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Reply #30 posted 07/13/18 1:38pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said:

I played Eddie for my kids (in their 20's)

They both looked at me like I was nuts.

Who are current comics your kids like. Who are comics from Eddie thru Bernie's era your kids think are funny?

I'm guessing Kevin Hart eek

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Reply #31 posted 07/13/18 1:54pm

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Graycap23 said:

I played Eddie for my kids (in their 20's)

They both looked at me like I was nuts.

Who are current comics your kids like. Who are comics from Eddie thru Bernie's era your kids think are funny?

Marlon Wayans, Chapelle, Paul Moonie, Rock...they dont break it down by era's.

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Reply #32 posted 07/13/18 2:11pm

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Graycap23 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said: Who are current comics your kids like. Who are comics from Eddie thru Bernie's era your kids think are funny?

Marlon Wayans, Chapelle, Paul Moonie, Rock...they dont break it down by era's.

Like Chapelle and Rock, hate the others

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Reply #33 posted 07/13/18 5:34pm

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Graycap23 said:



LittleBLUECorvette said:


Graycap23 said:


I played Eddie for my kids (in their 20's)


They both looked at me like I was nuts.



Who are current comics your kids like. Who are comics from Eddie thru Bernie's era your kids think are funny?

Marlon Wayans, Chapelle, Paul Moonie, Rock...they dont break it down by era's.


All those guys besides Mooney followed the Eddie formula.

Rock was discovered by Murph and was even billed as Eddie's protege.
Marlon Wayans is the youngest Wayans. Marlon brother Keenen was running with Eddie since the 1970s as teenagers.
Chappelle is basically Eddie light.

Every black comic since Eddie debuted on SNL wants to be Eddie Murphy.
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Reply #34 posted 07/13/18 5:47pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said:



LittleBLUECorvette said:


Graycap23 said:


I played Eddie for my kids (in their 20's)


They both looked at me like I was nuts.



Who are current comics your kids like. Who are comics from Eddie thru Bernie's era your kids think are funny?

Marlon Wayans, Chapelle, Paul Moonie, Rock...they dont break it down by era's.


All those guys besides Mooney followed the Eddie formula.

Rock was discovered by Murph and was even billed as Eddie's protege.
Marlon Wayans is the youngest Wayans. Marlon brother Keenen was running with Eddie since the 1970s as teenagers.
Chappelle is basically Eddie light.

Every black comic since Eddie debuted on SNL wants to be Eddie Murphy.
tell that 2 my kids.
Im an Eddie fan. I think he may actually be underrated but his comedy was not what id call intelligent. Very juvenile.
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Reply #35 posted 07/13/18 6:03pm

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Graycap23 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:


All those guys besides Mooney followed the Eddie formula.

Rock was discovered by Murph and was even billed as Eddie's protege.
Marlon Wayans is the youngest Wayans. Marlon brother Keenen was running with Eddie since the 1970s as teenagers.
Chappelle is basically Eddie light.

Every black comic since Eddie debuted on SNL wants to be Eddie Murphy.
tell that 2 my kids.
Im an Eddie fan. I think he may actually be underrated but his comedy was not what id call intelligent. Very juvenile.

He was 22 when Delerious came out. 26 when Raw came out. What was he supposed to talk about.
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Reply #36 posted 07/13/18 7:47pm

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I never understood why they were called the "Original" kings of comedy

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I never thought any of these dudes were even remotely funny.

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Reply #37 posted 07/14/18 3:58am

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All those guys besides Mooney followed the Eddie formula. Rock was discovered by Murph and was even billed as Eddie's protege. Marlon Wayans is the youngest Wayans. Marlon brother Keenen was running with Eddie since the 1970s as teenagers. Chappelle is basically Eddie light. Every black comic since Eddie debuted on SNL wants to be Eddie Murphy.
tell that 2 my kids. Im an Eddie fan. I think he may actually be underrated but his comedy was not what id call intelligent. Very juvenile.

Sounds like your kids need some time out

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Reply #38 posted 07/14/18 5:13am

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Eddie didn't have to do stand up soon into his career because he was one of the biggest actors of the time. Rock can't touch him. Plus it is well documented Rock copied Eddie and Pryor and all the greats, he studied the work constantly. Also let's not forget Bill Cosby, he got into trouble yes but he was a power house comedian in his day.
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Reply #39 posted 07/14/18 12:28pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Graycap23 said:

Marlon Wayans, Chapelle, Paul Moonie, Rock...they dont break it down by era's.

