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Blame Amid the Tragedy

Blame Amid the Tragedy
Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents.

BY BOB WILLIAMS
Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

As the devastation of Hurricane Katrina continues to shock and sadden the nation, the question on many lips is, Who is to blame for the inadequate response?

As a former state legislator who represented the legislative district most impacted by the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980, I can fully understand and empathize with the people and public officials over the loss of life and property.

Many in the media are turning their eyes toward the federal government, rather than considering the culpability of city and state officials. I am fully aware of the challenges of having a quick and responsive emergency response to a major disaster. And there is definitely a time for accountability; but what isn't fair is to dump on the federal officials and avoid those most responsible--local and state officials who failed to do their job as the first responders. The plain fact is, lives were needlessly lost in New Orleans due to the failure of Louisiana's governor, Kathleen Blanco, and the city's mayor, Ray Nagin.

The primary responsibility for dealing with emergencies does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to local and state officials who are charged by law with the management of the crucial first response to disasters. First response should be carried out by local and state emergency personnel under the supervision of the state governor and his emergency operations center.

The actions and inactions of Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin are a national disgrace due to their failure to implement the previously established evacuation plans of the state and city. Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin cannot claim that they were surprised by the extent of the damage and the need to evacuate so many people. Detailed written plans were already in place to evacuate more than a million people. The plans projected that 300,000 people would need transportation in the event of a hurricane like Katrina. If the plans had been implemented, thousands of lives would likely have been saved.

In addition to the plans, local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill 13 months ago, in which widespread flooding supposedly trapped 300,000 people inside New Orleans. The exercise simulated the evacuation of more than a million residents. The problems identified in the simulation apparently were not solved.





A year ago, as Hurricane Ivan approached, New Orleans ordered an evacuation but did not use city or school buses to help people evacuate. As a result many of the poorest citizens were unable to evacuate. Fortunately, the hurricane changed course and did not hit New Orleans, but both Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin acknowledged the need for a better evacuation plan. Again, they did not take corrective actions. In 1998, during a threat by Hurricane George, 14,000 people were sent to the Superdome and theft and vandalism were rampant due to inadequate security. Again, these problems were not corrected.
The New Orleans contingency plan is still, as of this writing, on the city's Web site, and states: "The safe evacuation of threatened populations is one of the principle [sic] reasons for developing a Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan." But the plan was apparently ignored.

Mayor Nagin was responsible for giving the order for mandatory evacuation and supervising the actual evacuation: His Office of Emergency Preparedness (not the federal government) must coordinate with the state on elements of evacuation and assist in directing the transportation of evacuees to staging areas. Mayor Nagin had to be encouraged by the governor to contact the National Hurricane Center before he finally, belatedly, issued the order for mandatory evacuation. And sadly, it apparently took a personal call from the president to urge the governor to order the mandatory evacuation.

The city's evacuation plan states: "The city of New Orleans will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas." But even though the city has enough school and transit buses to evacuate 12,000 citizens per fleet run, the mayor did not use them. To compound the problem, the buses were not moved to high ground and were flooded. The plan also states that "special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves or who require specific lifesaving assistance. Additional personnel will be recruited to assist in evacuation procedures as needed." This was not done.

The evacuation plan warned that "if an evacuation order is issued without the mechanisms needed to disseminate the information to the affected persons, then we face the possibility of having large numbers of people either stranded and left to the mercy of a storm, or left in an area impacted by toxic materials." That is precisely what happened because of the mayor's failure.

Instead of evacuating the people, the mayor ordered the refugees to the Superdome and Convention Center without adequate security and no provisions for food, water and sanitary conditions. As a result people died, and there was even rape committed, in these facilities. Mayor Nagin failed in his responsibility to provide public safety and to manage the orderly evacuation of the citizens of New Orleans. Now he wants to blame Gov. Blanco and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In an emergency the first requirement is for the city's emergency center to be linked to the state emergency operations center. This was not done.





