OldFriends4Sale said:

i LOVE Angela, but after it is all said and done, the movie did not need her star power at all.
Just reflecting, she really did nothing for the role. The daughter Shuri, really shined as a supporting actor. I think Angela should have sat this one out and let someone else have a chance to shine. It would have gotten another upcoming or not so known actress a little more shine.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think they wanted to cast an actress with a strong draw in that role because the queen mother is meant to be a foundation character. She isn't T'Challa's biological mother in the comics. N'yami died in childbirth.

I can't think of another actress whose presence is more regal although her role was minimal.

I did not even know she was in it until she appeared.
I was thinking of Alfre Woodard I love her presence.

or even Naomi Campbell

babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

i LOVE Angela, but after it is all said and done, the movie did not need her star power at all.
Just reflecting, she really did nothing for the role. The daughter Shuri, really shined as a supporting actor. I think Angela should have sat this one out and let someone else have a chance to shine. It would have gotten another upcoming or not so known actress a little more shine.

I think they wanted to cast an actress with a strong draw in that role because the queen mother is meant to be a foundation character. She isn't T'Challa's biological mother in the comics. N'yami died in childbirth.

I can't think of another actress whose presence is more regal although her role was minimal.

EmmaMcG said:

wonder505 said:

Things are mighty quiet on the DC side You could hear a pin drop. Good writing is where Marvel is killing 'em, where yes characters like Black Panther and even Deadpool come out on top. Not since Chris Nolan's Batman series have I been impressed with DC. They needed Wonder Woman to succeed.

Warner Bros completely fucked up with the DCEU. And that's coming from someone who liked both Batman V Superman and The Justice League movies. But just because I enjoyed them doesn't mean I can't see what went wrong. Studio interference killed Batman V Superman. Warner Bros made Zack Snyder cut a large portion of the movie because they felt it was too long and wanted a softer, pg 13 rating but in trimming those scenes they cut out vital parts of the story. The extended cut is by far a better movie despite the horrible CGI Doomsday but the damage was already done. And Suicide Squad didn't help either. Margot Robbie was perfect casting as Harley Quinn and they found a really good actor to play the Joker so in theory, they should have had a great movie on their hands where the Suicide Squad would be assembled to take out the Joker and Harley would be effectively used as bait to lure him out. But instead they relegated Joker to barely a cameo and instead opted for a CGI witch and her CGI brother as villains who must be stopped because of reasons. There really isn't much more to it than that. Massive opportunity squandered. Wonder Woman was great for 3 quarters of the movie until, lo and behold, another terrible CGI villain shows up for a fight. Still a very good movie but the last 20 minutes are pretty weak. Justice League was simultaneously great but also a disaster. Trying to mix Zack Snyder's dark tone he established in Man Of Steel and Batman V Superman with the lighthearted Joss Whedon additions made for a tonal abomination. Had either director made the movie alone it would have been great. The interactions between the team felt natural despite the rushed premise but ultimately, it was a movie stitched together and it shows. And look, another awful CGI villain. Aquaman is next for WB and DC but given what's come before, you'd be crazy to think it will be on par with Marvels best. And with Ben Affleck, who has been a true highlight of the DCEU so far, possibly not returning for the next Batman movie due to him wanting more creative control so he can prevent himself appearing in another disaster, and with Warner seemingly lacking a long term plan, perhaps the best thing they could do would be to use the Flashpoint movie to rewrite the entire thing and start again with a clear direction and competent filmmakers to bring these characters to the screen in a manner befitting their status.

WB fucked up by trying to establish their universe in one fell swoop. Marvel set up theirs over several years, introducing each character seperately.

As an outsider whose superhero knowledge is limited to the tv shows of the 50s, 60s, & 70s. I'd say that Marvel pushes more science/tech, skill and masculine sexuality than DC. From what I can see while a lot of the "superpowers" are other worldly or something mystical, in Marvel the edge is the tech used to enhance the mystical abilities of something. I think that's what made Batman, who I know is DC, so impressive is him being a human guy with amazing tech. I don't find myself all that enamored by Superman as I was with Batman, big deal he can lift a bus, he was born that way. Personally, I'm turned on by more of the men from Marvel, even Mark Ruffalo looks hot. Spiderman, even though he is an adorable, bright, energetic teenager, he is cut as heck. The men of Black Panther, oh my gawd, drool, as a woman born and raised in this culture, all that is a delightful visual treat.

