie

Accujack said:

evenstar said:

christ disbelief

and people would rather vote for him than hillary WHY?

Well, I can give you two reasons off the top of my head.

1. Most people don't like the idea of having their tax cuts repealed.

2. Although most Americans say that the war in Iraq is a mistake, they feel in their hearts, that this is a war aganist terrorism.
Which McCain is more suited to lead.
What tax cuts?

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Reply #18 posted 04/06/08 9:50am

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Stymie said:

Accujack said:


It really is amazing isn't it.
I have always felt that all other social and political issues could resonably be debated on from both sides, but it blows my mind that a political party can stand up for the murder of "prenatal humans" and "good" people would still vote for them.

It is really sad that these liberals claim to stand up for all minorities, yet when it comes to the rights of "pernatal humans", they become silent.
Good people supposedly are voting for someone who supports the killng of postnatals, so what's your point?



no they're not.
postnatals have not been deemed a class of humans without the right to life. that is simply not true.
[Edited 4/6/08 9:51am]

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Reply #19 posted 04/06/08 9:52am

evenstar

HiinEnkelte said:

Accujack said:


It really is amazing isn't it.
I have always felt that all other social and political issues could resonably be debated on from both sides, but it blows my mind that a political party can stand up for the murder of "prenatal humans" and "good" people would still vote for them.

It is really sad that these liberals claim to stand up for all minorities, yet when it comes to the rights of "pernatal humans", they become silent.


these humans are not humans worthy of their lives. 'Lebensunwertes Leben'.
these humans are property. it's a privacy matter.
yeah, where have we heard these arguments before in defending the state protected violation of the most basic integrity and right of other human lives?

so sad. there's many many things to criticize mccain about.
defending the basic right to life for those who have the greatest claim upon such protection is not one of them.

.
[Edited 4/6/08 9:48am]


and likening liberals to nazis makes this thread complete! woot!

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Reply #20 posted 04/06/08 9:53am

Stymie

HiinEnkelte said:

Stymie said:

Good people supposedly are voting for someone who supports the killng of postnatals, so what's your point?



no they're not.
postnatals have not been deemed a class of humans without the right to life. that is simply not true.
[Edited 4/6/08 9:51am]
Did he or did he not vote for war? Does he support war? No one in their right mind can think they are going to rain bombs down on people and innocent people, even those still in their mothers' wombs, would not be killed. People are obviously okay with that and obviously can sleep at night.

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Reply #21 posted 04/06/08 9:55am

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Stymie said:

Accujack said:


It really is amazing isn't it.
I have always felt that all other social and political issues could resonably be debated on from both sides, but it blows my mind that a political party can stand up for the murder of "prenatal humans" and "good" people would still vote for them.

It is really sad that these liberals claim to stand up for all minorities, yet when it comes to the rights of "pernatal humans", they become silent.
What exactly is the point of standing up for prenatal humans when we don't care what happens to them once they get here? What of all those postnatal humans dying in a war started on inaccurate information?


Exactly. Does not compute. Save the pre-nates, but send teens off to a war to die for no just reason. Absolutely illogical. Guess what? I am totally against abortion (but it's MY personal belief and I do not judge anyone else or say they're going to hell) yet I see where this makes NO SENSE!

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HiinEnkelte

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Stymie said:

Accujack said:


It really is amazing isn't it.
I have always felt that all other social and political issues could resonably be debated on from both sides, but it blows my mind that a political party can stand up for the murder of "prenatal humans" and "good" people would still vote for them.

It is really sad that these liberals claim to stand up for all minorities, yet when it comes to the rights of "pernatal humans", they become silent.
What exactly is the point of standing up for prenatal humans when we don't care what happens to them once they get here?


you can't have a child killed or dismembered without being punished by the law. no law supports that. that is obvious. and i know i would never vote for anyone that said you can have your child killed if you want. no way.

What of all those postnatal humans dying in a war started on inaccurate information?


you might disagree with this war, and there are many respectable reasons to do so, but no soldier can wantonly just kill an unarmed combatant without severe penalty. much less intentionally kill an non-aggressing civilian.

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Reply #23 posted 04/06/08 9:58am

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noimageatall said:

Stymie said:

What exactly is the point of standing up for prenatal humans when we don't care what happens to them once they get here? What of all those postnatal humans dying in a war started on inaccurate information?


