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GeorgeWBush

An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science

We've reached our goal of gathering 10,000 clergy signatures.

Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible – the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark – convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.

We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.


http://www.uwosh.edu/colleges/cols/religion_science_collaboration.htm
[Edited 7/18/06 5:30am]
The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology. - Michael Parenti
Reply #1 posted 07/18/06 2:50am

GeorgeWBush

this is clearly Anti-Christian and harshly biased against the Bible. a lame conspiracy and an attempt to discredit the Holy Scriptures and Christianity itself, performed by gay-marriage-supporting-shrimp-eating-terroists-supporting atehists
The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology. - Michael Parenti
Reply #2 posted 07/18/06 2:56am

GeorgeWBush

Atheists! stfu

Pastor James Aalgaard
St. Paul Lutheran Church
Ontario, OR

Pastor Wes Aardahl
Faith Lutheran Church (ELCA)
Bismarck, ND

The Rev. Charles L. Aaron, Jr., Ph.D.
Senior Pastor
Cornerstone United Methodist Church
Garland, TX

The Rev. Torben G. Aarsand
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Hagerstown, MD

The Rev. Pamela Abbey
United Methodist Church
Concord, CA

The Rev. Jesse Abbott
Good Shepherd Lutheran Church, ELCA
Cincinnati, OH

The Rev. Dr. Mark Abbott, Dean
Northwest Texas Conference
The United Methodist Church
In Missionary Service
Seminario Evangélico Unido de Teología
El Escorial, Spain
(US citizen)

The Rev. Jack Abel
Epworth: a United Methodist Church
Rehoboth Beach, DE

Norman B. Abell, MD, MPH, Retired
Commissioned Missionary to Congo (Zaire)
American Baptist Foreign Mission Society
Penney Farms, FL

The Rev. Dr. David E. Abernethy-Deppe
Faculty, Episcopal School for Deacons
Berkeley, CA
Interim Stewardship Officer
Episcopal Diocese of California
San Francisco, CA

The Rev. Mehdi Abhari
Duarte, CA

Tamara Abhari
Ordained Elder
Cuarte, CA

The Rev. Sue Abold
United Methodist/Hospital Chaplain
San Antonio, TX

The Rev. Dr. W. Robert Abstein
Nashville, TN

Pr. Howard Abts, Interim Pastor
Glenwood Lutheran Church
Toledo, OH

The Rev. Barbara A. Accord
Presbytery of West Virginia
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
Sutton, WV

The Rev. Walter Acevedo-Olivencia
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Sewickley, PA

The Rev. Merlin Ackerson
Keokuk, IA

The Rev. Lauren Ackland, Rector
Grace Church (Episcopal)
Madison, NJ

The Rev. Susan Ackley
Church of the Holy Spirit (Episcopal)
Plymouth, NH

The Rev. Marsha Acord, Associate Director Wesley Foundation
United Methodist
Iowa City, IA

The Rev. Debi Acree
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
Marietta, GA

Dr. James R. Adair, Jr.
Baptist University of the Americas
San Antonio, TX

The Rev. Charles Adami, Jr.
ELCA
Fleetwood, PA

The Rev. George Adamik
St. Paul’s Episcopal Church
Cary, NC

The Rev. Ann Clay Adams
PC(USA)
Columbia Theological Seminary
Decatur, GA

The Rev. Christopher Adams
Westminster Presbyterian Church
Bradenton, FL

The Rev. James R. Adams, President
The Center for Progressive Christianity
Cambridge, MA

The Rev. Jana Lee Adams
Colton Lutheran Church (ELCA)
Colton, OR

The Rev. Joanna Adams
Atlanta, GA

Lesley M. Adams, Chaplain
Hobart and William Smith Colleges
Geneva, NY

The Rev. Mendle Adams, Pastor
St. Peter’s United Church of Christ
Cincinnati, OH

The Most Rev. Michael Adams
Bishop Auxiliary, Diocese of the Midwest
Catholic Apostolic Church of Antioch
Fairfield, IA

The Rev. Michael K. Adams, Rector
All Saints' Episcopal Church
Austin, TX

Mindy Douglas Adams, Associate Pastor
University Presbyterian Church
Chapel Hill, NC

The Rev. Nancy Adams, BCC, Chaplain
UCC-CHC
United Church of Christ
Allentown, PA

The Rev. Neldon D. Adams, Pastor
Edgerton United Methodist Church
Edgerton, OH

The Rev. Robert Henry Adams, Pastor Retired
United Methodist Church
Wisconsin Conference
Madison, WI

The Rev. Janna Adamson
First United Methodist Church
Willows, CA

The Rev. Milton N. Adamson, CSC
Chaplain, St. Joseph's Hospital
Phoenix, AZ

The Rev. Dr. Duane L. Addison, Ph.D.
Pastor
Professor Emeritus of Religion
Augustana College
Sioux Falls, SD
Adjunct Professor of Religion
Augsburg College
Minneapolis, MN
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Fridley, MN

Michael J. Adee, M.Div., Ph.D., Elder
First Presbyterian Church
Santa Fe, NM

The Rev. Dr Arvid W. Adell, Ph. D., Retired
United Presbyterian Church USA
Roscoe, IL

The Rev. James W. Adelmann, Pastor
Garden City Community Church
United Church of Christ
Garden City, NY

Dr. David W. Adkins, Pastor
Starling Avenue Baptist
Martinsville, VA

The Rev. George H. Adkins
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
Elkhart, IN

John S. Adler, Pastor
Iona-Hope Episcopal Church
Fort Myers, FL

The Rev. Peter Aduba
Old Catholic Communion
Chaplain Resident, Hartford Hospital
Hartford, CT

The Rev. Julia Aegerter
Unitarian Universalist
Evansville, IN

The Rev. Dr. Hernan Afanador-Kafuri
The Hispanic Missioner
Epicopal Church of Alabama
Birmingham, AL

The Rev. Charles D. Ager, Retired
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Strawberry Point, IA

The Rev. Jacquelyn S. Ahern, Pastor
Laurel Trinity Lutheran Church
Jennerstown, PA

Pastor Valerian J. Ahles
ELCA
Atchison, KS

The Rev. Stephanie Ahlschwede, Pastor
Dietz United Methodist Church
Omaha NE

Albert R. Ahlstrom, Retired
ELCA Pastor
Kingston, NY

The Rev. Timothy C. Ahrens
Senior Minister
The First Congregational United Church of Christ
Columbus, OH

The Rev. Judith P. Ain
Emmaus Road Ministry
Episcopal Diocese of El Camino Real
Watsonville, CA

The Rev. Margaret Ainslie
Atonement Lutheran Church
Philadelphia, PA

The Rev. Clark S. Aist, Ph.D.
Mental Health Chaplain, Retired
Elder, United Methodist Church
Upper Marlboro, MD

Ellen B. Aitken
Associate Professor of Early Christian History and Literature
Faculty of Religious Studies
McGill University
Montreal, QC Canada
(US citizen)

Pastor Tom Aitken
First Lutheran Church
International Falls, MN

The Rev. Caryle Aitken Wilkie
PC (USA)
Lakehurst Presbyterian Church
Lakehurst, NJ

The Rev. Ray Akin, Ph.D.
Disciples of Christ
Hacienda Hts, CA

The Rev. James E. Akins
United Methodist
Hiawatha, KS

The Rev. Terri Akkerman
First Congregational United Church of Christ
Fremont, NE

The Rev. Frank J. Alagna, Ph.D., Vicar
Saint Margaret's Episcopal Church
Staatsburg, NY

The Rev. Piula E. Ala'ilima Wahiawa
United Methodist Church
Wahiawa, HI

The Rev. Jira Albers
Trinity Evangelical Lutheran Church (ELCA)
Towanda, PA

The Rev. Randele Albers
Shepherd of the Hills Lutheran Church
Dushore, PA

The Rev. Roy Alberswerth, Retired Minister
Redeemer United Church of Christ
Sussex, WI

The Rev. M. Lee Albertson
First Congregational United Church of Christ
Albuquerque, NM

The Rev. Wayne F. Albertson, Ph.D.
First United Methodist Church - Ada
Lecturer in Religion - Ohio Northern University
Ada, OH

The Rev. Robert L. Albin, Pastor
Zion Lutheran Church, ELCA
Hutchinson, KS

The Rev. Mary Albing
Lutheran Church of Christ the Redeemer
Minneapolis, MN

The Rev. Fred C. Albrecht, Retired
United Methodist
Otego, NY

The Rev. John L. Albright, Pastor
Alexandria Church of God (Anderson, IN)
Alexandria, IN

John V. Albright, Sr.
Retired United Methodist Minister
Sacramento, CA

The Rev. Dr. William A. Albright
Park Avenue Congregational Church, UCC
Arlington, MA

The Rev. Dr. Betsy Alden
Duke University
Durham, NC

The Rev. Ann Marie Alderman
Associate Minister
Unitarian Universalist Church of Jacksonville
Jacksonville, FL

The Rev. Roger Aldi
Center for Spiritual Living Houston
Church of Religious Science
Houston, TX

The Rev. Janet L. Aldrich, Chaplain
Presbyterian Homes
Evanston, IL

The Rev. Bob Alexander, RM, R. EEG T.
Alliance of Divine Love, Inc.
www.NeuroLogicalUniverse.net/
One.Truth@Earthlink.net
Sebring, FL

The Rev. Eugene R. Alexander, Pastor
Holy Spirit Lutheran Church
Eldersburg, MD

J. Gregory Alexander
Acting General Minister
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) In Kentucky
Lexington, KY

Katie Alexander
Associate Minister for Adults
University Christian Church
Fort Worth, TX

The Rev. Scott W. Alexander
Senior Minister
River Road Unitarian Church
Bethesda, MD

The Rev. Stephen G. Alexander, Retired
The Episcopal Church
Cincinnati, OH

Vernon P Alexander
Retired Presbyterian Minister
El Cerrito, CA

The Rev. Dr. Norman Alexandre
The Episcopal Church of the Redeemer
Okmulgee, OK

Renata B. Alexandre
United Methodist Church
Nashville, TN
The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology. - Michael Parenti
Reply #3 posted 07/18/06 2:58am

GeorgeWBush

more ignorant Atheists stfu


The Rev. Donald E. Bitsberger
Retired Priest
Episcopal Church
Bethesda, MD

The Rev. Patrice Bittner-Humphreys
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Amelia, VA

Gene Bixler, Pastor
Stony United Methodist Church
Stony, TX

The Rev. Armin C. Bizer, Retired
United Church of Christ
Venice, FL

The Rev. Paul A. Bizer, Senior Minister
Peace Dale Congregational United Church of Christ
Peace Dale, RI

Waldemar A. Bizer, Chaplain USAF, Retired
United Church of Christ
Austin, TX

Bishop Allan Bjornberg
Rocky Mountain Synod
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Denver, CO

The Rev. Geoffrey A. Black
Conference Minister
New York Conference United Church of Christ
E. Syracuse, NY

Dr. James R. Black
Jacksonville, FL

The Rev. Dr. Katharine C. Black
St. Augustine and St. Martin Episcopal Church
Boston, MA

The Rev. Dr. Kathleen Black
United Methodist Church
Claremont, CA

Lenny Eugene Black, High Priest
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Qualicum Beach, BC, Canada
(US citizen)

The Rev. Rebecca Black
St. Paul's Episcopal Church
Millis, MA

The Rev. Canon Elliot H. Blackburn
Belleville, IL

The Rev. Gerald J. Blackburn
Episcopal Church
Wilmington, NC

The Rev. Robert Blackburn
United Methodist Church
Berlin, WI

The Rev. Steven Blackburn, Ph.D.
Library Director and
Faculty Associate in Semitic Scriptures
Hartford Seminary
Hartford, CT