The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor. President Bush declared an emergency prior to Katrina hitting New Orleans, so the only action needed for federal assistance was for Gov. Blanco to request the specific type of assistance she needed. She failed to send a timely request for specific aid.
In addition, unlike the governors of New York, Oklahoma and California in past disasters, Gov. Blanco failed to take charge of the situation and ensure that the state emergency operation facility was in constant contact with Mayor Nagin and FEMA. It is likely that thousands of people died because of the failure of Gov. Blanco to implement the state plan, which mentions the possible need to evacuate up to one million people. The plan clearly gives the governor the authority for declaring an emergency, sending in state resources to the disaster area and requesting necessary federal assistance.

State legislators and governors nationwide need to update their contingency plans and the operation procedures for state emergency centers. Hurricane Katrina had been forecast for days, but that will not always be the case with a disaster (think of terrorist attacks). It must be made clear that the governor and locally elected officials are in charge of the "first response."

I am not attempting to excuse some of the delays in FEMA's response. Congress and the president need to take corrective action there, also. However, if citizens expect FEMA to be a first responder to terrorist attacks or other local emergencies (earthquakes, forest fires, volcanoes), they will be disappointed. The federal government's role is to offer aid upon request.

The Louisiana Legislature should conduct an immediate investigation into the failures of state and local officials to implement the written emergency plans. The tragedy is not over, and real leadership in the state and local government are essential in the months to come. More importantly, the hurricane season is still upon us, and local and state officials must stay focused on the jobs for which they were elected--and not on the deadly game of passing the emergency buck.

Mr. Williams is president of the Evergreen Freedom Foundation, a free market public policy research organization in Olympia, Wash.

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Reply #1 posted 09/07/05 8:17am

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The buck stops with the Commander-in-Chief. President George W Bush doesn't it?

The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor.


So the president has no authority here? The most powerfull office in the U.S is unable to intervene unless a governor approves it?


Damn...just who is in charge exactly?

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Reply #2 posted 09/07/05 8:20am

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LleeLlee said:

The buck stops with the Commander-in-Chief. President George W Bush doesn't it?

The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor.


So the president has no authority here? The most powerfull office in the U.S is unable to intervene unless a governor approves it?


Damn...just who is in charge exactly?



interstingly louisiana differs from the rest of the united states in that the napoleonic code, rather than common law, is applied.

i doubt that this had much effect on how things were handled, but just thought i'd throw that out there.

blame napoleon!!!!! smile

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Reply #3 posted 09/07/05 8:32am

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XxAxX said:

LleeLlee said:

The buck stops with the Commander-in-Chief. President George W Bush doesn't it?



So the president has no authority here? The most powerfull office in the U.S is unable to intervene unless a governor approves it?


Damn...just who is in charge exactly?



interstingly louisiana differs from the rest of the united states in that the napoleonic code, rather than common law, is applied.

i doubt that this had much effect on how things were handled, but just thought i'd throw that out there.

blame napoleon!!!!! smile


Heads should roll, but ultimate responsibility lies with the president.

If this was Tony Blair the members of parliament would be demanding his resignation!

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Reply #4 posted 09/07/05 8:39am

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Of course the mayor and governor could have done a better job. But that isn't the point of this punk's article. The point is about protecting his beloved president so that his organization's agenda of more tax cuts is not threatened.

Onyx made a song about guys like this once.

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Reply #5 posted 09/07/05 8:40am

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well , i thought it was bold - of the president to issue the "disaster zones " before the hurricane HIT ...

and i thought the mayor of New Orleans has done a terrible job ... he didnt warn the looters before they robbed .... wink

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Reply #6 posted 09/07/05 8:42am

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MisterMan38 said:

well , i thought it was bold - of the president to issue the "disaster zones " before the hurricane HIT ...

and i thought the mayor of New Orleans has done a terrible job ... he didnt warn the looters before they robbed .... wink


Surely you don't believe that our Commander in Chief has done a good job handling this disaster.

Please tell me you don't believe that.

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Reply #7 posted 09/07/05 8:44am

MisterMan38

this was the strongest hurricane --- category 5 --- hitting the poor neighborhoods that are below sea level !!! come on people ... its like saying when a tornado hits -- how come they always hit mobile homes !!??

with something like this --- people are gonna be displaced.... jobs not being able to gotten to .... and yes --- loved ones lost ... confused

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Reply #8 posted 09/07/05 9:50am

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MisterMan38 said:

this was the strongest hurricane --- category 5 --- hitting the poor neighborhoods that are below sea level !!! come on people ... its like saying when a tornado hits -- how come they always hit mobile homes !!??

with something like this --- people are gonna be displaced.... jobs not being able to gotten to .... and yes --- loved ones lost ... confused


That ain't the point. The point was how the feddy guv responded to it.

