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Thread started 10/04/07 9:09am

markpeg

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JWs & The Garden of Eden

I studied for about a year with two Jehovah's Witnesses that I invited into my home each week. They told me that we would one day get back to a worldwide Garden of Eden, where everything is lush and green and warm. I would like Prince or any other JW to explain this idea further. I live in Canada and I don't see any way it could be warm in January!

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Reply #1 posted 10/04/07 9:59am

Empress

Global warming?

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Reply #2 posted 10/04/07 10:41am

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markpeg said:

I studied for about a year with two Jehovah's Witnesses that I invited into my home each week. They told me that we would one day get back to a worldwide Garden of Eden, where everything is lush and green and warm. I would like Prince or any other JW to explain this idea further. I live in Canada and I don't see any way it could be warm in January!


confuse

I find it rather amazing that you studied for an entire year and never had a fuller understanding of God's promise of paradisaic conditions on the earth. eek

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Reply #3 posted 10/04/07 2:45pm

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Genesis 1:14 states: “And God went on to say: ‘Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years.’”

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Reply #4 posted 10/04/07 8:11pm

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It was God or Jehovah's original purpose to have mankind live in this garden and extend that garedn to the ends of the earth and just because Satan,Adam and Eve messed it up his/God/Jehovah's original purpose did not change.

"We all got a space to fill"
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Reply #5 posted 10/04/07 11:41pm

Heiress

Is your question about the seasons?

I rather enjoy them. And I wonder if we'll have these to some extent in the new world... the Bible doesn't say. It focuses more on the sort of people who will inhabit the world.

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Reply #6 posted 10/05/07 4:36am

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...as you already know, if you wanted to realllly know the answer to that question/objection, you could ask a JW's to visit you again, so you could get more of a scriptual response, eh?...but my on-spot answer is, WITH GOD alllll things are possible!!! (he's the CREATOR, HE that cause to become!!!)
but i have to admit, your question was kinda cute...





markpeg said:

I studied for about a year with two Jehovah's Witnesses that I invited into my home each week. They told me that we would one day get back to a worldwide Garden of Eden, where everything is lush and green and warm. I would like Prince or any other JW to explain this idea further. I live in Canada and I don't see any way it could be warm in January!

*... "ive always said, that if you have to ask for something more than once or twice, it wasnt yours in the first place"...*
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Reply #7 posted 10/05/07 5:35am

Heiress

silverjean said:

...as you already know, if you wanted to realllly know the answer to that question/objection, you could ask a JW's to visit you again, so you could get more of a scriptual response, eh?...but my on-spot answer is, WITH GOD alllll things are possible!!! (he's the CREATOR, HE that cause to become!!!)
but i have to admit, your question was kinda cute...



Well, hello young lady. Long time no see!

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Reply #8 posted 10/06/07 9:32am

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...??? (alias) do you have a new avatar? who is dis?
ciao!!!


Heiress said:

silverjean said:

...as you already know, if you wanted to realllly know the answer to that question/objection, you could ask a JW's to visit you again, so you could get more of a scriptual response, eh?...but my on-spot answer is, WITH GOD alllll things are possible!!! (he's the CREATOR, HE that cause to become!!!)
but i have to admit, your question was kinda cute...



Well, hello young lady. Long time no see!

*... "ive always said, that if you have to ask for something more than once or twice, it wasnt yours in the first place"...*
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Reply #9 posted 10/06/07 12:10pm

markpeg

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The couple I studied with were elderly and not in the best shape, so they might have left some details out LOL. They also said everyone will be in their late twenties/early thirties and stay that way.

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Reply #10 posted 10/08/07 5:02am

Heiress

markpeg said:

The couple I studied with were elderly and not in the best shape, so they might have left some details out LOL. They also said everyone will be in their late twenties/early thirties and stay that way.


at their physical peak, in other words...

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Reply #11 posted 10/08/07 7:26am

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"lush and green and warm."

thumbs up! for tropic summers cool

what kinda heaven ON earth would deny mother earth her seasons of change though

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The Whorg - org whores unite !

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Reply #12 posted 10/13/07 8:51am

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I asked the couple I studied with if there would be a point in the New Garden of Eden when it would be overpopulated and this is what they said:

"If God can make our bodies fruitful and produce children, He can also make it stop when there are enough people in the world."

