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Graycap23

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Prostitution question

Why do U.S. cities and counties waste so much tax payer money fighting crimes of prostitution? It seems like a serious waste of resources if 2 adults are involved.

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Reply #1 posted 02/20/08 2:07pm

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because underage girls are often sucked into it and preyed upon, i think.

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Reply #2 posted 02/20/08 2:11pm

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Legalize it. The consequence would be less health risks, supervised prostitution, lower crime rates, even a new source of taxes. I never understood why prostitution is illegal in most states in America. It doesn't make any sense. By forcing it into illegality you just loose control of it ... and that's when the trouble starts.

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Reply #3 posted 02/20/08 2:12pm

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MrSoulpower said:

Legalize it. The consequence would be less health risks, supervised prostitution, lower crime rates, even a new source of taxes. I never understood why prostitution is illegal in most states in America. It doesn't make any sense. By forcing it into illegality you just loose control of it ... and that's when the trouble starts.


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Reply #4 posted 02/20/08 2:21pm

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Graycap23 said:

Why do U.S. cities and counties waste so much tax payer money fighting crimes of prostitution? It seems like a serious waste of resources if 2 adults are involved.


A lot of U.S. cities like to put on this "moral" show for the rest of the Union.

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Reply #5 posted 02/20/08 2:24pm

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evenstar said:

MrSoulpower said:

Legalize it. The consequence would be less health risks, supervised prostitution, lower crime rates, even a new source of taxes. I never understood why prostitution is illegal in most states in America. It doesn't make any sense. By forcing it into illegality you just loose control of it ... and that's when the trouble starts.


exactly. nod

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Reply #6 posted 02/20/08 2:31pm

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Graycap23 said:

Why do U.S. cities and counties waste so much tax payer money fighting crimes of prostitution? It seems like a serious waste of resources if 2 adults are involved.


1. To stop the further spreading of sexually transmitted diseases.

2. To save and protect the spiritual code of marriage (READ: no adultery, no mistresses, no boy toys on the side, no keeping it on the "down low" with other men/women/animals, etc.).

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Reply #7 posted 02/20/08 2:33pm

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evenstar said:

because underage girls are often sucked into it and preyed upon, i think.


.....and don't forget about underage boys. There are a lot of evil women AND men out there that are willing to have boys & girls for sex slaves.

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Reply #8 posted 02/20/08 2:34pm

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TonyVanDam said:

evenstar said:

because underage girls are often sucked into it and preyed upon, i think.


.....and don't forget about underage boys. There are a lot of evil women AND men out there that are willing to have boys & girls for sex slaves.

Those are crimes. I'm speaking about 2 consenting adults.

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Reply #9 posted 02/20/08 2:36pm

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TonyVanDam said:

Graycap23 said:

Why do U.S. cities and counties waste so much tax payer money fighting crimes of prostitution? It seems like a serious waste of resources if 2 adults are involved.


1. To stop the further spreading of sexually transmitted diseases.

2. To save and protect the spiritual code of marriage (READ: no adultery, no mistresses, no boy toys on the side, no keeping it on the "down low" with other men/women/animals, etc.).

the government has not interest in spiritual meaning of marriage. that is an affair of the church not the state.

and if Postitution was legal and monitored it would ideally prevent the spread of disease.

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Reply #10 posted 02/20/08 2:36pm

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MrSoulpower said:

Legalize it. The consequence would be less health risks, supervised prostitution, lower crime rates, even a new source of taxes. I never understood why prostitution is illegal in most states in America. It doesn't make any sense. By forcing it into illegality you just loose control of it ... and that's when the trouble starts.


Regardless if prostitution is legal or not, I would love to have pimps & hoes pay taxes. And escort companies needs to pay taxes too. nod
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Reply #11 posted 02/20/08 2:37pm

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Graycap23 said:

TonyVanDam said:



.....and don't forget about underage boys. There are a lot of evil women AND men out there that are willing to have boys & girls for sex slaves.

Those are crimes. I'm speaking about 2 consenting adults.


Fair enough.

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Reply #12 posted 02/20/08 2:41pm

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shrug heard it really hasn't detoured any of the negative behavior by legalizing it in Neveda, problems are still the same.

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Reply #13 posted 02/20/08 2:42pm

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ehuffnsd said:

TonyVanDam said:



1. To stop the further spreading of sexually transmitted diseases.

2. To save and protect the spiritual code of marriage (READ: no adultery, no mistresses, no boy toys on the side, no keeping it on the "down low" with other men/women/animals, etc.).

the government has not interest in spiritual meaning of marriage. that is an affair of the church not the state.

and if Postitution was legal and monitored it would ideally prevent the spread of disease.


I forgot to mention politicians that had been purchasing escort services outside of their marriages. So there is still a problem with double standards that must be defeated.

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Reply #14 posted 02/20/08 2:42pm

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TonyVanDam said:

Graycap23 said:

Why do U.S. cities and counties waste so much tax payer money fighting crimes of prostitution? It seems like a serious waste of resources if 2 adults are involved.