Exactly. Does not compute. Save the pre-nates, but send teens off to a war to die for no just reason. Absolutely illogical. Guess what? I am totally against abortion (but it's MY personal belief and I do not judge anyone else or say they're going to hell) yet I see where this makes NO SENSE!


so your view about the wrongfulness or pointlessness of fighting in this war is just your personal opinion as well, without judgment?

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Reply #24 posted 04/06/08 9:59am

Stymie

HiinEnkelte said:[quote]

Stymie said:



you can't have a child killed or dismembered without being punished by the law. no law supports that. that is obvious. and i know i would never vote for anyone that said you can have your child killed if you want. no way.

What of all those postnatal humans dying in a war started on inaccurate information?


you might disagree with this war, and there are many respectable reasons to do so, but no soldier can wantonly just kill an unarmed combatant without severe penalty. much less intentionally kill an non-aggressing civilian.
Dropping bombs on innocent civilians is just "too bad: then?

We know when we do that, we are going to kill innocent people, whether we are aiming for them or not. It is sad that that loss of life is not as important to some.

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Stymie said:

HiinEnkelte said:




no they're not.
postnatals have not been deemed a class of humans without the right to life. that is simply not true.
[Edited 4/6/08 9:51am]
Did he or did he not vote for war? Does he support war? No one in their right mind can think they are going to rain bombs down on people and innocent people, even those still in their mothers' wombs, would not be killed. People are obviously okay with that and obviously can sleep at night.


i cannot give credence to your characterization of raining down bombs on innocent people. it's not an accurate or fair characterization, so i can't really address this.

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Reply #26 posted 04/06/08 10:01am

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HiinEnkelte said:[quote]

Stymie said:



you can't have a child killed or dismembered without being punished by the law. no law supports that. that is obvious. and i know i would never vote for anyone that said you can have your child killed if you want. no way.

What of all those postnatal humans dying in a war started on inaccurate information?


you might disagree with this war, and there are many respectable reasons to do so, but no soldier can wantonly just kill an unarmed combatant without severe penalty. much less intentionally kill an non-aggressing civilian.
BTW by your definition, a fetus is a person is a child so i guess your wrong about being able to kill them, huh? abortion's legal.

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Reply #27 posted 04/06/08 10:02am

Stymie

HiinEnkelte said:

Stymie said:

Did he or did he not vote for war? Does he support war? No one in their right mind can think they are going to rain bombs down on people and innocent people, even those still in their mothers' wombs, would not be killed. People are obviously okay with that and obviously can sleep at night.


i cannot give credence to your characterization of raining down bombs on innocent people. it's not an accurate or fair characterization, so i can't really address this.
Okay, let's take even one bomb then. Just one. When it hits, it kills innocents: women children, unborn. Can you address it now?

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HiinEnkelte said:

noimageatall said:



Exactly. Does not compute. Save the pre-nates, but send teens off to a war to die for no just reason. Absolutely illogical. Guess what? I am totally against abortion (but it's MY personal belief and I do not judge anyone else or say they're going to hell) yet I see where this makes NO SENSE!


so your view about the wrongfulness or pointlessness of fighting in this war is just your personal opinion as well, without judgment?


Not my personal opinion. But based on "facts" and research. Anyone today who still believes this is some kind of "just" war against terrorism has to have been living under a rock for the last 4 years. About the only 3 people on the planet who still are gung-ho about it are Bush, Cheney, and McCain.

Not only "this" war. Anyone who is pro-life cannot support any war. It's insane, illogical, and contradictory.

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Reply #29 posted 04/06/08 10:09am

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Stymie said:

HiinEnkelte said:



you might disagree with this war, and there are many respectable reasons to do so, but no soldier can wantonly just kill an unarmed combatant without severe penalty. much less intentionally kill an non-aggressing civilian.
BTW by your definition, a fetus is a person is a child so i guess your wrong about being able to kill them, huh? abortion's legal.


i honestly don't get what you are getting at. how am i wrong, or what wrong about based on my definition? only one side argues for making one class of humans unworthy of basic right to life simply for belonging to the class that they do. only one.

of course abortion kills a living child. a human being. that's what makes an abortion an abortion and not a hysterectomy. of course i know it's legal. and championed as a right. and it remains legal only because of democrats like hillary and obama who champion it as a right and fight to keep it legal. slavery was legal once too. and people argued against it on the grounds of the integrity, right, and humanity of all.

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