MoBettaBliss said:

Daenerys and Jon are related?????

bummer

i so wanted them to get it on

I wouldn't be so quick to write it off, the Targaryens have a long history of incestuous couples . Dany originally thought she would marry her brother Viserys.

FunkGetsStronger said:

MoBettaBliss said:

Daenerys and Jon are related?????

bummer

i so wanted them to get it on

I wouldn't be so quick to write it off, the Targaryens have a long history of incestuous couples . Dany originally thought she would marry her brother Viserys.

Disgusting.

That episode had the first mention of Ghost since, what, early S6? I have to say, I am starting to get really annoyed with the neglection of him considering his importance to Jon, yet they will try to show off Dany's dragons at every opportunity with some useless shots/scenes.

Robb, I write to you with a heavy heart. Our good king Robert is dead, killed from wounds he took in a boar hunt. Father has been charged with treason. He conspired with Robert’s brothers against my beloved Joffrey and tried to steal his throne. The Lannisters are treating me very well and provide me with every comfort. I beg you: come to King’s Landing, swear fealty to King Joffrey and prevent any strife between the great houses of Lannister and Stark.

FunkGetsStronger said:

MoBettaBliss said:

Daenerys and Jon are related?????

bummer

i so wanted them to get it on

I wouldn't be so quick to write it off, the Targaryens have a long history of incestuous couples . Dany originally thought she would marry her brother Viserys.

yeah but i wouldn't enjoy it... soooo... you know

Sansa was forced to write that.

morningsong said:

So now that we know who the true heir to the throne is, will she freely bend the knee? Her entire identity is tied up in this conquest, will this truth make her snap?

She seems to already be in awe of him...wouldnt be surprised if she does bend the knee.

UncleJam said:

kewlschool said:

Sansa was forced to write that.

Littlefinger knows that and he still left it for Arya to find.

I really wonder if Gendry has an important role to play, or if it will turn out to just be some fan service... As far we know (at least in the show anyway), he could be the only hope for the future of House Baratheon.

Jon should have stopped by Winterfell on his way to the wall.

S7, Episode 5:

1. GENDRY IS BACK!!!!! And looking as handsome as ever.

2. Jorah is back!!!!! ...And gone again. Wished he had some time to advise Daenerys first before going off with Jon & Co.

3. Cersei is preggers with another spawn???!!!!! Jaime's question of who fathered the child tells me that, although he may love Cersei, he certainly doesn't trust her. And she has no problem letting him know who the head b**** in charge is. His attitude around her seems as if he's unsure how to take her. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Jaime that would be the one to have to kill Cersei...in the end.

4. "Which queen do you have to convince? The one with the dragons or the one who's fucking her brother?" Hands down the best line in the whole episode.

5. In paying attention to what Gilly was reading out loud to an annoyed Sam, Rhaegar Targaryen had his marriage annulled and quickly remarried in a "secret ceremony"...are we to assume that he was indeed married to Lyanna Stark? Which means that JON IS A LEGIT TARGARYEN AND now has a stronger claim on the throne OVER Daenerys. Things are really starting to heat up and I'm wondering if there's even more to be revealed.

6. Those northerners are never satisfied about nothing. SMH.

7. Littlefinger is up to his little tricks, as usual. I think Arya is well aware of this game he's playing with her and Sansa.

8. So, this mixture of good, bad, complicated, resurrected and exiled men who have some type of problem, one or the other, with each other have quickly come together to go beyond the wall to bring back one, ONE, whitewalker to send to Kings Landing for proof that the Dead Army exists? Ummm....not sure about this.

9. I can't help feeling like Tyrion has some kind of plan for himself through all of this. Not in a bad way, but in a sort of, saving his butt, kind of way.

10. These fast pace storylines are out of this world. Was Gendry's suitcase already packed away in anticipation that Davos would one day come back for him? Did Jon, Gendry, Jorah and Davos take a speed boat to the wall?

11. Wait, was Sam ever told that his father and brother were burned alive before he left the Citadel? And even though Sam didn't care for his father, he died at the order of Daenerys...whom Jon seems to have loyalty to at the moment. Will this affect Sam and Jon's friendship?

It's crazy to think that there's only TWO episodes left.

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missfee said:

5. In paying attention to what Gilly was reading out loud to an annoyed Sam, Rhaegar Targaryen had his marriage annulled and quickly remarried in a "secret ceremony"...are we to assume that he was indeed married to Lyanna Stark? Which means that JON IS A LEGIT TARGARYEN AND now has a stronger claim on the throne OVER Daenerys.

Yep. But the line for the "rightful claim" is messed up and confusing at this point. Now Gendry has returned, you can argue he has the strongest claim. Or, ironically, you could argue Jon and Dany have it for the Baratheon line simply because they would be (as far as we know) Robert's closest trueborn living relations. And let's not forget about Cersei's "claim"...

morningsong said:

Tyrion's soul is slowly dying.
He's increasingly conflicted. You can take the Lannister out of the Great Houses, but you can't take the Great Houses of of the Lannister.

