OnlyNDaUsa said:

Anakin understood R2 in the prequels? I don't remember that. Whats an example?

I buy that Luke would learn to speak astro droid in the years post Endor pre exile. I have a tougher time with Rey understanding Shyriiwook so flawlessly.

ufoclub said:

Hudson said:

Wait, what scene is Anakin understanding R2? Seriously I will check it out if you give a specific example.

I'd say in a cockpit, it doesn't count, because that was where Empire Strikes back established that there is a translation on-screen. A big part of Star Wars and Empire was that whenever R2 started beeping, C3po would be asked by an exasperated human, "What's he saying now?"

It was a great convention.

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Saw Last Jedi again last night....much better on the second viewing, but I still dont like where they are taking the franchise. SW has ALWAYS been about the Skywalker's, and it looks to me that this trilogy is the Skywalker swan song, and the saga will continue with random people becoming the saviors of the galaxy. Not the way I expected things to go, but they pretty much told us that in the trailers, right? There were so many ways they could have kept the Skywalker family going, but it is what it is. Barring some miraculous development, I think the Solo movie and Ep IX will be the end of my SW fandom.

As Han said in the last movie, "That's not how the Force works".

I like Star Wars enough that I'd rather watch a bad Star Wars movie than most anything else. That said, this one was better than Phantom Menace but worse than all the rest.

I just got back and I'm glad I didn't go with any of the salty mofos on this thread. This is supposed to be fun but some of y'all could ruin a damn orgasm.


I had big fun and thought there was a nice balance between story and action. The movie is rather long though. They probably could have cut the casino scene shorter and that commander should have figured out to ram that ship way before so many shuttles got destroyed. She was dumb and unfit for command.

Some humans including Luke did understand droids even in the Clone Wars as Emma says, so get over it already,

The epic Jedi Mind Trick did not bother me because Luke was able to access Kylo through Rey. I loved that shit!

I actually thought that Luke and Kylo were sort of making the same point from different perspectives...hmmm.

The only person who looked awkward in the fight scenes was Finn, just like the last movie. Otherwise the fight scenes were good.

I thought it was Kylo who saved his mother when she was ejected from the ship??? He maintained her life force while she was frozen long enough for her to get safely aboard the other vessel.

There were only two little things that I found annoying. Why tf was Snoke made to resemble Voldemort and Kylo Ren so much like Snape? For a minute I had to wonder if Harry Potter was going to jump out with his wand, lol!

PS....I think that Kylo lied to Ren about her parents to manipulate her into joining him.

I had a great time. I liked this movie better than Force Awakens.

I kept calling Poe, Bruno....

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He should have worn pants that didn't go all the way up to his breastplate.

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ufoclub said:

I've seen the Saturday Night 10:30 PM [CST] showing on 12/16/2017. Despite the flaws, I like TLJ better than TFA.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

This is for discussion with spoilers! I did not want to post them in the other topics?
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I saw it and I liked it a LOT! as others have said it doesn't 'feel' much like Star Wars!

I did not like how Luke was used. I did not like the new powers we saw. I thought that R2 was underused... and Yoda looked like crap!


Overall the pacing was fine. I was with a 10-year-old with major ADHD and he sat and watched it all with no problems. He said he wanted to see it again.

So Luke refuses to help or train Rey. But R2 convinces which was sweet... but wait... Luke seemed to understand R2's language! What? that is silly.

Also odd... Leia's ship is hit and she is sucked into space but uses the force to pull herself (not really flying) into the ship... I thought that was a stretch!

Also: Fin and Rose go off on a mission that was as far as I can tell totally worthless and not very believable. In fact, it ends up costing the Resistance a great number of loses. The entire subplot was worthless and should have never made it to shooting.

Oh and on the island, Yoda shows up and he looks horrible... he makes the original TPM one look great... and the ghost effect seemed to be off too... but whatever...

But then Luke shows and wait why did he dye his beard? Oh he was not really there... another very odd choice and a new power that seems to me to be not at all reasonable.


But then Luke becomes one with the force and the few remaining people escape.


Then at the very end a Boy, back on the plant Fin and Rose go to, seems to use the force to pick up a broom...

There is some truth to the rumor that the Star Wars Saga is being treated like the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

EmmaMcG said:

ufoclub said:

EmmaMcG said:

ufoclub said:

The “Clone Wars” is not written with the extreme vetting and deliberation and artistic intent (such as references to classic adventure movies from the the 60’s and earlier) as the actual Star Wars movies where even ghost writers come in to doctor things. But you can’t think of one scene in the prequels that shows Anakin directly understanding R2? Just one moment?

The Clone Wars is part of official canon though, regardless of who wrote it. And there are several characters who can understand R2 in that. I haven't watched it since it originally aired but I seem to remember one of the minor characters asking Anakin how he understood binary, the language R2 'speaks' and Anakin mentioned something about being around droids all his life. I can't find the exact scene on YouTube but seriously, just Google it. It has already been established that some humans can understand the bleeping droids and generally speaking, the ones who can understand them are mechanics or people who have spent a lot of time with them. Which suggests to me that it's a language that can be learned like any other. Which makes Rey understanding BB-8 not as unusual as a lot of people want to think it is. It would also account for Luke having learned it between episodes 6 and 8. Although, considering some of the other things that happen in the Star Wars saga it seems weird that people would question a characters ability to understand a robot. It's Star Wars. George Lucas himself said it was a fantasy movie rather than a sci fi movie.

We might find that the future movies disregard or never refer or link characters to The Clones Wars animated series. Just as these new movies disregarded the expanded universe of novels and comics.

