I like them all, the movies, the shows, the originals.
Thx kpowers, now I have to go rewatch DS9 with that awesome break-down you did! I don't remember half that stuff...
Yeah I forgot a lot of stuff about DS9. Most shows I saw only once since the original airing.
Really? Star Trek (all Star Trek) is the TV equivalent of comfort food for me. There's not an episode of any series I haven't seen many times (ok Discovery is only 2 or 3 times each so far). I've seen everything so much I should have a better memory on some of the details but with 700-800 episodes & movies a lot of it runs together.
I don't have cable (just 5000+ DVD/BLU), for new stuff I torrent what I'm interested in and then buy the physical release of the ones I like when it comes out. So, all those hours I used to spend flipping through channels or watching stuff I didn't really like doesn't happen anymore. If there's nothing new in my downloads, I pop in a disc, often it's Star Trek. My wife prefers to sit down with season 1 and watch a series through, for Star Trek though, I go random. A week or two ago I watched VOY S5.
If I didn't already own the complete Star Trek collection I would be the target audience for the CBS app. As it is... not so much.
Nothing wrong with that. Personally, I think Phantom Menace is better.
Was talking to an old friend about this yesterday, made the same comment about liking TPM more than TLJ, and.... he gave me the SAME exact look as Spock here.
Was talking to an old friend about this yesterday, made the same comment about liking TPM more than TLJ, and.... he gave me the SAME exact look as Spock here.
Yeah I forgot a lot of stuff about DS9. Most shows I saw only once since the original airing.
Really? Star Trek (all Star Trek) is the TV equivalent of comfort food for me. There's not an episode of any series I haven't seen many times (ok Discovery is only 2 or 3 times each so far). I've seen everything so much I should have a better memory on some of the details but with 700-800 episodes & movies a lot of it runs together.
I don't have cable (just 5000+ DVD/BLU), for new stuff I torrent what I'm interested in and then buy the physical release of the ones I like when it comes out. So, all those hours I used to spend flipping through channels or watching stuff I didn't really like doesn't happen anymore. If there's nothing new in my downloads, I pop in a disc, often it's Star Trek. My wife prefers to sit down with season 1 and watch a series through, for Star Trek though, I go random. A week or two ago I watched VOY S5.
If I didn't already own the complete Star Trek collection I would be the target audience for the CBS app. As it is... not so much.
Yeah I just bought the dvd' just last year. It never really aired on tv where I lived once it went off the air. I think it aired on Spike TV once like 10 years ago. The original series and TNG aired a lot on my local tv stations as well on being on cable.
Was talking to an old friend about this yesterday, made the same comment about liking TPM more than TLJ, and.... he gave me the SAME exact look as Spock here.
It's because of
Oh, I do get it.
Then there's this:
Rian Johnson made it his mission to "kill the past". The Last Jedi goes pretty far in achieving that goal. Not only did he disrespect old school fans, he pretty much crapped all over fans of The Force Awakens. I walked out of TFA with questions and theories, I walked out of TLJ realizing that none of the questions raised by TFA matter, and neither does anything in the original or prequel trilogies.
I object to this scurrilous miscasting of a gay white man into a role of a straight captain aboard his star ship.
Just horrid! Horrid! you should all be ashamed!
;)
Never was a big fan of TNG. It was murky and became extremely soap opera style, so as an 8-11 year old those plot lines had little appeal to me. But I've enjoyed his performances and enjoyed the TNG films. Especially NEMESIS and GENERATIONS which some ppl don't like.
I'm glad he's captaining up for this. Seems like a humorous guy.
♫"Trollin, Trolling! We could have fun just trollin'!"♫
Really? Star Trek (all Star Trek) is the TV equivalent of comfort food for me. There's not an episode of any series I haven't seen many times (ok Discovery is only 2 or 3 times each so far). I've seen everything so much I should have a better memory on some of the details but with 700-800 episodes & movies a lot of it runs together.
I don't have cable (just 5000+ DVD/BLU), for new stuff I torrent what I'm interested in and then buy the physical release of the ones I like when it comes out. So, all those hours I used to spend flipping through channels or watching stuff I didn't really like doesn't happen anymore. If there's nothing new in my downloads, I pop in a disc, often it's Star Trek. My wife prefers to sit down with season 1 and watch a series through, for Star Trek though, I go random. A week or two ago I watched VOY S5.
If I didn't already own the complete Star Trek collection I would be the target audience for the CBS app. As it is... not so much.
Yeah I just bought the dvd' just last year. It never really aired on tv where I lived once it went off the air. I think it aired on Spike TV once like 10 years ago. The original series and TNG aired a lot on my local tv stations as well on being on cable.
DS9 was a pain in the ass for me. By the time it started, I was recording every episode when it premiered, but, for much of the series the station here that had the syndication license had it Saturday late-night, and half the episodes were preempted by some sportsball running late. I was usually out on Sat nights and couldn't be there to hit record so I would have to set my timer for a 3 hour chunk. This sportsball issue played all kinds of havok with the DS9 schedule with some episodes truncated, and some aired on a weird day & time, some were skipped all together and I had to wait for the repeat. "You gotta respect Star Trek!" Or, at least that's what I would drunkenly screamed into the recording machine when I'd call the station in a wasted rage at 3am. Just once or twice...
Rian Johnson made it his mission to "kill the past". The Last Jedi goes pretty far in achieving that goal. Not only did he disrespect old school fans, he pretty much crapped all over fans of The Force Awakens. I walked out of TFA with questions and theories, I walked out of TLJ realizing that none of the questions raised by TFA matter, and neither does anything in the original or prequel trilogies.
I don't see how making a film could ever be classed as 'disrespecting'someone. If you don't like the film you could just try not watching it.
TLJ was damned whatever it did ... TFA got a kicking for being too similar to New Hope, so TLJ went for something completely different and got equally kicked. They're just fun space action adventure movies ... it doesn't serve the films well to start digging in to them looking for deep intellectual meat. Enjoy them for what they are.
Rian Johnson made it his mission to "kill the past". The Last Jedi goes pretty far in achieving that goal. Not only did he disrespect old school fans, he pretty much crapped all over fans of The Force Awakens. I walked out of TFA with questions and theories, I walked out of TLJ realizing that none of the questions raised by TFA matter, and neither does anything in the original or prequel trilogies.
I don't see how making a film could ever be classed as 'disrespecting'someone. If you don't like the film you could just try not watching it.
TLJ was damned whatever it did ... TFA got a kicking for being too similar to New Hope, so TLJ went for something completely different and got equally kicked. They're just fun space action adventure movies ... it doesn't serve the films well to start digging in to them looking for deep intellectual meat. Enjoy them for what they are.
Then I'll explain. First, his mantra for the movie was "Let the past die and if you have to kill it". If you watch the documentary or listen to interviews he's repeatedly expressed that his desire to subvert expectations went to the extreme, he was so happy to break as many of the "rules" of the universe as possible. Not only did he kick fans of the originals in the balls with his treatment of Luke (just watch a Mark Hammill interview) and Super Leia, and the nature of the force, he took all the debates, mystery and wonder be had walking out of TFA and squashed it. Rey's parents don't matter, Snoke's identity doesn't matter, nothing matters.
What's the solution when you have to cram in story for OT characters while developing new characters from TFA? Cram in even more characters that nobody seems to like, need or want.
People made lots of noise about George "ruining their childhood" with the prequels, but this? Luke nearly sacrificed himself to save his father because he saw a sliver of good in this extremely evil man, but, when his nephew shows a flash of evil, he tries to kill him. Really? Leia, who's never exhibited more than rudimentary force abilities can fly like Superman, through space? Ok. Forget midichlorians (we'd love to, right), now you don't have to be special at all to use the force. What? I could go on and on but I'm bored already and I haven't even got into the goofy slow motion chase through space with characters flying in and out of the chase at ease. Or why Holdo didn't have a droid fly the suicide run. etc. etc etc.
I walked out thinking that at least it wasn't the worst Star Wars, my initial review was short: "It was better than Phantom Menace". Then I got the bluray, and a couple viewings later it has dipped below TPM.
All that said, I LOVE Rogue One and am looking forward to seeing Solo when it hits home video in a few weeks.
Interestingly, the people behind both The Last Jedi & Discovery are on record as wanting to create something for the next generation with no regard for existing fans, which is a stupid, short-sighted and unnecessary thing to do. Existing fans brung them to the dance. We're the reason these franchises are so VALUABLE. They should focus on expanding their fanbase rather than replacing it.
That said, dispite this, I enjoyed the end result of Discovery. Not so much for TLJ.
I don't see how making a film could ever be classed as 'disrespecting'someone. If you don't like the film you could just try not watching it.
TLJ was damned whatever it did ... TFA got a kicking for being too similar to New Hope, so TLJ went for something completely different and got equally kicked. They're just fun space action adventure movies ... it doesn't serve the films well to start digging in to them looking for deep intellectual meat. Enjoy them for what they are.
Then I'll explain. First, his mantra for the movie was "Let the past die and if you have to kill it". If you watch the documentary or listen to interviews he's repeatedly expressed that his desire to subvert expectations went to the extreme, he was so happy to break as many of the "rules" of the universe as possible. Not only did he kick fans of the originals in the balls with his treatment of Luke (just watch a Mark Hammill interview) and Super Leia, and the nature of the force, he took all the debates, mystery and wonder be had walking out of TFA and squashed it. Rey's parents don't matter, Snoke's identity doesn't matter, nothing matters.
What's the solution when you have to cram in story for OT characters while developing new characters from TFA? Cram in even more characters that nobody seems to like, need or want.
People made lots of noise about George "ruining their childhood" with the prequels, but this? Luke nearly sacrificed himself to save his father because he saw a sliver of good in this extremely evil man, but, when his nephew shows a flash of evil, he tries to kill him. Really? Leia, who's never exhibited more than rudimentary force abilities can fly like Superman, through space? Ok. Forget midichlorians (we'd love to, right), now you don't have to be special at all to use the force. What? I could go on and on but I'm bored already and I haven't even got into the goofy slow motion chase through space with characters flying in and out of the chase at ease. Or why Holdo didn't have a droid fly the suicide run. etc. etc etc.
I walked out thinking that at least it wasn't the worst Star Wars, my initial review was short: "It was better than Phantom Menace". Then I got the bluray, and a couple viewings later it has dipped below TPM.
All that said, I LOVE Rogue One and am looking forward to seeing Solo when it hits home video in a few weeks.
But that's my point ... you're digging too much.
You're questioning the small detail, like Leia's force abilitites (who knows what she's been up to in the intervening year) or Luke's change in heart (events can change a person over time), but overlooking HUGE plot points with the whole thing, like why are nearly all the aliens humanoid with the ability to speak English, or any of the other massive logic / science holes in Star Wars.
Like I said, they're meant to be two hour space adventures for kids (as Lucas has said, similar to the Saturday morning serials he enjoyed), but they've now been co-opted by adults who are demanding The Godfather in space instead.
Johnson did something different, and I applaud that even if I don't agree with some of his creative choices. Certainly wasn't what I was expecting but I paid my money and was thoroughly entertained for two hours. And it didn't commit the cardinal sin of cinema, being boring, something that Phantom Menance came very close to being at times.
Then I'll explain. First, his mantra for the movie was "Let the past die and if you have to kill it". If you watch the documentary or listen to interviews he's repeatedly expressed that his desire to subvert expectations went to the extreme, he was so happy to break as many of the "rules" of the universe as possible. Not only did he kick fans of the originals in the balls with his treatment of Luke (just watch a Mark Hammill interview) and Super Leia, and the nature of the force, he took all the debates, mystery and wonder be had walking out of TFA and squashed it. Rey's parents don't matter, Snoke's identity doesn't matter, nothing matters.
What's the solution when you have to cram in story for OT characters while developing new characters from TFA? Cram in even more characters that nobody seems to like, need or want.
People made lots of noise about George "ruining their childhood" with the prequels, but this? Luke nearly sacrificed himself to save his father because he saw a sliver of good in this extremely evil man, but, when his nephew shows a flash of evil, he tries to kill him. Really? Leia, who's never exhibited more than rudimentary force abilities can fly like Superman, through space? Ok. Forget midichlorians (we'd love to, right), now you don't have to be special at all to use the force. What? I could go on and on but I'm bored already and I haven't even got into the goofy slow motion chase through space with characters flying in and out of the chase at ease. Or why Holdo didn't have a droid fly the suicide run. etc. etc etc.
I walked out thinking that at least it wasn't the worst Star Wars, my initial review was short: "It was better than Phantom Menace". Then I got the bluray, and a couple viewings later it has dipped below TPM.
All that said, I LOVE Rogue One and am looking forward to seeing Solo when it hits home video in a few weeks.
But that's my point ... you're digging too much.
You're questioning the small detail, like Leia's force abilitites (who knows what she's been up to in the intervening year) or Luke's change in heart (events can change a person over time), but overlooking HUGE plot points with the whole thing, like why are nearly all the aliens humanoid with the ability to speak English, or any of the other massive logic / science holes in Star Wars.
Like I said, they're meant to be two hour space adventures for kids (as Lucas has said, similar to the Saturday morning serials he enjoyed), but they've now been co-opted by adults who are demanding The Godfather in space instead.
Johnson did something different, and I applaud that even if I don't agree with some of his creative choices. Certainly wasn't what I was expecting but I paid my money and was thoroughly entertained for two hours. And it didn't commit the cardinal sin of cinema, being boring, something that Phantom Menance came very close to being at times.
Oh, but the slow chase? That WAS boring.
Here's the deal. The REASON Star Wars is such a valuable franchise is BECAUSE of the fans. For decades we've dug deep into the expanded universe. It's more than a "two hour space adventure for kids" to us. If it wasn't, the vast majority of the $ brought in over the last 40 years would not have happened. This is key. If you want them to be for kids and not taken so seriously, then with that comes a tiny fraction of licensing $ than you get from hard core fans that dig deep.
They want it both ways but that's not how it works. For example, one of the largest licenses and revenues for Star Wars is the action figure market. As much as people complained about the prequels, this market thrived with them. Look how it's doing now, post TLJ. It's dead on arrival. That's what happens when you disregard the fans.
If it's just movies to you, I can see your point of view. But, I'm pretty sure when Disney bought the franchise, the licensing value was an important aspect of the decision. New fans don't even buy the blurays, much less collect licensed products.
So, rumors are swirling that Sir Patrick Stewart's show will not be in the original timeline, some are saying it might not even be the Kelvin timeline, but a new one (both Vulcan AND Romulus are gone?!?). Hopefully the rumors are bullshit, but, it sounds like there are licensing reasons for all the changes (Kelvin, Discovery, and going forward). Some are saying that they HAVE to do it different because of the deals that are in place, that everything up through Enterprise is one thing, everything after is another. If that's the case, why bother bringing back Stewart?
Yeah I just bought the dvd' just last year. It never really aired on tv where I lived once it went off the air. I think it aired on Spike TV once like 10 years ago. The original series and TNG aired a lot on my local tv stations as well on being on cable.
DS9 was a pain in the ass for me. By the time it started, I was recording every episode when it premiered, but, for much of the series the station here that had the syndication license had it Saturday late-night, and half the episodes were preempted by some sportsball running late. I was usually out on Sat nights and couldn't be there to hit record so I would have to set my timer for a 3 hour chunk. This sportsball issue played all kinds of havok with the DS9 schedule with some episodes truncated, and some aired on a weird day & time, some were skipped all together and I had to wait for the repeat. "You gotta respect Star Trek!" Or, at least that's what I would drunkenly screamed into the recording machine when I'd call the station in a wasted rage at 3am. Just once or twice...
[Edited 8/13/18 19:19pm]
Oh wow your experiences of watching DS9 sounds a lot like me. Well let's rewind here, it was the 90's. No DVR, primetime on demand, no ol-line. If you couldn't watch it live you recorded it on your VHS player. DS9 was a syndicated TV show which means any local TV station could pick it up. I'm guessing throughout the USA DS9 (as well as most syndicated TV shows of the time) didn't air on the local TV stations that were ABC, CBS, and NBC affiliates. Most probably airs on the FOX station or an independent TV stations that just played old TV shows (miss those tv stations). DS9 aired here on the FOX affiliate and like you, it also aired on a Saturday. Yes same thing happened to me with them playing sports (college football games) messed up watching the DS9 big time. So I recorded sports games instead of DS9. Or sometimes the power went off thus messing up the VHS player. Who knows if they even played every episode. Took me awhile to buy the DVD's because when they first came out every season cost over $100.00
DS9 was a pain in the ass for me. By the time it started, I was recording every episode when it premiered, but, for much of the series the station here that had the syndication license had it Saturday late-night, and half the episodes were preempted by some sportsball running late. I was usually out on Sat nights and couldn't be there to hit record so I would have to set my timer for a 3 hour chunk. This sportsball issue played all kinds of havok with the DS9 schedule with some episodes truncated, and some aired on a weird day & time, some were skipped all together and I had to wait for the repeat. "You gotta respect Star Trek!" Or, at least that's what I would drunkenly screamed into the recording machine when I'd call the station in a wasted rage at 3am. Just once or twice...