morningsong said:

EmmaMcG said:

morningsong said:

As an outsider whose superhero knowledge is limited to the tv shows of the 50s, 60s, & 70s. I'd say that Marvel pushes more science/tech, skill and masculine sexuality than DC. From what I can see while a lot of the "superpowers" are other worldly or something mystical, in Marvel the edge is the tech used to enhance the mystical abilities of something. I think that's what made Batman, who I know is DC, so impressive is him being a human guy with amazing tech. I don't find myself all that enamored by Superman as I was with Batman, big deal he can lift a bus, he was born that way. Personally, I'm turned on by more of the men from Marvel, even Mark Ruffalo looks hot. Spiderman, even though he is an adorable, bright, energetic teenager, he is cut as heck. The men of Black Panther, oh my gawd, drool, as a woman born and raised in this culture, all that is a delightful visual treat.

Horny bitch

Hey, not my fault Marvel is smart enough to tap into something else. You can't tell me all those men aren't hot, even Andy was looking kinda fit hisself.

morningsong said:

EmmaMcG said:

morningsong said:

Hey, not my fault Marvel is smart enough to tap into something else. You can't tell me all those men aren't hot, even Andy was looking kinda fit hisself.

Oh I agree with you 100%.

I had to be honest. As embarrassing as it may be to say, I've literally gotten turned on watching Marvel movies, it kind of took me by surprise really because that just doesn't happen, ever. I've mentioned here before, looking at Cheadle, my brain just shutoff for just a second or two, and went primal. The fact that it keeps happening in different movies tells me they figured something out. Kind of annoying when you think about. I mean aren't women supposed to be turned on by what turns on men?

A tiny bit of sidetracking.

http://www.zawadee.com/blog/ca/the-majestic-african-black-panther

Black panthers are a symbol of courage, strength and personal leadership, and are revered by many throughout the world.

Because of their rarity, unbridled strength and power, it’s no surprise that these majestic, solitary creatures have woven their way into African mythology.

The typical markings of a leopard are still there, so if the light hits a black panther just right, you can still see its spots.

Black Panthers in Mythology and as a Potent Symbol

Black panthers have long held a certain mystique throughout the world. The ancient Romans admired the animals, and even had a few imported from Africa for public displays and games.

Many cultures have been fascinated by the symbolism of black panthers. They’ve been thought to symbolize:

• The feminine, the dark mother, the dark of the moon
• Darkness, death and rebirth from it
• The protector of the universe

Black panthers have played an important role in African mythology, as well. Early Egyptians would sacrifice panthers to various gods and Egyptian priests wore the skin of the panther.

In the Egyptian Book of the Dead, Pepi the king must pass through the ceiling of heaven by wearing a black panther skin draped across his shoulders. This signified that he had given up his need for the earthly realm and was ready to go on to heaven.

morningsong said:

EmmaMcG said:

morningsong said: Oh I agree with you 100%.

I had to be honest. As embarrassing as it may be to say, I've literally gotten turned on watching Marvel movies, it kind of took me by surprise really because that just doesn't happen, ever. I've mentioned here before, looking at Cheadle, my brain just shutoff for just a second or two, and went primal. The fact that it keeps happening in different movies tells me they figured something out. Kind of annoying when you think about. I mean aren't women supposed to be turned on by what turns on men?

Girl, I could watch Thor recite the alphabet....he is soo cute.

There were so many in Black Panther it ain't even funny. M'Baku was sumthin else. He could bark at me any day!

babynoz said:

morningsong said:

I had to be honest. As embarrassing as it may be to say, I've literally gotten turned on watching Marvel movies, it kind of took me by surprise really because that just doesn't happen, ever. I've mentioned here before, looking at Cheadle, my brain just shutoff for just a second or two, and went primal. The fact that it keeps happening in different movies tells me they figured something out. Kind of annoying when you think about. I mean aren't women supposed to be turned on by what turns on men?

Girl, I could watch Thor recite the alphabet....he is soo cute.

There were so many in Black Panther it ain't even funny. M'Baku was sumthin else. He could bark at me any day!