The Rev. LeAnn Blackert
American Baptist and United Church of Christ
San Leandro, CA

Pastor Jean Blackie
Moosic United Methodist Church
Moosic, PA

The Very Rev. Ralph Blackman, Dean
St. James Episcopal Cathedral
Chicago, IL

The Rev. Lisa R. Blackmonson, Pastor
Providence United Methodist Church
Suffolk, VA

The Rev. Bruce H. Blacknight
Universal Life Church
Marshall, NC

The Rev. David S. Blackshear
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Center Sandwich, NH

The Rev. Ross H. Blackstock
St Michael's Episcopal Church
Paonia, CO

The Rev. Steven R. Blackstock
Associate Pastor
Memorial Presbyterian Church
Appleton, WI

The Rev. Rebecca M. Blackwell
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Reseda, CA

The Rev. Ronald Terry Blade
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Hampton, VA

The Rev. Dr. Gary Blaine, Senior Minister
First Unitarian Church of Toledo
Toledo, OH

The Rev. Ann S. Blair
Morris United Methodist Church
Morris, NY

The Rev. Christine E. Blair, Ph.D.
Presbyterian Church, USA
American Church in Paris
Paris, France
(US citizen)

The Rev. Deborah Blair
Presbyterian Church (USA)
The Dalles, OR

The Rev. Ed Blair
Mount Cross Lutheran Church
Payson, AZ

The Rev. Paige Blair, Rector
St. George's Episcopal Church
York Harbor, ME

Dr. William E. Blake, Jr., Interim Minister
Bethany Christian Church
(Disciples of Christ) and
Professor Emeritus of European History
Virginia Commonwealth University
Richmond, VA

The Rev. Charles E. Blakely
Minister-at-Large
Foothills Presbytery (PC[USA])
Adjunct Faculty
Presbyterian College
Pelzer, SC

Dr. Clancy Blakemore, Retired
Visalia Church of Religious Science
Visalia, CA

The Rev. Josh Blakesley, Associate Pastor
Community Church of Honolulu
United Church of Christ
Honolulu, HI

The Rev. Raymond L. Blakley, Ph.D., D.Sc.
Iona Hope Episcopal Church
Fort Myers, FL

Dallas A. Blanchard, Ph.D., Minister
The United Methodist Church and
Professor Emeritus
University of West Florida
Pensacola, FL

The Rev. Dr. Judith H. Blanchard
United Church of Christ
Protestant Chaplain
Maine Medical Center
Portland, ME

The Rev. Doug Bland
Community Christian Church (DOC)
Tempe, AZ

The Rev. Dr. Robert W. Blaney
Professor Emeritus
Religious Studies Department
University of the Pacific
Stockton, CA
Retired UMC Pastor
Aptos, CA

The Rev. David M. Blank, Chaplain
Lutheran Care Ministries Network
Clinton, NY

The Rev. Aaron D. Blankenhorn
Associate Pastor
Trinity English Lutheran Church
Fort Wayne, IN

The Rev. Pam Blankenship
Minister to Students and Families
St Paul's Waccamaw UMC
Pawleys Island, SC

The Rev. Calvin L. Blankinship, Jr., Pastor
Corpus Christi Roman Catholic Church
Fruitland, ID

The Rev. Joseph Blankinship, Pastor
Forest Hills Presbyterian Church
High Point, NC

The Rev. Daryl M. Blanksma
United Methodist Church
Seaside, OR

The Rev. Dr. Georjean Blanton
United Methodist Pastor
Director, PathWays
A Ministry of Spiritual Direction and Guidance
Dallas, TX

The Rev. Kathy Jo Blaske
Reformed Church in America
Tappan, NY

The Rev. Nils Blatz
The Church of the Redeemer (Episcopal)
Mattituck, NY

The Rev. Dr. Jesse W. Bledsoe
Buffalo, NY

The Rev. Kathleen A. Bleyaert, Pastor
St. John's United Church of Christ
Waukegan, IL

The Rev. Donald K. Bleyle
United Methodist Clergy
Lakewood, CO

The Rev. Cliff Blinman
Tucson, AZ

The Rev. John Blinn
Retired United Methodist Pastor
Pueblo, CO

The Rev. John Bliss
Retired Episcopal Priest
Diocese of California
Westport, CT

The Rev. Bruce D. Blois, Rector
St. John's Episcopal Church
Keokuk, IA

Bishop Paul J. Blom
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Houston, TX

The Rev. Adam Blons
United Church of Christ
1st Congregational Church
Berkeley, CA

The Rev. Dr. Karen Bloomquist
Director for Theology and Studies
The Lutheran World Federation
Geneva, Switzerland
(US citizen)

The Rev. Barbara K. Bloxsom
Epiphany Episcopal Church
Sedan, KS

The Rev. Susan N. Blue, Rector
St. Margaret's Episcopal Church
Washington, DC

Paul Blume
Hanover Presbyterian Church
Hanover, IN

The Rev. Benjamin E. Blumel
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
Carrollton, OH

The Rev. Roy Blumhorst
Pastor Emeritus
St. Philip's Lutheran Church
Carmel, CA

The Rev. Kenneth C. Blyth
St. Mark's Lutheran Church (ELCA)
Baldwinsville, NY

The Rev. Wayne T. Blythe
Alliance of Baptists
Chesapeake, VA

The Rev. Emmanuel Kofi Boakye-Yiadom
Pastor
Hunter's Chapel United Methodist Church &
Ghana United Methodist Community Church
Charlotte, NC

The Rev. Thomas Boates, Retired
United Church of Christ
Foxborough, MA

The Rev. Angela Boatright
The Episcopal Diocese of New York
Spring Valley, NY

The Rev. Dr. Donald Bobb
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Austin, TX

The Rev. Luke Bocher, Pastor
First Congregational United Church of Christ
New London, WI

The Rev. Bonita Bock
Wartburg College West, Titled Faculty
Denver, CO

The Rev. Joseph M. Bocko, Ph.D.
Reformation Evangelical Lutheran Church
Chicago, IL

The Rev. Canon Ian L. Bockus
Episcopalian
Prospect, ME

The Rev. Glynden Bode
United Methodist Church
Houston, TX

The Rev. Dr. Alison L. Boden
Dean, Rockefeller Memorial Chapel
The University of Chicago
Chicago, IL

Paul J. Bodin, Pastor
Emanuel Lutheran Church
Modesto, CA

The Rev. J. Jermain Bodine, Ph.D.
United Church of Warner (UCC, ABC)
Warner, NH

The Rev. Willem Bodisco Massink
Retired Presbeterian Pastor (PCUSA)
Deposit, NY

The Rev. Dwight J. Boe
ELCA
Boulder, CO

The Rev. Suzi Boeglin
Parents and Children Together, Inc. Arlington, TX

The Rev. Tim Boeglin, Pastor
Smithfield UMC
Fort Worth, TX

The Rev. Dr. Peter D. Boehringer
Zion Lutheran Church
Pittsfield, MA

The Rev. Gary Boen
First Lutheran Church - ELCA
Clarion, IA

Emery Boepple, Assistant Pastor
United Churches Fellowship-UCC
Nogales, AZ

Kerry Boese, Pastor
Zion-Kenneth Lutheran Churches
Adrian and Kenneth, MN

The Rev. J. Ronald Bogart, Retired
The United Methodist Church
Bloomington, IL

The Rev. Dr. William E. Bogholtz, Pastor
Our Saviour Lutheran Church
Staten Island, NY

The Rev. Benjamin P. Bogia, Ph.D., Retired
Presbyterian (USA)
Princess Anne, MD

The Rev. Ron A. Bohannon
Willow Street United Church of Christ
Lampeter Church of the Brethren
Lancaster, PA

Pastor Kent Bohls
Gethsemane Lutheran
Austin, TX

Pastor Robert Karl Bohm
E. L. C. A.
Fort Valley, VA

The Rev. Benjamin Bohnsack, Senior Pastor
Nardin Park United Methodist Church
Farmington Hills, MI

Dr. Ben Bohren
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
San Francisco, CA

The Rev. Beverly M. Boke
First Universalist Society of Hartland
Unitarian Universalist
Hartland Four Corners, VT

Deacon Charles A. Boland
The Episcopal Church of Our Saviour
Rock Hill, SC

The Rev. James E. Boler, Associate Minister
United Church of Christ
Sanibel, FL

Sandra R. Boler, Associate Minister
Sanibel Congregational United Church of Christ
Sanibel Island, FL

The Rev. Jan Bolerjack
Fall City United Methodist Church
Fall City, WA

The Rev. Judith D. Boli, Rector
St. Paul's Episcopal Church
Saginaw, MI

The Rev. William E. Bolin
Walkersville, MD

The Rev. Stephen M. Bolle
Associate Rector
St. Michael's Church
New York, NY

The Rev. Anne E. Bolles-Beaven
Episcopal Diocese of Newark
Maplewood, NJ

The Rev. Glenn E. Bollinger
Beaver Creek Church of the Brethren
Bridgewater, VA

The Rev. Richard A. Bollinger, D.Min.
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Littleton, CO

Mark S. Bollwinkel, Senior Pastor
Los Altos UMC
Los Altos, CA

The Rev. Russell A. Bolm, Retired Pastor
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Bertrand, NE

Jonathan Bolte, Lay Minister
St. Agnes Catholic Church
Nashville, IN

The Rev. Matthew Bolz-Weber, Pastor
Bethlehem Lutheran Church
Longmont, CO

The Rev. Herbert L. Bomberger, DCSW, LCSW, Retired
United Church of Christ
Dillsburg, PA

Pastor Charles R. Bomgren, Retired
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Issaquah, WA

The Rev. Alan B. Bond, Pastor Emeritus
The Federated Church of Rochester
Rochester, VT

The Rev. Dr. Barbara L. Bond, Rector
St. Paul's Episcopal Church
Lock Haven, PA

Dr. H. Lawrence Bond
United Methodist Church
Boone, NC

The Rev. W. Douglas Bond
Episcopal Diocese of Massachusetts
Cambridge, MA

The Rev. Dr. Michael H. Bone
The Community Church of Durham, NH (UCC)
Nashua, NH

The Rev. Michael E. Bongart, Pastor
First United Presbyterian Church (USA)
Mingo Junction, OH

The Rev Juliet Bongfeldt, Pastor
Lutheran Church of the Good Shepherd
Kingston, RI

The Rev. Jonathan J. Bonk, Ph.D.
Executive Director
Overseas Ministries Study Center
Editor, International Bulletin of Missionary Research
Project Director,
Dictionary of African Christian Biography
New Haven, CT

The Rev. Normand Bonneau, OMI
Dean, Faculty of Theology
Saint Paul University
Ottawa, ON Canada
(US citizen)

Dr. Dan Bonner
United Methodist Elder
President and Senior Strategist
The Center for Urban Congregational Renewal
Georgetown, TX

The Rev. Timothy D. Bonney
First Baptist Church
American Baptist Churches, USA
Des Moines, IA

The Rev. Anne B. Bonnyman
Trinity Episcopal Parish
Wilmington, DE

The Rev. Deacon Susan Bonsteel
The Episcopal Church of Christ the King
Stone Ridge, NY

The Rev. James K. Boodley
United Church of Christ
Wells College
Aurora, NY

The Rev. Charles Booker-Hirsch, Pastor
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Northside Presbyterian Church
Ann Arbor, MI

Dr. Thomas E. Boomershine
G. Ernest Thomas Distinguished Professor of Christianity and Communication
Professor of New Testament
United Theological Seminary
Dayton, OH

The Rev. Rawley Boone
First Presbyterian Church
Sidney, OH

The Rev. Stacy Boorn
Ebenezer Lutheran Church
San Francisco, CA

The Rev. Larry L. Booth
United Church of Christ
Interim, Presbytery of Northern Kansas
Colby, KS