From my perspective, George Lucas made it a big deal in the original movie that humans could not understand the droids unless they was a translator. Even to someone who was always around droids like Luke. The cool thing about Star Wars was that there were little rules or elements that seemed like consistent, realistic anchors in a very fantastic exotic setting. The fact that now you could say "but it's star wars, come on" is what is wrong in varying degrees with all the sequels that came after the original 1977 Star Wars. They lost that cool discipline in order to continue to become a profit churning machine. So in the later movies (even slightly in Empire Strikes Back) there are chinks in the armor of the fiction. Basically, for me, only Star Wars the 1977 version is canon. Everything else has flaws or holes in the narrative ranging from few to many.

2freaky4church1 said:

The good guys win, the bad guys lose. Done. Don't have to see it now.

......except that you need to see the last 5 minutes of SW:TLJ to understand why an upcoming SW episode 9 is necessary. The Rebel Forces are going to need new members & new allies to replace a lot of people they lost. And there is still the Rey [the real last Jedi] vs. Kylo [new Sith Lord] angle that needs to play itself out.

ufoclub said:

The fact that now you could say "but it's star wars, come on" is what is wrong in varying degrees with all the sequels that came after the original 1977 Star Wars. They lost that cool discipline in order to continue to become a profit churning machine. So in the later movies (even slightly in Empire Strikes Back) there are chinks in the armor of the fiction. Basically, for me, only Star Wars the 1977 version is canon.

I know what you mean. I remember vividly my shock and reaction when I first saw ESB in the theatre, when Luke hanging upside down suddenly pulls the lightsaber. I just went what the fuck was that?!!?

and now in the last movie the force has become an interplanetary 3D skype system. 1001 generations nothing and now poof "hey look what the force can do! damn, we should have known this during the clone wars! and we also could have done without those blurred blue-ish holograms. D'oh!"
that kinda sucks.

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ufoclub said:

What jarred with me in The Last Jedi:

Trilogy continuity - Sure the director/writer can choose his own direction, but closing down so many poignant plot moments or character developments jerks you out of the movie. Disregard for the lightsaber, Snokes backstory, Phasmas, Chewies grief.

Where it can go - This film almost closed down the story arc. As an Act II, it had no cliff hanger, and little to carry over, except for kids of the future against a backdrop of ending the Kylo/Rey story.

Luke - Each to their own, but I agree with Mark Hamill here, Luke was out of character based on the history and existing plot. Are we supposed to believe that Luke, based on a bad dream, chose to run away from the Force and Jedi...by running off to the home of the Jedi? Knowning all the time he was leaving the galaxy to Kylo? Plus of course, he didn't want to be found, but left a map....

Poor main plot - A Slow ship, is chased by more slow ships, and no one in the First Order thinks to lightspeed catch up or overtake. and in the meantime, Finn can lightspeed to and from the rebel fleet without issue?

Social commentary - Bad arms dealers, animal cruelty, 'Any kid can be a hero'. All a bit disney.

Leia's exit - Her death is now likely to be off screen; but they had the footage and plot line right in front of them that would allow her to go out in front of the fans, saving the resistance, piloting the main ship instead of Laura Dern. Would have been totally fitting for her character.

Visually, I think this is the best SW film to date, but plot wise its the most flawed.

I still enjoyed it, but I have a feeling it will sink down the rankings pretty fast. I didn't come out of this one thinking, I need to know what happens next, and for an act II, that doesn't seem right.

EmmaMcG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

prequels? The clone wars? I rather forget them

They are part of the series though. You can't just say they're not because you don't like them. Believe me, I'd like to just forget about episode one and two but we have to acknowledge their existence. There are numerous callbacks to the prequel trilogy in episodes 7 and 8, as well as in Rogue One. Also, I've seen it mentioned in this thread about Luke's ability to force project himself to another place. That ability was already established in the Rebels series. In fact, a lot of things I've seen listed as plot holes or inconsistencies with the mythology are easily explained in the Clone Wars and Rebels shows. And the weird thing is, I wouldn't even consider myself to be a Star Wars fangirl and I don't claim to have an intimate knowledge of the mythology behind the whole thing but if even I can see that these supposed plot holes and inconsistencies are actually explained and that they make sense then surely anyone can see that. It seems like a lot of complaints about this new trilogy are from people who want to hate it or people who just don't know what they are talking about. [Edited 12/17/17 12:38pm]

Luke is the reference point for the prequels in VIII, when he goes into exposition mode with Rey and even *SPOILER* Yoda. He references Darth Sidious.

Star Wars fans have started a petition to have The Last Jedi removed from SW canon...I cant seem to post links, but you can find it pretty easy if you want to take a look. Hilarious!

From the Wookieepedia entry on Binary (droid language): "While difficult, some organics such as Anakin Skywalker, Hera Syndulla and Rey were able to understand it."


(FYI, Hera Syndulla is a character on Star Wars: Rebels)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Binary

My ranking for the 10 theatrical Star Wars movies:

01 - Star Wars (aka A New Hope)

02 - The Empire Strikes Back

03 - Rogue One

04 - Return Of The Jedi

05 - The Force Awakens

06 - Attack Of The Clones

07 - Revenge Of The Sith

08 - The Last Jedi

09 - The Phantom Menace

10 - The Clone Wars

UncleJam said:

Star Wars fans have started a petition to have The Last Jedi removed from SW canon

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I hope Lucasfilm tells those fanboys to "suck my butt."

Hudson said:

I hope Lucasfilm tells those fanboys to "suck my butt."

While obviously the petition is nonsense and Lucasfilm will not oblige, fanboys should not be casually disregarded.

Without them the Star Wars IP would have brought a fraction of the money it has over the last 40 years and most likely they will be responsible for most of the money it brings in over the next 40. I'm not saying that every decision should be designed to please them, merely that some respect is due.

djThunderfunk said: