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Printable version (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)sosgemini said:[quote] applekisses said: and the reasoning for your b-control use is hormone related, is it not? could you not recieve hormone pills versus b-control pills? With all due respect, don't you think it is the choice of the woman and her doctor and not you, or I, or the pharmacist or any man to decide the treatment the woman/doctor prefers? In natural circumstances fertilized eggs flush out with the menstrual cycle and do not implant onto the uterine wall. Are we to call that murder? This whole debate is just plain downright fuckin ridiculous. Women should have the right to control their reproductive future period. People say we don't live in the dark ages and the way in which people want to reduce a woman to a baby machine indicates otherwise. 2009: Mermaids and Dolphins... | |
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sosgemini said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: It's absolutely not a stretch. If birthcontrol had nothing to do with healthcare, doctors would not be prescrbing it and it would be available over the counter like Halls cough drops. its "managed" by doctors because of the active ingredients and the need to regulate the amount of hormones it contains... following that logic are we to believe that rogaine is healthcare? Rogaine is sold over the counter. Measure in Love 
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: sosgemini said: its "managed" by doctors because of the active ingredients and the need to regulate the amount of hormones it contains... following that logic are we to believe that rogaine is healthcare? Now who's stretching? Big time difference between maintaining and controlling your reproductive choices and putting hair on your head. To the point that mental health is considered a part of "healthcare", forcing women to not have the option to care for their own bodies can cause a person undue distress. undue distress? by what? having unprotected sex and giving birth? now we are jumping from healthcare to mental well being? i see it this way, women have the right to their own productive organs....period!! i agree with that right not out of concern for her mental well being....i do this because she should be in control of her own body..just like a business person has control of his/her own business... its really that simple...everything beyond that is just ranting and raving for no reason..... Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. | |
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applekisses said: sosgemini said: its not sexist..it wasnt intended and apologies if you felt it was...however, i could easily have used a nose-job or any other selective surgery....and i stand by my opinion that b-control pills are not a health neccessity.....its an option....sure, the option to take them reduces your chances of pregnancy...but its a choice...your individual choice....dont put that on this entire world...take pride that you have that choice...but i dont see it fair that this person has to be involved in what comes down to your own business....find an alternative way of getting your pills.....there out there... and the reasoning for your b-control use is hormone related, is it not? could you not recieve hormone pills versus b-control pills? Birth control pills are the "option" with the highest rate of success in preventing pregancy. How do you feel about putting a bunch of unwanted children on the world? Also, my DOCTOR prescribed birth control pills (not hormone pills) for my migraines. She is a specialist in her field. She did not prescribe them to me for birth control. i am pro-choice.....but this isnt an issue of choice..its an issue of business having equal rights as woman... the US Supreme court has already ruled as such.... Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. | |
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applekisses said: sosgemini said: its "managed" by doctors because of the active ingredients and the need to regulate the amount of hormones it contains... following that logic are we to believe that rogaine is healthcare? Rogaine is sold over the counter. Rogaine at one point was a prescription only product...Just like numerous dandriff, skin care and assorted other items are today... Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:[quote] sosgemini said: applekisses said: and the reasoning for your b-control use is hormone related, is it not? could you not recieve hormone pills versus b-control pills? With all due respect, don't you think it is the choice of the woman and her doctor and not you, or I, or the pharmacist or any man to decide the treatment the woman/doctor prefers? In natural circumstances fertilized eggs flush out with the menstrual cycle and do not implant onto the uterine wall. Are we to call that murder? This whole debate is just plain downright fuckin ridiculous. Women should have the right to control their reproductive future period. People say we don't live in the dark ages and the way in which people want to reduce a woman to a baby machine indicates otherwise. nobody is arguing with anything you are saying within this statement.....so why do you keep drudging up a womans right? we all agree a woman has the right..... but what about this pharmacist right? as a business man does he not have the right? Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. | |