The Rev. Dr. Sherre L. Boothman
MCC Austin
Austin, TX

The Rev. Patrick W. Boots
Retired ELCA clergy
Cortez, CO

The Rev. Alcena Boozer
St. Philip the Deacon Episcopal Church
Portland, OR

The Rev. Henry Borchardt, Retired
PC(USA)
Pontiac, MI

The Rev. Judy Borchardt, Retired
PC(USA)
Pontiac, MI

The Rev. Robert Suydam Borden
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Keene, NH

Father Lou A. Bordisso, OC, EdD
San Francisco, CA

The Rev. Kenneth E. Bordner, Rector
St. Stephen's Episcopal Church
Rochester, NY

Deacon Phina Borgeson
Holy Family Episcopal Church.
Rohnert Park, CA

The Rev. Dr. David Borglum
Alameda, CA

The Rev. Richard Borgstrom, Retired
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Woodbury, MN

The Rev. Fr. Mel Borham, O.F.C.
New Church Inclusive Anglican Reform
Troy, NY

The Rev. James D. (Danny) Borkowski, D. Min.
St. Andrew's Anglican Church
Riberas del Pilar, Chapala,
Jalisco 45900 Mexico
(US citizen)

Thomas P. Borland, Pastor
Faith Presbyterian Church
Presbyterian Church U.S.A.
Tallahassee, FL

The Right Rev. Frederick H. Borsch, Ph.D. Retired Episcopal Bishop of Los Angeles
Professor of New Testament and
Chair of Anglican Studies
Lutheran Theological Seminary at Philadelphia
Philadelphia, PA

The Rev. Glenn L. Borreson, Admin. Pastor
Holmen Lutheran Church
Holmen, WI

The Rev. Dr. Audrey Borschel, Pastor
Central Christian Church
Christian Church (Disicples of Christ)
Anderson, IN

Deacon John E. Bortz, Sr.
St. Mary Catholic Church
Chelmsford, MA

The Rev. Mark Bosco, S.J.
Assistant Professor of Theology
Loyola University Chicago
Chicago, IL

The Rev. Ruth Bosch Becker
ELCA
Pittsburgh, PA

Dennis Bosley
Episcopal Church
Sweetwater, TX

Chaplain Michael Bostian, D. Min., BCC
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
New Bern, NC

Frank M. Bostick
Retired United Methodist Minister
Maryville, TN

The Rev. Eric Bostrom
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Ceresco, Ithaca, and Davey, NE

The Rev. Dr.Kathleen Bostrom
Wildwood Presbyterian Church
Wildwood, IL

The Rev. Rhonda Bostrom
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Ceresco, Ithaca, and Davey, NE

The Rev. James Boswell, Pastor
Bellflower Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
Bellflower, IL

The Rev. Mary Gene Boteler
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Zanesville, OH

The Rev. Joan J. Bott
Trinity Congregational Church
Fitchburg, MA

The Rev. Robert R. Bottoms, D.Min.
United Church of Christ
Belleveu, OH

The Rev. Dr. Bruce P. Bouchard
Grace United Church of Christ
Hanover, PA

George R. Boudreau, O.P.
Assistant Professor of Hebrew Scriptures Aquinas Institute of Theology
St. Louis, MO

The Most Rev. Dr. Lorraine J. Bouffard
Bishop
Diocese of Connecticut
American Ecumenical Catholic Church
Hartford, CT

The Rev. Dorothy L. Boulton
PC(U.S.A.)
Catonsville Presbyterian Church
Catonsville, MD

Matthew Myer Boulton, Pastor
Hope Church (UCC and DOC)
Jamaica Plain, MA


Walter R. Bouman
Emeritus Professor of Systematic Theology
Trinity Lutheran Seminary
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Columbus, OH

The Rev. Shawna Renee Bound
Church of the Nazarene
Kansas City, MO

The Rev. Eugene Boutilier, Pastor
Mentone Congregational United Church of Christ
Claremont, CA

The Rev. Ramona S. Bouzard
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Campus Ministry
Wartburg College
Waverly, IA

The Rev. Dr. Walter C. Bouzard
Department of Religion and Philosophy
Wartburg College
Waverly, IA

James E. Bowden, Pastor
Covenant Presbyterian Church
Athens, GA

The Rev. John A. Bowe
Presbyterian
Lancaster, PA

The Rev. Emily S. Bowen
Brentwood Christian Church
Springfield, MO

The Rev. Canon George H. Bowen
Retired Episcopal Priest
Rutherford, NJ

The Rev. Deacon Polly M. Bowen
Episcopal Diocese of Western New York
East Aurora, NY

The Rev. Dr. Starr Bowen, Ph.D., Pastor
St. Paul United Methodist Church and
Director, Cleburne Hispanic Ministries
Cleburne, TX

The Rev. John A. Bower
St. Simon of Cyrene Episcopal Church
Cincinnati, OH

The Very Rev. Richard A. Bower, Dean Emeritus
St Paul's Cathedral
Syracuse, NY
Ludlow, VT

The Rev. Ellis T. Bowerfind, Rector
St. Luke’s Episcopal Church
Alexandria, VA

The Rev. Benjamin J. Bowers
Associate Pastor for Youth and Families
Jamestown United Methodist
Jamestown, NC

The Rev. James W. Bowers, Ph.D.
Easton, PA

Robert D. Bowers
United Methodist - Retired
Lacey, WA

David B. Bowie, D.Min., Pastor
Rice Memorial Presbyterian Church
Atlanta, GA

The Rev. Howard B. Bowlin, Rector
St. Matthew's Episcopal Church
Bloomington, IL

The Rev. Robert H. Bowlin
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Moline, IL

The Rev. Dr. Christopher Bowman
Church of the Brethren
Vienna, VA

The Rev. Cindy Bowman, Co-Pastor
First Presbyterian Church
Freehold, NJ

The Rev. David F. Bowman, Co-Pastor
First Presbyterian Church
Freehold, NJ

The Rev. Dr. Lee W. Bowman
First Presbyterian Church
Lexington, KY

The Most Rev. Dr. Robert M. Bowman
Presiding Archbishop
United Catholic Church
Melbourne, FL

The Rev. Shirley Mae Bowman
An Open Door Ministry
Phoenix, AZ

The Rev. Sue Bowman
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
Greenfield, MA

The Rev. Bonnie Boyce, Minister
Shalom Presbyterian Church USA
Fort Atkinson, WI

The Rev. Bruce Boyce, Retired
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
White Bear Lake, MN

The Rev. Peggi K. Boyce, Pastor
First Presbyterian Church of Antrim
Antrim, NH

The Rev. Barbara S. Boyd
Director of Outreach for Religious Studies
University of Oklahoma
Presbyterian Church U.S.A
Norman, OK

The Rev. Tom W. Boyd
David Ross Boyd Professor Emeritus of Philosophy and Professor of Religious Studies
University of Oklahoma
Presbyterian Church U.S.A
Norman, OK

The Rev. Winton Boyd
Orchard Ridge United Church of Christ
Madison, WI

The Rev. Dr. Barry C. Boyer
First Presbyterian Church
Chippewa Falls, WI

The Rev. Dr. Bryan Boyer
Church of the Brethren
Claremont, CA

The Rev. Dr. Geoffrey T. Boyer, Rector
St. Philip's Episcopal Church
Rochester, M

Father John Paul Boyer, M.Div., M.A. (Oxon.)
Rector, St David's Episcopal Church
Bishop's Theologian, The Diocese of Western New York (Episcopal Church)
West Seneca, NY

M. Christopher Boyer, Pastor
Good Shepherd Baptist Church
Lynnwood, WA

The Rev. William A. Boyer, Retired
United Church of Christ
St. Clairesville, OH

Pastor Kathleen Boyer-Visser
Gilead Lutheran Church (ELCA)
Brunswick, NY

The Rev. Monsignor Eugene J. Boyle
Roman Catholic Diocese of San Jose in California
Palo Alto, CA

The Rev. George Anne Boyle
St. Thomas Episcopal Church
Medina, WA

The Rev. Marian Boyle
Moravian Church in North America
Cinnaminson, NJ

William P. Boyle
Retired Presbyterian Minister, Former Missionary and Pastoral Counselor
Black Mountain, NC

Mark Bozzuti-Jones, Interim Priest
Christ Church
Cambridge, MA

The Rev. Conrad A. Braaten, Senior Pastor
Lutheran Church of the Reformation (ELCA)
Washington, DC

The Rev. Dale Bracey
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
Sunnyvale, CA

The Rev. Joseph A. Bracken, S.J.
Retired Professor of Theology
Xavier University
Cincinnati, OH

The Rev. Thomas Brackett
St. George’s Episcopal Church
Asheville, NC

The Rev. Netha N. Brada, Priest-in-Charge
St. Matthew's-by-the-bridge Episcopal Church
Iowa Falls IA

The Rev. Paul D. Braden
Salem Lutheran Church
Bethlehem, PA

The Rev. Betty J. Bradford
United Methodist Church
Denver, CO

The Rev. Dr. Larry Bradford
Caledonia, MI

H. Cornell Bradley, S.J.
Roman Catholic Campus Minister
Saint Joseph's University
Philadelphia, PA

The Rev. Dr. James Bradley, Rector
St. John's Episcopal Church
Waterbury, CT

The Rev. Joseph W. Bradley, MDiv.
Clinical Chaplain
Mercy Medical Center
Springfield, MA

The Rev. Raymond H. Bradley, Jr.
First Congregational Church of Warwick
United Church of Christ
Warwick, RI

The Rev. Kenneth R. Bradsell
Director of Operations and Support/Assistant Secretary
The Reformed Church in America
New York, NY

The Rev. Henry H. Bradshaw, Retired Pastor
First Congregational United Church of Christ
Rapid City, SD

The Rev. Ruth Wagner Bradshaw, Pastor
Shoreham Congregational United Church of Christ
Shoreham, VT

The Rev. Linda Christine Brady
United Church of Christ
Phoenix, AZ

The Rev. Diane W. Bragg, Rector
St. David's Episcopal Church
Salem, NH

The. Rev. David S. Brague
The Second Presbyterian Church PC(USA)
Pittston, PA

The Rev. Gerry Brague
Chalice Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
San Carlos, CA

The Rev. Judith Brain, Pastor
Pilgrim United Church of Christ
Lexington, MA

The Rev. Karrie Brain-Marsh
Presbyterian Church USA
Portland, OR

The Rev. Lyn G. Brakeman
Episcopla priest, Pastoral Counselor and Spiritual Director
Gloucester, MA

The Rev. Cathie Fisher Braman, Pastor
Fredericksburg Congregational Church, UCC
Frederickbsurg, VA

The Rev. Walter R. Braman, Interim Pastor
Unitarian Universalist Church of Lancaster PA
Lancaster, PA

The Rev. Dr. W. W. Branch, Jr., General Presbyter
Presbytery of Arkansas
Little Rock, AR

Dale Brand
Gethsemane Lutheran Church
San Antonio, TX

Dr. George H. Brand
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA)
Leonia, NJ

Rick Brand, Pastor
First Presbyterian Church of Henderson, NC
Henderson, NC

The Rev. Arthur Brandenburg, Retired
Philadelphia PA

The Rev. Marilyn Brandenburg
Bainbridge Island, WA

Pat Brandenburg, Elder
Southside Presbyterian Church
Tucson, AZ

Pastor Fred Brandenfels
Disciples of Christ
Eugene, OR

The Rev. James F. Brandis STM,BCC
Corporate Chaplain
Shepherd of the Valley
Niles, OH

The Rev. Ruth M. Brandon
United Church of Christ, 2nd Congregational
Westfield, MA

