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Thread started 12/20/17 7:31pm

daingermouz202
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Kevin Spacey's paycheck

Since Kevin Spacey was let go on the movie All the Money in the World and replaced by Christopher Plummer Does Kevin still get paid? How do these situations work?
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Reply #1 posted 12/20/17 7:48pm

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He did the work, so he got paid for that. It's the same as a musician being paid for working on someone's album (as a guest rapper or session musician or whatever). They get paid for working, but it's up to whoever is in charge whether that work is used or not. You don't pay someone because you don't like them. If you don't like them, you pay them for what they do to that point, then find someone else to do further work. Imagine working a job, then not being paid on payday because your boss just decides he doesn't like you, or found out you got drunk at a bar, or fired you. You're still owed money from what you did do to that point.

The only way Spacey would be paid further is if he invested in the film (as producer) or had a deal for the backend (like Nicholson did with Batman and its merchandising), then he would get paid again. A contract is a contract. However, since there's no great backend to a film like that (opposed to a super hero film), I doubt he has any other money coming in from that particular project. He was not a producer on this film either, so he has no investment to be paid back on there either.

An interesting note about this film: Ridley Scott is the director. It's the second time Scott's had to work with a missing actor. Oliver Reed died during the filming of Gladiator, and it was one of the first times they CGI'd a face with a speaking part onto another actor's (stand-in) body. It's a quick shot, and it's noticeable, but the scene was needed. All the Money In The World spent approximately $10M (including having Walburg and Williams go back to Rome) to reshoot the scenes with Plummer and re-edit the film.

The only other example CGI'ing a face that stands out, off hand, is when Brandon Lee died during The Crow and they had to put him back into the film in a few spots. But that wasn't a Scott production.

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Reply #2 posted 12/21/17 8:53pm

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Ok, thanx 4 the info.
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Reply #3 posted 12/22/17 5:32am

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and if he negotiated for a cut he would likely still get his cut. and he should.

I asked in the other topic why a person accused of such could never act again? But I think this will blow over soon and Kevin will start to get work again. Actors have killed people and ended up working again... and look at one of the hottest actors today... Robert Downey Jr!

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Reply #4 posted 12/22/17 7:23am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

and if he negotiated for a cut he would likely still get his cut. and he should.

I asked in the other topic why a person accused of such could never act again? But I think this will blow over soon and Kevin will start to get work again. Actors have killed people and ended up working again... and look at one of the hottest actors today... Robert Downey Jr!



That's not a fair comparison. Robert was a drug addict, like many in Hollywood. He's never fucked a child, and to our knowledge, he's never sexually harassed or abused another person, nor has he murdered anyone intentionally or otherwise. Kevin Spacey has a laundry list of people he's abused, harassed, and demeaned with unwanted sexual advances. RDJ is often praised for his compassion for people and his really intense worth ethic.

Spacey has 16 people accusing him of sexual misconduct. That's not even apples and oranges. It's pears and garlic.

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Reply #5 posted 12/22/17 8:04am

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TrivialPursuit said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

and if he negotiated for a cut he would likely still get his cut. and he should.

I asked in the other topic why a person accused of such could never act again? But I think this will blow over soon and Kevin will start to get work again. Actors have killed people and ended up working again... and look at one of the hottest actors today... Robert Downey Jr!



That's not a fair comparison. Robert was a drug addict, like many in Hollywood. He's never fucked a child, and to our knowledge, he's never sexually harassed or abused another person, nor has he murdered anyone intentionally or otherwise. Kevin Spacey has a laundry list of people he's abused, harassed, and demeaned with unwanted sexual advances. RDJ is often praised for his compassion for people and his really intense worth ethic.

Spacey has 16 people accusing him of sexual misconduct. That's not even apples and oranges. It's pears and garlic.

so are you saying anyone that did that should never work again? or just not work in the job they had when the crime was committed. And I did not even know that spacy had been accused of a crime or was it just allegations of misconduct?

and what of those that killed people? why are they often allowed to go back to their jobs?


EDIT: and I read the list and i did not see any accounts of having sex with any children, he did hit on some kids which is horrible... and I have little doubt he would have... but i did not find any actual accounts of child rape... are there?

[Edited 12/22/17 8:08am]

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Reply #6 posted 12/22/17 8:47am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



TrivialPursuit said:




OnlyNDaUsa said:


and if he negotiated for a cut he would likely still get his cut. and he should.



I asked in the other topic why a person accused of such could never act again? But I think this will blow over soon and Kevin will start to get work again. Actors have killed people and ended up working again... and look at one of the hottest actors today... Robert Downey Jr!





That's not a fair comparison. Robert was a drug addict, like many in Hollywood. He's never fucked a child, and to our knowledge, he's never sexually harassed or abused another person, nor has he murdered anyone intentionally or otherwise. Kevin Spacey has a laundry list of people he's abused, harassed, and demeaned with unwanted sexual advances. RDJ is often praised for his compassion for people and his really intense worth ethic.

Spacey has 16 people accusing him of sexual misconduct. That's not even apples and oranges. It's pears and garlic.





so are you saying anyone that did that should never work again? or just not work in the job they had when the crime was committed. And I did not even know that spacy had been accused of a crime or was it just allegations of misconduct?

and what of those that killed people? why are they often allowed to go back to their jobs?