All those guys besides Mooney followed the Eddie formula. Rock was discovered by Murph and was even billed as Eddie's protege. Marlon Wayans is the youngest Wayans. Marlon brother Keenen was running with Eddie since the 1970s as teenagers. Chappelle is basically Eddie light. Every black comic since Eddie debuted on SNL wants to be Eddie Murphy.

That's preposterous. Very different comics.

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LittleBLUECorvette said:


Graycap23 said:


Marlon Wayans, Chapelle, Paul Moonie, Rock...they dont break it down by era's.



All those guys besides Mooney followed the Eddie formula. Rock was discovered by Murph and was even billed as Eddie's protege. Marlon Wayans is the youngest Wayans. Marlon brother Keenen was running with Eddie since the 1970s as teenagers. Chappelle is basically Eddie light. Every black comic since Eddie debuted on SNL wants to be Eddie Murphy.


That's preposterous. Very different comics.


I was talkin mainly Chappelle's early work.
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Eddie didn't have to do stand up soon into his career because he was one of the biggest actors of the time. Rock can't touch him. Plus it is well documented Rock copied Eddie and Pryor and all the greats, he studied the work constantly. Also let's not forget Bill Cosby, he got into trouble yes but he was a power house comedian in his day.

Eddie discovered Rock, but Rock actually said Damon Wayans taught him how to be a stand up comic. Chris said Damon was the only cool black comic in NYC at the time, lol.

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Reply #42 posted 07/14/18 7:22pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:



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Eddie didn't have to do stand up soon into his career because he was one of the biggest actors of the time. Rock can't touch him. Plus it is well documented Rock copied Eddie and Pryor and all the greats, he studied the work constantly. Also let's not forget Bill Cosby, he got into trouble yes but he was a power house comedian in his day.

Eddie discovered Rock, but Rock actually said Damon Wayans taught him how to be a stand up comic. Chris said Damon was the only cool black comic in NYC at the time, lol.



What I heard about Rock is he would listen to every piece of audio, watch all video. over and over of the comedy greats. He studied film, audio nonstop.
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Reply #43 posted 07/14/18 7:56pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:



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Eddie didn't have to do stand up soon into his career because he was one of the biggest actors of the time. Rock can't touch him. Plus it is well documented Rock copied Eddie and Pryor and all the greats, he studied the work constantly. Also let's not forget Bill Cosby, he got into trouble yes but he was a power house comedian in his day.

Eddie discovered Rock, but Rock actually said Damon Wayans taught him how to be a stand up comic. Chris said Damon was the only cool black comic in NYC at the time, lol.



What I heard about Rock is he would listen to every piece of audio, watch all video. over and over of the comedy greats. He studied film, audio nonstop.

That's good studying.
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Reply #44 posted 07/16/18 8:45am

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

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Marlon Wayans, Chapelle, Paul Moonie, Rock...they dont break it down by era's.

All those guys besides Mooney followed the Eddie formula. Rock was discovered by Murph and was even billed as Eddie's protege. Marlon Wayans is the youngest Wayans. Marlon brother Keenen was running with Eddie since the 1970s as teenagers. Chappelle is basically Eddie light. Every black comic since Eddie debuted on SNL wants to be Eddie Murphy.


Oh no. Not. At. All.

In terms of his material, Chappelle has gotten closer and closer to Pryor than Eddie.

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Reply #45 posted 07/17/18 12:31am

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Getting back to the original post, is it fair to have someone with a 20 minute spot and 2 sets from Def Comedy Jam over guys a Damon Wayans or Eddie Griffin who blow Mac's output out of the water?

My whole point of this thread was saying Bernie doesn't have the naterial these other guys have.

His peers destroy his output.

Between 1992 (Bernie's TV debut-2008 (His untimely death)
-zero half hour specaisl, zero hour specials, one group special