1. To stop the further spreading of sexually transmitted diseases.

2. To save and protect the spiritual code of marriage (READ: no adultery, no mistresses, no boy toys on the side, no keeping it on the "down low" with other men/women/animals, etc.).


In a controlled environment, you can actually decrease STDs. But if you keep prostitution illegal, you cannot not keep the control.

And if you think that you can "protect the spiritual code of marriage" by banning prostitution, you are an illusionist.
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Reply #15 posted 02/20/08 2:43pm

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morningsong said:

shrug heard it really hasn't detoured any of the negative behavior by legalizing it in Neveda, problems are still the same.


Las Vegas is still in the Top 5 for biggest crime rate in America.

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Reply #16 posted 02/20/08 2:44pm

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TonyVanDam said:

morningsong said:

shrug heard it really hasn't detoured any of the negative behavior by legalizing it in Neveda, problems are still the same.


Las Vegas is still in the Top 5 for biggest crime rate in America.

drugs.

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Reply #17 posted 02/20/08 2:45pm

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MrSoulpower said:

TonyVanDam said:



1. To stop the further spreading of sexually transmitted diseases.

2. To save and protect the spiritual code of marriage (READ: no adultery, no mistresses, no boy toys on the side, no keeping it on the "down low" with other men/women/animals, etc.).


In a controlled environment, you can actually decrease SMDs. But if you keep prostitution illegal, you cannot not keep the control.

And if you think that you can "protect the spiritual code of marriage" by banning prostitution, you are an illusionist.


Don't look at me. I'm not the government that wasting tax money on a losing battle.

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Reply #18 posted 02/20/08 2:50pm

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TonyVanDam said:

MrSoulpower said:



In a controlled environment, you can actually decrease SMDs. But if you keep prostitution illegal, you cannot not keep the control.

And if you think that you can "protect the spiritual code of marriage" by banning prostitution, you are an illusionist.


Don't look at me. I'm not the government that wasting tax money on a losing battle.

losing battle as in keeping the spiritual code of marraige?

or fighting the battle against prosititution?

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Reply #19 posted 02/20/08 2:50pm

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TonyVanDam said:

MrSoulpower said:



In a controlled environment, you can actually decrease SMDs. But if you keep prostitution illegal, you cannot not keep the control.

And if you think that you can "protect the spiritual code of marriage" by banning prostitution, you are an illusionist.


Don't look at me. I'm not the government that wasting tax money on a losing battle.


I was addressing the issue in a general manner. smile And you are right, it's a waste of money. And it's hypocritical because it's usually those in power who spend their money on hookers.

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ehuffnsd said:

TonyVanDam said:



Don't look at me. I'm not the government that wasting tax money on a losing battle.

losing battle as in keeping the spiritual code of marraige?

or fighting the battle against prosititution?


Both!

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Reply #21 posted 02/20/08 2:51pm

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evenstar said:

because underage girls are often sucked into it and preyed upon, i think.

Honestly, I don't think that is the driving force.

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Reply #22 posted 02/20/08 2:51pm

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TonyVanDam said:


Regardless if prostitution is legal or not, I would love to have pimps & hoes pay taxes. And escort companies needs to pay taxes too. nod
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Exactly. But once you legalize it and they pay taxes, they also earn certain rights, including retirement pensions.

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Reply #23 posted 02/20/08 2:52pm

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TonyVanDam said:

morningsong said:

shrug heard it really hasn't detoured any of the negative behavior by legalizing it in Neveda, problems are still the same.


Las Vegas is still in the Top 5 for biggest crime rate in America.


But how much of that is due to prostitution????

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Reply #24 posted 02/20/08 2:53pm

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TonyVanDam said:

ehuffnsd said:


losing battle as in keeping the spiritual code of marraige?

or fighting the battle against prosititution?


Both!

are you for or against legal prostitution?

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Reply #25 posted 02/20/08 2:54pm

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Sowhat said:

TonyVanDam said:



Las Vegas is still in the Top 5 for biggest crime rate in America.


But how much of that is due to prostitution????


This will be hard to proove. But even if there was a link, it would be a weak case against legalized prostitution. Nevada being the only state of 50 states with liberal prostition laws is asking for trouble.

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Reply #26 posted 02/20/08 3:08pm

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Interview excerpts...

The former prostitutes say even legal brothels victimize women. They say selling your body like that takes away your soul and causes physical problems.

The non-profit plans to get aggressive in banning all prostitution in Nevada.

A new book about the sex trade in Las Vegas says our city have more advertisements for illegal prostitution than any other major city.

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Reply #27 posted 02/20/08 3:13pm

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ehuffnsd said:

TonyVanDam said:



Both!

are you for or against legal prostitution?


For myself, it not my cup of tea.

For everyone else that want the freedom to rent a hoe, legalize it.

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Reply #28 posted 02/20/08 3:15pm

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Never been one so I can only listen to those who have been.