EDIT: and I read the list and i did not see any accounts of having sex with any children, he did hit on some kids which is horrible... and I have little doubt he would have... but i did not find any actual accounts of child rape... are there?

[Edited 12/22/17 8:08am]



He may not have raped anyone (that we know of) but coming on to a minor with the intent of having sex with him should have seen him thrown in jail. Or at the very least he should have had his head kicked in for it. That's assuming he knew the kid was underage. I'm not sure if he did know that or not. If not, well then it could be chalked up as a mistake and the issue forgotten about. Unfortunately, I don't think it was a mistake and I'd be pretty sure he knew what he was doing. Which is a shame because I really like Kevin Spacey. He's appeared in some of my favourite movies.

Now, I'll still watch them movies and still love them and I won't think about his crimes while I'm watching them but that doesn't mean I think he should be allowed to act again after what he did. Some crimes can be forgiven. Some can't. He wanted to commit a crime that can not be forgiven and for that, he should never be allowed to act again. Nobody wins in this case, he can't do his job and we can't enjoy his performances but that's just the way it has to be and maybe it will prevent this kind of thing happening in the future.
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Reply #7 posted 12/22/17 11:35am

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fuck kevin spacey... creepy fuck

i used to really dig him as an actor... now i'm not interested in watching his movies... i was going to watch baby driver when this all broke... i'll skip it now... small price to pay... fuck him

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Reply #8 posted 12/22/17 11:38am

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I agree what he did and was accused of *and we can assume there were more cases and ones he was able to carry it out* was horrible and he should face the music... (weird how I am the one defending all these liberals to the extent that the punishment should be reasonable) and that they should be at some point be allowed to work again--if he can find an audience.

and it is folly to have the stance that for some crimes that person can never have a job in that field again and NOT one that anyone would be 100% consistent with...

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Reply #9 posted 12/22/17 12:24pm

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MoBettaBliss said:

fuck kevin spacey... creepy fuck

i used to really dig him as an actor... now i'm not interested in watching his movies... i was going to watch baby driver when this all broke... i'll skip it now... small price to pay... fuck him


I rarely boycott an actor but I first did that with Tom Cruise when he lost his mind with Matt Lauer, Brooke Shields, showed his ass on Oprah and turned into a special level of asshole. He could only hide that Scientology brainwashing for so long. I haven't seen a movie of his that he's made since that time. Spacey, while I've not seen a lot of his movies is easily on my list.

But it's a tough call because there are soooo guys just fucking up so bad. Do we boycott all Weinstein company films? That's 2/3 of Hollywood!

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Reply #10 posted 12/22/17 12:27pm

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TrivialPursuit said:



MoBettaBliss said:


fuck kevin spacey... creepy fuck

i used to really dig him as an actor... now i'm not interested in watching his movies... i was going to watch baby driver when this all broke... i'll skip it now... small price to pay... fuck him




I rarely boycott an actor but I first did that with Tom Cruise when he lost his mind with Matt Lauer, Brooke Shields, showed his ass on Oprah and turned into a special level of asshole. He could only hide that Scientology brainwashing for so long. I haven't seen a movie of his that he's made since that time. Spacey, while I've not seen a lot of his movies is easily on my list.

But it's a tough call because there are soooo guys just fucking up so bad. Do we boycott all Weinstein company films? That's 2/3 of Hollywood!



You're missing out on some good movies if you're boycotting Tom Cruise. Who cares if he follows a bat shit crazy religion? Most actors in Hollywood do that.
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Reply #11 posted 12/22/17 12:30pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

MoBettaBliss said:

fuck kevin spacey... creepy fuck

i used to really dig him as an actor... now i'm not interested in watching his movies... i was going to watch baby driver when this all broke... i'll skip it now... small price to pay... fuck him


I rarely boycott an actor but I first did that with Tom Cruise when he lost his mind with Matt Lauer, Brooke Shields, showed his ass on Oprah and turned into a special level of asshole. He could only hide that Scientology brainwashing for so long. I haven't seen a movie of his that he's made since that time. Spacey, while I've not seen a lot of his movies is easily on my list.

But it's a tough call because there are soooo guys just fucking up so bad. Do we boycott all Weinstein company films? That's 2/3 of Hollywood!



it's not really a boycott... i just can't watch people that creep me out... and kevin is now well and truly in that pot... it's why i don't watch ben affleck movies... he makes my skin crawl

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Reply #12 posted 12/22/17 12:39pm

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MoBettaBliss said:

it's not really a boycott... i just can't watch people that creep me out... and kevin is now well and truly in that pot... it's why i don't watch ben affleck movies... he makes my skin crawl


Well, it's just semantics. If an individual level if someone chooses not to watch a certain actor, or listen to an artist for a certain reason, it's a boycott. Same as not giving a shop your business, etc.

There is something odd about Affleck, I hear ya there. I am the same way about Adam Sandler and Andy Samburg, which is why I'll never watch That's My Boy. They're just terrible; but I did enjoy Funny People. I'm 50/50 with Will Ferrell. He ruined a few good TV shows-made-into-movies. My mantra for years has been "Will Ferrell ruins everything!" But I can never not laugh at Stepbrothers or feel bad at Everything Must Go.

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