"So sex will be just for pleasure, with no worries about pregnancies?" I asked hopefully.

"Yes!" they replied with big grins on their faces.

No wonder Prince is a JW.

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Reply #13 posted 10/14/07 12:27am

Heiress

markpeg said:

I asked the couple I studied with if there would be a point in the New Garden of Eden when it would be overpopulated and this is what they said:

"If God can make our bodies fruitful and produce children, He can also make it stop when there are enough people in the world."

"So sex will be just for pleasure, with no worries about pregnancies?" I asked hopefully.

"Yes!" they replied with big grins on their faces.

No wonder Prince is a JW.


cute!

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Reply #14 posted 10/14/07 2:27am

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markpeg said:

I asked the couple I studied with if there would be a point in the New Garden of Eden when it would be overpopulated and this is what they said:

"If God can make our bodies fruitful and produce children, He can also make it stop when there are enough people in the world."

"So sex will be just for pleasure, with no worries about pregnancies?" I asked hopefully.

"Yes!" they replied with big grins on their faces.

No wonder Prince is a JW.


Is that in the scriptures?

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Reply #15 posted 10/15/07 2:38pm

markpeg

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I don't think it is in the Scriptures, I think it's just JW speculation, and that's my point. This old couple was feeding me a crock of shit and I stopped studying with them.

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Reply #16 posted 10/15/07 4:42pm

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markpeg said:

I don't think it is in the Scriptures, I think it's just JW speculation, and that's my point. This old couple was feeding me a crock of shit and I stopped studying with them.


Of course it's a speculation, the bible doesn't explain everything to us. To me it does make some sense, who knows man is trying to reach other worlds, maybe this huge universe is made for us also after time Jehovah would tell us what to do. That's another speculation.
But that's not the only reason you stopped studying is it? I would have asked for someone my own age to study with me.

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Reply #17 posted 10/16/07 12:03am

Heiress

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markpeg said:

I don't think it is in the Scriptures, I think it's just JW speculation, and that's my point. This old couple was feeding me a crock of shit and I stopped studying with them.


Of course it's a speculation, the bible doesn't explain everything to us. To me it does make some sense, who knows man is trying to reach other worlds, maybe this huge universe is made for us also after time Jehovah would tell us what to do. That's another speculation.
But that's not the only reason you stopped studying is it? I would have asked for someone my own age to study with me.


Well, given that Adam & Eve were naked... I suppose it was warm at first.

And I suppose that if the earth were going back to paradise conditions, it would be warm again.

That's the most I can surmise.

Other climatic changes: the desert is supposed to blossom... (Isaiah, right?)

Anybody else think of other specifics stated?

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Reply #18 posted 10/16/07 12:23am

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markpeg said:

I don't think it is in the Scriptures, I think it's just JW speculation, and that's my point. This old couple was feeding me a crock of shit and I stopped studying with them.


Sorry let me rephrase that. Is that their personal speculation or part of a consistent teaching by the group as a whole?

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Reply #19 posted 10/16/07 11:39am

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It was more of a side discussion we started having when we stopped reading from a little booklet they gave me and the Bible as well. I got the sense that is what they were really hoping for a return to their youth.

I stopped studying with them when I brought in a questionaire from an Inter-denominational Church I was visiting at the time. They were really confused by the idea that you should pray the Sinner's Prayer to become a follower of Jesus. It was then that I told them the Jehovah Witness way was not for me, as I really believed in the Sinner's Prayer.


They phoned me several times after that to come to their meetings at the Hall, but I refused each time and they finally left me alone.

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Reply #20 posted 10/16/07 11:46am

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markpeg said:

It was more of a side discussion we started having when we stopped reading from a little booklet they gave me and the Bible as well. I got the sense that is what they were really hoping for a return to their youth.

I stopped studying with them when I brought in a questionaire from an Inter-denominational Church I was visiting at the time. They were really confused by the idea that you should pray the Sinner's Prayer to become a follower of Jesus. It was then that I told them the Jehovah Witness way was not for me, as I really believed in the Sinner's Prayer.


They phoned me several times after that to come to their meetings at the Hall, but I refused each time and they finally left me alone.