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sosgemini said: applekisses said: Rogaine is sold over the counter. Rogaine at one point was a prescription only product...Just like numerous dandriff, skin care and assorted other items are today... But, it's not anymore. That was a bad example. Measure in Love
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sosgemini said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Now who's stretching? Big time difference between maintaining and controlling your reproductive choices and putting hair on your head. To the point that mental health is considered a part of "healthcare", forcing women to not have the option to care for their own bodies can cause a person undue distress. undue distress? by what? having unprotected sex and giving birth? now we are jumping from healthcare to mental well being? i see it this way, women have the right to their own productive organs....period!! i agree with that right not out of concern for her mental well being....i do this because she should be in control of her own body..just like a business person has control of his/her own business... its really that simple...everything beyond that is just ranting and raving for no reason..... You'll just have to excuse me as I go off here.... For no reason? FOR GOOD REASON! Forget already that she has a million and one fucking ways to get her pills. Preventing unwanted children is a damn good reason wouldn't you say? This man is standing in the way of her right to recieve the healthcare that her doctor sees fit. As long as these pills are prescribed by a doctor I'm sorry to say it falls under healthcare. It's absolutely insane that anybody supports this asshole in the name of business rights. 2009: Mermaids and Dolphins... | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: sosgemini said: undue distress? by what? having unprotected sex and giving birth? now we are jumping from healthcare to mental well being? i see it this way, women have the right to their own productive organs....period!! i agree with that right not out of concern for her mental well being....i do this because she should be in control of her own body..just like a business person has control of his/her own business... its really that simple...everything beyond that is just ranting and raving for no reason..... You'll just have to excuse me as I go off here.... For no reason? FOR GOOD REASON! Forget already that she has a million and one fucking ways to get her pills. Preventing unwanted children is a damn good reason wouldn't you say? This man is standing in the way of her right to recieve the healthcare that her doctor sees fit. As long as these pills are prescribed by a doctor I'm sorry to say it falls under healthcare. It's absolutely insane that anybody supports this asshole in the name of business rights. 
Here, here. Not to mention...I'm sure there are many other women out there like me who were prescribed b.control pills for reasons other than FOR birth control. My DOCTOR prescribed the pill to me for my migraines...for my well-being and HEALTH. Therefore, I should be able to fill that prescription at any pharmacy. And as I've said before...I'm within child-bearing age and my body will use this medication to control ovulation AND to control hormone levels. SO...this guy would be preventing me from getting treatment for my migraines. He should be put out of business. Measure in Love
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: sosgemini said: undue distress? by what? having unprotected sex and giving birth? now we are jumping from healthcare to mental well being? i see it this way, women have the right to their own productive organs....period!! i agree with that right not out of concern for her mental well being....i do this because she should be in control of her own body..just like a business person has control of his/her own business... its really that simple...everything beyond that is just ranting and raving for no reason..... You'll just have to excuse me as I go off here.... For no reason? FOR GOOD REASON! Forget already that she has a million and one fucking ways to get her pills. Preventing unwanted children is a damn good reason wouldn't you say? This man is standing in the way of her right to recieve the healthcare that her doctor sees fit. As long as these pills are prescribed by a doctor I'm sorry to say it falls under healthcare. It's absolutely insane that anybody supports this asshole in the name of business rights. and like ive said..the Supreme Court of the USA has already ruled that business have equal rights under protection as humans....thus this individual would probably have good reason *not* to sell them..... and im all for preventing unwanted children..but im also all for woman taking full accountability for their bodies...if you wanna have sex and you want the birth control pills, (now its my turn to say excuse me) then FUCKING FIND A WAY TO GET THEM....IF THEY ARE THAT FUCKING IMPORTANT.... there, im done..  Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. | |