« Is “Maureen Dowd” Deemed a “Progressive” by Media Matters For America To Alienate Feminists?4th Annual Conference: “Prostitution, Sex Work, and the Commercial Sex Industry” »Melissa Farley, “Prostitution and Trafficking in Nevada: Making the Connections”


From this site:

Prostitution and Trafficking in Nevada addresses the scope of the sex industry in Nevada, including human rights violations against women in the Nevada legal brothels. The book describes how the multibillion-dollar illegal sex industry in Las Vegas works. Sex trafficking from within and outside of the US, advertising for prostitution, political corruption, pornography, organized crime and the constant demand of men for paid sex - all contribute to prostitution and trafficking in Nevada.

The Guardian featured an article about the book entitled “It’s like you sign a contract to be raped.” Here is an excerpt:

… During a two-year investigation, the author, Melissa Farley, visited eight legal brothels in Nevada, interviewing 45 women and a number of brothel owners. Far from enjoying better conditions than those who work illegally, the prostitutes she spoke to are often subject to slave-like conditions.

Described as “pussy penitentiaries” by one interviewee, the brothels tend to be in the middle of nowhere, out of sight of ordinary Nevadans. (Brothels are officially allowed only in counties with populations of fewer than 400,000, so prostitution remains an illegal - though vast - trade in conurbations such as Las Vegas.) The brothel prostitutes often live in prison-like conditions, locked in or forbidden to leave.

“The physical appearance of these buildings is shocking,” says Farley. “They look like wide trailers with barbed wire around them - little jails.” The rooms all have panic buttons, but many women told her that they had experienced violent and sexual abuse from the customers and pimps.

“I saw a grated iron door in one brothel,” says Farley. “The women’s food was shoved through the door’s steel bars between the kitchen and the brothel area. One pimp starved a woman he considered too fat. She made a friend outside the brothel who would throw food over the fence for her.” Another pimp told Farley matter-of-factly that many of the women working for him had histories of sexual abuse and mental ill-health. “Most,” he said, “have been sexually abused as kids. Some are bipolar, some are schizophrenic.”

Then there is the fact that legal prostitutes seem to lose the rights ordinary citizens enjoy. From 1987, prostitutes in Nevada have been legally required to be tested once a week for sexually transmitted diseases and monthly for HIV. Customers are not required to be tested. The women must present their medical clearance to the police station and be finger-printed, even though such registration is detrimental: if a woman is known to work as a prostitute, she may be refused health insurance, face discrimination in housing or future employment, or endure accusations of unfit motherhood. In addition, there are countries that will not permit registered prostitutes to settle, so their movement is severely restricted.

Those who support the system claim that the regulations may help prevent pimping, which they see as a worse form of exploitation to that which occurs in brothels. According to Farley’s research though, most women in legal brothels have pimps outside anyway, be they husbands or boyfriends. And, as Chong Kim, a survivor of prostitution who has worked with Farley, says, some of the legal brothel owners “are worse than any pimp. They abuse and imprison women and are fully protected by the state.”

The women are expected to live in the brothels and to work 12- to 14-hour shifts. Mary, a prostitute in a legal brothel for three years, outlines the restrictions. “You are not allowed to have your own car,” she notes. “It’s like [the pimp’s] own little police state.” When a customer arrives, a bell rings, and the women immediately have to present themselves in a line-up, so he can choose who to buy. …

Via Reclusive Leftist.

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morningsong said:

Interview excerpts...

The former prostitutes say even legal brothels victimize women. They say selling your body like that takes away your soul and causes physical problems.

The non-profit plans to get aggressive in banning all prostitution in Nevada.

A new book about the sex trade in Las Vegas says our city have more advertisements for illegal prostitution than any other major city.


Physical problems ... taking away your Soul .. these are all very subjective experiences by some women, and these women certainly have a choice. Illegal prostitution however opens the market for many young girls who are victims of kidnapping and are being forced to do the job.

Germany, where I was born, is one of those countries where prostitution is legalized. The health department supervises the brothels, the police constantly checks. Women need work permits, they are forced to physical examinations and AIDS tests every three months. Prostitutes are organized in unions, they pay taxes and are entitled to retirement.

Has this legalization caused a moral downfall or epidemic of STDs in Germany? Certainly not, quite the contrary. Men who feel the need to go see a prostitute are not forced to pick up a filthy crack whore from Sunset Boulevard, but they can choose to visit a clean, sterile environment where they can be sure that all prostitutes use condoms. There are much less rapes and sexual assaults in Germany compared to the U.S.

Of course there's also illegal prostitution, and there always will be. This cannot be prevented, just like you cannot prevent people from using illegal drugs. But legilized prostitution certainly had a positive effect.

Now if your main objection is morals and based on your religious belief - that is not any business of the government. If two adults agree to trade money for sex, it's their business. Even if they commit adultry - a man who wants to get laid outside of his relationship or marriage, will do it anyway. I think it's better if he can play it safe instead of catching a disease and passing it on to his wife or girlfriend.

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