EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

I can tell, I had a crush on Helen Slater back in the day

I saw Supergirl when I was very young. Maybe about 3 or 4. We had it on video. I always remember liking it. Then I seen it years later and was bitterly disappointed. Not just with the movie but with myself for not having better taste as a child.

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

That what was wrong with it. What makes Superman/Batman relationship interesting is Superman being the boy scout and Batman the "bad boy" (the ying and yang). Now a days they want to make everybody dark and moody (the anti-hero) which to me I find very boring

I agree with that. Too many movies try to go the moody, gritty route and that's all well and good with characters like Batman, who, when you think about it, he's not really a good guy himself, but for Superman, he's supposed to represent hope, truth, justice, all the good stuff. His reason for becoming a hero isn't because his parents were killed. He's a hero because he's come from a loving home in Smallville and feels like it's his duty to use his powers to help those in need. The original Christopher Reeve movie is a perfect example of a Superman origin story done right. Another great example is the first episode of the Dean Cain series. And I'm not just saying that because I'm biased towards Dean Cain. I mean, I AM biased towards Dean Cain but even if I wasn't, I still think that the first episode, which was feature length, is the best live action Superman story since Richard Donner's Superman 2.

A dude with godlike powers decides to give them up for an ugly, chain-smoking Lois Lane - then he gets his ass kicked. They should have left that out of the script, lol.

MoS is the fist Superman film I actually enjoyed throughout - none of those corny magic tricks (like making the earth spin backwards,,,please). And they actually gave him worthy villains to fight. At first he's overmatched, because the Kryptonians are military-trained warriors while Supes is learning on-the-job. His advantage is having better control over his powers from spending years on earth. I thought that was well done. For me, MoS still captures the essence of Superman despite it's dark edge.

WB may have fucked up the DCEU, but so far they got their MonsterVerse right.

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The problem with the DCEU is that Warner Bros. was too intent on trying to cash in on their characters without bringing in decent origin movies to set it up (sans Wonder Woman). They also got too caught up in the whole Christopher Nolanesque vision of the DCEU. While the dark, gritty undertones worked brilliantly in the Batman triology, they forgot that Batman/Bruce Wayne was a dark character to begin with, and he is different from Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, the Flash, and the other DC characters who are supposed to be white knights doing good for humanity. They also shouldn't have rushed Batman and Superman into a movie together so soon, and they shouldn't have killled off Superman in the process. Even Marvel was smart enough to build a series of stand-alone movies to build up to the Avengers and had done several stand-alone character movies before they did Civil War, which is what the DCEU should have done with BvS, and the Justice League movie shouldn't have been done until they had stand-alone movies with Batman, another Superman, Aquman, and the Flash already completed.

uPtoWnNY said:

728huey said:

The problem with the DCEU is that Warner Bros. was too intent on trying to cash in on their characters without bringing in decent origin movies to set it up (sans Wonder Woman). They also got too caught up in the whole Christopher Nolanesque vision of the DCEU. While the dark, gritty undertones worked brilliantly in the Batman triology, they forgot that Batman/Bruce Wayne was a dark character to begin with, and he is different from Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, the Flash, and the other DC characters who are supposed to be white knights doing good for humanity. They also shouldn't have rushed Batman and Superman into a movie together so soon, and they shouldn't have killled off Superman in the process. Even Marvel was smart enough to build a series of stand-alone movies to build up to the Avengers and had done several stand-alone character movies before they did Civil War, which is what the DCEU should have done with BvS, and the Justice League movie shouldn't have been done until they had stand-alone movies with Batman, another Superman, Aquman, and the Flash already completed.

Pure greed from non-creative corporate suits.

EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said:

A dude with godlike powers decides to give them up for an ugly, chain-smoking Lois Lane - then he gets his ass kicked. They should have left that out of the script, lol.

MoS is the fist Superman film I actually enjoyed throughout - none of those corny magic tricks (like making the earth spin backwards,,,please). And they actually gave him worthy villains to fight. At first he's overmatched, because the Kryptonians are military-trained warriors while Supes is learning on-the-job. His advantage is having better control over his powers from spending years on earth. I thought that was well done. For me, MoS still captures the essence of Superman despite it's dark edge.

