PennyPurple said:

214 said:

I don't buy it, not after one of my favorite shows has been cancelled indefinitely because of him.

They were said to have had a meeting with the cast to see if they felt safe filming with Spacey...I guess some of them didn't, thus is why they've stopped filming. And you can blame your hero Spacey for that.

He is not my hero, but i don't think it's fair just because a ilttle mistake he made saveral years ago while he was drunk to end up his carreer, it was not a rape, don't fool yourselves this wasn't even an attempt. He was drunk, when people get drunk, some if not most of them make pretty stupid and even dagerous things. If this were he's way of living throughout these 30 years by now we should know, many more would hava come forward already.

214 said:

PennyPurple said:

They were said to have had a meeting with the cast to see if they felt safe filming with Spacey...I guess some of them didn't, thus is why they've stopped filming. And you can blame your hero Spacey for that.

He is not my hero, but i don't think it's fair just because a ilttle mistake he made saveral years ago while he was drunk to end up his carreer, it was not a rape, don't fool yourselves this wasn't even an attempt. He was drunk, when people get drunk, some if not most of them make pretty stupid and even dagerous things. If this were he's way of living throughout these 30 years by now we should know, many more would hava come forward already.

And because he was drunk, that makes it ok?

214 said:

PennyPurple said:

They were said to have had a meeting with the cast to see if they felt safe filming with Spacey...I guess some of them didn't, thus is why they've stopped filming. And you can blame your hero Spacey for that.

He is not my hero, but i don't think it's fair just because a ilttle mistake he made saveral years ago while he was drunk to end up his carreer, it was not a rape, don't fool yourselves this wasn't even an attempt. He was drunk, when people get drunk, some if not most of them make pretty stupid and even dagerous things. If this were he's way of living throughout these 30 years by now we should know, many more would hava come forward already.

several people from his past are coming forward and saying this is not a surprise nor is it an isolated incident...people saying he has always exhibited abhorrent behavior such as groping men & boys and public masturbation ...such nastiness...

RJOrion said:

several people from his past are coming forward and saying this is not a surprise nor is it an isolated incident...people saying he has always exhibited abhorrent behavior such as groping men & boys and public masturbation ...such nastiness...

Yes they are saying that he solicited male crew members in their early 20s for sex in his trailer on House of Cards.

For those who haven't had "the conversation" with their sons, start early and repeat often.

1. Sex is like boxing, if one party has not agreed--it is a crime.

2. Age of consent! Card your potential consenual sexual partner as if you were serving alcohol.

PennyPurple said:

RJOrion said:

several people from his past are coming forward and saying this is not a surprise nor is it an isolated incident...people saying he has always exhibited abhorrent behavior such as groping men & boys and public masturbation ...such nastiness...

Yes they are saying that he solicited male crew members in their early 20s for sex in his trailer on House of Cards.

Well that's different, you're not sayin he forced them, but ihaven't read any of that yet.

PennyPurple said:

214 said:

He is not my hero, but i don't think it's fair just because a ilttle mistake he made saveral years ago while he was drunk to end up his carreer, it was not a rape, don't fool yourselves this wasn't even an attempt. He was drunk, when people get drunk, some if not most of them make pretty stupid and even dagerous things. If this were he's way of living throughout these 30 years by now we should know, many more would hava come forward already.

And because he was drunk, that makes it ok?

No, it does not, but we all make mistakes big or small but we all do. Not me but all of you do.

214 said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes they are saying that he solicited male crew members in their early 20s for sex in his trailer on House of Cards.

Well that's different, you're not sayin he forced them, but ihaven't read any of that yet.

Just because you haven't read of that, does it make it not true?

And he did force himself on a 14 year old child...but the excuse for that is that he was drunk...and he doesn't remember and he is gay.......

214 said:

PennyPurple said:

And because he was drunk, that makes it ok?

No, it does not, but we all make mistakes big or small but we all do. Not me but all of you do.

a mistake is forgetting to pay your cable bill, or backing out of your driveway and bumping into the garbage cans by the curb... sexual assault on a 14 year old boy is way beyond "mistake"...thats a fuck up.... a bad one...

Is it or is it an allegation

Lour Ferrigno's wife said Bill Cosby sexually assualted her at a function in 1960-something.

She said he tried to kiss her, and it scarred her for life.

PennyPurple said:

Now it's Andy Dick

Actor and comedian Andy Dick has been fired from his role in the film Raising Buchanan following claims of sexual harassment and misconduct on set, he confirmed in an interview to The Hollywood Reporter Monday.

According to THR, Dick, 51, was accused of "groping people’s genitals, unwanted kissing/licking and sexual propositions of at least four members of the production."