Arlan H. Brandt, Retired
ELCA
Safety Harbor, FL

The Rev. Brian E. Brandt, Ph.D.
Central Lutheran Church - ELCA
Portland, OR

The Rev. Joel Brandt, Pastor
Holy Trinity Lutheran Church ELCA
Livonia, MI and
Assistant Professor of Pastoral Ministry
Ecumenical Theological Seminary
Detroit, MI

The Rev. Dr. K. Edward Brandt
Red Clay Creek Presbyterian Church
Wilmington, DE

Pastor Samuel Brannon
St. Andrew Lutheran Church
Sand Springs, OK

Raymond P. Branstiter, Pastor
Tri-County Ministry
Trinity Lutheran Church (ELCA)
Cooperstown, ND

Cornelius F. Brantley, Jr., Pastor
Table Rock Charge United Methodist Church
Morganton, NC

The Rev. Lowery M. Brantley, Senior Pastor
Wesley Monumental United Methodist Church
Savannah, GA

The Rev. Dr. Robert L. Brashear, Pastor
West-Park Presbyterian Church
New York, NY

The Rev. Wayne H. Brass
Park United Church of Christ
Toledo, OH

The Rev. James Brassard, Pastor
Christian Community Presbyterian Church
Bowie, MD

The Rev. Morris H. Bratton
Retired Methodist Clergy
Kingsland, TX

Sister Claudia Rae Braun
Chaplain
Jerome, ID

The Rev. David Braun
United Methodist Church
Bellevue, WA

The Rev. Kay Braun
St. Petri-Hope Lutheran
Philadelphia, PA

The Rev. Arnd Braun-Storck
Zion Lutheran Church
Jersey City, NJ

The Rev. Dr. Bob Brauninger
United Church of Christ
Burwell, NE

Robert L. Brawley
Presbyterian Church USA
Albert G. McGaw Professor of New Testament
McCormick Theological Seminary
Chicago, IL

The Rev. Dr. Beth Braxton
Burke Presbyterian Church
Burke, VA

Pastor Alan Bray
First Lutheran Church
St. Peter, MN

The Rev. Bradford Nelson Bray
All Saints Lutheran Church, E.L.C.A.
Lees Summit, MO

The Rev. Rosemary Bray McNatt
Fourth Universalist Society
Unitarian Universalist
New York, NY

The Rev. Susan Brecht
Community Church of Atascadero
United Church of Christ
Atascadero, CA

The Rev. Elaine H. Breckenridge, Rector
St. David's Episcopal Church
Spokane, WA

J. Hollis Bredeweg, MDiv, MA
Ordained Standing in the UCC
Spokane, WA

The Rev. Peter Bredlau
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Allentown, PA

The Rev. Dr. Donald Bredthauer
United Methodist
Omaha, NE

The Rev. Cindy Ford Breed, M.Div., BCC
ELCA Chaplain - Lutheran Chaplaincy Outreach
University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics
Iowa City, IA

The Rev. Mary Schrom Breese
Director of Resident Services
The Living Community of St. Joseph
St. Joseph, MO

The Rev. Sidney S. Breese
Episcopal/Anglican
Christ Episcopal Church
St. Joseph, MO

Carolyn Breihan, Deacon
Los Altos United Methodist Church
Long Beach, CA

The Rev. Robert E. Breihan
Retired United Methodist Clergy
Staff of New Life Institute Counseling Center
Austin, TX

The Rev. Blake Breitenhirt
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
Saint Simons Island, GA

The Rev. Diane B. Brelsford
Episcopal Diocese of Olympia
Seattle, WA

The Rev. Dr. Rolf V. Brende, D. Min., B.C.C.
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Director of Pastoral Care
North Colorado Medical Center
Banner Health
Greeley, CO

The Rev. Robert G. Brennan, Jr.
Mt. Nebo United Methodist Church
Boonsboro, MD

The Rev. Michael J. Brenneis, Ph.D., Priest
The Episcopal Diocese of Virginia
Assistant Professor of Pastoral Care and
Counseling
Earlham School of Religion
Richmond, IN

The Rev. Jeannine Brenner
Conestoga United Methodist Church
Conestoga, PA

The Rev. Thomas Brenner, Chaplain
United Church of Christ/Florida Conference
Cape Coral, FL

The Rev. Kathryn Brenson
Unity Church of Modesto
Modesto, CA

The Rev. James C. Bresnahan, Retired
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Manlius, NY

The Rev. Linda K. Brewer, Chaplain
Community Nursing Services Hospice
Salt Lake City, UT

The Rev. Richard F. Brewer
Episcopalian
Brooklyn, NY

The Rev. Deacon Helen L. Brewster
St. Aidan's Episcopal Church
Ann Arbor, MI

The Rev. Roy Brewton, Retired
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Wilmington, NC

The Rev. Steven P. Brey, Ph.D.
The United Methodist Church
Assistant Professor of Religion and Chair
Department of Philosophy and Religion
Methodist College
Fayetteville, NC

The Rev. Loranell R Breyley
Evangelical Lutheran Church In America
Portage, MI

The Rev. Elizabeth Brick
St. Andrew's United Methodist Church
Sacramento, CA

The Rev. James Park Bricker
Trinity Lutheran Church
McAlisterville, PA

The Rev. Larry Brickner-Wood
United Church of Christ
Chaplain and Executive Director
The United Campus Ministry to UNH
Durham, NH

Valerie Bridgeman Davis, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Homiletics and Worship
Instructor, Hebrew Bible
Memphis Theological Seminary
Memphis, TN

The Rev. Jim Bridges, Minister
Unitarian Universalist Congregation at Rock Tavern
Rock Tavern, NY

The Rev. Penelope M. Bridges, Rector
St Francis Episcopal Church
Great Falls, VA

The Rev. Peter W. Bridgford
Retired Episcopal Priest
Buffalo, NY

The Rev. Richard O. Bridgford
Episcopal Priest
Rector, Church of the Epiphany
Norfolk, VA

Pastor Don R. Bridinger
First Lutheran Church
Findlay, OH

Pastor Nicholas Brie
Trinity Evangelical Lutheran Church (ELCA)
Taneytown, MD

The Rev. Jeff Briere
UU Church of Chattanooga
Chattanooga, TN

Pastor Cal Briggs-Harris
Faith UMC
S. Burlington VT

The Rev. Richard D. Brigham, Rector
St. Andrew's In-the-Pines Episcopal Church
Peachtree City, GA

The Rev. A. Allen Brindisi
Davidson College Presbyterian Church
Davidson, NC

The Rev. Blake E. Brinegar
Presbyterian Chuch (USA)
Crockett, TX

The Rev. James Briney
United Church of Christ
Medford, WI

The Rev. Carol A. Brink
United Church of Christ
Wrentham, MA

The Rev. Nancy E. Brink
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
Omaha, NE

The Rev. Henry C. Brinker
United Church of Christ
Detroit Metropolitan Association
Detroit, MI

The Rev. W. Paul Brinkman, Pastor
Emmanuel Lutheran Church
Seymour, WI

Mark R. Brinkmann, Rector
St. James Episcopal Church
Midvale, UT

The Rev. Henry G. Brinton, Senior Pastor
Fairfax Presbyterian Church
Fairfax, VA

The Rev. Elizabeth Brishcar
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Winchester, VA

H. Cowles Bristol, III
Statesville, NC

Dr. Thomas Ray Bristol, Retired
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
Garland, TX

Dr. John Temple Bristow
Country Homes Christian Church
Disciples of Christ
Spokane, WA

The Rev. Donald E. Britt
1st Congregational Church, United Church of Christ
Princeton, MN

The Rev. Benjamin Broadbent
First Congregational United Church of Christ
Colorado Springs, CO

The Rev. W. Matthew Broadbent
Foothills Congregational Church
United Church of Christ
Los Altos, CA

Arthur G. Broadhurst
Ordained Minister
United Church of Christ
Orange Park, FL

The Rev. Collette Broady Preiss
Bethlehem Evangelical Lutheran Church
Chicago, IL

The Rev. Helen Brock
China Spring, TX

The Rev. Lillie Brock
Regional Elder
Metropolitan Community Churches
Farmers Branch, TX

The Rev. Theodore L. Brock
Retired United Methodist Minsiter
Escondido, CA

Pastor Frank Brocker, Retired
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Sunriver, OR

The Rev. Janet Roberge Brocklesby
St. Andrew's Episcopal Church
Lincoln Park, NJ

The Rev. Bennett A. Brockman, Ph.D., Rector
St. Paul's Episcopal Church
Fairfield, CT

The Rev. Allan Brockway, PhD, Retired
United Methodist Church
St. Petersburg, FL

Fr. Jerry Brohl, OCF
Franciscan Priest
United Catholic Church
Wyandotte, MI

The Rev. Robert Brohm
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
El Granada, CA

The Rev. Louise Brokaw
Presbyterian Church (USA)
General Presbyter
Presbytery of Lake Huron
Saginaw, MI

The Rev. Prof. Harold R. Bronk, Jr.
Interim Rector
St. Eustace Church
Lake Placid, NY
and retired professor of Philosophy and Study of Religion
University of Massachusetts, Boston
Boston, MA

The Rev. Dr. James A. Bronwell
Interim Pastor
Union Congregational Church
(The United Church of Christ)
Groton, MA

The Rev. James E. Brooking
West Kauai United Methodist Church
Kekaha, HI

The Rev. Brad Brookins
Zwingli United Church of Christ
Mt. Vernon, WI

The Rev. David M. Brookman, Ph.D., Pastor
First Presbyterian Church
Princeton, IN

The Rev. Jennifer J.S. Brooks
Second Congregational Meeting House Society
Unitarian Universalist ("South Church")
Nantucket, MA

The Rev. Jerry Brooks, Priest-in-Charge
Christ Episcopal Church
Marlboro, NY

Dr. Joe W. B. Brooks, Interim Pastor
First Presbyterian Church
Rock Hill, SC

Pastor Julie Brooks
ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America)
Erie, CO

Fr. Richard S. Brooks
Episcopal Church of the Epiphany
Concordia, KS

The Rev. Robert T. Brooks
Grace Episcopal Church
Providence, RI

The Rev. Roger Brooks
Plymouth United Church of Christ
Milwaukee, WI

Terry L. Brooks
Coordinator for Reference and Referral
Cooperative Baptist Fellowship of SC
Columbia, SC

The Rev. Dr. James Brooks-McDonald
St. Stephen's Episcopal Church
Schenectady, NY

The Rev. Viki Brooks-McDonald
Campus Protestant Minister and Interfaith Chaplain
Union College
Schenectady, NY

The Rev. Steven E. Broome, Pastor
Our Redeemer Lutheran Church (ELCA)
McMurray, PA

The Very Rev. Dr. Ann J. Broomell, Dean
Trinity Episcopal Cathedral
Easton, MD

The Rev. Dr. James Brooks-McDonald
St. Stephen’s Episcopal Church
Schenectady, NY

The Rev. Helen Weston Bross
Associate Pastor
Evangelical Congregational Church, UCC
Westborough, MA

The Rev. Mary Louise Broucht
Episcopal Deacon
Lancaster, PA

The Rev. Byron E. Brought
Friendship United Methodist Church
Friendship, MD

Byron P. Brought, Senior Pastor
Calvary United Methodist Church
Annapolis, MD

The Rev. Warren L. Broughton, Pastor
Trinity Lutheran Church, ELCA
Laporte, MN

Dennis Brovold
Retired Pastor of the ELCA
Bemidji, MN

The Rev. Donald M. Brower, Retired
Presbyterian Church U.S.A.
Holland, MI

The Rev. A. Michael Brown
Presbyterian Church(USA)
Vancouver, WA

Alan S. Brown, Retired Clergy
United Methodist Church
Lancaster, PA

The Rev. Clark M. Brown, Pastor
St. Timothy Lutheran Church
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Monterey, CA