WB may have fucked up the DCEU, but so far they got their MonsterVerse right.

[Edited 9/22/18 6:11am]

Terence Stamp is a far far better General Zod that Michael Shannon. And the other two Kryptonians from MoS are so forgettable that I can't even remember what they looked like.

EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said:

A dude with godlike powers decides to give them up for an ugly, chain-smoking Lois Lane - then he gets his ass kicked. They should have left that out of the script, lol.

MoS is the fist Superman film I actually enjoyed throughout - none of those corny magic tricks (like making the earth spin backwards,,,please). And they actually gave him worthy villains to fight. At first he's overmatched, because the Kryptonians are military-trained warriors while Supes is learning on-the-job. His advantage is having better control over his powers from spending years on earth. I thought that was well done. For me, MoS still captures the essence of Superman despite it's dark edge.

WB may have fucked up the DCEU, but so far they got their MonsterVerse right.

[Edited 9/22/18 6:11am]

Terence Stamp is a far far better General Zod that Michael Shannon. And the other two Kryptonians from MoS are so forgettable that I can't even remember what they looked like.

Stamp was ok, but a little too campy for me. Shannon's Zod is one of my favorite movie bad guys - malevolent, willing to committ genocide to preserve his own race.

uPtoWnNY said:

EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said: Terence Stamp is a far far better General Zod that Michael Shannon. And the other two Kryptonians from MoS are so forgettable that I can't even remember what they looked like.

Stamp was ok, but a little too campy for me. Shannon's Zod is one of my favorite movie bad guys - malevolent, willing to committ genocide to preserve his own race.

No he wasn't. Was a bad mother..................

kpowers said:

happinessinitsuncutform said:

Either he’s out or not, casting should be the least of DC’s problems - but something tells me they dont get that. But speaking of, I think a new Batman is overdue. I just find Ben Affleck’s over-acting so exhausting to watch!

I was worried about him playing the Dark Knight at first, but he proved me wrong in BvS. His Batman was as good as Bale's. The scene at the warehouse when he rescues Martha is my favorite fight scene in any superhero movie. He's totally badass and vicious taking down mfers.

kpowers said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Stamp was ok, but a little too campy for me. Shannon's Zod is one of my favorite movie bad guys - malevolent, willing to committ genocide to preserve his own race.

No he wasn't. Was a bad mother..................

Stamp's Zod was a sinister tyrant/dictator whose plan was to rule over humanity.

Shannon's Zod was more menacing - a cold- blooded military man/straight up killer. He wants to preserve Kryptonian culture at any cost, even if means genocide. Both were good for thier time.

New Joker Camera test:

https://twitter.com/wbpic...05/video/1

New Joker pics and footage:

https://twitter.com/CrisM...73/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Pagmy...48/photo/1
https://twitter.com/HYPEB...45/photo/1

http://www.tmz.com/2018/0...n-filming/

Neversin.

Neversin said:

New Joker Camera test:

https://twitter.com/wbpic...05/video/1

New Joker pics and footage:

https://twitter.com/CrisM...73/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Pagmy...48/photo/1
https://twitter.com/HYPEB...45/photo/1

http://www.tmz.com/2018/0...n-filming/

Neversin.

He's already a Scorpio. This could be practically perfect.

uPtoWnNY said:

happinessinitsuncutform said:

Either he’s out or not, casting should be the least of DC’s problems - but something tells me they dont get that. But speaking of, I think a new Batman is overdue. I just find Ben Affleck’s over-acting so exhausting to watch!

I was worried about him playing the Dark Knight at first, but he proved me wrong in BvS. His Batman was as good as Bale's. The scene at the warehouse when he rescues Martha is my favorite fight scene in any superhero movie. He's totally badass and vicious taking down mfers.

Co-sign. I really like Ben Affleck´s interpretation of Batman, and I feel kind of sorry for him that the DC movies are kind of meh.