Other guys work between 92-08 from HBO, Showtime, Comedy Central, BET, Theater, Straight to Video/DVD, Comedy Albums, ect.
Damon Wayans - 2 one hour specials (2 earlier specials in 89 and 91)
Eddie Griffin - 2 half hour specials, 3 one hour specials (one was 90 minutes), 1 group special, 1 comedy album (2 post 2008)
Chris Rock - 1 half hour special, 4 one hour specials (one was 90 minutes), 1 comedy album
Martin Lawrence - 1 half hour special, 2 one hour specials (both over 90 minutes)
Sinbad - 5 one hour specials
Dave Chappelle - 1 half hour special, 2 one hour specials (3 post 2008)
D.L. Hughley - 2 half hour specials, 4 one hour specials, 2 group specials
Steve Harvey - 1 half hour special, 4 one hour specials (two 90 minutes), 1 group special
Cedric the Entertainer - 1 one hour special, 3 group specials
Paul Mooney - 3 one hour specials, 2 comedy albums
Bill Bellamy - 2 one our specials
Tommy Davidson - 1 half hour special, 2 one hour specials
Jamie Foxx - 3 one hour specials
Mark Curry - 2 half hour specisls, 1 one hour special
George Wallace - 2 half hour specials
Joe Torry - 1 half hour special, 1 one hour special
Kevin Hart - 1 half hour special, 1 one hour special
Katt Williams - 2 one hour specials
Earthquake - 2 half hour specials
Michael Colyar - 1 half hour special, 1 one hour special
Rickey Smiley - 1 half hour special, 1 one hour special
Bruce Bruce - 1 half hour, 1 one hour
Don DC Curry - 2 half hour specials
Alex Thomas - 1 half hour special, 1 one hour special


Guys with 1 one hour special HBO, Showtime, Comedy Central, ect.
David Alan Grier
Faizon Love
Mike Epps
Guy Torry
John Henton
Ect.


Guys with 1 half hour special HBO, Comedy Central, BET, ect.
Franklyn Ajaye
Reynaldo Rey
J Anthony Brown
Aries Spears
Mario Joyner
Ect.
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Reply #46 posted 07/17/18 4:44am

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Getting back to the original post, is it fair to have someone with a 20 minute spot and 2 sets from Def Comedy Jam over guys a Damon Wayans or Eddie Griffin who blow Mac's output out of the water?

My whole point of this thread was saying Bernie doesn't have the naterial these other guys have.

His peers destroy his output.

Between 1992 (Bernie's TV debut-2008 (His untimely death)
-zero half hour specaisl, zero hour specials, one group special

Other guys work between 92-08 from HBO, Showtime, Comedy Central, BET, Theater, Straight to Video/DVD, Comedy Albums, ect.
Damon Wayans - 2 one hour specials (2 earlier specials in 89 and 91)
Eddie Griffin - 2 half hour specials, 3 one hour specials (one was 90 minutes), 1 group special, 1 comedy album (2 post 2008)
Chris Rock - 1 half hour special, 4 one hour specials (one was 90 minutes), 1 comedy album
Martin Lawrence - 1 half hour special, 2 one hour specials (both over 90 minutes)
Sinbad - 5 one hour specials
Dave Chappelle - 1 half hour special, 2 one hour specials (3 post 2008)
D.L. Hughley - 2 half hour specials, 4 one hour specials, 2 group specials
Steve Harvey - 1 half hour special, 4 one hour specials (two 90 minutes), 1 group special
Cedric the Entertainer - 1 one hour special, 3 group specials
Paul Mooney - 3 one hour specials, 2 comedy albums
Bill Bellamy - 2 one our specials
Tommy Davidson - 1 half hour special, 2 one hour specials
Jamie Foxx - 3 one hour specials
Mark Curry - 2 half hour specisls, 1 one hour special
George Wallace - 2 half hour specials
Joe Torry - 1 half hour special, 1 one hour special
Kevin Hart - 1 half hour special, 1 one hour special
Katt Williams - 2 one hour specials
Earthquake - 2 half hour specials
Michael Colyar - 1 half hour special, 1 one hour special
Rickey Smiley - 1 half hour special, 1 one hour special
Bruce Bruce - 1 half hour, 1 one hour
Don DC Curry - 2 half hour specials
Alex Thomas - 1 half hour special, 1 one hour special


Guys with 1 one hour special HBO, Showtime, Comedy Central, ect.
David Alan Grier
Faizon Love
Mike Epps
Guy Torry
John Henton
Ect.


Guys with 1 half hour special HBO, Comedy Central, BET, ect.
Franklyn Ajaye
Reynaldo Rey
J Anthony Brown
Aries Spears
Mario Joyner
Ect.


I firmly believe in quality over quantity and as far as I'm concerned, Bernie Mac had far more quality material than the majority of his peers. Of course, quality is not something that can be accurately measured. Everyone will have their own opinions on who is "the best". So when I say that I believe Bernie Mac is NOT overrated, I'm saying that because I believe he is funnier than most other comedians and therefore deserves his reputation as one of the greats.
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Reply #47 posted 07/17/18 6:04am

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EmmaMcG said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Getting back to the original post, is it fair to have someone with a 20 minute spot and 2 sets from Def Comedy Jam over guys a Damon Wayans or Eddie Griffin who blow Mac's output out of the water?

My whole point of this thread was saying Bernie doesn't have the naterial these other guys have.

His peers destroy his output.

Between 1992 (Bernie's TV debut-2008 (His untimely death)
-zero half hour specaisl, zero hour specials, one group special

Other guys work between 92-08 from HBO, Showtime, Comedy Central, BET, Theater, Straight to Video/DVD, Comedy Albums, ect.
Damon Wayans - 2 one hour specials (2 earlier specials in 89 and 91)
Eddie Griffin - 2 half hour specials, 3 one hour specials (one was 90 minutes), 1 group special, 1 comedy album (2 post 2008)
Chris Rock - 1 half hour special, 4 one hour specials (one was 90 minutes), 1 comedy album
Martin Lawrence - 1 half hour special, 2 one hour specials (both over 90 minutes)
Sinbad - 5 one hour specials
Dave Chappelle - 1 half hour special, 2 one hour specials (3 post 2008)
D.L. Hughley - 2 half hour specials, 4 one hour specials, 2 group specials
Steve Harvey - 1 half hour special, 4 one hour specials (two 90 minutes), 1 group special
Cedric the Entertainer - 1 one hour special, 3 group specials
Paul Mooney - 3 one hour specials, 2 comedy albums
Bill Bellamy - 2 one our specials
Tommy Davidson - 1 half hour special, 2 one hour specials
Jamie Foxx - 3 one hour specials
Mark Curry - 2 half hour specisls, 1 one hour special
George Wallace - 2 half hour specials
Joe Torry - 1 half hour special, 1 one hour special
Kevin Hart - 1 half hour special, 1 one hour special
Katt Williams - 2 one hour specials
Earthquake - 2 half hour specials
Michael Colyar - 1 half hour special, 1 one hour special
Rickey Smiley - 1 half hour special, 1 one hour special
Bruce Bruce - 1 half hour, 1 one hour
Don DC Curry - 2 half hour specials
Alex Thomas - 1 half hour special, 1 one hour special


Guys with 1 one hour special HBO, Showtime, Comedy Central, ect.
David Alan Grier
Faizon Love
Mike Epps
Guy Torry
John Henton
Ect.


Guys with 1 half hour special HBO, Comedy Central, BET, ect.
Franklyn Ajaye
Reynaldo Rey
J Anthony Brown
Aries Spears
Mario Joyner
Ect.


I firmly believe in quality over quantity and as far as I'm concerned, Bernie Mac had far more quality material than the majority of his peers. Of course, quality is not something that can be accurately measured. Everyone will have their own opinions on who is "the best". So when I say that I believe Bernie Mac is NOT overrated, I'm saying that because I believe he is funnier than most other comedians and therefore deserves his reputation as one of the greats.

Wouldn't you say it's easier to have a good 20 minutes of material than it is to make multiple hour long sets?

Like an athlete having a great 2 year stretch over someone who's had a constant 10 year peak.

I've never said Bernie wasn't funny he just left a lot to be desired.
Do I think all of those comics I listed are better than Mac, hell nah. But I'd take about 10 of them over him.
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Reply #48 posted 07/17/18 7:13am

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

EmmaMcG said:



I firmly believe in quality over quantity and as far as I'm concerned, Bernie Mac had far more quality material than the majority of his peers. Of course, quality is not something that can be accurately measured. Everyone will have their own opinions on who is "the best". So when I say that I believe Bernie Mac is NOT overrated, I'm saying that because I believe he is funnier than most other comedians and therefore deserves his reputation as one of the greats.

Wouldn't you say it's easier to have a good 20 minutes of material than it is to make multiple hour long sets?

Like an athlete having a great 2 year stretch over someone who's had a constant 10 year peak.

I've never said Bernie wasn't funny he just left a lot to be desired.
Do I think all of those comics I listed are better than Mac, hell nah. But I'd take about 10 of them over him.


It depends on how good the 20 minutes are. I'd much rather watch a great comedian for 20 minutes than a decent one for an hour. Like I said, quality over quantity. Fawlty Towers only ran for 12 episodes or something but its still much MUCH better than Friends, which ran for 10 years.
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Reply #49 posted 07/17/18 3:29pm

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He's under the ground now.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #50 posted 07/18/18 10:33am

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

EmmaMcG said:
I firmly believe in quality over quantity and as far as I'm concerned, Bernie Mac had far more quality material than the majority of his peers. Of course, quality is not something that can be accurately measured. Everyone will have their own opinions on who is "the best". So when I say that I believe Bernie Mac is NOT overrated, I'm saying that because I believe he is funnier than most other comedians and therefore deserves his reputation as one of the greats.
Wouldn't you say it's easier to have a good 20 minutes of material than it is to make multiple hour long sets? Like an athlete having a great 2 year stretch over someone who's had a constant 10 year peak. I've never said Bernie wasn't funny he just left a lot to be desired. Do I think all of those comics I listed are better than Mac, hell nah. But I'd take about 10 of them over him.