Is the "Sinner's Prayer" something that the Bible recommends one say in order to become a follower of Jesus?

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Thanks! biggrin
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Reply #21 posted 10/16/07 11:54am

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I think it does indirectly. You're supposed to bring your sins to the cross aren't you?

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Reply #22 posted 10/16/07 12:35pm

Heiress

markpeg said:

I think it does indirectly. You're supposed to bring your sins to the cross aren't you?


In what's known as the "Our Father" or model prayer, we can ask that our sins be forgiven... Is that it?

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Reply #23 posted 10/18/07 10:52am

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No, It's this basically:

Dear God, I am a sinner.

I accept that your Son Jesus died for me on the cross.

I ask you to please forgive my sins.

Come into my life Lord Jesus.

Thank You for hearing my prayer. Amen.


There are more elaborate versions, but that is bascially what is said.

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Reply #24 posted 10/18/07 12:09pm

Uhope

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markpeg said:

I think it does indirectly. You're supposed to bring your sins to the cross aren't you?


I've never read anything in the Bible that supports that idea.

Prayer is important and we are all sinners. Faith in Jesus' sacrifice to cover those sins is essential. nod

However, Jesus counseled against saying the same words over and over when praying. God is more interested in the thoughts of our hearts rather than how many prayers we have memorized. Even the Lord's Prayer is simply a model of how to frame our personal prayers -- it shouldn't be recited by rote, either.

Go to the source: www.watchtower.org

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Reply #25 posted 10/19/07 11:14am

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Thanks I'll have to change my praying.

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Reply #26 posted 10/19/07 11:01pm

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Reply #27 posted 10/19/07 11:12pm

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Heiress said:

rodman2 said:



Of course it's a speculation, the bible doesn't explain everything to us. To me it does make some sense, who knows man is trying to reach other worlds, maybe this huge universe is made for us also after time Jehovah would tell us what to do. That's another speculation.
But that's not the only reason you stopped studying is it? I would have asked for someone my own age to study with me.


Well, given that Adam & Eve were naked... I suppose it was warm at first.

And I suppose that if the earth were going back to paradise conditions, it would be warm again.

That's the most I can surmise.

Other climatic changes: the desert is supposed to blossom... (Isaiah, right?)

Anybody else think of other specifics stated?


I believe the Garden of Eden was warm because of its location. If Adam & Eve had traveled to a higher elevation they would have worn clothes, not because they were ashamed of their nakedness, because the buns would have froze!
I picture paradise earth of still having four seasons and snow capped mountains. It will be a beautiful place no matter where your at!
[Edited 10/19/07 23:17pm]

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Reply #28 posted 10/20/07 5:43am

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AQUABOOGIE said:

Heiress said:



Well, given that Adam & Eve were naked... I suppose it was warm at first.

And I suppose that if the earth were going back to paradise conditions, it would be warm again.

That's the most I can surmise.

Other climatic changes: the desert is supposed to blossom... (Isaiah, right?)

Anybody else think of other specifics stated?


I believe the Garden of Eden was warm because of its location. If Adam & Eve had traveled to a higher elevation they would have worn clothes, not because they were ashamed of their nakedness, because the buns would have froze!
I picture paradise earth of still having four seasons and snow capped mountains. It will be a beautiful place no matter where your at!
[Edited 10/19/07 23:17pm]


Hey, I'm open to anything, really. smile

But there are canopy theories around too; given that before the flood it "had never rained before"... meaning the earth would have been climatically different in some way.

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Reply #29 posted 10/20/07 9:05am

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Heiress said:

AQUABOOGIE said:



I believe the Garden of Eden was warm because of its location. If Adam & Eve had traveled to a higher elevation they would have worn clothes, not because they were ashamed of their nakedness, because the buns would have froze!
I picture paradise earth of still having four seasons and snow capped mountains. It will be a beautiful place no matter where your at!
[Edited 10/19/07 23:17pm]


Hey, I'm open to anything, really. smile

But there are canopy theories around too; given that before the flood it "had never rained before"... meaning the earth would have been climatically different in some way.

Oh yeah the canopy theory...
hmmm I suppose the earth was a warm tropical place during that time period.

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