There's an array of masculine energy in Marvel-verse that's for sure. Which is what I found fascinating about BP, the women were empowered without diminishing the men in any form.

babynoz said:

morningsong said:

I had to be honest. As embarrassing as it may be to say, I've literally gotten turned on watching Marvel movies, it kind of took me by surprise really because that just doesn't happen, ever. I've mentioned here before, looking at Cheadle, my brain just shutoff for just a second or two, and went primal. The fact that it keeps happening in different movies tells me they figured something out. Kind of annoying when you think about. I mean aren't women supposed to be turned on by what turns on men?

Girl, I could watch Thor recite the alphabet....he is soo cute.

There were so many in Black Panther it ain't even funny. M'Baku was sumthin else. He could bark at me any day!

morningsong said:

Black panthers are a symbol of courage, strength and personal leadership, and are revered by many throughout the world.

Because of their rarity, unbridled strength and power, it’s no surprise that these majestic, solitary creatures have woven their way into African mythology.

Black Panthers in Mythology and as a Potent Symbol

Black panthers have long held a certain mystique throughout the world. The ancient Romans admired the animals, and even had a few imported from Africa for public displays and games.

Many cultures have been fascinated by the symbolism of black panthers. They’ve been thought to symbolize:

• The feminine, the dark mother, the dark of the moon
• Darkness, death and rebirth from it
• The protector of the universe

Black panthers have played an important role in African mythology, as well. Early Egyptians would sacrifice panthers to various gods and Egyptian priests wore the skin of the panther.

In the Egyptian Book of the Dead, Pepi the king must pass through the ceiling of heaven by wearing a black panther skin draped across his shoulders. This signified that he had given up his need for the earthly realm and was ready to go on to heaven.

It was also the symbol of the Lowndes County Freedom organization out of Alabama, the first known "Black Panther Party," which was formed by members of SNCC.

namepeace said:

morningsong said:

Black panthers are a symbol of courage, strength and personal leadership, and are revered by many throughout the world.

Because of their rarity, unbridled strength and power, it’s no surprise that these majestic, solitary creatures have woven their way into African mythology.

Black Panthers in Mythology and as a Potent Symbol

Black panthers have long held a certain mystique throughout the world. The ancient Romans admired the animals, and even had a few imported from Africa for public displays and games.

Many cultures have been fascinated by the symbolism of black panthers. They’ve been thought to symbolize:

• The feminine, the dark mother, the dark of the moon
• Darkness, death and rebirth from it
• The protector of the universe

Black panthers have played an important role in African mythology, as well. Early Egyptians would sacrifice panthers to various gods and Egyptian priests wore the skin of the panther.

In the Egyptian Book of the Dead, Pepi the king must pass through the ceiling of heaven by wearing a black panther skin draped across his shoulders. This signified that he had given up his need for the earthly realm and was ready to go on to heaven.

It was also the symbol of the Lowndes County Freedom organization out of Alabama, the first known "Black Panther Party," which was formed by members of SNCC.

Yep, a lot of people throughout history have used a very powerful symbol to represent many things.

Nigeria: Black Panther, a Good Film With Many Lessons for Nigeria


http://allafrica.com/stories/201803070056.html

Institutions are important

Wakanda was portrayed as a technological giant, which ruled great kinds, supported by a council, and traditions are held in high esteem. But it was easy to see that most of the decisions are those of the king, which presents serious institutional problems. Institutional order in the dispensation of justice could have helped handle the betrayal of Wakanda by the king's brother, which would have prevented the hatred of Wakanda, which filled the heart of the nephew who was left behind.

Killmonger's liberation philosophy was terrible

The most successful tyrants always have simple philosophies, which on the surface appear good. We only see the deviousness of the plan after a second look.

Nigeria's hope is Nigerians

One of Wakanda's most valuable resources was mentioned in the film, but not shown - many Wakandans abroad providing intelligence to their country back home. There's enough Nigerian talent abroad to turn our country into a technology and industry giant. The question then is how we can make the environment conducive for them to return and contribute to its growth and development.

We always need strategic alliances

One of my favourite characters in the film was Mbaku, the big chief from the mountain tribe. He sounded and acted very Nigerian, which made me like him a lot. His alliance with T'Challa was very innocuous - having failed to defeat the new king in the challenge for the throne, the king encouraged him to give up, that he will be useful to the king in the future. That little moment is the reason Wakanda was saved later in the film.