Poor Ghost, scenes on the editing room floor. But he still around at least.
He will have a role to play. Hopefully we'll see him and the Dragons together before it's all said and done.

I really don't get why or how Jon is going after one walker, with a handful of men against a danged legion of walkers all to drag it in front of Cersei who could honestly give 2 cares at this point in the game.
No one believes him. Not even his own people believe him.

I can see Dany killing Varys since he's seeing the madness coming through and you know he's making moves.
Maybe. But he also recognizes that Jon is a balancing influence.


Littlefinger getting the jump on Arya, no way.
Never underestimate Baelish. But Bran hasn't spoken on things yet.


Poor disillusioned Sam.
He's sees things quite clearly. The wise men of Westeros are still arrogantly blind to the Real Threat.

Gendry! Damn.
Swinging a hammer like his Daddy.

missfee said:

S7, Episode 5:

1. GENDRY IS BACK!!!!! And looking as handsome as ever.
He and Jon went back and forth like Robert and Ned. He swings a mean hammer.

2. Jorah is back!!!!! ...And gone again. Wished he had some time to advise Daenerys first before going off with Jon & Co.
There's a triangle forming. Maybe he can escape the Friend Zone when he returns.

3. Cersei is preggers with another spawn???!!!!! Jaime's question of who fathered the child tells me that, although he may love Cersei, he certainly doesn't trust her. And she has no problem letting him know who the head b**** in charge is. His attitude around her seems as if he's unsure how to take her. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Jaime that would be the one to have to kill Cersei...in the end.
He's got a bit of whipped dog in him, for good reason.

4. "Which queen do you have to convince? The one with the dragons or the one who's fucking her brother?" Hands down the best line in the whole episode.

5. In paying attention to what Gilly was reading out loud to an annoyed Sam, Rhaegar Targaryen had his marriage annulled and quickly remarried in a "secret ceremony"...are we to assume that he was indeed married to Lyanna Stark? Which means that JON IS A LEGIT TARGARYEN AND now has a stronger claim on the throne OVER Daenerys. Things are really starting to heat up and I'm wondering if there's even more to be revealed.
Targaryens are known to marry each other. File that away.

6. Those northerners are never satisfied about nothing. SMH.
They hate their kings.

7. Littlefinger is up to his little tricks, as usual. I think Arya is well aware of this game he's playing with her and Sansa.
Maybe.

8. So, this mixture of good, bad, complicated, resurrected and exiled men who have some type of problem, one or the other, with each other have quickly come together to go beyond the wall to bring back one, ONE, whitewalker to send to Kings Landing for proof that the Dead Army exists? Ummm....not sure about this.
Suicide Squad, for realz. Who knows what happens.

9. I can't help feeling like Tyrion has some kind of plan for himself through all of this. Not in a bad way, but in a sort of, saving his butt, kind of way.
Remember that speech he gave when he was stripped of his power in Season 3? He told Shae he still loved the people that mistreated him.

10. These fast pace storylines are out of this world. Was Gendry's suitcase already packed away in anticipation that Davos would one day come back for him? Did Jon, Gendry, Jorah and Davos take a speed boat to the wall?
People in Flea Bottom don't have much so I'm not surprised. With 8 episiodes left in the whole series, they had to install 500hp motors on those boats!


11. Wait, was Sam ever told that his father and brother were burned alive before he left the Citadel? And even though Sam didn't care for his father, he died at the order of Daenerys...whom Jon seems to have loyalty to at the moment. Will this affect Sam and Jon's friendship?
Nnnnope. He doesn't know. He'll find out soon enough. He'll feel worse for Dickon than his father.

I love the warhammer as the weapon of choice for Gendry, but does anyone else think it looks too fake?

Also, if you watch the preview for episode 6, the Hound using it.

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namepeace said:

missfee said:

S7, Episode 5:

7. Littlefinger is up to his little tricks, as usual. I think Arya is well aware of this game he's playing with her and Sansa.

Maybe.

The episode commentary by the showrunners said Arya was overconfident having never dealt with anyone as sly as Littlefinger before. So if she is indeed aware she's being played, they sure don't want the audience to think so.

morningsong said:

I don't know what Littlefingers game is creating a rift between Sansa and Arya but at least Arya has an ace up her sleeve he's completely unaware of.

Baelish wants the Starks divided so that Sansa will trust only him.

sexton said:

morningsong said:

I don't know what Littlefingers game is creating a rift between Sansa and Arya but at least Arya has an ace up her sleeve he's completely unaware of.

Baelish wants the Starks divided so that Sansa will trust only him.