So, get past the failures of the local and state governments. Those are fairly evident.

Did the federal government do a good job? A simple yes or no will do.

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Reply #9 posted 09/07/05 10:08am

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Actually the money assigned to the prevention of such desaster was reduced in order to contribute to the war in Iraq. The government reduced the amount of money assigned to repairing the hoovers and such.

Also, a lot of soldiers who could have helped are currently in Iraq searching for this non-existent massive destruction weapons that Saddam was suppose to have according to W and that he ever had.

As P would say: do the math...

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Reply #10 posted 09/07/05 10:39am

MisterMan38

i think the government is doing a good job ... adequate ... hell ... i just read they are gonna get $2,000.00 debit cards ... damn .. i can buy alot of poptarts for $2,000 confused wink

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Reply #11 posted 09/07/05 10:49am

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MisterMan38 said:

i think the government is doing a good job ... adequate ... hell ... i just read they are gonna get $2,000.00 debit cards ... damn .. i can buy alot of poptarts for $2,000 confused wink


Yeah, and clothes, and an apartment, and medicine.

Oh wait . . .

just let them eat poptarts.

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Reply #12 posted 09/07/05 10:49am

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LleeLlee said:

The buck stops with the Commander-in-Chief. President George W Bush doesn't it?

The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor.


So the president has no authority here? The most powerfull office in the U.S is unable to intervene unless a governor approves it?


Damn...just who is in charge exactly?


If the federal gov. with FEMA is already set up to handle disasters and the president is relying on them to take care of things as they have always done in the past (we have had many a hurricane that destroyed things) then how is it all his fault if that agency fails?

Like a manager hires a security guard, with good references, goes home and returns to find the place ransacked and no guard in sight. Even if there were theft warnings in the area and the guard was qualified to handle it?

How is that all the managers fault?? The relief agencies were there and in effect.
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Eternaldragon said:

LleeLlee said:

The buck stops with the Commander-in-Chief. President George W Bush doesn't it?



So the president has no authority here? The most powerfull office in the U.S is unable to intervene unless a governor approves it?


Damn...just who is in charge exactly?


If the federal gov. with FEMA is already set up to handle disasters and the president is relying on them to take care of things as they have always done in the past (we have had many a hurricane that destroyed things) then how is it all his fault if that agency fails?

Like a manager hires a security guard, with good references, goes home and returns to find the place ransacked and no guard in sight. Even if there were theft warnings in the area and the guard was qualified to handle it?

How is that all the managers fault?? The relief agencies were there and in effect.
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It's ALWAYS the manager's responsibility... always.

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Reply #14 posted 09/07/05 11:12am

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MisterMan38 said:

i think the government is doing a good job ... adequate ... hell ... i just read they are gonna get $2,000.00 debit cards ... damn .. i can buy alot of poptarts for $2,000 confused wink


rolleyes

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Reply #15 posted 09/07/05 11:23am

MisterMan38

maybe instead of placing blame .... some of ya should just send $$$$

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Reply #16 posted 09/07/05 11:24am

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MisterMan38 said:

maybe instead of placing blame .... some of ya should just send $$$$


I did - and my company matched my contribution. biggrin

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Reply #17 posted 09/07/05 11:27am

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MisterMan38 said:

maybe instead of placing blame .... some of ya should just send $$$$


Yeah, write a check and forget how the government failed to respond effectively to a natural disaster that was predicted years, if not decades in advance. The government failed to perform one of its most essential functions.

But you don't want to talk about that? Do you even think this stuff through?

The 2 checks I wrote, and any other help I might send, does not obscure a clear failure of leadership, as you are so desperate to do.

I'm still waiting on an answer to the question.
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Reply #18 posted 09/07/05 11:29am

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MrTation said:

Blame Amid the Tragedy
Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents.


And Bush failed the state and the nation. This was a failure of national leadership. The rest of the country is dealing with sky high gas prices thanks to the failure of the national leadership to look at this region as strategically important to the country.