Every one one of those guys bring something different 2 the comedy game.

It boils down 2 a matter of taste.

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Would you say Bernie Mac took Robin Harris' whole shtick?
I mean listen to Robin's BeBe's Kids routine and then listen to Mac's routine about the kids.
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Reply #52 posted 07/18/18 4:54pm

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Would you say Bernie Mac took Robin Harris' whole shtick? I mean listen to Robin's BeBe's Kids routine and then listen to Mac's routine about the kids.

Can't steal a shtick and something that is true.

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LittleBLUECorvette said:


Would you say Bernie Mac took Robin Harris' whole shtick? I mean listen to Robin's BeBe's Kids routine and then listen to Mac's routine about the kids.

Can't steal a shtick and something that is true.


It was a routine, Bernie doesn't have a sister. He had a brother who died very young.
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Reply #54 posted 07/18/18 5:32pm

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Can't steal a shtick and something that is true.

It was a routine, Bernie doesn't have a sister. He had a brother who died very young.

Lol....Bernie was around these type of kids on a regular basis and the that is what he talked about. Between his daughter, relatives and friends, he was around kids everyday when he wasn't on the road.

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A 2004 Comedy Central list ranked Bernie at #72 right below his Kings of Comedy buddies #65 Cedric the Entertainer and #54 DL Hughley.
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Reply #56 posted 07/25/18 2:15am

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Comedy is a "funny" thing (pardon the pun)


Murphy is considered one of the greats but his material doesn't stand up over time.


Listen to Eddie's work today, very dated and quite corney even though it was great at the time it was done. How do u guys see his work?




Certian guys stand up over time much better. Chappell, Rock, Pryor, Mac.....and great over time.


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I agree about the outdated factor. Granted, I could definitely still see the humor, but with certain stuff (namely the gay jokes) it got tired. I’ll still love to see him come back and do a stand up special & this time probably put sincerity & thought into his material, seeing that he matured since then.
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Reply #57 posted 07/25/18 8:17am

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Graycap23 said:

Comedy is a "funny" thing (pardon the pun)

Murphy is considered one of the greats but his material doesn't stand up over time.

Listen to Eddie's work today, very dated and quite corney even though it was great at the time it was done. How do u guys see his work?

Certian guys stand up over time much better. Chappell, Rock, Pryor, Mac......and great over time.

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I agree about the outdated factor. Granted, I could definitely still see the humor, but with certain stuff (namely the gay jokes) it got tired. I’ll still love to see him come back and do a stand up special & this time probably put sincerity & thought into his material, seeing that he matured since then.




One of Murphy's bits from 35 years ago still makes me laugh.



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Reply #58 posted 07/25/18 8:56am

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Hamad said:

Graycap23 said:

Comedy is a "funny" thing (pardon the pun)


Murphy is considered one of the greats but his material doesn't stand up over time.


Listen to Eddie's work today, very dated and quite corney even though it was great at the time it was done. How do u guys see his work?




Certian guys stand up over time much better. Chappell, Rock, Pryor, Mac.....and great over time.


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I agree about the outdated factor. Granted, I could definitely still see the humor, but with certain stuff (namely the gay jokes) it got tired. I’ll still love to see him come back and do a stand up special & this time probably put sincerity & thought into his material, seeing that he matured since then.


I don't agree with the notion that a joke can ever be outdated. If it was funny then, it's funny now. Eddie Murphy's bit about having a nightmare where he goes to Hollywood and finds out Mr. T is gay is hilarious.
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Hamad said:



I agree about the outdated factor. Granted, I could definitely still see the humor, but with certain stuff (namely the gay jokes) it got tired. I’ll still love to see him come back and do a stand up special & this time probably put sincerity & thought into his material, seeing that he matured since then.


I don't agree with the notion that a joke can ever be outdated. If it was funny then, it's funny now. Eddie Murphy's bit about having a nightmare where he goes to Hollywood and finds out Mr. T is gay is hilarious.


Respectfully agree to disagree then. There were many comics back in the day who used Asian men & culture as a punch line (among other racial groups) yeah the audience laughed then. If they performed the same jokes now would they generate the same reaction? Can Eddie Murphy get away with his same gay jokes in 2018 especially his history post-Raw? That’s what I meant by outdated.
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