Pastor Dale D. Brown, Retired
Battle Creek, MI

The Rev. Daniel B. Brown
The Episcopal Center
Univesity of Georgia
Athens, GA

The Rev. Dr. David C. Brown, Pastor
Dubbs Memorial United Church of Christ
Allentown, PA

The Rev. David Wesley Brown, Elder
United Methodist Church
Philadelphia, PA

Pastor Donald E. Brown
First Presbyterian Church
North Haledon, NJ

The Rev. Donald S. Brown
Retired Presbyterian Mnister
Denver, CO

The Rev. Donna M. Brown, Pastor
St. John’s Ev. Lutheran Church, ELCA
West Milwaukee, WI

The Rev. Douglas Brown, Pastor
Bonner Springs United Methodist Church
Bonner Springs, KS

The Rev. Dr. Duane R. Brown, Pastor
Evangelical Congregational Church
United Church of Christ
Grafton, MA

The Rev. Esther P. Brown
Hardwick, VT

Frank Burch Brown
Frederick Doyle Kershner Professor of Religion and the Arts
Christian Theological Seminary, Indianapolis
Disciples of Christ/Presbyterian
Indianapolis, IN

The Rev. Dr. Frank M. Brown
Mankato, MN

The Rev. George D. Brown, Retired
The Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
Julian, CA

The Rev. Jacqualine L. Brown, Retired
United Church of Christ
Claremont, CA

The Rev. Dr. John G. Brown, III
The United Methodist Church
Westport, CT

The Rev. Jon K Brown, Retired
United Methodist Church
Boise, ID

Kark W. Brown, Retired Campus Minister
Texas State University
United Methodist
San Marcos, TX

The Rev. Kathy E. Brown
Hastings First United Methodist Church
Hastings, MI

The Rev. Keith I. Brown, Retired
Muskingum Valley Presbytery
First Presbyterian Church
Wooster, OH

The Rev. Dr. Ken Brown
District Executive
Pacific Southwest District/UUA
Studio City, CA

The Rev. Larry Brown
United Methodist Church
Lancaster, OH

Br. Mark Brown, SSJE
Society of Saint John the Evangelist (Episcopal)
Cambridge, MA

The Rev. Michael Brown
Pastor, Christ Church Presbyterian
Burlington, VT

The Rev. Michael W. Brown
Universalist Unitarian Church
Peoria, IL

The Rev. Mitchell Brown
Evanston Mennonite Church
Evanston, IL

The Rev. Nancy E. Brown, Rector
St. Paul's Episcopal Church
Lancaster, CA

The Rev. Nancy L.H. Brown
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Northfield, MN

The Rev. Nathan Brown
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
Portsmouth, VA

The Rev. Raymond Brown, Retired Minister
United Church of Christ
Selinsgrove, PA

The Rev. Richard L. Brown, Retired
United Church of Christ
Claremont, CA

The Rev. Roy F. Brown
Missioner to the Deaf
Diocese of Massachusetts
Boston, MA

The Rev. Sally Brown
Board Certified Clinical Chaplain
United Church of Christ
Palo Alto, CA

The Rev. Dr. Stephen Brown
United Church (UCC)
Mt. Sterling, OH

The Rev. Tisha Brown, Pastor
Community of Hope UCC
Madison, WI

The Rev Tom Brown, Retired Minister
Presbyterian Church USA
Pensacola, FL

The Rev. W. Noel Brown
Chaplain Supervisor
Northwestern Memorial Hospital
Chicago, IL

The Rev. Virginia Brown
Rivendell Community (Episcopal)
Dunnegan, MO

William P. Brown
Professor of Old Testament
Columbia Theological Seminary
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Decatur, GA

William P. Brown
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Rocky Mount, NC

The Rev. Robin C. Brown-Haithco
American Baptist Churches, USA
Atlanta, GA

The Rev. Virginia A. Brown-Nolan
St. Luke's Episcopal Church
Washington, DC

The Rev. Jim Browne
Hilliard Presbyterian Church
Hilliard, OH

The Rev. Linda Browne
Chaplain/Director of Spiritual Life
Salemtowne, a Moravian Retirerment Community
Winston-Salem-Salem, NC

The Rev. Robert O. Browne
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Albuquerque, NM

Jennifer Garrison Brownell, Associate Pastor
Magnolia United Church of Christ
Seattle, WA

Don Browning
Alexander Campell Professor Emeritus of Ethics and the Social Sciences
Divinity School
University of Chicago
Chicago, IL

Jim Browning , CPE Supervisor
Bethany Village Rtr Community
Mechanicsburg, PA

The Rev. Tracy M. Browning
St. Paul's Episcopal Church
The Dalles, OR

The Rev. Dr. Joseph W. Brownrigg, Retired
United Methoist Church
La Quinta, CA

The Rev. Dr. John Brownsberger
Senior Minister
Edinburg United Church of Christ
Ravanna, OH

Dr. Edward Brubaker
Presbyterian (U.S.A.)
Kennett Square, PA

The Rev. Natasha Brubaker, Assistant Rector
Christ Church Episcopal
Glen Allen, VA

Mary Peter Bruce, SL
Loretto Community (Sisters of Loretto and Co-members)
New York, NY

Robert G. Bruce, Interim Pastor
Round Rock Presbyterian Church
Round Rock, TX

The Rev. Janice Bruchhauser Levra
Anchorage Center for Spiritual Practices
Anchorage, AK

The Rev. Eugene V. Brueggemann, Retired
Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod
St. John's Lutheran Church
Fort Collins, CO

The Rev. Walter Brueggemann
Professor Emeritus
Columbia Theological Seminary
Decauter, GA

Pastor Bill Bruehl, Retired
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Ashtabula, OH

Chaplain Harry Bruen
United Presbyterian USA
Seymour, TN

The Rev. Richard Bruesehoff
Director for Leadership Support, ELCA
Chicago, IL

The Rev. Dr. Libby Brueseke, Retired
United Church of Christ
Owensville, MO

The Rev. Dr. Donald J. Bruggink
Reformed Church in America
Holland, MI

Pastor Carl Bruihler
First Lutheran Church
Hayward, WI

The Rev. Laurie Hiller Brumbaugh
Seaford Presbyterian Church
Seaford, DE

The Rev. Dr. H. Lee Brumback, II
St. Mary's Evangelical Lutheran Church (ELCA)
Westminster, MD

The Rev. Janne Suggs Brumbelow, Pastor
First Presbyterian Church
Littlefield, TX and
Associate Executive Presbyter
Palo Duro Presbytery
Lubbock, TX

The Rev.Wesley L. Brun, D.Min., L.P.C.
Executive Director
Samaritan Counseling Center of Southeastern Michigan
United Methodist Minister
Farmington Hills, MI

The Rev. Richard E. Bruner
Retired United Methodist Pastor
California/Nevada Conference UMC
Hesperia, CA

Darrell Bruning
USAF Chaplain
Niceville, FL

The Rev. Kevin Brunk
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
Bedford, VA

The Rev. Dr. Thomas L. Brunkow, Senior Pastor
Woodside United Methodist Church
Silver Spring, MD

The Rev. David D. Brunner, DMin
Rochester Mennonite Church
Rochester, MN

The Rev. Robert D. Bruso
St. Anthony di Padua Catholic Church
Fitchburg, MA

The Rev. Dr. Tim Bruster, Senior Pastor
First United Methodist Church
Fort Worth, TX

Susan M. Bruttell, Seminarian Intern
St. Paul's Episcopal Church
Wallingford, CT

The Rev. Charles A. Bryan
Episcopal Diocese of Western North Carolina
Asheville, NC

The Rev. Jonathan Bryan
Retired Priest
Episcopal Diocese of Virginia
Alexandria, VA

The Rev. Thomas W. Bryan
St. John's Lutheran Church
Eau Claire, WI

The Rev. Dr. Daniel E. H. Bryant
Senior Minister
First Christian Church
(Disciples of Christ)
Eugene, OR

The Rev. Frederick J. Bryant, Jr., Pastor
Trinity Lutheran Church
Jersey City, NJ

The Rev. Howard A. Bryant
Senior Interim Pastor
First Presbyterian Church Rahway
Rahway, NJ

The Rev. Jack D. Bryant, Minister
Hope Unitarian Church
Tulsa, OK

The Rev. Dr. Robert H. Bryant
UCC Seminary Professor (Retired)
Sarasota, FL

The Rev. Paul Bryant-Smith
First Congregational United Church of Christ
River Edge, NJ

The Rev. Herbert Brynildsen
United Methodist Church
Annandale, VA

The Rev, Sally L. Bub
Holy Nativity Episcopal Church
Kinnear, WY

The Rev. Dean W. Bucalos
Douglass Boulevard Christian Church
(Disciples of Christ)
Louisville, KY

Loris Buccola
Roman Catholic Deacon
Silverton, OR

The Rev. J. Thomas Buchanan
Prince of Peace Lutheran Church
Alpharetta, GA

John M. Buchanan, Pastor
Fourth Presbyterian Church
Chicago, IL

The Rev. Dr. Kevin B. Buchanan, Interim Pastor
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Windsor Presbyterian Church
Santa Rosa, CA

David M. Buchenroth, Pastor
Galilee Lutheran Church (ELCA)
Russells Point, OH

The Rev. Lois A. Bucher
First Congregational United Church of Christ
Elgin, IL

The Rev. Lois S. Buchiane
United Church of Christ
Charlemont, MA

The Rev. Byron Lee Buck
United Presbyterian Church (USA)
Washington, DC

The Rev. David E. Buck
Church of the Nativity
Episcopal Church in the USA
Raleigh, NC

The Rev. Martha Buck
St. James Episcopal Church
Monterey, CA

The Rev. Judy Buck-Glenn
Christ Church Episcopal
Ridley Park, PA

The Rev. Richard L. Buckingham, M.R.E., Deacon
Christian Educator
St. Paul's United Methodist Church
Kensington, MD

The Rev. Jack Buckley, Pastor
First Presbyterian Church [PC(USA)]
Alameda, CA

Jane Buckley-Farlee, Senior Pastor
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Minneapolis, MN

Anita Smith Buckwalter, Pastor
First Church of the Brethren
Lansing, MI

The Rev. Dr. Georgine Buckwalter
Episcopal Priest and Director of Pastoral Care
St. Luke's Chapel
Episcopal Church Home
Louisville, KY

The Rev. Daniel Budd
First Unitarian Church
Cleveland, OH

The Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde
St. John's Episcopal Church
Minneapolis, MN

The Rev. Esar Budhu
East Orange, NJ

The Rev. Thomas J. Buechele, Vicar
St. Augustine Episcopal Church
Kapa`au, HI

The Rev. Kimberly Buechner Fouse
Minister in Other Service
Presbytery of Cincinnati
Cold Spring, KY

The Rev. William Buehler
The Independent and Liberal Catholic Church of Antioch (Malabar Rite)
Diocese of the Southwest
Crestone, CO

The Rev. Gwen L. Buehrens
Episcopal Priest
Needham, MA

The Rev. John A. Buehrens, Minister
First Parish in Needham, MA
Past President, Unitarian Universalist Association
Needham, MA

The Rev. Samuel J. Buehrer
First United Church of Christ
Galion, OH

The Rev. Dr. Harvey R. Buer, Pastor
First Congregational United Church of Christ
Bellevue, WA

The Rev. John A. Buerk, Retired
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Buffalo, NY

The Rev. Jeff Buettner
Sinai, SD

Pastor Lispeth Ann Buettner
Martin Luther Lutheran Church
Chicago, IL

Paul R. Buettner, Pastor
Martin Luther Lutheran Church
Chicago, IL

The Rev. Donald Buggert, O. Carm.
Professor of Systematic Theology
Washington Theological Union
Washington, DC

The Rev. Leonetta Bugleisi
Paint Creek Unitarian Universalist Congregation
Rochester, MI