And he seems to have put his heart into the role, too. A true fan.

I wish he´d make more Batman movies.

Ben Afflick. Honestly he did a better job doing Batman than I thought he would. However I still wish they didn't cast him. Mostly because his age, if there is Justice League part 3 and 4 Ben would be in his 50's. Also I don't seem doing it for the long run. Mostly I just see Ben Afflick and not Bruce Wayne/Batman. I wished they hired a relatively unknown actor for the role, like a Kevin Conroy type. Like Gal Gabot and Henry Cavill are pretty much new to me so I have an easy time associating them with the characters unlike Ben Afflick.

kpowers said:

Ben Afflick. Honestly he did a better job doing Batman than I thought he would. However I still wish they didn't cast him. Mostly because his age, if there is Justice League part 3 and 4 Ben would be in his 50's. Also I don't seem doing it for the long run. Mostly I just see Ben Afflick and not Bruce Wayne/Batman. I wished they hired a relatively unknown actor for the role, like a Kevin Conroy type. Like Gal Gabot and Henry Cavill are pretty much new to me so I have an easy time associating them with the characters unlike Ben Afflick.

As long as he is in good shape I have absolutely no problem with his age. I had the feeling that you could really tell that he wanted to play Batman, and that´s what matters to me. And I like many of his other movies, too.

I liked the Earth2-Batman of the late 70s, and Affleck reminded me a bit of him even though he doesn´t look like Earth2-Batman at all. Maybe it´s the little bit of gray hair that he has now.

And he reminded me of Frank Miller´s Batman versions, too.

I can´t stand Miller but I like his Batman interpretations.

Affleck also reminded me a bit of the Batman of the late 1970s (Earth 1, not Earth 2).

You know, the good old Neal Adams Batman....the one we know from "The Lazarus Pit".

I liked Christian Bale, too, but Ben Affleck is , in my opinion, a worthy successor.

I couldn´t stand Val Kilmer, Michael Keaton and George Clooney as Batman.

Clooney looked the part but his heart wasn´t into it, plus the script sucked big time.

Affleck is almost perfect.

KoolEaze said:

kpowers said:

Ben Afflick. Honestly he did a better job doing Batman than I thought he would. However I still wish they didn't cast him. Mostly because his age, if there is Justice League part 3 and 4 Ben would be in his 50's. Also I don't seem doing it for the long run. Mostly I just see Ben Afflick and not Bruce Wayne/Batman. I wished they hired a relatively unknown actor for the role, like a Kevin Conroy type. Like Gal Gabot and Henry Cavill are pretty much new to me so I have an easy time associating them with the characters unlike Ben Afflick.

As long as he is in good shape I have absolutely no problem with his age. I had the feeling that you could really tell that he wanted to play Batman, and that´s what matters to me. And I like many of his other movies, too.

I liked the Earth2-Batman of the late 70s, and Affleck reminded me a bit of him even though he doesn´t look like Earth2-Batman at all. Maybe it´s the little bit of gray hair that he has now.

And he reminded me of Frank Miller´s Batman versions, too.

I can´t stand Miller but I like his Batman interpretations.

Affleck also reminded me a bit of the Batman of the late 1970s (Earth 1, not Earth 2).

You know, the good old Neal Adams Batman....the one we know from "The Lazarus Pit".

I liked Christian Bale, too, but Ben Affleck is , in my opinion, a worthy successor.

I couldn´t stand Val Kilmer, Michael Keaton and George Clooney as Batman.

Clooney looked the part but his heart wasn´t into it, plus the script sucked big time.

Affleck is almost perfect.

Honestly I haven't really like any of the live actors to play Batman. Ben maybe acted the best but for the reasons I already stated would rather have gone witha relatively unknown who fit the part.