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sosgemini said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: With all due respect, don't you think it is the choice of the woman and her doctor and not you, or I, or the pharmacist or any man to decide the treatment the woman/doctor prefers? In natural circumstances fertilized eggs flush out with the menstrual cycle and do not implant onto the uterine wall. Are we to call that murder? This whole debate is just plain downright fuckin ridiculous. Women should have the right to control their reproductive future period. People say we don't live in the dark ages and the way in which people want to reduce a woman to a baby machine indicates otherwise. nobody is arguing with anything you are saying within this statement.....so why do you keep drudging up a womans right? we all agree a woman has the right..... but what about this pharmacist right? as a business man does he not have the right? As a PHARMACIST does he have that right? That is the question! If he has absolutely no legal obligation to provide the service as a healthcare provider, then you may have a point in this whole business owner argument. But if he is failing to live up to his legal obligations, and it sounds like it if he's only basing his decision on a moral basis on not whether or not the prescription may harm the patient as indicated in SPCM's post above on Texas state pharmacy rules on what basis a pharmacist may make that judgement call...thenyour whole private business owner rights argument has no merit. 2009: Mermaids and Dolphins... | |
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sosgemini said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: With all due respect, don't you think it is the choice of the woman and her doctor and not you, or I, or the pharmacist or any man to decide the treatment the woman/doctor prefers? In natural circumstances fertilized eggs flush out with the menstrual cycle and do not implant onto the uterine wall. Are we to call that murder? This whole debate is just plain downright fuckin ridiculous. Women should have the right to control their reproductive future period. People say we don't live in the dark ages and the way in which people want to reduce a woman to a baby machine indicates otherwise. nobody is arguing with anything you are saying within this statement.....so why do you keep drudging up a womans right? we all agree a woman has the right..... but what about this pharmacist right? as a business man does he not have the right? The right to prevent people from getting adequate healthcare? NO...I'm sorry...he does not have that right. He gave that up when he graduated from Pharmacists school. He should have been a construction worker or something else. Measure in Love
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applekisses said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: You'll just have to excuse me as I go off here.... For no reason? FOR GOOD REASON! Forget already that she has a million and one fucking ways to get her pills. Preventing unwanted children is a damn good reason wouldn't you say? This man is standing in the way of her right to recieve the healthcare that her doctor sees fit. As long as these pills are prescribed by a doctor I'm sorry to say it falls under healthcare. It's absolutely insane that anybody supports this asshole in the name of business rights.
Here, here. Not to mention...I'm sure there are many other women out there like me who were prescribed b.control pills for reasons other than FOR birth control. My DOCTOR prescribed the pill to me for my migraines...for my well-being and HEALTH. Therefore, I should be able to fill that prescription at any pharmacy. And as I've said before...I'm within child-bearing age and my body will use this medication to control ovulation AND to control hormone levels. SO...this guy would be preventing me from getting treatment for my migraines. He should be put out of business. there are alternative medication that can be used to control your migraines...my male business partner uses them...its just convenient for you to get your b-control pills and your migraine medication in one shot...dont cloud the issues here... gee...  Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. | |
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Here, here. Not to mention...I'm sure there are many other women out there like me who were prescribed b.control pills for reasons other than FOR birth control. My DOCTOR prescribed the pill to me for my migraines...for my well-being and HEALTH. Therefore, I should be able to fill that prescription at any pharmacy. And as I've said before...I'm within child-bearing age and my body will use this medication to control ovulation AND to control hormone levels. SO...this guy would be preventing me from getting treatment for my migraines. He should be put out of business. there are alternative medication that can be used to control your migraines...my male business partner uses them...its just convenient for you to get your b-control pills and your migraine medication in one shot...dont cloud the issues here... gee... And you've gotten your degree in medicine from WHERE? For your information, I am on THREE different kinds of medication for my migraines. Also, your MALE business partner obviously doesn't have the problem of getting migraines from his periods! I don't take b. control pills FOR birth control! You are really stepping over the line here. Measure in Love
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applekisses said: sosgemini said: there are alternative medication that can be used to control your migraines...my male business partner uses them...its just convenient for you to get your b-control pills and your migraine medication in one shot...dont cloud the issues here... gee... And you've gotten your degree in medicine from WHERE? For your information, I am on THREE different kinds of medication for my migraines. Also, your MALE business partner obviously doesn't have the problem of getting migraines from his periods! I don't take b. control pills FOR birth control! You are really stepping over the line here. hey, you yourself above said you use them for migrains *and* b-control.....im not stepping over any lines..you said it.. 
