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AP
We Are All in It Together, Clinton Says
Tuesday May 29, 12:11 pm ET
By Holly Ramer, Associated Press Writer
Clinton: Shared Prosperity Should Replace 'On Your Own' Society


MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) -- Presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton outlined a broad economic vision Tuesday, saying it's time to replace an "on your own" society with one based on shared responsibility and prosperity.
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The Democratic senator said what the Bush administration touts as an "ownership society" really is an "on your own" society that has widened the gap between rich and poor.

"I prefer a 'we're all in it together' society," she said. "I believe our government can once again work for all Americans. It can promote the great American tradition of opportunity for all and special privileges for none."

That means pairing growth with fairness, she said, to ensure that the middle-class succeeds in the global economy, not just corporate CEOs.

"There is no greater force for economic growth than free markets. But markets work best with rules that promote our values, protect our workers and give all people a chance to succeed," she said. "Fairness doesn't just happen. It requires the right government policies."

Clinton spoke at the Manchester School of Technology, which trains high school students for careers in the construction, automotive, graphic arts and other industries. The school highlighted one of the nine goals she outlined: increasing support for alternative schools and community colleges.

"We have sent a message to our young people that if you don't go to college ... that you're thought less of in America. We have to stop this," she said. "Our country cannot run without the people who have the skills that are taught in this school."

Beyond education, Clinton said she would reduce special breaks for corporations, eliminate tax incentives for companies that ship jobs overseas and open up CEO pay to greater public scrutiny.

Clinton also said she would help people save more money by expanding and simplifying the earned income tax credit; create new jobs by pursuing energy independence; and ensure that every American has affordable health insurance.

IrresistibleB1tch said:

apparently, people working towards a common goal...

cborgman said:

I may not have the same goal as you.
Freedom is the ability to choose your own goal and work towards it.

What about that are you guys opposed to?

seekingtruth said:

no part of it, which is why this reading of hillary as socialist is so ridiculous and paranoid.

IrresistibleB1tch said:

apparently, people working towards a common goal...

cborgman said:

Hillary is spouting this stuff just like every democratic hopeful does prior to the primaries.

Two trends are consistent leading up to primaries....

1. Democrats start making empty arguments about class warfare.
2. Republicans start making empty arguments about defense and tax cuts.

Either way, they are empty promises. You guys are so sure that the democrats are for this euphoric society and it really is sad.

Some make more money and others don't. It will always be that way. Whether or not you and I prosper and become successful is up to us.

Remember....Without big business there is no big product.

cborgman said:

and, of course, feminism

XxAxX said:

damn that feminism!!

it's always behind everything bad!

CURSE YOU, FEMINISM!!!

cborgman said:

Your right. It is the breasts that scare me.

I am stating is a little strong, but the socialist principle is already here. The fact that we have a different rate of taxation depending on how much money you make is representative of a socialist government.

We are not there, and it would take a lot to get to that point, but change rarely happens over night.

cborgman said:

Hillary is spouting this stuff just like every democratic hopeful does prior to the primaries.

Two trends are consistent leading up to primaries....

1. Democrats start making empty arguments about class warfare.
2. Republicans start making empty arguments about defense and tax cuts.

Either way, they are empty promises. You guys are so sure that the democrats are for this euphoric society and it really is sad.

Some make more money and others don't. It will always be that way. Whether or not you and I prosper and become successful is up to us.Remember....Without big business there is no big product.

seekingtruth said:

Right.....because we all know every American is on a level playing field.

seekingtruth said:

Right.....because we all know every American is on a level playing field.

cborgman said:

Your right. It is the breasts that scare me.

I am stating is a little strong, but the socialist principle is already here. The fact that we have a different rate of taxation depending on how much money you make is representative of a socialist government.

We are not there, and it would take a lot to get to that point, but change rarely happens over night.

cborgman said:

Your right. It is the breasts that scare me.

I am stating is a little strong, but the socialist principle is already here. The fact that we have a different rate of taxation depending on how much money you make is representative of a socialist government.

We are not there, and it would take a lot to get to that point, but change rarely happens over night.

seekingtruth said:

Meanwhile back at the ranch we are all paying taxes! If a multi-millionaire has 10,000,000 left over after paying 1,000,000 in taxes you will have to excuse the rest of us for not feeling too bad for them after having to pay several hundred dollars in taxes from our hundreds of dollar paychecks. The idea that the rich are coming out of the deal with less is absurd. The thing that boggles my mind is when poor conservatives take up arms to defend the rich.

Why is it that we as a society should be raped at the oil pump with NOTHING to show for it? Since Bush has been in office, the big oil companies have earned a half a trillion dollars in PROFITS. That money goes to select shareholders and the profits those companies have earned are not being proportionately invested in investment projects. Republicans want you to believe in the fairy tale that hard work = equality. Many hardworkers work their asses off with not much to show for it. Meanwhile Paris Hilton doesn't work nearly as hard as the maid who cleans her shit off her toilets, meanwhile Paris is rewarded with tax breaks, cuz god forbid she pay taxes on money she worked ZERO DAYS TO EARN.

The middle class and the poor take the brunt of things that help to make the rich more wealthy. There is nothing wrong with expecting that those who are able to live in the lap of luxury because of the society that helps them get there to share in the health of the nation itself.

seekingtruth said:

i presume you're talking about income tax. frankly, i don't have the energy today to go into a discussion about labor and the value of the commodity that is the work provided by the working class. maybe some other day.

in the meantime, let's not forget that all other taxes - sales tax, vehicle tax, etc. are paid equally by everybody, without regard to their income.

seekingtruth said:

i presume you're talking about income tax. frankly, i don't have the energy today to go into a discussion about labor and the value of the commodity that is the work provided by the working class. maybe some other day.

in the meantime, let's not forget that all other taxes - sales tax, vehicle tax, etc. are paid equally by everybody, without regard to their income.

Call it what you want.....it is socialism. One 'Greater Good' for the many is a socialist principle. It is in opposition to the Free Market Society which we now have.

If it heads down this road (ie Hillary in the Oval Office) it will be another step to the old Russian Society.

Can someone actually tell me what's wrong with socialism?

Can someone actually tell me what's wrong with socialism?

IrresistibleB1tch said:

And that those who aren't "paying" taxes because they earn so little aren't paying them BECAUSE THEY DON'T EARN SHIT FOR A LIVING!. They aren't getting a free ride. The fact they aren't paying taxes does not mean they are living in the lap of luxury.

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[Edited 5/29/07 11:22am]

Lothan said:

It's the old school boogeyman that conservatives used to be able to rely on when we were in the cold war. Now with that war "won" the socialist boogeyman is looking less scary, especially to a population that sees their jobs being shipped overseas and a business class that increasingly has the ball in their court with little recourse for the average person.

Lothan said:

It's the old school boogeyman that conservatives used to be able to rely on when we were in the cold war. Now with that war "won" the socialist boogeyman is looking less scary, especially to a population that sees their jobs being shipped overseas and a business class that increasingly has the ball in their court with little recourse for the average person.

Lothan said:

nothing in my eyes.

i don't think it would ever realy work in reality, but i have nothing against it.

it just kind of blows my mind how much it still has a negative and sinister reputation like we are still in the 50s.