The Rev. Richard Buhrer
St. Paul's Episcopal Church
Diocese of Olympia
Seattle, WA

The Rev. Sam Buice
St. Peters Episcopal Church
Savannah, GA

The Rev. Dr. Lynn Bujnak
United Church of Christ
Cleveland, OH

The Rev. Dr. Crystal C. Bujol
The First Woman's Church in the City of the Angels
Los Angeles, CA

The Rev. C.R. Bukala, S.J.
John Carroll University
Cleveland, OH

The Rev. Elaine M. Buker
Lillian, AL

The Rev. John E. Buker, Retired
West Michigan Conference
United Methodist Church
Lillian AL

The Rev. Sara Ann Bull, Pastor
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Okeechobee Presbyterian Church
Okeechobee, FL

Gary L. R. Bullard, Sr., Senior Pastor
Mount Pleasant Presbyterian Church
Mount Pleasant, SC

The Rev. Mary M. Bullis
United Methodist Church
Phoenix, AZ

The Rev. Margaret Bullitt-Jonas, Ph.D.
Priest Associate
Grace Episcopal Church
Amherst, MA

The Rev. Barbara Bullock
United Church of Christ
Alleman, IA

Ruthann Bullock
Director of Christian Education
Congregational United Church of Christ
Buena Vista, CO

Dr. Alfred Buls, Retired
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Timonium, MD

The Rev. Daris Bultena
Good Shepherd Presbyterian Church
Joppatowne, MD

The Rev. Cynthia S. Bumb, Pastor
Pilgrim Congregational United Church of Christ
St. Louis, MO

The Rev. Pat Bumgardner, Pastor
Metropolitan Community Church
New York, NY

The Rev. James Bump
Trinity Living Waters Community Lutheran Church
Waupaca, WI

The Rev. Dr. James Bundy, Pastor
Sojourners United Church of Christ
Charlottesville, VA

The Rev. Larry V. R. Bunnell
Klamath Falls, OR

The Rev. Anthony F. Buquor, Rector
Trinity Episcopal Church
Concord, MA

Dotty Burcaw, Chaplain
Moravian Hall Square
Nazareth, PA

Bishop James H. Burch
The Catholic Diocese of One Spirit
Clifton, VA

The Rev. Sharon P. Burch, Ph.D.
American Baptist Seminary of the West
First Baptist Church of Berkeley
San Rafael, CA

The Rev. John Burciaga
Unitarian Universalist
Phoenix, AZ

The Rev. Edward N. Burdick, Retired
The Episcopal Church
Newark, OH

The Rev. Raymond C. Burdick
Transfiguration Lutheran Church (ELCA)
Pottstown, PA

The Rev. Jesse Hugh Burgess, III
Walla Walla, WA

Ruth M. Burgess, Minister
Broad Street United Methodist Church
Portsmouth, VA
The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology. - Michael Parenti
Reply #4 posted 07/18/06 3:00am

GeorgeWBush

The Rev. John M. Caldwell, Ph.D., Senior Pastor
St. Mark's United Methodist Church
Iowa City, IA

Dr. Maurice Caldwell
Church of God
Anderson, IN

The Rev. Stephen R. Caldwell
Episcopal Diocese of the Rio Grande
Albuquerque, NM

The Rev. Dr. Dennis B. Calhoun
Senior Minister
Middlebury Congregational Church, UCC
Middlebury, CT

The Rev. Heidi Calhoun
PCUSA
Bellevue, WA

The Rev. John Calhoun
New York, NY

The Rev. Ronald G. Calhoun, D.Min.
Roman Catholic (priest)
Framingham, MA

The Rev. Sally M. Calhoun
United Church of Christ
Littleton, MA

The Rev. Dr. Verna L. Call
Lazarus United Church of Christ
Lineboro, MD

The Rev. Carol Callahan, Deacon
Episcopal Church of the Good Samaritan
Amelia, OH

Dr. Sharon Henderson Callahan
Associate Professor
School of Theology and Ministry
Seattle University
Seattle, WA

Norman G. Callaway, Minister
United Methodist Church
Woodland, CA

The Rev. Canon Richard H. Callaway
Canon to the Ordinary and Deployment Officer
The Episcopal Diocese of Atlanta
The Episcopal Church
Atlanta, GA

Coy Callicott, Chaplain
Gibbs Regional Cancer Center
Spartanburg, SC

The Rev. Sarah Calvert
United Methodist Church
Sterling, VA

The Rev. Mark Calvert-Rosenberger
First Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
Bloomington, IN

The Rev. Travis L. Campbell, Retired
United Methodist Church
Fairfield, CA

The Rev. David A. Cameron
Emmanuel Episcopal Parish
Rapid City, SD

The Rev. Jacqueline R. Cameron, MD
Bishop Anderson House
Rush University Medical Center
Chicago, IL

The Rev. Josephine C. Cameron
Riverdale Presbyterian Church
Bronx, NY

The Rev. Kevin J. Cameron
Parkway United Church of Christ
St Louis, MO

The Rev. Chuck Cammarata, Pastor
Fairview Presbyterian Church (PCUSA)
Fairview, PA

The Rev. Barry Cammer
New Spirit Community Church (UCC)
Berkeley, CA

The Rev. Amy Lehr Camp
PC(USA)
Green Cove Springs, FL

The Rev. Dianne B. Camp
Unity of the Shenandoah
Stephens City, VA

The Rev. Donald J. Camp
United Church of Christ
Chicago, IL

The Rev. Stephen W. Camp
Conference Minister
Southern Conference of the United Church of Christ
Elon, NC

Thomas G. Camp, M. Div.
United Methodist Elder
Pastoral Counselor and Executive Director
Samaritan Counseling Center of Northeast Georgia
Athens, GA

The Rev. Allen Campbell
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Maddock, ND

The Rev. Barbara A. Campbell
Unitarian Universalist
Collingswood, NJ

E. Ellsworth Campbell
Retired ELCA Clergy
Sun City West, AZ

The Rev. Dr. Edward F. Campbell, Jr.
McGaw Professor Emeritus of Old Testament
McCormick Theological Seminary, Chicago
Portland, ME

The Rev. George O. Campbell
United Methodist Church
Holland, OH

Dr. George W. Campbell, Pastor Emeritus
Hillside Christian Church [Disciples of Christ]
Gladstone, MO


oh stop it already rolleyes just check the website to get the complete atheist list http://www.butler.edu/clergyproject/rel_clergy_by_state.htm
The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology. - Michael Parenti
Reply #5 posted 07/18/06 3:49am

Cloudbuster

How is science compatible with fantasy?
Reply #6 posted 07/18/06 3:53am

GeorgeWBush

Cloudbuster said:

How is science compatible with fantasy?

smile

they do not share any common ground > no contradiction > compatible
The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology. - Michael Parenti
Reply #7 posted 07/18/06 3:55am

Cloudbuster

GeorgeWBush said:

smile

they do not share any common ground > no contradiction > compatible


Oh. I see. smile
Reply #8 posted 07/18/06 5:37am

shanti0608

Good Lord help us!!
Reply #9 posted 07/18/06 6:21am

XxAxX

GeorgeWBush said:

We've reached our goal of gathering 10,000 clergy signatures.

Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible – the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark – convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.

We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.


http://www.uwosh.edu/colleges/cols/religion_science_collaboration.htm
[Edited 7/18/06 5:30am]



racist! mad
Reply #10 posted 07/18/06 7:47am

Alexamenos

GeorgeWBush said:

We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth,


thanks for your dogmatic pronouncement of faith...

one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests.


thanks for your pronouncement of faith. it's kinda funny how easily philosophical and methodological naturalism proves itself when it presupposes what it claims to prove, isn't it?

To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children.


uh,.... ok. sounds like someone is trying to found and establish the very truth of evolution by by fiat with this lil manifesto. ....but that's not how truth works.

We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator.


you apparently do not understand evolution nor it's implications. You are claiming the truth of evolution and now calling our brains gifts of God??!
falloff No, they are accidents, with no capacity for truly representing anything because there can be no truthful correspondence between the mechanistic and meaningless firings of your brain with any supposed state of affairs that they are supposedly about. The chemical processes of your brain are not about anything any more than the urine produced by your kidneys is about anything.

To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris.


really now, who ever argued this?
"Love the One Who is Love"
Reply #11 posted 07/18/06 8:17am

GeorgeWBush

uhmmm confuse did you check the link? http://www.butler.edu/clergyproject/religion_science_collaboration.htm

this was not written by ME (see, I can't write letters longer than two lines myself) this is from The Clergy Letter Project and it has enough Christian backup anyone could wish for. sorry you disagree with the majority of Christians and the world. but it's not your fault you were severly misinformed.
[Edited 7/18/06 8:19am]
The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology. - Michael Parenti
Reply #12 posted 07/18/06 8:24am

Alexamenos

GeorgeWBush said:

uhmmm this was not written by ME (see, I can't write letters longer than two lines myself) this is from The Clergy Letter Project and it has enough Christian backup anyone courd wish for. sorry you disagree with the majority of Chrsitians.

confuse did you check the link? http://www.butler.edu/clergyproject/religion_science_collaboration.htm
[Edited 7/18/06 8:18am]


the 'you' i address is not you, but the you-plural (them).
sorry i wasn't clear.

it's not a matter of me disagreeing with the 'majority' of Christians. If that that is their claim -that they are in the majority, then i highly doubt that. Regardless, neither Christian truth nor the dictates of reason are made up of majority decisions.

no, i havent' checked the link yet, but i thought the info you provided sufficed to inform me that it is some coalition of christian evolutionists who think that reason and faith are two different things that should not battle....or something like that. i guess i'll click the link and check it out more thoroughly.

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[Edited 7/18/06 8:24am]
"Love the One Who is Love"
Reply #13 posted 07/18/06 8:47am

Stinky

Alexamenos said:

GeorgeWBush said:

uhmmm this was not written by ME (see, I can't write letters longer than two lines myself) this is from The Clergy Letter Project and it has enough Christian backup anyone courd wish for. sorry you disagree with the majority of Chrsitians.

confuse did you check the link? http://www.butler.edu/clergyproject/religion_science_collaboration.htm
[Edited 7/18/06 8:18am]


the 'you' i address is not you, but the you-plural (them).
sorry i wasn't clear.

it's not a matter of me disagreeing with the 'majority' of Christians. If that that is their claim -that they are in the majority, then i highly doubt that. Regardless, neither Christian truth nor the dictates of reason are made up of majority decisions.

no, i havent' checked the link yet, but i thought the info you provided sufficed to inform me that it is some coalition of christian evolutionists who think that reason and faith are two different things that should not battle....or something like that. i guess i'll click the link and check it out more thoroughly.

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[Edited 7/18/06 8:24am]


Absolutely true that majority decisions do not hold unfettered rights to the truth. But (although it is hard to prove, without questioning every single one) I think it is pretty hard to argue that the majority of those calling themselves Christians believe in a literal Creation as set out in Genesis. Given that nearly all of the major branches of Christianity more or less subscribe to some sort of theistic evolution.

I am constantly curious as to why this very particular, literal interpretation of Genesis persists so rampantly in the US, and does not in other Anglo-Saxon Christian communities. Maybe it's because of the vast power and money in the hands of the ultra-conservative Christians, I don't know. It's sad, though.
But Marge! What if we chose the wrong religion? Each week we just make God madder and madder.
Reply #14 posted 07/18/06 8:51am

NorthernLad

It's sheer fiction to suggest that the majority of Christians reject evolution - pure falsehood.

