Conservatives, do you feel betrayed by Bush?

I was listening to talk radio (something I used to tease my dad about and now find myself doing daily), and I heard an avowed conservative ranting about Bush's betrayal of their cause. Passivity about the country's borders, friendliness toward illegal immigrants, little concern about poorer people, a wrongheaded war and a lack of concern for its veterans -- their reasons were legion.

Mind you, I'm an independent who was amazed in 1999 by then-presidential candidate George W. Bush's obvious lack of policy savviness or even scant familiarity with foreign countries' leaders. So, I knew our country would be messed up if he made it into office. His receipt of the Oval Office from the Supreme Court the following year and his supposed election to it in 2004 have done nothing to change my opinion of him as an utterly incompetent and apathetic leader who makes Ronald Reagan appear engaged and compassionate by comparison.

But, enough about me. How do you feel about the president, my conservative friends, some seven years later?

most conservatives that i know think Bush is NOT a conservative ... he is the worst type of Republican ... one that moved wayyy to the right to get the election ...

i myself was always skeptical of his "born again" thingy ...

when the runnup to Iraq started i remember it seemed EVERYONE was jumping on board ... and i was like ... "hey , hold on here , Iraq is a fucked up country with Shiites , Kurds and Sunni's that everyone seems to hate ..." ...

It reminded me of when Clinton went into the Yugoslavia thingy .... cus i thought that country was very complicated - albeit ... of course ... other argued to me - hey , clinton did a good job with the messy situation --- maybe now bush will do a better job !!??

I still do believe if Iraq can simmer down ... it could eventually be a great vacation spot(it has alot of riches that people do not know about ) , oil rich nation much like Saudi Arabia ...

SnidelyWhiplash said:

There have been some areas of disappointment for me.

I have been a consistent defender of the war, because I believe it is necessary, but I think that there are definite signs that this thing should have been orchestrated better.

That said, I don't think anybody else that was up for election would have done any better.

I don't agree with the whole "doesn't care for poor people" thing. Conservatives get ripped for their belief in how to leverage national resources, because on the whole it appears that we don't care. In reality, I think the tax cuts that have been given to small business owners is much more proactive in solving the countries problems then hashing those dollars to folks who are not applying themselves fully (yes I am asserting that ANYONE that decides to be successful can be).

That said, his approval of some of this ridiculous spending is nauseating.

I find it amusing that conservatives have, in the last year, begun the inevitable cry of "Bush is not a conservative!" Of COURSE he is a conservative. And he's the embodiment of all the reasons that conservativism fails every time.

You can already hear the neocons saying, "Bush is really a liberal! And he's a failure! Which means once again, liberalism has failed! So we have won! Yay for us!"

LMFAO.

On a sadder note, for some unknown reason my radio was tuned to Rush Limbaugh yesterday. He was using "I Would Die 4 U" as bumper music.

That just isn't right.

"Guitar" on Leno is the greatest performance in the history of rock ' roll

Second Funkiest White Man in America

It sure is nice having adults running our government now

seekingtruth said:

"Guitar" on Leno is the greatest performance in the history of rock ' roll

Second Funkiest White Man in America

It sure is nice having adults running our government now

Oh no, dont jump ship now for the next election to try clean the slate.

Republicans were in bed with everything this dumb fuck did. They rubber stamped everything!!

only on his lack of action again iran... wtf is he just going to let them kill Americans?

ElectricBlue said:

ElectricBlue said:

RodeoSchro said:

Bush has disappointed me on many fronts. Particularly on the security of our borders and immigration. He is not as conservative as I would like him to be or as I thought he was. He is not a liberal though. I don't feel betrayed, just disappointed that it appears he is more like his father than I thought.

RodeoSchro said:

RodeoSchro said:

SlamGlam said:

well BartVanHemelen thoes are good points.... and i agree we ought to bomb the heck out of thoes places too.

and i have not seen 3 minutes of fox in months. i think i watched it for that long when Smith died

SlamGlam said:

SlamGlam said:

demore said:

"Guitar" on Leno is the greatest performance in the history of rock ' roll

Second Funkiest White Man in America

It sure is nice having adults running our government now

I wish we could exhume Barry Goldwater and put him in office.

SnidelyWhiplash said:

I find it amusing that conservatives have, in the last year, begun the inevitable cry of "Bush is not a conservative!" Of COURSE he is a conservative. And he's the embodiment of all the reasons that conservativism fails every time.

i think u are naive in sayin that - the same Libs said Clinton is NOT a Lib ... he is a conservative Dem ...