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sosgemini said: applekisses said: And you've gotten your degree in medicine from WHERE? For your information, I am on THREE different kinds of medication for my migraines. Also, your MALE business partner obviously doesn't have the problem of getting migraines from his periods! I don't take b. control pills FOR birth control! You are really stepping over the line here. hey, you yourself above said you use them for migrains *and* b-control.....im not stepping over any lines..you said it..
(a current by prescription only hairgrowth shampoo)No...I said MY BODY would use the pill for BOTH. Not that I TAKE the medication for both. And you ARE stepping over the line. Measure in Love
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SOS, you need a serious spanking!!! 2009: Mermaids and Dolphins... | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: SOS, you need a serious spanking!!!
 And I'm not feeling frisky right now 
OK, I've taken a cold shower and can give you a momentary hug   
hey, this is fun....sorry apples if you think im crossing the line but i just dont see the validity in your arguements..im trying to, but i dont...but thats the glory of this world, we all dont have to see eye to eye.....no im not a doctor..but i know women and men who have had migraines and i think i can share enough of my learned knowedge to debate this issue..... for the first time in my life i find myself in the middle of political views.....and sorta jazzed by that..means im not too extreme in my belief system...(not saying anyone else on this thread is)... anyways...there isnt anything wrong with respecting a womans right and a businesses...for me!! Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. | |
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Back to business sosgemini said: and im all for preventing unwanted children..but im also all for woman taking full accountability for their bodies... Isn't that what she's doing by going to the pharmacy to fill her prescription????!!!!! if you wanna have sex and you want the birth control pills, (now its my turn to say excuse me) then FUCKING FIND A WAY TO GET THEM....IF THEY ARE THAT FUCKING IMPORTANT....
this person is creating a hardship for this woman and the women in the town so he can achieve his sick objective of forcing women not to have the option to get birth control and therefore get pregnant! I don't understand why you think and feel it's completely acceptable to put roadblocks in front of people who do not want children. A person shouldn't have to travel clear cross the country to fill a prescription!!! She happens to live in a part of the country that these wackos flourish. What happens if she travels to the next town and cannot get them there because another maniac engages in the same tactics? I mean really now! . [This message was edited Tue Aug 17 15:16:51 2004 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy] 2009: Mermaids and Dolphins... | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Back to business
sosgemini said: and im all for preventing unwanted children..but im also all for woman taking full accountability for their bodies... Isn't that what she's doing by going to the pharmacy to fill her prescription????!!!!! if you wanna have sex and you want the birth control pills, (now its my turn to say excuse me) then FUCKING FIND A WAY TO GET THEM....IF THEY ARE THAT FUCKING IMPORTANT....
this person is creating a hardship for this woman and the women in the town so he can achieve his sick objective of forcing women not to have the option to get birth control and therefore get pregnant! I don't understand why you think and feel it's completely acceptable to put roadblocks in front of people who do not want children. A person shouldn't have to travel clear cross the country to fill a prescription!!! She happens to live in a part of the country that these wackos flourish. What happens if she travels to the next town and cannot get them there because another maniac engages in the same tactics? I mean really now! hardship huh? that she has to go across town to the WalMart? come on now.....the article has already specified she coudl go there.....once again, more extreme rhetoric that has nothing to do with reality... Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. | |
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sosgemini said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Back to business
this person is creating a hardship for this woman and the women in the town so he can achieve his sick objective of forcing women not to have the option to get birth control and therefore get pregnant! I don't understand why you think and feel it's completely acceptable to put roadblocks in front of people who do not want children. A person shouldn't have to travel clear cross the country to fill a prescription!!! She happens to live in a part of the country that these wackos flourish. What happens if she travels to the next town and cannot get them there because another maniac engages in the same tactics? I mean really now! hardship huh? that she has to go across town to the WalMart? come on now.....the article has already specified she coudl go there.....once again, more extreme rhetoric that has nothing to do with reality... It does. Every person is not you or I who have ready access at our reach. If she lives in a rural town and does not have transpo etc.... that's not rhetoric. IT's reality. 2009: Mermaids and Dolphins... | |
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Does he also refuse condom sales? I'm guessing not. It's a healthcare option, plain and simple. Reproductive health is just as important as cardio-vascular health. Whatta sexist jackass. |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: sosgemini said: hardship huh? that she has to go across town to the WalMart? come on now.....the article has already specified she coudl go there.....once again, more extreme rhetoric that has nothing to do with reality... It does. Every person is not you or I who have ready access at our reach. If she lives in a rural town and does not have transpo etc.... that's not rhetoric. IT's reality. well, if having b-control is that important to her then she needs to high tail her ass over there..if she starts walking now she might make it there by next tuesday... im a liberal but i aint bleeding.... Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. | |
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sosgemini said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: SOS, you need a serious spanking!!!