In an interview with the outlet, however, Dick denied groping anyone.

"I don't grope people anymore. I don't expose myself anymore," he told The Hollywood Reporter by telephone. "I do understand that the temperature in the world right now is delicate."

"I didn't grope anybody. I might have kissed somebody on the cheek to say goodbye and then licked them. That's my thing," he continued. "It's me being funny. I'm not trying to sexually harass people."

In the interview, Dick, who is known for his often controversial comedy and behavior, also admitted to claims that he propositioned people.

"Of course I'm going to proposition people," he said. "I'm single, depressed, lonely and trying to get a date. They can just say no, and they probably did and then I was done."

https://www.usatoday.com/...817313001/

PennyPurple said:

214 said:

I don't buy it, not after one of my favorite shows has been cancelled indefinitely because of him.

They were said to have had a meeting with the cast to see if they felt safe filming with Spacey...I guess some of them didn't, thus is why they've stopped filming. And you can blame your hero Spacey for that.

well not really. That is on Anthony. None of them knew about this incident in 1986. 1986. And they've been working with him up until this point with no problem.

PennyPurple said:

214 said:

He is not my hero, but i don't think it's fair just because a ilttle mistake he made saveral years ago while he was drunk to end up his carreer, it was not a rape, don't fool yourselves this wasn't even an attempt. He was drunk, when people get drunk, some if not most of them make pretty stupid and even dagerous things. If this were he's way of living throughout these 30 years by now we should know, many more would hava come forward already.

And because he was drunk, that makes it ok?

Different times. No one is saying anything is 'ok'

BUT Bars & Night Clubs & Parties where men and women go to meet other people and drink or get drunk in the meantime, there tends to be a lot of touching and flirting, groping etc

PennyPurple said:

RJOrion said:

several people from his past are coming forward and saying this is not a surprise nor is it an isolated incident...people saying he has always exhibited abhorrent behavior such as groping men & boys and public masturbation ...such nastiness...

Yes they are saying that he solicited male crew members in their early 20s for sex in his trailer on House of Cards.

That isn't illegal

214 said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes they are saying that he solicited male crew members in their early 20s for sex in his trailer on House of Cards.

Well that's different, you're not sayin he forced them, but ihaven't read any of that yet.

If he wasn't famous there wouldn't be an issue.

Kevin didn't force Anthony.

I suspect sexual confusion on both of their parts influenced how things went too

LadyLayla said:

For those who haven't had "the conversation" with their sons, start early and repeat often.

1. Sex is like boxing, if one party has not agreed--it is a crime.

2. Age of consent! Card your potential consenual sexual partner as if you were serving alcohol.

Sons & Daughters

and

3. Do not go into the bedroom nor sit on the bed of any teen/young man/man that you don't intend for something sexual to take place.

Bedrooms/Beds = Sex

'Hey you wanna go to bed?' ie 'Hey you wanna have sex?'

OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple said:

They were said to have had a meeting with the cast to see if they felt safe filming with Spacey...I guess some of them didn't, thus is why they've stopped filming. And you can blame your hero Spacey for that.

well not really. That is on Anthony. None of them knew about this incident in 1986. 1986. And they've been working with him up until this point with no problem.

You must not be keeping up; Spacey while on set of House of Cards, has been soliciting crew members for sex in his trailer.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes they are saying that he solicited male crew members in their early 20s for sex in his trailer on House of Cards.

That isn't illegal

Yes it is. It's called sexual harassment especially when it's on the job. Evidently the crew didn't feel comfortable continuing to work with Spacey and thus cancelled all remaining shows to be filmed.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple said:

And because he was drunk, that makes it ok?

Different times. No one is saying anything is 'ok'

BUT Bars & Night Clubs & Parties where men and women go to meet other people and drink or get drunk in the meantime, there tends to be a lot of touching and flirting, groping etc

Spacey wasn't in a bar or a club.

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Different times. No one is saying anything is 'ok'

BUT Bars & Night Clubs & Parties where men and women go to meet other people and drink or get drunk in the meantime, there tends to be a lot of touching and flirting, groping etc

Spacey wasn't in a bar or a club.

but at a party where the environment is the same

OldFriends4Sale said:

LadyLayla said:

For those who haven't had "the conversation" with their sons, start early and repeat often.

1. Sex is like boxing, if one party has not agreed--it is a crime.

2. Age of consent! Card your potential consenual sexual partner as if you were serving alcohol.

Sons & Daughters

and

3. Do not go into the bedroom nor sit on the bed of any teen/young man/man that you don't intend for something sexual to take place.