EmmaMcG said:

Michael Keaton is still my favourite Batman. He may not have been comic book accurate, but I thought his portrayal was great. He was good in a fight but never depicted as a martial arts expert. So his vulnerabilities were on show for all to see. Because of this, his version of Batman is the only movie Batman that has a valid reason for wearing the costume. He uses his theatricality to frighten the criminals of Gotham. So they're afraid to fight him. His version of Batman is more interesting because unlike the other movie versions, his he is not a man called Bruce Wayne who dresses up as Batman. He is a man called Batman who dresses up as Bruce Wayne. Batman is his real personality. You can see this in scenes when he's dealing with criminals, he feels comfortable in threatening them and beating them up. Yet, when he's Bruce Wayne, he struggles to hold a conversation with Vicki Vale. He's not sure how to live as a normal guy. Bruce Wayne died in the alley with his parents. Batman was born that night. He's also a complete mental case. Seeing his parents murdered in front of him essentially fucked him up for life. Why else would a man dress up as a bat and terrorise criminals. He'd have to be insane. And Michael Keatons Batman was insane. He doesn't have stupid "rules" like no killing. He's a maniac. He kills criminals to prevent them from causing harm to honest citizens. He is a true vigilante. It's also worth pointing out that there was a certain amount of continuity in the Michael Keaton movies. In Batman Returns you can see that his experience with Vicki Vale has loosened him up somewhat around women. He's still not an average man, but he's more capable of carrying out conversations with people who aren't Alfred. He's more comfortable in his Bruce Wayne altar ego. He still shows up to a fancy dress party as Bruce Wayne (without any costume) so Batman is still his real personality but he's slowly regaining his sense of normality. It would have been interesting to see where they went from there if they had done a part 3. But for those reasons above, and others I won't go into now, I believe Michael Keaton was the best Batman and that his movies are the best live action Batman movies that have ever been made.

I think Batman Returns is my favorite stand alone Batman live action movie

KoolEaze said:

kpowers said:

Ben Afflick. Honestly he did a better job doing Batman than I thought he would. However I still wish they didn't cast him. Mostly because his age, if there is Justice League part 3 and 4 Ben would be in his 50's. Also I don't seem doing it for the long run. Mostly I just see Ben Afflick and not Bruce Wayne/Batman. I wished they hired a relatively unknown actor for the role, like a Kevin Conroy type. Like Gal Gabot and Henry Cavill are pretty much new to me so I have an easy time associating them with the characters unlike Ben Afflick.

As long as he is in good shape I have absolutely no problem with his age. I had the feeling that you could really tell that he wanted to play Batman, and that´s what matters to me. And I like many of his other movies, too.

I liked the Earth2-Batman of the late 70s, and Affleck reminded me a bit of him even though he doesn´t look like Earth2-Batman at all. Maybe it´s the little bit of gray hair that he has now.

And he reminded me of Frank Miller´s Batman versions, too.

I can´t stand Miller but I like his Batman interpretations.

Affleck also reminded me a bit of the Batman of the late 1970s (Earth 1, not Earth 2).

You know, the good old Neal Adams Batman....the one we know from "The Lazarus Pit".

I liked Christian Bale, too, but Ben Affleck is , in my opinion, a worthy successor.

I couldn´t stand Val Kilmer, Michael Keaton and George Clooney as Batman.

Clooney looked the part but his heart wasn´t into it, plus the script sucked big time.

Affleck is almost perfect.

I agree - Affleck's Batman is close to Frank Miller's 'Dark Knight Returns', one of my favorite graphic novels. He & Bale are the best, wirh Keaton a notch below.

kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

Michael Keaton is still my favourite Batman. He may not have been comic book accurate, but I thought his portrayal was great. He was good in a fight but never depicted as a martial arts expert. So his vulnerabilities were on show for all to see. Because of this, his version of Batman is the only movie Batman that has a valid reason for wearing the costume. He uses his theatricality to frighten the criminals of Gotham. So they're afraid to fight him. His version of Batman is more interesting because unlike the other movie versions, his he is not a man called Bruce Wayne who dresses up as Batman. He is a man called Batman who dresses up as Bruce Wayne. Batman is his real personality. You can see this in scenes when he's dealing with criminals, he feels comfortable in threatening them and beating them up. Yet, when he's Bruce Wayne, he struggles to hold a conversation with Vicki Vale. He's not sure how to live as a normal guy. Bruce Wayne died in the alley with his parents. Batman was born that night. He's also a complete mental case. Seeing his parents murdered in front of him essentially fucked him up for life. Why else would a man dress up as a bat and terrorise criminals. He'd have to be insane. And Michael Keatons Batman was insane. He doesn't have stupid "rules" like no killing. He's a maniac. He kills criminals to prevent them from causing harm to honest citizens. He is a true vigilante. It's also worth pointing out that there was a certain amount of continuity in the Michael Keaton movies. In Batman Returns you can see that his experience with Vicki Vale has loosened him up somewhat around women. He's still not an average man, but he's more capable of carrying out conversations with people who aren't Alfred. He's more comfortable in his Bruce Wayne altar ego. He still shows up to a fancy dress party as Bruce Wayne (without any costume) so Batman is still his real personality but he's slowly regaining his sense of normality. It would have been interesting to see where they went from there if they had done a part 3. But for those reasons above, and others I won't go into now, I believe Michael Keaton was the best Batman and that his movies are the best live action Batman movies that have ever been made.

I think Batman Returns is my favorite stand alone Batman live action movie

Batman Returns could have been as good as Batman 89 if it was just he & Catwoman. Danny DeVito did a horrible acting job as the Penguin - I don't know if adding a second villain was Burton's call or WB sticking their noses in. Either way it was a bad move, IMO.

At least Batman Returns was better than the shitfest that followed.

uPtoWnNY said:

kpowers said:

I think Batman Returns is my favorite stand alone Batman live action movie

Batman Returns could have been as good as Batman 89 if it was just he & Catwoman. Danny DeVito did a horrible acting job as the Penguin - I don't know if adding a second villain was Burton's call or WB sticking their noses in. Either way it was a bad move, IMO.

At least Batman Returns was better than the shitfest that followed.

Actually Christopher Walken was my favorite Villain in the movie

uPtoWnNY said:

KoolEaze said:

As long as he is in good shape I have absolutely no problem with his age. I had the feeling that you could really tell that he wanted to play Batman, and that´s what matters to me. And I like many of his other movies, too.

I liked the Earth2-Batman of the late 70s, and Affleck reminded me a bit of him even though he doesn´t look like Earth2-Batman at all. Maybe it´s the little bit of gray hair that he has now.

And he reminded me of Frank Miller´s Batman versions, too.

I can´t stand Miller but I like his Batman interpretations.

Affleck also reminded me a bit of the Batman of the late 1970s (Earth 1, not Earth 2).

You know, the good old Neal Adams Batman....the one we know from "The Lazarus Pit".

I liked Christian Bale, too, but Ben Affleck is , in my opinion, a worthy successor.

I couldn´t stand Val Kilmer, Michael Keaton and George Clooney as Batman.

Clooney looked the part but his heart wasn´t into it, plus the script sucked big time.

Affleck is almost perfect.

I agree - Affleck's Batman is close to Frank Miller's 'Dark Knight Returns', one of my favorite graphic novels. He & Bale are the best, wirh Keaton a notch below.

I hated it. And the illustrations were horrible. Yeah yeah I know fans of Frank Miller are passionate about it but I hate it and think it's overated.

kpowers said:

uPtoWnNY said:

I agree - Affleck's Batman is close to Frank Miller's 'Dark Knight Returns', one of my favorite graphic novels. He & Bale are the best, wirh Keaton a notch below.

I hated it. And the illustrations were horrible. Yeah yeah I know fans of Frank Miller are passionate about it but I hate it and think it's overated.

What´s your favorite era ? Who´s your favorite artist or story?

KoolEaze said:

kpowers said:

I hated it. And the illustrations were horrible. Yeah yeah I know fans of Frank Miller are passionate about it but I hate it and think it's overated.

What´s your favorite era ? Who´s your favorite artist or story?

I like the JLA late 70's early 80's

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I never looked at it like that. That´s an interesting and very accurate observation.

.