Instead of blaming Bush, why not blame the residents, uh- wait, you already are. You people are sick and twisted. Bush and nobody in the Bush administration should be held accountable for allowing AMERICAN CITIZENS to languish for 5 full days before sending assistance? Why not? This thing was bigger than the city of New Orleans or the State of Louisiana. Couple that with the Homeland Security Department, which swallowed up FEMA and then compound that with the fact that FEMA's funding was gutted and then to add insult to injury, Bush appointed someone to lead FEMA who had no experience.

And the infamous noose that the right always tries to hang on Democrats, namely "bureaucracy", well we can see that is a devil that this administration knows all too well. The people who are supposedly about less government have created the biggest government in history and created such a large organization that they were unable and unwilling to do anything until the people were begging for help.

Bush could murder a man right on national television and you apologists would claim he was innocent. The spin on this from Bush supporters is sickening and really should galvanize all minorities and the poor to see what both the Republican party and their core constuents think of you. Nothing. Vote for these creeps based on fake moral issues, you're the fool. They've abandoned you in your direst time of need. THAT'S NOT MORAL. You really should remember that in the future.

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Reply #19 posted 09/07/05 11:30am

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And hilarious that this thread decries the blame game, and then goes on to blame. hah!


In addition to the plans, local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill 13 months ago, in which widespread flooding supposedly trapped 300,000 people inside New Orleans. The exercise simulated the evacuation of more than a million residents. The problems identified in the simulation apparently were not solved.


There is quite a difference in a drill where a disaster has actually not occurred and your entire city being submerged. No doubt first response could have and should have been better on the local level, but the government failed to act for 5 DAMN DAYS!. FEMA officials were even saying in the beginning that they had no idea how bad things were, all the while all you had to do was turn on the damn television to see that those people needed help! The political ramifications on the right cannot come soon enough pray

As for officials failing to ask for assistance in a timely manner, I'm sure I'm not alone in watching them plea for help on TV day after day after day. Have Bush apologists already forgotten that so soon!?

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Reply #20 posted 09/07/05 11:39am

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MisterMan38 said:

maybe instead of placing blame .... some of ya should just send $$$$

You really should not come in here putting the oness on us. I too have contributed money to help the people. Stop shifting responsibility on everyone but the people at the top who abandoned the citizens of New Orleans.

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The trouble at the local level

Linda Chavez

September 7, 2005


"You and your family (yes, your children, too) should be dropped right in the middle of New Orleans and be forced to live there for three days, and maybe then your tight grip on the GOP might be loosened and you'll be awakened to the failures of the incompetent man sitting in the White House." Such is the vitriol spewing forth in the aftermath of Katrina from those who believe George W. Bush is responsible for all of life's misfortunes. I received this hateful e-mail after commenting on television that while the federal response to the crisis has shouldered most of the criticism, state and local officials bore major responsibility for the chaos that enveloped New Orleans in the immediate wake of the hurricane.

As it happened, my youngest son, Rudy, was in New Orleans as the storm approached the Gulf Coast, so I was acutely focused on what actions were being taken to evacuate the city. On Aug. 27, with the hurricane gaining force in the Gulf, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin called for a voluntary evacuation of the city. But even after he ordered a mandatory evacuation the next day, he made no plans to transport the elderly, the infirm, or those too poor to get themselves out, much less thousands of tourists stranded without cars. On the afternoon of Aug. 27, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco held a press briefing in which she answered a question about what could be done to avert disaster: "We can pray very hard that the intensity will weaken. We don't know what it's going to be yet, but we're all watching the weather service. I believe that's the best we can do right now." It was at that point that I knew my son was in real trouble.

The governor had the power to call out the National Guard in advance of the storm. Indeed, it was imperative that she do so if troops were to be available in the immediate hours after the hurricane hit since it takes 72 hours to fully mobilize. Gov. Blanco delayed taking crucial actions -- in fact, it was the president who called her to plead that she declare an emergency. "Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding," the Associated Press reported Aug. 28.

The city had hundreds of vehicles at its disposal: school buses, city buses, garbage trucks, and city cars. But the mayor failed to mobilize these or to set up procedures for all city employees to be available to assist in keeping order and organizing evacuation. For those unlucky enough to end up at the Superdome, no plans were in place to get thousands of desperate people out of there once the winds died down. My son was able to get out on Sunday before the storm hit. Thanks to quick thinking, lots of determination and a measure of good fortune, he managed to get a rental car at New Orleans airport and drove to Baton Rouge with four friends. But others were not so lucky.