Women in Africa get things done

One important thing I noticed in Wakanda was the strong role of women in all aspects - defense, technology, leadership, spiritual leadership, among others.

morningsong said:

babynoz said:

Girl, I could watch Thor recite the alphabet....he is soo cute.

There were so many in Black Panther it ain't even funny. M'Baku was sumthin else. He could bark at me any day!

There's an array of masculine energy in Marvel-verse that's for sure. Which is what I found fascinating about BP, the women were empowered without diminishing the men in any form.

Exactly. Very well done.

babynoz said:

uPtoWnNY said:

For someone who grew up on Marvel Comics during the 70s, finally seeing their characters being done right on the big screen is a dream come true.

One character Marvel needs to do is Sub-Mariner. Namor was always one of my favorites...he's one of the few that can go toe-to-toe with the Hulk.

There seems to remain some confusion as to who owns the rights to Namor, Universal (wh still own Hulk) or Marvel.

I need a codpiece.

uPtoWnNY said:

For someone who grew up on Marvel Comics during the 70s, finally seeing their characters being done right on the big screen is a dream come true.

One character Marvel needs to do is Sub-Mariner. Namor was always one of my favorites...he's one of the few that can go toe-to-toe with the Hulk.

Yes, he would be a great addition to the Marvel movies

OldFriends4Sale said:

uPtoWnNY said:

For someone who grew up on Marvel Comics during the 70s, finally seeing their characters being done right on the big screen is a dream come true.

One character Marvel needs to do is Sub-Mariner. Namor was always one of my favorites...he's one of the few that can go toe-to-toe with the Hulk.

Yes, he would be a great addition to the Marvel movies

At this rate, we'll see it next decade.

And you're right -- Namor is one of my very favorite Marvel characters. I loved the Sub-Mariner cartoon and theme song.

namepeace said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, he would be a great addition to the Marvel movies

At this rate, we'll see it next decade.

And you're right -- Namor is one of my very favorite Marvel characters. I loved the Sub-Mariner cartoon and theme song.

2freaky4church1 said:

I need a codpiece.

djThunderfunk said:

uPtoWnNY said:

For someone who grew up on Marvel Comics during the 70s, finally seeing their characters being done right on the big screen is a dream come true.

One character Marvel needs to do is Sub-Mariner. Namor was always one of my favorites...he's one of the few that can go toe-to-toe with the Hulk.

There seems to remain some confusion as to who owns the rights to Namor, Universal (wh still own Hulk) or Marvel.

I read some things on that. I believe it is concluded that he belongs to Marvel.

OldFriends4Sale said:

djThunderfunk said:

There seems to remain some confusion as to who owns the rights to Namor, Universal (wh still own Hulk) or Marvel.

I read some things on that. I believe it is concluded that he belongs to Marvel.

There are conflicting reports. Kevin Feige at Marvel Studios has said Universal still has it while Joe Quesada at Marvel Comics has said Marvel has it. Both should know what they're talking about.

While Marvel's Black Panther managed to pull off an impressive four-peat at the domestic box office this weekend, the superhero adventure's debut in its final international market, China, is making headlines as well. Black Panther pulled in an impressive $66.5M in the Middle Kingdom, with this three-day tally already enough to become the movie's top international market. The $66.5M Chinese haul surpasses the U.K ($55.8M), South Korea ($42.8M) and Brazil ($29.6M), although it may not make much more in China, according to other reports.

Black Panther marks the first foreign movie to open in China since the middle of February, when the country imposes a "blackout" period on all non-Chinese films due to the Chinese New Year holiday, where local films are given distribution priority. Other reports reveal that Black Panther hasn't exactly been receiving favorable reviews on local website Douban, and with a competitive spring season ahead, Black Panther is projected to earn between $100M and $110M in China throughout its theatrical release there, although it's worth noting that the movie has far exceeded all of its Box Office projections thus far.

Black Panther had a 53% market share in China through its opening weekend, and its $66.5M debut represented the fourth-largest Marvel Cinematic Universe movie debut in China, behind Spider-Man: Homecoming ($69.2M), Captain America: Civil War ($93.6M) and Avengers: Age of Ultron ($155.7M). The $66.5M debut also marked the biggest opening weekend for a non-Chinese film in the Middle Kingdom to date, bringing Black Panther's worldwide total to $1.078B, with $562M domestic and $516M foreign.


https://movieweb.com/black-panther-chinese-box-office-first-weekend/