EmmaMcG said:

Michael Keaton is still my favourite Batman. He may not have been comic book accurate, but I thought his portrayal was great. He was good in a fight but never depicted as a martial arts expert. So his vulnerabilities were on show for all to see. Because of this, his version of Batman is the only movie Batman that has a valid reason for wearing the costume. He uses his theatricality to frighten the criminals of Gotham. So they're afraid to fight him. His version of Batman is more interesting because unlike the other movie versions, his he is not a man called Bruce Wayne who dresses up as Batman. He is a man called Batman who dresses up as Bruce Wayne. Batman is his real personality. You can see this in scenes when he's dealing with criminals, he feels comfortable in threatening them and beating them up. Yet, when he's Bruce Wayne, he struggles to hold a conversation with Vicki Vale. He's not sure how to live as a normal guy. Bruce Wayne died in the alley with his parents. Batman was born that night. He's also a complete mental case. Seeing his parents murdered in front of him essentially fucked him up for life. Why else would a man dress up as a bat and terrorise criminals. He'd have to be insane. And Michael Keatons Batman was insane. He doesn't have stupid "rules" like no killing. He's a maniac. He kills criminals to prevent them from causing harm to honest citizens. He is a true vigilante. It's also worth pointing out that there was a certain amount of continuity in the Michael Keaton movies. In Batman Returns you can see that his experience with Vicki Vale has loosened him up somewhat around women. He's still not an average man, but he's more capable of carrying out conversations with people who aren't Alfred. He's more comfortable in his Bruce Wayne altar ego. He still shows up to a fancy dress party as Bruce Wayne (without any costume) so Batman is still his real personality but he's slowly regaining his sense of normality. It would have been interesting to see where they went from there if they had done a part 3. But for those reasons above, and others I won't go into now, I believe Michael Keaton was the best Batman and that his movies are the best live action Batman movies that have ever been made.

Me too. Mostly Neal Adams and his collaborations with O´Neill.

And of course John Byrne.

And I was a big fan of Green Lantern and Green Arrow, and of course Neal Adams´ Batman, especially with the Wayne Penthouse and that Trans Am looking Batmobile.

kpowers said:

KoolEaze said:

What´s your favorite era ? Who´s your favorite artist or story?

I like the JLA late 70's early 80's

[Edited 9/25/18 10:17am]

KoolEaze said:

Me too. Mostly Neal Adams and his collaborations with O´Neill.

And of course John Byrne.

And I was a big fan of Green Lantern and Green Arrow, and of course Neal Adams´ Batman, especially with the Wayne Penthouse and that Trans Am looking Batmobile.

kpowers said:

I like the JLA late 70's early 80's

[Edited 9/25/18 10:17am]

Each and every issue of each and every Superhero comic book is someone punching someone else in the face. Or kicking them in the face. Just try counting the number of times the word DEATH is used on just about any comic book from the 1960s forward. And worst of all, in the 1970s Marvel Comics Group had a comic book magazine called The Son of Satan, complete with an upside down Pentagram on his chest. How in the world did they publish that one? Did they have to agree that Papa Satan would never show up in the comic because that would be just too much? Did the Son of Satan have to lose the bout everytime he fought his arch enemy The Son of God? Such weird comics in the 1970s.

7thday said:

KoolEaze said:

Me too. Mostly Neal Adams and his collaborations with O´Neill.

And of course John Byrne.

And I was a big fan of Green Lantern and Green Arrow, and of course Neal Adams´ Batman, especially with the Wayne Penthouse and that Trans Am looking Batmobile.

Each and every issue of each and every Superhero comic book is someone punching someone else in the face. Or kicking them in the face. Just try counting the number of times the word DEATH is used on just about any comic book from the 1960s forward. And worst of all, in the 1970s Marvel Comics Group had a comic book magazine called The Son of Satan, complete with an upside down Pentagram on his chest. How in the world did they publish that one? Did they have to agree that Papa Satan would never show up in the comic because that would be just too much? Did the Son of Satan have to lose the bout everytime he fought his arch enemy The Son of God? Such weird comics in the 1970s.