[Edited 8/13/18 19:19pm]
Oh wow your experiences of watching DS9 sounds a lot like me. Well let's rewind here, it was the 90's. No DVR, primetime on demand, no ol-line. If you couldn't watch it live you recorded it on your VHS player. DS9 was a syndicated TV show which means any local TV station could pick it up. I'm guessing throughout the USA DS9 (as well as most syndicated TV shows of the time) didn't air on the local TV stations that were ABC, CBS, and NBC affiliates. Most probably airs on the FOX station or an independent TV stations that just played old TV shows (miss those tv stations). DS9 aired here on the FOX affiliate and like you, it also aired on a Saturday. Yes same thing happened to me with them playing sports (college football games) messed up watching the DS9 big time. So I recorded sports games instead of DS9. Or sometimes the power went off thus messing up the VHS player. Who knows if they even played every episode. Took me awhile to buy the DVD's because when they first came out every season cost over $100.00
I never gave up and always managed to get an episode, even if I had to wait for summer repeats. By the time DVD was a thing, I had the whole series recorded. I wouldn't drop $100 a season either but a friend did, and I had a Panasonic DVD recorder by that point so I copied his. Then around 8-10 years ago prices started to drop and I picked up all the seasons of all the shows pretty cheap.
Looks like they don't have faith in the "new" Star Trek, they have to keep biting off the old (without outright embracing it). Discovery has a new Spock. Ethan Peck, grandson of Gregory, will be playing Spock now:
"Through 52 years of television and film, a parallel universe and a mirror universe, Mr. Spock remains the only member of the original bridge crew to span every era of Star Trek. The great Leonard Nimoy, then the brilliant Zachary Quinto, brought incomparable humanity to a character forever torn between logic and emotion," showrunner Alex Kurtzman said. "We searched for months for an actor who would, like them, bring his own interpretation to the role. An actor who would, like them, effortlessly embody Spock’s greatest qualities, beyond obvious logic: empathy, intuition, compassion, confusion and yearning. Ethan Peck walked into the room inhabiting all of these qualities, aware of his daunting responsibility to Leonard, Zack and the fans, and ready to confront the challenge in the service of protecting and expanding on Spock’s legacy. In that spirit, we’re thrilled to welcome him to the family."
Looks like they don't have faith in the "new" Star Trek, they have to keep biting off the old (without outright embracing it). Discovery has a new Spock. Ethan Peck, grandson of Gregory, will be playing Spock now:
"Through 52 years of television and film, a parallel universe and a mirror universe, Mr. Spock remains the only member of the original bridge crew to span every era of Star Trek. The great Leonard Nimoy, then the brilliant Zachary Quinto, brought incomparable humanity to a character forever torn between logic and emotion," showrunner Alex Kurtzman said. "We searched for months for an actor who would, like them, bring his own interpretation to the role. An actor who would, like them, effortlessly embody Spock’s greatest qualities, beyond obvious logic: empathy, intuition, compassion, confusion and yearning. Ethan Peck walked into the room inhabiting all of these qualities, aware of his daunting responsibility to Leonard, Zack and the fans, and ready to confront the challenge in the service of protecting and expanding on Spock’s legacy. In that spirit, we’re thrilled to welcome him to the family."
Oh wow your experiences of watching DS9 sounds a lot like me. Well let's rewind here, it was the 90's. No DVR, primetime on demand, no ol-line. If you couldn't watch it live you recorded it on your VHS player. DS9 was a syndicated TV show which means any local TV station could pick it up. I'm guessing throughout the USA DS9 (as well as most syndicated TV shows of the time) didn't air on the local TV stations that were ABC, CBS, and NBC affiliates. Most probably airs on the FOX station or an independent TV stations that just played old TV shows (miss those tv stations). DS9 aired here on the FOX affiliate and like you, it also aired on a Saturday. Yes same thing happened to me with them playing sports (college football games) messed up watching the DS9 big time. So I recorded sports games instead of DS9. Or sometimes the power went off thus messing up the VHS player. Who knows if they even played every episode. Took me awhile to buy the DVD's because when they first came out every season cost over $100.00
I never gave up and always managed to get an episode, even if I had to wait for summer repeats. By the time DVD was a thing, I had the whole series recorded. I wouldn't drop $100 a season either but a friend did, and I had a Panasonic DVD recorder by that point so I copied his. Then around 8-10 years ago prices started to drop and I picked up all the seasons of all the shows pretty cheap.
So how many VHS tapes you have? Still have them? How many episodes on each tape? You kept the commercials?
I never gave up and always managed to get an episode, even if I had to wait for summer repeats. By the time DVD was a thing, I had the whole series recorded. I wouldn't drop $100 a season either but a friend did, and I had a Panasonic DVD recorder by that point so I copied his. Then around 8-10 years ago prices started to drop and I picked up all the seasons of all the shows pretty cheap.
So how many VHS tapes you have? Still have them? How many episodes on each tape? You kept the commercials?
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