The vast majority - over a 2 to 1 margin - of Christian denominations do not require a strict literal belief in the Bible. http://www.cesame-nm.org/Viewpoint/contributions/bible/position.html

The Creationists are a very vocal minority, but a minority all the same. Their ideas are so fantastical that they seem to get more attention and press than their stature deserves, in my view. There really is no "debate" about evolution, nor has there been for decades. Only creationists think there is a debate, because they seem unable to accept simple reality.


****


"To those searching for truth - not the truth of dogma and darkness but the truth brought by reason, search, examination, and inquiry, discipline is required. For faith, as well intentioned as it may be, must be built on facts, not fiction - faith in fiction is a damnable false hope.” -Thomas Edison


." . . some of the moderns have indulged this folly, with such consummate inconsiderateness, that they have endeavoured to build a system of natural philosophy on the first chapter of Genesis, on the Book of Job, and other parts of Scripture. . . . And this folly is the more to be prevented and restrained, because not only fantastical philosophy but heretical religion spring form the absurd mixture of matters divine and human." - Francis Bacon


"What really upsets me about the extreme creationist position, and the imposition of an extreme creationist position on the educational system, is that they are attempts, in my view, to suppress an aspect of truth. And that’s a terrible thing to do. Of course, these people can have their own belief, but when they try to impose them on society, then they are doing religion a very deep disservice. It’s a sign, I think, that they are not really serving the God of truth." - John Polkinghorne
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Reply #15 posted 07/18/06 8:55am

Alexamenos

Stinky said:

Alexamenos said:



the 'you' i address is not you, but the you-plural (them).
sorry i wasn't clear.

it's not a matter of me disagreeing with the 'majority' of Christians. If that that is their claim -that they are in the majority, then i highly doubt that. Regardless, neither Christian truth nor the dictates of reason are made up of majority decisions.

no, i havent' checked the link yet, but i thought the info you provided sufficed to inform me that it is some coalition of christian evolutionists who think that reason and faith are two different things that should not battle....or something like that. i guess i'll click the link and check it out more thoroughly.


Absolutely true that majority decisions do not hold unfettered rights to the truth. But (although it is hard to prove, without questioning every single one) I think it is pretty hard to argue that the majority of those calling themselves Christians believe in a literal Creation as set out in Genesis. Given that nearly all of the major branches of Christianity more or less subscribe to some sort of theistic evolution.

I am constantly curious as to why this very particular, literal interpretation of Genesis persists so rampantly in the US, and does not in other Anglo-Saxon Christian communities. Maybe it's because of the vast power and money in the hands of the ultra-conservative Christians, I don't know. It's sad, though.



to let go of some rigidly literal account of Genesis creation is not to automatically accede to the darwinian account.
The genesis account even in its most metaphorical reading is an account of God's agency in creation, and His design of all life.
"Love the One Who is Love"
Reply #16 posted 07/18/06 9:03am

Stinky

Alexamenos said:

Stinky said:



Absolutely true that majority decisions do not hold unfettered rights to the truth. But (although it is hard to prove, without questioning every single one) I think it is pretty hard to argue that the majority of those calling themselves Christians believe in a literal Creation as set out in Genesis. Given that nearly all of the major branches of Christianity more or less subscribe to some sort of theistic evolution.

I am constantly curious as to why this very particular, literal interpretation of Genesis persists so rampantly in the US, and does not in other Anglo-Saxon Christian communities. Maybe it's because of the vast power and money in the hands of the ultra-conservative Christians, I don't know. It's sad, though.



to let go of some rigidly literal account of Genesis creation is not to automatically accede to the darwinian account.
The genesis account even in its most metaphorical reading is an account of God's agency in creation, and His design of all life.


Oh, I agree absolutely on both accounts. But so does reasoned theistic evolution. smile
But Marge! What if we chose the wrong religion? Each week we just make God madder and madder.
Reply #17 posted 07/18/06 9:04am

Alexamenos

NorthernLad said:

It's sheer fiction to suggest that the majority of Christians reject evolution - pure falsehood.


yes, the majority actually do.

The vast majority - over a 2 to 1 margin - of Christian denominations do not require a strict literal belief in the Bible. http://www.cesame-nm.org/Viewpoint/contributions/bible/position.html


to say that a vast majority, 2 to 1, do not require a strict literal belief in the bible is not to say that a vast majority, over a 2 to 1 margin, believe in evolution.
an unstrict largely metaphorical reading of many biblical narratives or accounts does not equate to a belief in the theory of evolution.

The Creationists are a very vocal minority, but a minority all the same. Their ideas are so fantastical that they seem to get more attention and press than their stature deserves, in my view. There really is no "debate" about evolution, nor has there been for decades. Only creationists think there is a debate, because they seem unable to accept simple reality.


in america anyway, they are not the minority, THEY ARE THE MAJORITY.
here's one quick poll that i found to that point: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opinion/polls/main657083.shtml
"Love the One Who is Love"
Reply #18 posted 07/18/06 9:13am

Alexamenos

Stinky said:

Alexamenos said:




to let go of some rigidly literal account of Genesis creation is not to automatically accede to the darwinian account.
The genesis account even in its most metaphorical reading is an account of God's agency in creation, and His design of all life.


Oh, I agree absolutely on both accounts. But so does reasoned theistic evolution. smile


"theistic evolution"? are is adherents even aware of what sort of implications that entails?

who thinks to get any nearer to the truth by assuming the fallacy of this "middle ground" position?

"theistic evolution" is an oxymoron akin to believing in "guided randomness"

.
[Edited 7/18/06 9:13am]
"Love the One Who is Love"
Reply #19 posted 07/18/06 9:32am

NorthernLad

Alexamenos said:



yes, the majority actually do.



Um, no. In fact, the VAST MAJORITY do not. Do some research. The United States is the ONLY country in the world where the majority of Christians doubt evolution. What does that tell us about how dogmatic the far right in the US is?

Surely you are aware that the US does not in any way represent a majority of Christians worldwide?

Pope John Paul II, as I am sure you are aware, had even stated very clearly that evolution was perfectly legitimate and within the boundaries of the church's teachings.
Reply #20 posted 07/18/06 9:46am

Stinky

Alexamenos said:

"theistic evolution"? are is adherents even aware of what sort of implications that entails?


Like any large group of religious believers, some will have thought it through more than others. You're talking about millions and millions of people, so it's quite naturally hard to generalise about how much of a theological analysis each will have carried out. lol

who thinks to get any nearer to the truth by assuming the fallacy of this "middle ground" position?


Come again? Not sure what you're saying here. If it's that theistic evolution (in all its forms) is both a middle ground position and a fallacy, then hey - you're entitled to that opinion. Not that being a middle ground position ever meant you were excluded from the truth, of course. wink

"theistic evolution" is an oxymoron akin to believing in "guided randomness"


It isn't an oxymoron, at least objectively. You might subjectively perceive it to be contradictory, but that's entirely based upon your own spiritual persuasion. Presumably the reason you think the phrase is oxymoronic is down to your personal conviction, for whatever reason, that evolution and theism are incompatible? Certainly the two are not logically incompatible.
But Marge! What if we chose the wrong religion? Each week we just make God madder and madder.
Reply #21 posted 07/18/06 10:12am

Alexamenos

Stinky said:

Alexamenos said:

"theistic evolution" is an oxymoron akin to believing in "guided randomness"


It isn't an oxymoron, at least objectively. You might subjectively perceive it to be contradictory, but that's entirely based upon your own spiritual persuasion. Presumably the reason you think the phrase is oxymoronic is down to your personal conviction, for whatever reason, that evolution and theism are incompatible? Certainly the two are not logically incompatible.


well if one simply believes in a deity of some sort and also believes in evolution then i guess there need not be any contradiction here. one may simply believe that the deity itself is NOT ALSO the designing creator, and is just simply there, maybe himself evolving like the rest of us.

BUT insofar as one says that God is the designing creator AND one believes in evolution it is like saying: I believe in design by chance.

and then i just go.... hmmm hmm confuse

the phrase itself qualifies the evolution as "theistic" which is to say what...? that every natural act that contributes to the envirenmnt that gives rise to the natural selection that "drives" evolution is at the same time happening as a result of God's intervention, design, and agency?

If God's will merely supervenes over and on top of the natural law that He created, without intervention, then that is a superfluous idea that has no place in science and needs to schedule an appointment with Ockham's razor.

.
[Edited 7/18/06 10:14am]
"Love the One Who is Love"
Reply #22 posted 07/18/06 11:00am

padawan

Alexamenos said:

Stinky said:



It isn't an oxymoron, at least objectively. You might subjectively perceive it to be contradictory, but that's entirely based upon your own spiritual persuasion. Presumably the reason you think the phrase is oxymoronic is down to your personal conviction, for whatever reason, that evolution and theism are incompatible? Certainly the two are not logically incompatible.


well if one simply believes in a deity of some sort and also believes in evolution then i guess there need not be any contradiction here. one may simply believe that the deity itself is NOT ALSO the designing creator, and is just simply there, maybe himself evolving like the rest of us.

BUT insofar as one says that God is the designing creator AND one believes in evolution it is like saying: I believe in design by chance.

and then i just go.... hmmm hmm confuse

the phrase itself qualifies the evolution as "theistic" which is to say what...? that every natural act that contributes to the envirenmnt that gives rise to the natural selection that "drives" evolution is at the same time happening as a result of God's intervention, design, and agency?

If God's will merely supervenes over and on top of the natural law that He created, without intervention, then that is a superfluous idea that has no place in science and needs to schedule an appointment with Ockham's razor.

.
[Edited 7/18/06 10:14am]



Ya know, when it comes down to it, it's an argument between "design" and "chance." That's really all it is. And the fallacy is that you have to choose one or the other.

Any creative person will tell you that in the act of making art or music or architecture, chance and accident and unforseen factors are vital to the process. If you stubbornly stick with you original plan without incorporating chance, adapting to new developments, your work will suffer for it.

Only the absolutist would dismiss chance as a meaningless event and design as the supreme backdrop of all things. In reality it's not an either/or situation. There's a chance aspect to all designs and patterns in nature, as there is a bit of intention and logic behind all chance occurrences. The two are interwoven, as are creation and evolution, spirit and nature, purpose and meaninglessness.

Chance is not the enemy of design. And no worthy design would expel chance.
Reply #23 posted 07/18/06 12:00pm

Alexamenos

padawan said:

Alexamenos said:



well if one simply believes in a deity of some sort and also believes in evolution then i guess there need not be any contradiction here. one may simply believe that the deity itself is NOT ALSO the designing creator, and is just simply there, maybe himself evolving like the rest of us.

BUT insofar as one says that God is the designing creator AND one believes in evolution it is like saying: I believe in design by chance.

and then i just go.... hmmm hmm confuse

the phrase itself qualifies the evolution as "theistic" which is to say what...? that every natural act that contributes to the envirenmnt that gives rise to the natural selection that "drives" evolution is at the same time happening as a result of God's intervention, design, and agency?

If God's will merely supervenes over and on top of the natural law that He created, without intervention, then that is a superfluous idea that has no place in science and needs to schedule an appointment with Ockham's razor.

.
[Edited 7/18/06 10:14am]



Ya know, when it comes down to it, it's an argument between "design" and "chance." That's really all it is. And the fallacy is that you have to choose one or the other.

Any creative person will tell you that in the act of making art or music or architecture, chance and accident and unforseen factors are vital to the process. If you stubbornly stick with you original plan without incorporating chance, adapting to new developments, your work will suffer for it.


yes, and every one of these dogmatic philosophical naturalists and darwinists will tell you that these happy accidents and "chance events" have material causes that will fully account for them, just as they account for the "creative act" and the "design" and "intentionality" and "agency" of the artist himself. shrug

Only the absolutist would dismiss chance as a meaningless event and design as the supreme backdrop of all things.
NOTHING can be designed for the darwinist and it is ALL meaningless. There is no artistic collaboration between design and the pseudo-scientific category of chance.