Bedrooms/Beds = Sex

'Hey you wanna go to bed?' ie 'Hey you wanna have sex?'

No, no, no & no. Just because you sit on someone's bed doesn't mean you want sex, or will have sex. No, no, no, you are just wrong.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple said:

Spacey wasn't in a bar or a club.

but at a party where the environment is the same

And how was a 14 year old to know this? And by your own words, that 14 year old told other people when it happened.

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That isn't illegal

Yes it is. It's called sexual harassment especially when it's on the job. Evidently the crew didn't feel comfortable continuing to work with Spacey and thus cancelled all remaining shows to be filmed.

but there is a difference in coming on to someone and sexual harassment

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if coming onto someone for sex(which isn't illegal) then 90% of us are in trouble

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also the word 'sollicite' used in a sexual way implies 'prostitution' which is illegal in the states (outside of Nevada). Coworks come on to each other all the time, and coworks have sex. I don't think that is illegal.

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Sons & Daughters

and

3. Do not go into the bedroom nor sit on the bed of any teen/young man/man that you don't intend for something sexual to take place.

Bedrooms/Beds = Sex

'Hey you wanna go to bed?' ie 'Hey you wanna have sex?'

No, no, no & no. Just because you sit on someone's bed doesn't mean you want sex, or will have sex. No, no, no, you are just wrong.

No, I'm sorry, you don't send wrong/mixed messages. It is deadly, whether it is leading someone on to like your or sex tease.

Of course it doesn't mean 'you want sex' I'm saying the person going into another persons bedroom and/or gettin on or in their bed, need to understand what that may mean for the other person.
People equate bedrooms/beds with sex. And niave people need to understand this very 'adult' world, even if it is just teens. We are still animals, and the sex drive is natural.

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Things have to be understood from all perspectives.
Sexual desires and drives can be very powerful. Especially for young men between 14 - 25+

If you look at the amount that males masturbate vs females tells a truthful natural reality.

Sexual desires and drives can be powerful for anyone, especially depending on the situations in life.

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I know a guy whose wife withheld sex from him for a year. He had to watch what he did at every moment as a result. He is Colombian and was in his early-mid 30s at that.

I also saw this on a talk show. It was a woman talking about date rape (for male and female) and she as well said, kids/youth/people have to be educated about this stuff.

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Going into a males bedroom and gettin on or in his bed doesn't mean let's just hang out.

When it comes to parents and family being home, I don't know if people do it now but 'Keep the door open' was a warning to the 'couple' hanging out in the bedroom that there will be no kissing/fondling/sex.
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At 13 and 14 a lot of girls crushes are on what age males? It usually isn't boys/teens their age. Sometimes it is the handsome teacher, or the Varsatie jock, or the Senior or graduated college freshman or the rock star or actor.

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Check out the Times COOL video

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PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

but at a party where the environment is the same

And how was a 14 year old to know this? And by your own words, that 14 year old told other people when it happened.

PennyPurple when I was 14 I was already experimenting sexually. Like a lot of other 14yr olds

14yr old snuck out to parties, and concerts, got fake ids

I don't think this was his first party.

Anthony said he told people about it after it happened not right after, I think it was a year or so he said. But we don't know the 'expression' of how he told them. Remember, a lot of 14yr old boys who will get sexual advances from an older woman "Hot For Teacher" don't see it as a bad thing. That is why you don't hear much for younger males/older females.

Kevin Spacey Accused of Sexual Misconduct by Second Actor

by Kalhan Rosenblatt

Spacey would invite men to talk about their careers, Cavazos said, and when the men arrived, they would find a "picnic with champagne on the stage, all beautifully lit up." He said Spacey would be in the bar of the theater and "squeez[e] whoever caught his attention."

Cavazos said he never let it go further than that, but said others were more afraid to stop him. He said he was told about accounts from others but did not witness them.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/harvey-weinstein-scandal/kevin-spacey-accused-sexual-misconduct-second-actor-n816336

Seems he has a type.

[Edited 11/1/17 8:39am]

OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple said:

And how was a 14 year old to know this? And by your own words, that 14 year old told other people when it happened.

PennyPurple when I was 14 I was already experimenting sexually. Like a lot of other 14yr olds

14yr old snuck out to parties, and concerts, got fake ids

I don't think this was his first party.

Anthony said he told people about it after it happened not right after, I think it was a year or so he said. But we don't know the 'expression' of how he told them. Remember, a lot of 14yr old boys who will get sexual advances from an older woman "Hot For Teacher" don't see it as a bad thing. That is why you don't hear much for younger males/older females.

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I think this is a point that people can't wrap their head around.

I see that Milo Yiannopolis is jumping on the bandwagon when in reality there are parallels to what he was saying and what Spacey said.