And I'm not feeling frisky right now
OK, I've taken a cold shower and can give you a momentary hug
hey, this is fun....sorry apples if you think im crossing the line but i just dont see the validity in your arguements..im trying to, but i dont...but thats the glory of this world, we all dont have to see eye to eye.....no im not a doctor..but i know women and men who have had migraines and i think i can share enough of my learned knowedge to debate this issue..... for the first time in my life i find myself in the middle of political views.....and sorta jazzed by that..means im not too extreme in my belief system...(not saying anyone else on this thread is)... anyways...there isnt anything wrong with respecting a womans right and a businesses...for me!! Well...why don't you call my doctor then and get my medications changed? Again, my doctor is a SPECIALIST in her field...I'm sure she'd LOVE to hear what you have to say in your infinate knowledge. And, you know what...it doesn't surprise me that you don't want to see the validity in my arguments. You have spouted sexist bullshit on this thread over and over again. Measure in Love
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sosgemini said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: It does. Every person is not you or I who have ready access at our reach. If she lives in a rural town and does not have transpo etc.... that's not rhetoric. IT's reality. well, if having b-control is that important to her then she needs to high tail her ass over there..if she starts walking now she might make it there by next tuesday... im a liberal but i aint bleeding.... [snip-sos] Measure in Love
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applekisses..dont..
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applekisses said: sosgemini said: well, if having b-control is that important to her then she needs to high tail her ass over there..if she starts walking now she might make it there by next tuesday... im a liberal but i aint bleeding.... [snip-sos] convenient that you can edit reactions to your own posts, huh? Measure in Love
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dont make this issue personal...debate the subject but dont make it personal... thanks!!! You've already made it personal by telling me that my doctor's choice of therapy for me is not valid and I am using it as an excuse to get birth control! How much more fucking personal can you get that that!?! Measure in Love
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applekisses said: sosgemini said: applekisses..dont..
dont make this issue personal...debate the subject but dont make it personal... thanks!!! You've already made it personal by telling me that my doctor's choice of therapy for me is not valid and I am using it as an excuse to get birth control! How much more fucking personal can you get that that!?! yes, but am i calling you names? come on now..you created this thread full knowing there would be discussion on the issue....i am not attacking your personal beliefs..i simply disagree with them..... and your right, i personally think your doctor has alternative remedies to your migrains.....but thats my personal opinion...dont get upset over it....come on now..lighten up..its just a debate.. Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. | |
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sosgemini said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: It does. Every person is not you or I who have ready access at our reach. If she lives in a rural town and does not have transpo etc.... that's not rhetoric. IT's reality. well, if having b-control is that important to her then she needs to high tail her ass over there..if she starts walking now she might make it there by next tuesday... im a liberal but i aint bleeding.... Well why don't we just cut to the fuckin chase then and have women start wearing veiled hijabs. Let's just take away all their rights and treat them like they do in 3rd world countries....worse than stray dogs. I can't believe as a gay man you stand behind and support this guys "right" to deny this woman healthcare business rights or not. So some asshole can just make it so that a woman now needs to walk miles and miles and miles to obtain a legal prescription he's probably supposed to be providing her under Texas law? I agree she should do what she needs to do to get her prescription, and that should include telling her boyfriend or husband to fuck off for thinking about touching her. Perhaps if men felt the brunt of this they would take as much interest and action against this stupid asshole who is so misguided it's not even funny. . [This message was edited Tue Aug 17 15:43:21 2004 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy] 2009: Mermaids and Dolphins... | |
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