In reality it's not an either/or situation. There's a chance aspect to all designs and patterns in nature, as there is a bit of intention and logic behind all chance occurrences. The two are interwoven, as are creation and evolution, spirit and nature, purpose and meaninglessness.

Chance is not the enemy of design. And no worthy design would expel chance.


thanks for sharing your personal beliefs, but I assume that in these discussions of the creator we are discussing the God of the Old and New Testament.

"the lot is cast into the lap, But its every decision is from the LORD."
-prov 16:33

perhaps you could scientifically explain what you mean by chance....?confuse

something without explanation? that's about as unscientific as anything can be. do you just mean undirected events? undirected in the sense of not intelligently guided? then i ask what are directed events? human actions? but aren't those undirected as well? how does the directed arise from the undirected? how are humans capable of design, whereas clouds and storms are not? how did the contours of mount rushmore take their present shapes? is that a scientific question? anyway...

Christianity certainly does not believe in a God who had to create out of some pre-existing stuff that could not be understood as obeying any causal rule whatsoever. In fact, it believes in a God who had nothing else co-eternal with him that he might make the world out of. So: this God did not (need to) have Bob Rossian "happy accidents" collaborate in his design.

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"Love the One Who is Love"
Reply #24 posted 07/18/06 12:54pm

padawan

Alexamenos said:[quote]

padawan said:

NOTHING can be designed for the darwinist and it is ALL meaningless. There is no artistic collaboration between design and the pseudo-scientific category of chance.

In reality it's not an either/or situation. There's a chance aspect to all designs and patterns in nature, as there is a bit of intention and logic behind all chance occurrences. The two are interwoven, as are creation and evolution, spirit and nature, purpose and meaninglessness.

Chance is not the enemy of design. And no worthy design would expel chance.


thanks for sharing your personal beliefs, but I assume that in these discussions of the creator we are discussing the God of the Old and New Testament.

"the lot is cast into the lap, But its every decision is from the LORD."
-prov 16:33

perhaps you could scientifically explain what you mean by chance....?confuse

something without explanation? that's about as unscientific as anything can be. do you just mean undirected events? undirected in the sense of not intelligently guided? then i ask what are directed events? human actions? but aren't those undirected as well? how does the directed arise from the undirected? how are humans capable of design, whereas clouds and storms are not? how did the contours of mount rushmore take their present shapes? is that a scientific question? anyway...

Christianity certainly does not believe in a God who had to create out of some pre-existing stuff that could not be understood as obeying any causal rule whatsoever. In fact, it believes in a God who had nothing else co-eternal with him that he might make the world out of. So: this God did not (need to) have Bob Rossian "happy accidents" collaborate in his design.

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[Edited 7/18/06 12:35pm]



Well, it's clear there's no room for chance in your world view.

There is in mine. I actually enjoy chance. Someimes it's inconvenient, even unpleasant and scary. But I certainly wouldn't deny its palpable existence and the sheer joy it can bring.

For me, chance is the very essence of fun, surprise, art, and laughter. Without which life would be a dreadful affair.
Reply #25 posted 07/18/06 1:13pm

EmancipationLover

Alexamenos said:

GeorgeWBush said:

We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. [b]We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth,


thanks for your dogmatic pronouncement of faith...



you apparently do not understand evolution nor it's implications. You are claiming the truth of evolution and now calling our brains gifts of God??!
falloff No, they are accidents, with no capacity for truly representing anything because there can be no truthful correspondence between the mechanistic and meaningless firings of your brain with any supposed state of affairs that they are supposedly about. The chemical processes of your brain are not about anything any more than the urine produced by your kidneys is about anything.

To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris.


really now, who ever argued this?


As you obviosly dislike reading a complete thread, I copy here what I posted on the other thread:

For the questioning of the evolution theory: Some people from the so-called Creationist side believe that evolution rules out God. That is not the case. It just says that species originated by evolution from other species instead of being formed "out of nothing". Modern genetics helps us to understand the molecular basis of that process. Genetic mutations, gene shuffling and all those things could be coincident events, but it does not rule out a creating force behind it. In other words: the numbers drawn for the lottery on the weekend can just be what they are by coincidence, or God could actually be the secret force behind it. We don't have ways to prove neither the first nor the latter. It's a matter of... guess what... faith!
prince
Reply #26 posted 07/18/06 1:16pm

Alexamenos

padawan said:

Alexamenos said:



thanks for sharing your personal beliefs, but I assume that in these discussions of the creator we are discussing the God of the Old and New Testament.

"the lot is cast into the lap, But its every decision is from the LORD."
-prov 16:33

perhaps you could scientifically explain what you mean by chance....?confuse

something without explanation? that's about as unscientific as anything can be. do you just mean undirected events? undirected in the sense of not intelligently guided? then i ask what are directed events? human actions? but aren't those undirected as well? how does the directed arise from the undirected? how are humans capable of design, whereas clouds and storms are not? how did the contours of mount rushmore take their present shapes? is that a scientific question? anyway...

Christianity certainly does not believe in a God who had to create out of some pre-existing stuff that could not be understood as obeying any causal rule whatsoever. In fact, it believes in a God who had nothing else co-eternal with him that he might make the world out of. So: this God did not (need to) have Bob Rossian "happy accidents" collaborate in his design.

.
[Edited 7/18/06 12:35pm]



Well, it's clear there's no room for chance in your world view.

There is in mine. I actually enjoy chance. Someimes it's inconvenient, even unpleasant and scary. But I certainly wouldn't deny its palpable existence and the sheer joy it can bring.

For me, chance is the very essence of fun, surprise, art, and laughter. Without which life would be a dreadful affair.


well you mean something totally different than the chance that might be appealed to in a scientific discussion of evolution/creation.

i have no desire to try to "refute" or to say anything bad about the kind of "chance" that we experience in our everyday lives, and the kind of chance we refer to in our everyday discussions, the kind that refers to unexpectedly running into an old friend while vacationing in south america, or the kind of "chance" that we speak of in improvisational theatre or in the sudden overheard phrase that completes a poem, etc...


chance, scientifically speaking here, imo, can only mean the probability for something happening, (like, what are the chances of so and so given these laws of chemistry and physics?).
otherwise chance is appealed to in a magical way or as shorthand for our ignorance regarding the causes of some event, whether they be caused by an intelligent agent or natural causes...
"Love the One Who is Love"
Reply #27 posted 07/18/06 1:23pm

Alexamenos

EmancipationLover said:

Alexamenos said:



really now, who ever argued this?


As you obviosly dislike reading a complete thread, I copy here what I posted on the other thread:

For the questioning of the evolution theory: Some people from the so-called Creationist side believe that evolution rules out God. That is not the case. It just says that species originated by evolution from other species instead of being formed "out of nothing". Modern genetics helps us to understand the molecular basis of that process. Genetic mutations, gene shuffling and all those things could be coincident events, but it does not rule out a creating force behind it. In other words: the numbers drawn for the lottery on the weekend can just be what they are by coincidence, or God could actually be the secret force behind it. We don't have ways to prove neither the first nor the latter. It's a matter of... guess what... faith!


i read the whole thread but just disagree with what you are implicitly connecting: that believing that that the theory of evolution is inconsistent with intelligent creation is to not fully deploy the God-given faculty of reason and is an attempt to limit God and is an act of hubris.
"Love the One Who is Love"
Reply #28 posted 07/18/06 1:24pm

padawan

Alexamenos said:

padawan said:




Well, it's clear there's no room for chance in your world view.

There is in mine. I actually enjoy chance. Someimes it's inconvenient, even unpleasant and scary. But I certainly wouldn't deny its palpable existence and the sheer joy it can bring.

For me, chance is the very essence of fun, surprise, art, and laughter. Without which life would be a dreadful affair.


well you mean something totally different than the chance that might be appealed to in a scientific discussion of evolution/creation.

i have no desire to try to "refute" or to say anything bad about the kind of "chance" that we experience in our everyday lives, and the kind of chance we refer to in our everyday discussions, the kind that refers to unexpectedly running into an old friend while vacationing in south america, or the kind of "chance" that we speak of in improvisational theatre or in the sudden overheard phrase that completes a poem, etc...


This is the only chance that matters. The SENSATION and EXPERIENCE of chance is infinitely more interesting than the abstracted usage of the term to argue some point of view.
Reply #29 posted 07/18/06 1:40pm

EmancipationLover

Alexamenos said:

EmancipationLover said:



As you obviosly dislike reading a complete thread, I copy here what I posted on the other thread:

For the questioning of the evolution theory: Some people from the so-called Creationist side believe that evolution rules out God. That is not the case. It just says that species originated by evolution from other species instead of being formed "out of nothing". Modern genetics helps us to understand the molecular basis of that process. Genetic mutations, gene shuffling and all those things could be coincident events, but it does not rule out a creating force behind it. In other words: the numbers drawn for the lottery on the weekend can just be what they are by coincidence, or God could actually be the secret force behind it. We don't have ways to prove neither the first nor the latter. It's a matter of... guess what... faith!


i read the whole thread but just disagree with what you are implicitly connecting: that believing that that the theory of evolution is inconsistent with intelligent creation is to not fully deploy the God-given faculty of reason and is an attempt to limit God and is an act of hubris.


What is an "act of hubris"?

To accept scientific facts? or...

To label something written by humans as the "word of God" and take it literally, word for word, although that literal interpretation is contradicting scientific facts?

Take your pic.
[Edited 7/18/06 14:15pm]
prince
Reply #30 posted 07/18/06 2:03pm

Alexamenos

EmancipationLover said:

Alexamenos said:



i read the whole thread but just disagree with what you are implicitly connecting: that believing that that the theory of evolution is inconsistent with intelligent creation is to not fully deploy the God-given faculty of reason and is an attempt to limit God and is an act of hubris.


What is an "act of hubris"?

To accept scientidic facts? or...

To label something written by humans as the "word of God" and take it literally, word for word, although that literal interpretation is contradicting scientific facts?

Take your pic.


what scientific facts must be denied for someone to disbelieve that the theory of evolution is a accurate account of origins or that naturalism is the only coherent philosophy?
"Love the One Who is Love"
Reply #31 posted 07/18/06 2:18pm

EmancipationLover

Alexamenos said:

EmancipationLover said:



What is an "act of hubris"?

To accept scientidic facts? or...

To label something written by humans as the "word of God" and take it literally, word for word, although that literal interpretation is contradicting scientific facts?

Take your pic.


what scientific facts must be denied for someone to disbelieve that the theory of evolution is a accurate account of origins or that naturalism is the only coherent philosophy?


If you want to take Genesis completely literally, several:

- Age of the Earth

- Age of "the stars"

- Pretty much any result anthropology has ever produced
prince
Reply #32 posted 07/18/06 2:24pm

Alexamenos

EmancipationLover said:

Alexamenos said:



what scientific facts must be denied for someone to disbelieve that the theory of evolution is a accurate account of origins or that naturalism is the only coherent philosophy?


If you want to take Genesis completely literally, several:

- Age of the Earth

- Age of "the stars"

- Pretty much any result anthropology has ever produced


Being committed to a 'completely literal' Genesis account of life origins out of some notion of faith is hardly the only reason to have a problem with the theory of evolution.
"Love the One Who is Love"
Reply #33 posted 07/18/06 3:16pm

EmancipationLover

Alexamenos said:

EmancipationLover said:



If you want to take Genesis completely literally, several:

- Age of the Earth

- Age of "the stars"

- Pretty much any result anthropology has ever produced


Being committed to a 'completely literal' Genesis account of life origins out of some notion of faith is hardly the only reason to have a problem with the theory of evolution.


From the philosophical point of view, you can question the missing "elegance" of evolution theory and therefore deny it, of course. Then you're in the same boat as the guys who supported Neptunism 200 years ago. And look how that turned out...
prince

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