Was Sapcey's coming out ill-advised at such a time? Perhaps. But like someone said had it come out later people would've jumped to the conclusion THAT is why it happened and he had something to hide. Milo was being snarky, sassy and controversial, but he was pretty much saying that as a teenager gay teens see sex in the same way straight teens do.

It's traumatic for us adults to think that such things can happen, but to a teenager that goes to adult parties, that then follow strange men home to their hotel rooms...

The takeaway is that the onus is on the adult to act, well, adult. And follow the law.

CynicKill said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple when I was 14 I was already experimenting sexually. Like a lot of other 14yr olds

14yr old snuck out to parties, and concerts, got fake ids

I don't think this was his first party.

Anthony said he told people about it after it happened not right after, I think it was a year or so he said. But we don't know the 'expression' of how he told them. Remember, a lot of 14yr old boys who will get sexual advances from an older woman "Hot For Teacher" don't see it as a bad thing. That is why you don't hear much for younger males/older females.

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I think this is a point that people can't wrap their head around.

I see that Milo Yiannopolis is jumping on the bandwagon when in reality there are parallels to what he was saying and what Spacey said.

Was Sapcey's coming out ill-advised at such a time? Perhaps. But like someone said had it come out later people would've jumped to the conclusion THAT is why it happened and he had something to hide. Milo was being snarky, sassy and controversial, but he was pretty much saying that as a teenager gay teens see sex in the same way straight teens do.

It's traumatic for us adults to think that such things can happen, but to a teenager that goes to adult parties, that then follow strange men home to their hotel rooms...

The takeaway is that the onus is on the adult to act, well, adult. And follow the law.

Even Spacey admits he could have done that. Why defend him when he isn't even defending himself? Bolded part - so he deserved to be sexually harassed? Does it matter what s/he wore too?

whatever the case now, every unknown actor/actress will say someone sexually assaulted them

now a playboy model/actress is saying actor Jeremy Piven grabbed her a few times at the playboy mansion

poppys said:

CynicKill said:

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I think this is a point that people can't wrap their head around.

I see that Milo Yiannopolis is jumping on the bandwagon when in reality there are parallels to what he was saying and what Spacey said.

Was Sapcey's coming out ill-advised at such a time? Perhaps. But like someone said had it come out later people would've jumped to the conclusion THAT is why it happened and he had something to hide. Milo was being snarky, sassy and controversial, but he was pretty much saying that as a teenager gay teens see sex in the same way straight teens do.

It's traumatic for us adults to think that such things can happen, but to a teenager that goes to adult parties, that then follow strange men home to their hotel rooms...

The takeaway is that the onus is on the adult to act, well, adult. And follow the law.

Even Spacey admits he could have done that. Why defend him when he isn't even defending himself? Bolded part - so he deserved to be sexually harassed? Does it matter what s/he wore too?

I don't think anyone is disagreeing that Spacey acknowledge something happened.

But the issue is that you nor anyone else has 100% facts from both people.
That is why people are asking things like did he know Anthony was 14, are we only hearing a one sided tell of events from Anthony's point of view? Did he as well desire Kevin? etc etc

To jump to the conclusion that Keven is in some HOLLYWEIRDO SEXUAL ASSAULT situation Pedophone Child Molester is wrong.

Grown folk/men under 30 who were afraid to say don't touch me?

Did he commit a crime?

poppys said:

Kevin Spacey Accused of Sexual Misconduct by Second Actor

by Kalhan Rosenblatt

Another actor has come forward to accuse Kevin Spacey of sexual misconduct and speculated that the number of Spacey's accusers could be similar to that of disgraced Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein.

Mexican actor Roberto Cavazos wrote on Facebook that he encountered Spacey at the Old Vic theater in London where Spacey was serving as artistic director — a tenure that lasted from 2004 until 2015.

"There are many of us with a 'Kevin Spacey story,'" Cavazos wrote in a post that has been translated from Spanish. "It appears that all that was needed was a male under the age of 30 for Mr. Spacey to feel free to touch us. It was so common that it turned into a local joke (in very bad taste)."

Spacey would invite men to talk about their careers, Cavazos said, and when the men arrived, they would find a "picnic with champagne on the stage, all beautifully lit up." He said Spacey would be in the bar of the theater and "squeez[e] whoever caught his attention."

Cavazos said he never let it go further than that, but said others were more afraid to stop him. He said he was told about accounts from others but did not witness them.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/harvey-weinstein-scandal/kevin-spacey-accused-sexual-misconduct-second-actor-n816336

Seems he has a type.

[Edited 11/1/17 8:39am]