In our federal system of government, the national government does not step in -- even in dire emergency -- until state officials request that help. But what do you do when those officials are dysfunctional, as they clearly were in Louisiana? According to The Washington Post, federal officials have asked the governor for "unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law." And, the Post reported, "Louisiana did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday, three state and federal officials said."

No doubt, the federal response to this crisis was far from flawless, but at the end of the day, it was federal troops that restored order, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers that plugged breaches in the levees, and federal forces that ultimately evacuated thousands of those trapped. Instead of blaming federal authorities, the country ought to be giving thanks.


Linda Chavez is President of the Center for Equal Opportunity, a Townhall.com partner organization.

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Reply #22 posted 09/07/05 12:03pm

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MrTation said:

The trouble at the local level

Linda Chavez

September 7, 2005


"You and your family (yes, your children, too) should be dropped right in the middle of New Orleans and be forced to live there for three days, and maybe then your tight grip on the GOP might be loosened and you'll be awakened to the failures of the incompetent man sitting in the White House." Such is the vitriol spewing forth in the aftermath of Katrina from those who believe George W. Bush is responsible for all of life's misfortunes. I received this hateful e-mail after commenting on television that while the federal response to the crisis has shouldered most of the criticism, state and local officials bore major responsibility for the chaos that enveloped New Orleans in the immediate wake of the hurricane.

As it happened, my youngest son, Rudy, was in New Orleans as the storm approached the Gulf Coast, so I was acutely focused on what actions were being taken to evacuate the city. On Aug. 27, with the hurricane gaining force in the Gulf, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin called for a voluntary evacuation of the city. But even after he ordered a mandatory evacuation the next day, he made no plans to transport the elderly, the infirm, or those too poor to get themselves out, much less thousands of tourists stranded without cars. On the afternoon of Aug. 27, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco held a press briefing in which she answered a question about what could be done to avert disaster: "We can pray very hard that the intensity will weaken. We don't know what it's going to be yet, but we're all watching the weather service. I believe that's the best we can do right now." It was at that point that I knew my son was in real trouble.

The governor had the power to call out the National Guard in advance of the storm. Indeed, it was imperative that she do so if troops were to be available in the immediate hours after the hurricane hit since it takes 72 hours to fully mobilize. Gov. Blanco delayed taking crucial actions -- in fact, it was the president who called her to plead that she declare an emergency. "Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding," the Associated Press reported Aug. 28.

The city had hundreds of vehicles at its disposal: school buses, city buses, garbage trucks, and city cars. But the mayor failed to mobilize these or to set up procedures for all city employees to be available to assist in keeping order and organizing evacuation. For those unlucky enough to end up at the Superdome, no plans were in place to get thousands of desperate people out of there once the winds died down. My son was able to get out on Sunday before the storm hit. Thanks to quick thinking, lots of determination and a measure of good fortune, he managed to get a rental car at New Orleans airport and drove to Baton Rouge with four friends. But others were not so lucky.

In our federal system of government, the national government does not step in -- even in dire emergency -- until state officials request that help. But what do you do when those officials are dysfunctional, as they clearly were in Louisiana? According to The Washington Post, federal officials have asked the governor for "unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law." And, the Post reported, "Louisiana did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday, three state and federal officials said."

No doubt, the federal response to this crisis was far from flawless, but at the end of the day, it was federal troops that restored order, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers that plugged breaches in the levees, and federal forces that ultimately evacuated thousands of those trapped. Instead of blaming federal authorities, the country ought to be giving thanks.


Linda Chavez is President of the Center for Equal Opportunity, a Townhall.com partner organization.


Again, Tation. The state and local governments screwed up. They did. I'll even concede for the purposes of the argument that everything that hackette Chavez said is right.

That being said, why are you and your hero trying to hide behind the governor's skirt?

Your boy failed, son.

Accept it.

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Reply #23 posted 09/07/05 12:09pm

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MrTation said:

No doubt, the federal response to this crisis was far from flawless, but at the end of the day, it was federal troops that restored order, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers that plugged breaches in the levees, and federal forces that ultimately evacuated thousands of those trapped. Instead of blaming federal authorities, the country ought to be giving thanks.


You just have to love this spin falloff

"far from flawless" How about disasterous.

confused

Thank you Republicans in Congress for gutting the funding to fix the levy system in the first place.

Thank you Republicans for manufacturing a war for money and oil which diverted money that should have gone towards fixing the levies.

Thank you Republicans for taking the national guard away from our country and sending them to Iraq to get blown up, I mean to bring freedom to those people. When these people needed them, they weren't there.

Thank you Bush for appointing someone with no experience to head FEMA, his non-response speaks volumes about your judgement.

Thank you Bush for ignoring the importance of this area of the country. Because of that we have $3.00 + prices for gas. Thank you so much touched

And lastly, thank you for abandoning Americans in their time of need.

We can all be thankful for these things pray

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Reply #24 posted 09/07/05 12:42pm

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believe it or not, it gets worse... here's our good friend Rush Limbaugh blaming the victims. does it get any lower than that? disbelief

Limbaugh linked New Orleans humanitarian disaster to "the welfare and entitlement thinking of government"

On the September 1 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh linked the humanitarian disaster in the wake of Hurricane Katrina to "the welfare and entitlement thinking of government." Referencing an entry in the American Thinker weblog by Thomas Lifson, who asserted that New Orleans failed to develop economically due to a history of corrupt and intrusive government, Limbaugh claimed that the urban poverty underlying the current humanitarian crisis is a result of social welfare programs: "If you, as a mayor, or if you, as a city council, run a city based on the welfare and entitlement thinking of government -- bammo! -- you're going to get poor citizens!"

Limbaugh also accused city officials of "passing the buck all over the place and accepting all the money that the government's sending in to you," instead of taking the initiative themselves to fix the levee system that was designed to help protect the city from flooding. He added, "[S]ocialism versus capitalism; entrepreneurialism and self-reliance versus the entitlement mentality -- so much on display here. That's what nobody's got the guts to say."

From the September 1 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show:

LIMBAUGH: So I run across Thomas Lifson's piece comparing Houston to New Orleans and why Houston shouldn't be the capital of the oil business in this country, but it is. And there are reasons for it. They have nothing to do with race. They have everything to do with politics. They have everything to do with worldview.

If you, as a mayor, or if you, as a city council, run a city based on the welfare and entitlement thinking of government -- bammo! -- you're going to get poor citizens! If you run a city that believes in entrepreneurialism and growth and so forth, you're not going to have as much of that.

But if your city believes that it's entitled, if that's, if that's the worldview of the leaders of a community, then I don't care what their race is -- if their worldview is that this is a welfare state -- "the government needs to protect us. The government needs to feed us. The government needs to transport us. The government" -- well, guess what? The government needs to build the levees. The government needs to make sure the levees are -- the government. You're passing the buck all over the place and accepting all the money that the government's sending in to you, ah, and then something like this happens and then you start, you know, wringing your hands.

"Oh, look how poor the population --" Well, what do you expect when you have a welfare state mentality as your city government? I mean, I'm not even being critical. I'm just trying to point out something obvious here! That -- talking about this for 18 years, folks -- socialism versus capitalism; entrepreneurialism and self-reliance versus the entitlement mentality -- so much on display here. That's what nobody's got the guts to say.

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Reply #25 posted 09/07/05 12:49pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

believe it or not, it gets worse... here's our good friend Rush Limbaugh blaming the victims. does it get any lower than that? disbelief

Limbaugh linked New Orleans humanitarian disaster to "the welfare and entitlement thinking of government"

On the September 1 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh linked the humanitarian disaster in the wake of Hurricane Katrina to "the welfare and entitlement thinking of government." Referencing an entry in the American Thinker weblog by Thomas Lifson, who asserted that New Orleans failed to develop economically due to a history of corrupt and intrusive government, Limbaugh claimed that the urban poverty underlying the current humanitarian crisis is a result of social welfare programs: "If you, as a mayor, or if you, as a city council, run a city based on the welfare and entitlement thinking of government -- bammo! -- you're going to get poor citizens!"

Limbaugh also accused city officials of "passing the buck all over the place and accepting all the money that the government's sending in to you," instead of taking the initiative themselves to fix the levee system that was designed to help protect the city from flooding. He added, "[S]ocialism versus capitalism; entrepreneurialism and self-reliance versus the entitlement mentality -- so much on display here. That's what nobody's got the guts to say."

From the September 1 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show:

LIMBAUGH: So I run across Thomas Lifson's piece comparing Houston to New Orleans and why Houston shouldn't be the capital of the oil business in this country, but it is. And there are reasons for it. They have nothing to do with race. They have everything to do with politics. They have everything to do with worldview.

If you, as a mayor, or if you, as a city council, run a city based on the welfare and entitlement thinking of government -- bammo! -- you're going to get poor citizens! If you run a city that believes in entrepreneurialism and growth and so forth, you're not going to have as much of that.

But if your city believes that it's entitled, if that's, if that's the worldview of the leaders of a community, then I don't care what their race is -- if their worldview is that this is a welfare state -- "the government needs to protect us. The government needs to feed us. The government needs to transport us. The government" -- well, guess what? The government needs to build the levees. The government needs to make sure the levees are -- the government. You're passing the buck all over the place and accepting all the money that the government's sending in to you, ah, and then something like this happens and then you start, you know, wringing your hands.

"Oh, look how poor the population --" Well, what do you expect when you have a welfare state mentality as your city government? I mean, I'm not even being critical. I'm just trying to point out something obvious here! That -- talking about this for 18 years, folks -- socialism versus capitalism; entrepreneurialism and self-reliance versus the entitlement mentality -- so much on display here. That's what nobody's got the guts to say.


Ah, the pill-popping, dropout-disguised-as-intellectual, racist demagogue finally weighs in by associating blacks with welfare and entitlements. He better be careful. Soon he may have a mandatory entitlement to a jail cell.

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Reply #26 posted 09/07/05 12:51pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

believe it or not, it gets worse... here's our good friend Rush Limbaugh blaming the victims. does it get any lower than that? disbelief

Limbaugh linked New Orleans humanitarian disaster to "the welfare and entitlement thinking of government"

On the September 1 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh linked the humanitarian disaster in the wake of Hurricane Katrina to "the welfare and entitlement thinking of government." Referencing an entry in the American Thinker weblog by Thomas Lifson, who asserted that New Orleans failed to develop economically due to a history of corrupt and intrusive government, Limbaugh claimed that the urban poverty underlying the current humanitarian crisis is a result of social welfare programs: "If you, as a mayor, or if you, as a city council, run a city based on the welfare and entitlement thinking of government -- bammo! -- you're going to get poor citizens!"

Limbaugh also accused city officials of "passing the buck all over the place and accepting all the money that the government's sending in to you," instead of taking the initiative themselves to fix the levee system that was designed to help protect the city from flooding. He added, "[S]ocialism versus capitalism; entrepreneurialism and self-reliance versus the entitlement mentality -- so much on display here. That's what nobody's got the guts to say."

From the September 1 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show:

LIMBAUGH: So I run across Thomas Lifson's piece comparing Houston to New Orleans and why Houston shouldn't be the capital of the oil business in this country, but it is. And there are reasons for it. They have nothing to do with race. They have everything to do with politics. They have everything to do with worldview.

If you, as a mayor, or if you, as a city council, run a city based on the welfare and entitlement thinking of government -- bammo! -- you're going to get poor citizens! If you run a city that believes in entrepreneurialism and growth and so forth, you're not going to have as much of that.

But if your city believes that it's entitled, if that's, if that's the worldview of the leaders of a community, then I don't care what their race is -- if their worldview is that this is a welfare state -- "the government needs to protect us. The government needs to feed us. The government needs to transport us. The government" -- well, guess what? The government needs to build the levees. The government needs to make sure the levees are -- the government. You're passing the buck all over the place and accepting all the money that the government's sending in to you, ah, and then something like this happens and then you start, you know, wringing your hands.

"Oh, look how poor the population --" Well, what do you expect when you have a welfare state mentality as your city government? I mean, I'm not even being critical. I'm just trying to point out something obvious here! That -- talking about this for 18 years, folks -- socialism versus capitalism; entrepreneurialism and self-reliance versus the entitlement mentality -- so much on display here. That's what nobody's got the guts to say.


