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Smoking Bans I live on the border of IA and IL. In IL there is now a smoking ban in place for almost all public places and now IA is considering the same thing.
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i appreciate not being forced to breath smoke
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I love it. | |
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I smoke only when I go out so it's been a little wierd but I love coming home not smelling like an ashtray. | |
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shanti0608 said: I love it.
I have lived in Florida where they banned it some time ago. It is really hard to go back to being in places where they still smoke indoors. They banned it in the UK last July. Thank God. It makes places far more bearable. Smokers can stand outside as far as I'm concerned. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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they're great if you date a smoker- it gives you an excuse to go outside and kiss | |
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Shapeshifter said: shanti0608 said: I love it.
I have lived in Florida where they banned it some time ago. It is really hard to go back to being in places where they still smoke indoors. They banned it in the UK last July. Thank God. It makes places far more bearable. Smokers can stand outside as far as I'm concerned. I know I am so glad since I moved to the UK in Sept. It would be hard to live here if all of the places were still smokey. Most of the pubs have made accommodation's for the smokers. | |
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LOVE the bans. | |
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i don't smoke, but since the smoking ban went into effect here in Maryland, i've stopped going to bars at all. i just don't agree with smokers being treated like monsters. and if i want to get drunk in a smoke-free environment, i can do that at home | |
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Dance said: LOVE the bans.
I love it too. Now you can go to places and be able to breathe. If they want to smoke their cancer sticks, let'em go outside, as a previous poster said. | |
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byronic said: i don't smoke, but since the smoking ban went into effect here in Maryland, i've stopped going to bars at all. i just don't agree with smokers being treated like monsters. and if i want to get drunk in a smoke-free environment, i can do that at home
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LOve it!
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i think bans in bars are great because i don't think people should be exposed to cancer-causing carcinogens while they're in the process of blurring their judgment and destroying their livers by consuming massive quantities of alcohol. | |
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am i the only non-smoker who doesn't agree with the demonization of smokers? | |
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byronic said: am i the only non-smoker who doesn't agree with the demonization of smokers?
I don't think anyone is advocating the public flogging of smokers. They can smoke, just not indoors. When it becomes an issue involving more than 1 person I don't think that is going too far. I don't fart at work cause others don't want to smell it and I respect that, and they are rarely deadly. I don't want to smell the smoke and it may kill me so why can't they respect that? This is untoward! This is not toward! |
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byronic said: am i the only non-smoker who doesn't agree with the demonization of smokers?
I don't think it's demonization. When I am out with my kids, I don't want them breathing second-hand smoke. One of my grands has asthma, and breathing smoke could kill him. Smoke all you want to at home. Just not in my face in public. And I have heard people say, "Well, what about obese people? Next we'll be banning them from overeating in public." (I think they are trying to in one state) I have no problem with that. That big sandwich with two sides of fries can't kill ME and my kids if I breath in the smell.  ONLY LOSERS FEAR A MORE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD~~Sananda Maitreya Beware of men that will not go down! (I wish my momma had taught me all this)-BklynBabe | |
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I wish we would have them too. It may take 2 or 3 more years I guess. Martina, now orgs official resident fairy/pixie 
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mdiver said: LOve it!
Was introduced in the UK in july last year and everywhere seems to be doing better takings wise because the Non smokers are back It was introduced in England in July.
One downside is the smell now found in pubs. Some places stink of questionable personal hygiene and if you go out early, you can end the night with your clothes reeking of chips! But I think the ban is the right way forward. (I'm a smoker.)  people who've recently made me `lol`squirrelgrease x2, IB, Pandurito, Anxiety, sammij, Imago, muirdo x2, graycap23, johnart x2, Timmy84, MrsM, errant, minneapolisgenius, Zombiekitten, Ace, whistle, CarrieMpls, 9s, MrSmoketoomuch, Fauxie, sermw. | |
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I do not understand why anyone would smoke.