^^^He's playing both of them. And with John gone from Winterfell this makes it easy.

morningsong said:

Being Westeros born and raised, the concept of him marrying his Aunt would repulse Jon. And it would only be through marriage that Dany would have any rights to rule. So her acts of bend your knee or my dragon will flambe you has made her the same as everybody else going after this throne,anything necessary to get it making her quite expendable. I don't know what Littlefingers game is creating a rift between Sansa and Arya but at least Arya has an ace up her sleeve he's completely unaware of. Ghost Mets Drogon and he barks. Where's the other Red Prietess in all this?

She had to use force against the master's in order to achieve peace, diplomacy didn't work.

So, bend the knee kept all the others in line. It would take a lot of resources to jail half those men, when in a war.

I also think that Arya will dress up as littlefinger and attempt to get Sansa to turn on John. The true test to see if she is trustworthy???

Red Priest had to leave because of John Snow was present.

Oh, we as an audience could be getting played on the Sansa and Arya conflict. That they are playing along to out the rat since Bran can see things.

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Plot hole: Why not just kill some one (Who's sentance to death for a crime) and watch them turn in a cage you built to take back to Cersi? All this can be done on this side of the wall.

kewlschool said:

morningsong said:

Being Westeros born and raised, the concept of him marrying his Aunt would repulse Jon. And it would only be through marriage that Dany would have any rights to rule. So her acts of bend your knee or my dragon will flambe you has made her the same as everybody else going after this throne,anything necessary to get it making her quite expendable. I don't know what Littlefingers game is creating a rift between Sansa and Arya but at least Arya has an ace up her sleeve he's completely unaware of. Ghost Mets Drogon and he barks. Where's the other Red Prietess in all this?

She had to use force against the master's in order to achieve peace, diplomacy didn't work.

So, bend the knee kept all the others in line. It would take a lot of resources to jail half those men, when in a war.

I also think that Arya will dress up as littlefinger and attempt to get Sansa to turn on John. The true test to see if she is trustworthy???

Red Priest had to leave because of John Snow was present.

Oh, we as an audience could be getting played on the Sansa and Arya conflict. That they are playing along to out the rat since Bran can see things.

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I love Dany, but her entitlement has never set well with me. Why is she inheritantly entitled to the Iron Throne because of birth, that's always been a question for me? For all intents and purposes it's always been; whoever overthrows the seat of power is the entitled person, well, her family was overthrown. She was saviour to those slaves in Meereen but honestly what is she bringing to the table in Westeros except more of the same crap that they've already gone through? Plus, she cannot have any heirs, so what legacy is she bringing long-term? With the exception of moving Cersei's crazy behind out the way, is Dany, the person, a necessity for that part of the world? Of course the dragons they are to lay waste to the vast legion of walkers, then what, they are there to make sure noone usurps her authority by frying people who disagree with her or might want to run their own province? I think it's the entitlement/revenge factor that's making her slip into madness, making her almost equivalent to Cersei, the destiny that's in their minds.

I'm not talking about Melisandre, there was some new one. Kinvara in Season 6.


I'm not sure if Arya has to appear in a face that's already dead or not, if not she could fool Littlefinger coming disguised as Sansa to find out how he's filling her head. Maybe as the ghost of his wife he threw from the Vale.

kewlschool said:

Plot hole: Why not just kill some one (Who's sentance to death for a crime) and watch them turn in a cage you built to take back to Cersi? All this can be done on this side of the wall.

I think it's has to be someone who's had contact with the Night King, or else anyone who died would just turn into a walker.


Now it would be awesome if they could bring a night king back, that'll turn a head or two for sure, but that may a bit hazardous to their health though.

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So Daenerys is headin to madness just as his father before her?

214 said:

So Daenerys is headin to madness just as his father before her?

Varys thinks so and he knew her father. And I'm a bit tainted by the books and some history that isn't showing up in the tv series. idk, it's a long-running theory and if I'm noting what I'm seeing in Martin's writing, what's with this automatic entitlement mentality, it's out of place, nobody is entitled to anything in his stories even the 'good' people.

morningsong said:

214 said:

So Daenerys is headin to madness just as his father before her?

Varys thinks so and he knew her father. And I'm a bit tainted by the books and some history that isn't showing up in the tv series. idk, it's a long-running theory and if I'm noting what I'm seeing in Martin's writing, what's with this automatic entitlement mentality, it's out of place, nobody is entitled to anything in his stories even the 'good' people.

A good story would be that she gets the Iron Throne, after some years she looses her mind and Jon has to take a stand and kill her for the sake of the round.

214 said:

morningsong said:

Varys thinks so and he knew her father. And I'm a bit tainted by the books and some history that isn't showing up in the tv series. idk, it's a long-running theory and if I'm noting what I'm seeing in Martin's writing, what's with this automatic entitlement mentality, it's out of place, nobody is entitled to anything in his stories even the 'good' people.

A good story would be that she gets the Iron Throne, after some years she looses her mind and Jon has to take a stand and kill her for the sake of the round.

They'd have to do a time jump next season, but who knows.