If the private sector is the end all be all, then Texas wouldn't be crying about having to deal with the displaced now would they? They would have all the resources necessary to deal with anything that came their way right? Why isn't the south an economic powerhouse to Rival the State of California if this entraprenurial and capitalistic spirit is so loved and followed? Why would Texas have huge numbers of impoverished citizens itself?

Rush Limbaugh and the Right Wing party are a bunch or racist pricks that care about nothing but themselves. The private sector was never going to be able to step into such a huge crisis. The people of this country are so damn gullible that they believe that these people are poor because they don't embrace unchecked capitalism. It's things like unchecked capitalism that leads people to the poorhouse in the first place. It's always about making a buck at any and everybody's expense and if someone falls behind or through the tracks, too fucking bad for them, we got our money and that's all that matters.

I can't even express with words what I want to happen to these sick fuckers. Whoever said that these disasters never affect the people who truly deserve it, wasn't lying.

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Reply #27 posted 09/07/05 12:55pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



If the private sector is the end all be all, then Texas wouldn't be crying about having to deal with the displaced now would they? They would have all the resources necessary to deal with anything that came their way right? Why isn't the south an economic powerhouse to Rival the State of California if this entraprenurial and capitalistic spirit is so loved and followed? Why would Texas have huge numbers of impoverished citizens itself?

Rush Limbaugh and the Right Wing party are a bunch or racist pricks that care about nothing but themselves. The private sector was never going to be able to step into such a huge crisis. The people of this country are so damn gullible that they believe that these people are poor because they don't embrace unchecked capitalism. It's things like unchecked capitalism that leads people to the poorhouse in the first place. It's always about making a buck at any and everybody's expense and if someone falls behind or through the tracks, too fucking bad for them, we got our money and that's all that matters.
I can't even express with words what I want to happen to these sick fuckers. Whoever said that these disasters never affect the people who truly deserve it, wasn't lying.

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[Edited 9/7/05 12:52pm]


i HAVE to believe that people are seeing the light, as you are. otherwise, i'd have to stick my head in the oven and call it a day. confused

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Reply #28 posted 09/07/05 12:56pm

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namepeace said:



Ah, the pill-popping, dropout-disguised-as-intellectual, racist demagogue finally weighs in by associating blacks with welfare and entitlements. He better be careful. Soon he may have a mandatory entitlement to a jail cell.


what's the latest on that?

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Reply #29 posted 09/07/05 2:08pm

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LleeLlee said:

The buck stops with the Commander-in-Chief. President George W Bush doesn't it?



So the president has no authority here? The most powerfull office in the U.S is unable to intervene unless a governor approves it?


Damn...just who is in charge exactly?


If the federal gov. with FEMA is already set up to handle disasters and the president is relying on them to take care of things as they have always done in the past (we have had many a hurricane that destroyed things) then how is it all his fault if that agency fails?

Like a manager hires a security guard, with good references, goes home and returns to find the place ransacked and no guard in sight. Even if there were theft warnings in the area and the guard was qualified to handle it?

How is that all the managers fault?? The relief agencies were there and in effect.
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This whole disaster makes Bush appear as if he has no authority/control over his own government agencies. He was responsible for ensuring that FEMA responded to this emergency in a way that was appropriate and effective. They did nothing for five days and where was he? on holiday. He could have picked up the phone...and asked why these people were not being helped, but he didn't. With powerful positions in government, comes responsibility, not just photo ops of kissing babies etc. If Bush had dealt with this in an effective and timely manner you would have been applauding him and saying what a great strong leader you have, how he cares about his citizens. It is his responsibility to "manage" his government to ensure that at times like this his citizens can rely them for help. Just what kind of office is he running when his employees were sitting on their arses twiddling their thumbs while people were dying? He has all the power to start wars but none when it comes to safe guarding the lives of his own citizens. He is inept and he has surrounded himself with inept people. He bears the brunt of the responsiblity for this. We're not talking about a ransacked office, we're talking about thousands dead, and people that could have been saved if they hadn't been abandoned. If the "manager" is incapapble of managing his office questions need to be asked..


It looks like he didnt give a damn...and that he couldnt coordinate his way out of a paper bag from over here.

that is all....

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