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I'm just playing devil's advocate here because of a statement someone made above:
ing one day about racial prejudice, Paramahansa Yogananda said, "God is not pleased to be insulted when He wears His dark suits." | |
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LittleRedCorvette said: I'm just playing devil's advocate here because of a statement someone made above:
But why is it that people get upset about people smoking in bars because it affects them, and can impact their health, but no one gets upset about people drinking in the bars and then getting in a car afterwards? I mean, a drunk driver can kill even faster than a lit cigarette. No one is advocating drunk driving. We are assuming that if you've drunk too much, you will not drive. [Edited 2/20/08 18:55pm] Second Funkiest White Man in America It sure is nice having adults running our government now | |
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RodeoSchro said: LittleRedCorvette said: I'm just playing devil's advocate here because of a statement someone made above:
But why is it that people get upset about people smoking in bars because it affects them, and can impact their health, but no one gets upset about people drinking in the bars and then getting in a car afterwards? I mean, a drunk driver can kill even faster than a lit cigarette. No one is advocating drunk driving. We are assuming that if you've drunk too much, you will not drive. [Edited 2/20/08 18:55pm] But that doesn't always happen Schro. Statistically more people die by a drunk driver than by second hand smoke. And I didn't say anyone was advocating drunk driving, just simply asking the question, why is smoking in bars so bad, when there are many that do have one too many that get in their cars and actually harm or kill someone that very night? People in the thread are talking about going to bars, and how much more better it is without the smoke being involved, BUT the fact is, most people go to bars/pubs to drink/party, and to get a buzz. Those same people get in their cars and drive. So I guess my question comes down to, how can someone get upset about smokers in pubs/bars, but not take into consideration the environment of the bar/pub/club and the drinking that goes on and the fact that others WILL get behind the steering wheel that night and possibly take a life? ing one day about racial prejudice, Paramahansa Yogananda said, "God is not pleased to be insulted when He wears His dark suits." | |
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LittleRedCorvette said: RodeoSchro said: No one is advocating drunk driving. We are assuming that if you've drunk too much, you will not drive. [Edited 2/20/08 18:55pm] But that doesn't always happen Schro. Statistically more people die by a drunk driver than by second hand smoke. And I didn't say anyone was advocating drunk driving, just simply asking the question, why is smoking in bars so bad, when there are many that do have one too many that get in their cars and actually harm or kill someone that very night? People in the thread are talking about going to bars, and how much more better it is without the smoke being involved, BUT the fact is, most people go to bars/pubs to drink/party, and to get a buzz. Those same people get in their cars and drive. So I guess my question comes down to, how can someone get upset about smokers in pubs/bars, but not take into consideration the environment of the bar/pub/club and the drinking that goes on and the fact that others WILL get behind the steering wheel that night and possibly take a life? My position is that smoking kills many more people than drunk driving. Secondhand smoke kills as many people as automobiles. There are about 40,0000 automobile-related deaths in the US each year. Somewhere around 40% of those are alcohol related. The number of alcohol-related fatalties has decreased since 1982. Factors contributing to that decrease include stricter laws and enforcement (thank you, MADD), safer cars, and alcohol companies taking responsibility and educating drinkers on the dangers of alcohol and driving (thank you, plaintiffs attorneys). According to cancer.org, secondhand smoke is responsible for about 40,000 deaths per year. That's as many as ALL automobile-related deaths, not just deaths caused by drunk drivers. Here is the information from cancer.org: Secondhand smoke can be harmful in many ways. In the United States alone, each year it is responsible for:
-an estimated 35,000 deaths from heart disease in non-smokers who live with smokers -about 3,400 lung cancer deaths in non-smoking adults There are a lot of other costs and harmful effects from secondhand smoke. Go here to learn more: http://www.cancer.org/doc...or_Air.asp Second Funkiest White Man in America It sure is nice having adults running our government now | |
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I love it, as I loathe smoking and tire of coming home from bars and other nightspots smelling like an ashtray. I live in St. Louis, which is right on the Illinois border, so I have seen the early effect of this.
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Anxiety said: i think bans in bars are great because i don't think people should be exposed to cancer-causing carcinogens while they're in the process of blurring their judgment and destroying their livers by consuming massive quantities of alcohol.
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RodeoSchro said: My position is that smoking kills many more people than drunk driving. Secondhand smoke kills as many people as automobiles.
There are about 40,0000 automobile-related deaths in the US each year. Somewhere around 40% of those are alcohol related. The number of alcohol-related fatalties has decreased since 1982. Factors contributing to that decrease include stricter laws and enforcement (thank you, MADD), safer cars, and alcohol companies taking responsibility and educating drinkers on the dangers of alcohol and driving (thank you, plaintiffs attorneys). According to cancer.org, secondhand smoke is responsible for about 40,000 deaths per year. That's as many as ALL automobile-related deaths, not just deaths caused by drunk drivers. Here is the information from cancer.org: Secondhand smoke can be harmful in many ways. In the United States alone, each year it is responsible for:
-an estimated 35,000 deaths from heart disease in non-smokers who live with smokers -about 3,400 lung cancer deaths in non-smoking adults There are a lot of other costs and harmful effects from secondhand smoke. Go here to learn more: http://www.cancer.org/doc...or_Air.asp Like I said Rodeo, I'm playing devil's advocate. Even when I smoked, I smoked outside and did not smoke around my children or my husband. Working in hospice, I see the effects of smoking with our patients who have lung cancer or COPD. And trust me, neither one is a pain free or a pleasant death. But I am saying, that while we are advocating for no smoking in public, we still need to be advocating for no drunk driving as well as taking a look at the impact that alcohol has upon our society, families, etc. While drunk driving may have decreased, the other impacts that drinking has upon families remain at an almost constant (talking about domestic violence, violence in general in bars and such, child abuse). The sad truth of the matter is, no matter where we go, there is going to be something that impacts us, whether it is second hand smoke, carcinogens in meat products, drunk driving, and the list goes on. It's not a matter of getting rid of smoking in public, but a need to look at how we produce most of our products, what we add to our products (including the food we eat), and becoming more socially and environmentally aware. Second hand smoke is a concern, and can cause damage, but there are so many other things out there that do the same thing. As Byronic said earlier, smokers have almost become demonized, and yet food producers who add chemicals and such to our food products that can do just as much damage, remain unchallenged. [Edited 2/20/08 19:28pm] ing one day about racial prejudice, Paramahansa Yogananda said, "God is not pleased to be insulted when He wears His dark suits." | |
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violator said: I love it, as I loathe smoking and tire of coming home from bars and other nightspots smelling like an ashtray. I live in St. Louis, which is right on the Illinois border, so I have seen the early effect of this.
I'm almost starting to feel sorry for them though... smokers are so persecuted. I do not feel sorry for anyone born after, say, 1960 who smokes. I do not believe any reasonable person born from 1960 on could have been ignorant of the effects of smoking. They knew/know what they are getting into. They should know better. Anyone who chooses to smoke today is a total idiot. NO EXCEPTIONS. Second Funkiest White Man in America It sure is nice having adults running our government now | |
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