"Guitar" on Leno is the greatest performance in the history of rock ' roll

Second Funkiest White Man in America

It sure is nice having adults running our government now

You have to understand that the terms "Conservative" and "Liberal" are invalid. You are you and that is fine. The basis for such political terminology is formed upon ideals that massive groups of other humans place as their chief values, and place them in the public arena as bait for others to take or not take. Just because one chooses one or the other does not make either one wrong to us or them. The only thing that matters is the interest of human life and the betterment of the lives of the human race.

The solution is easy. If it causes harm to the life force, it is not the correct path. As humans, we have to base our decisions on our own existence and humans cannot exist with continual death and struggle.

hmm errrm ... so u are saying u agree with Bush's words ...

And yes, in the long run (big picture, etc....) there really is only two choices: life or death, truth or lie, fact or fiction, etc. Choosing to better humanity and to help the human race survive is therefore the only main choice we have to make, and in doing so, it is positive.

Unfortunately, death and murders will happen, as will wars. Going to war is a hard decision, as with Hitler, he needed to be stopped. But the point is that if Hitler had not been funded and placed in the position of authority to start with, we would not have had to go to war in the first place. Had we opened up and really dug in with a policy of positivity, we could have prevented the Japanese threat before WW2 and made friends. There are ways to prevent war, but funding an unstable enemy to fight another unstable enemy is absolutely not the correct path. America and other nations have a history of doing that. Hegel was either wrong or misunderstood because Hegel and other philosophers like Nietzsche (and their adherents) did not take into consideration the ultimate survival of humanity as the primary mission OF humanity.

We have the technology now (and we will most definitely have it in the future) to isolate persons who are killing or causing harm to others WITHOUT actually killing the offenders themselves or surrounding innocent bystanders. This is possible, I know it is possible.

RodeoSchro said:

SnidelyWhiplash said:

i think u are naive in sayin that - the same Libs said Clinton is NOT a Lib ... he is a conservative Dem ...

LOL. The ONLY people who ever said Clinton was liberal were conservative talk radio hosts. Their one and only goal has been and continues to be the demonization of all Clintons, by any means possible.

Bush ran as a "Compassionate Conversative". His words.

Tremolina said:

RodeoSchro said:

LOL. The ONLY people who ever said Clinton was liberal were conservative talk radio hosts. Their one and only goal has been and continues to be the demonization of all Clintons, by any means possible.

Bush ran as a "Compassionate Conversative". His words.

Yes, but he usually lies when he speaks words, doesn't he?

I see Bush as a liberal conservative. In other words a conservative by name and words, but not by actions. I mean, he goes around the world fighting wars in the name of and justified by freedom. That's something only hardcore liberals have wet dreams about. Further, he is friendly to illegal immigrants and he doesnt take a tough stance against legalised abortion, gay marriage or other liberal ideals. In fact, when push came to shove his voters got very little to nothing, to the exact opposite of what they expected.

Stymie said:

Tremolina said:

Yes, but he usually lies when he speaks words, doesn't he?

I see Bush as a liberal conservative. In other words a conservative by name and words, but not by actions. I mean, he goes around the world fighting wars in the name of and justified by freedom. That's something only hardcore liberals have wet dreams about. Further, he is friendly to illegal immigrants and he doesnt take a tough stance against legalised abortion, gay marriage or other liberal ideals. In fact, when push came to shove his voters got very little to nothing, to the exact opposite of what they expected.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you: fighting wars in the name of freedom are not the wet dream of hardcore liberals. In my opinion, hardcore liberals are pacifist hippies and don't even believe in such a thing.

Tremolina said:

Stymie said:

I wholeheartedly disagree with you: fighting wars in the name of freedom are not the wet dream of hardcore liberals. In my opinion, hardcore liberals are pacifist hippies and don't even believe in such a thing.

And I respect your opinion, but wholeheartedly disagree!

Liberals are no hippies. They are stone cold politicans courting the hippie vote. And they have ideals that include spreading your liberalism and idea of freedom all over the world. The entire idea of fighting a war to "liberate" a country and install "democracy" is as liberal as it gets!

For the sake of all humanity!
(And themselves)

Stymie said:

Tremolina said:

And I respect your opinion, but wholeheartedly disagree!

Liberals are no hippies. They are stone cold politicans courting the hippie vote. And they have ideals that include spreading your liberalism and idea of freedom all over the world. The entire idea of fighting a war to "liberate" a country and install "democracy" is as liberal as it gets!

For the sake of all humanity!
(And themselves)

Don't you think you paint with too broad a stroke?

I am a liberal and I do not follow any of the above.