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morningsong

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I Hate Kale.

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Reply #1 posted 04/06/17 10:16pm

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Three reasons not to eat kale: for some of us, it’s not quite the super food we thought

It does have many benefits, but kale is not as good for some of us as we’ve been told. Three reasons not to eat kale, and how to know if you should avoid it

If it’s possible for a vegetable to be trending, kale is. Even if you’re not a foodie or health conscious, it’s been hard to avoid for the past three years. With myriad recipes online, books devoted to kale (Fifty Shades of Kale? I kid you not), hundreds of Instagram images and entire Pinterest boards, the green curly stuff is now everywhere.

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So why am I telling you it might not be so great?

Because, like any food, kale is only healthy if you can digest it. With advice from Cassandra Barns, a clinical nutritionist at The NutriCentre, I’ll explain why:

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1 Kale contains too much fibre for some people’s digestive systems

It contains about 2.6 grams per cup, which is about 14 per cent of an adult’s recommended daily intake. Fibre is not digested and remains in our digestive tract, where it helps with the passage of food through our digestive system. Which is a good thing, usually.

But it’s this high-fibre content that could cause problems for your digestion, especially if you have IBS (irritable bowel syndrome) or other unexplained digestive issues.

Most of the fibre in kale is insoluble fibre – the type found in wholegrains, bran and nuts and seeds – and too much of it can be difficult for your digestive system to cope with. When it is not properly processed it gets stuck in the gut causing increased fermentation, which in turn causes problems such as bloating and gas.

2 Kale contains a sugar called raffinose, which is hard for us to break down

Raffinose belongs to a group of carbohydrates called oligosaccharides, meaning it is made up of several sugar molecules hooked together. It is found in cruciferous vegetables (the group that includes kale, cabbage and broccoli) as well as beans and legumes.

We lack the right enzymes to digest raffinose in our stomach or small intestine. So after passing through these organs it arrives in the large intestine still intact, and is then fermented by the bacteria there.

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Though it can ‘feed’ our good bacteria and encourage their growth, this fermentation also produces gases such as methane and carbon dioxide, which cause the well-known problems of bloating and flatulence that some people get after eating these foods.

With groundbreaking research showing that our gut bacteria could even more key to good health and illness than previously thought, we need to look after our gut more than ever.

3 Raw kale can affect your thyroid gland function

Like other cruciferous vegetables, kale contains small amounts of substances that can have a ‘goitrogenic’ effect, meaning they can affect the function of our thyroid gland. These substances become inactive with cooking, but they are still active in raw kale.

No one should overdo raw kale. Most of us are OK if we stick to modest amounts, such as a handful in a smoothie or juice, even on a daily basis. But if you have existing thyroid problems it’s safest to stick to cooked kale.

So who shouldn’t eat kale?

If you get gas or bloating when you eat kale, cabbage or beans it’s best to avoid all aggravating foods, including kale, to give the digestive system a chance to recover. Likewise people with IBS, those with weak digestion, or if you have any sort of digestive discomfort where you can’t pinpoint the problem food.

As with any food, eat mindfully, become aware of how different foods affect you personally, rather than going on what others tell you is ‘healthy’, and if something is not digested easily (with no gas, gurgling, rumbling, cramps, constipation, acidity or bloating), act on what your body is telling you.

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How to make kale more digestible

Cooking kale improves its digestibility, as cooking starts to break down the tough fibres. Steaming it is a good method, or add it to soups or hotpots. But stick to small amounts of kale: a handful per person added to a dish is enough. Small amounts of spices, such as black pepper, cumin, fennel or fresh ginger root, also help to make if more digestible.

Don’t use it raw in salads then?

Not if you have any of the symptoms listed above, as the leaves and stalks are very tough to chew when raw.

For the rest of us, if we want to eat kale raw in salads, rubbing or massaging the leaves first can break down the fibres. It’s easiest to do this while you’re rinsing it.

Remove the tough stems first, then take a handful of leaves and rub them together for several minutes. You’ll see it wilting and breaking down, and the taste changes – it loses its bitterness. Use no more than a few leaves if you’re eating it raw.

Kale chips can be made in a dehydrator or low-temperature oven, but this doesn’t make it more digestible, so avoid these too if you have the any of the above symptoms. Particularly don’t eat them if you have dryness in the colon (signs of dryness include not having a bowel movement every days and/or your stools are sometimes hard to pass and come out in small, hard bits rather than one piece).

What about kale in juices and smoothies?

One of the most popular uses for it is in fresh vegetable juices or in smoothies. For smoothies, you need a good quality blender or smoothie maker to break down the leaves and stems properly. Use no more than a small handful of kale, and mix it with other vegetables or fruits. And if you’re in the group that should avoid raw kale, avoid juices too as the kale is still raw.

And finally, if you haven’t got it by now, remember: “A food is only healthy if I can digest it.” It’s your new health mantra, people!

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Reply #2 posted 04/07/17 2:22am

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never tried it but I'm sure I would not like it

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Reply #3 posted 04/07/17 5:33am

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i am not sure if i hate kale confuse

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Reply #4 posted 04/07/17 6:57am

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and veg is evil.

Yes, I've probably made a spelling mistake, but I can't be arsed to go back and correc tit.
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Reply #5 posted 04/07/17 11:33am

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Naw, I just want to ban kale. It's icky.

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Reply #6 posted 04/07/17 12:53pm

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Kale is delicious if prepared correctly. I would never eat it raw - it's really bad for you. (Binds other nutrients so you can't absorb them, depresses thyroid function - the list goes on and on.

But cooked, it can be really good. Kale chips are delicious - just don't eat too many or you'll pay the price. (They have a lot of fiber.) And I've used kale as a healthier, low-carb alternative to noodles in soups. It's especially good in a soup I make that has chicken and Spanish chorizo, seasoned with smoked paprika and saffron.

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Reply #7 posted 04/07/17 1:58pm

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Egads, kale is the devil raw. Honestly I don't see how anyone eats enough of it to suffer the effects of too much fiber. Eat popcorn or something if you need that much fiber.



eh, I'll stick with bok choy, spinach and collards, for cooking and take my chances.



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Reply #8 posted 04/07/17 4:59pm

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The trick is to add it in certain smoothies.

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Reply #9 posted 04/07/17 5:39pm

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CynicKill said:

The trick is to add it in certain smoothies.




Did that. Hated it.

Juiced it. Hated it.

Sauted it. Hated it.

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Reply #10 posted 04/08/17 10:21am

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I share your hate for Kale, morningsong, and am curious if you have ever tried to make kale chips? I haven't gone there, but e'rybody seems to think that's the way to go for haters.

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Reply #11 posted 04/08/17 11:49am

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I hate smoothies. Unless my jaw is wired shut, food is meant to be chewed, not drank (drunk? drank?). I love kale, though. Not sure if it's because I'm a Prius driving hippy or if it's because I'm southern and it's ingrained in us from an early age to love our greens. Kale is grown and cooked around here similar to collards and turnip greens.

I've had kale chips. They're ok, but I'm not a big chip eater. I like kale cooked or in Costco's kale salad which I'm pretty well hooked on.
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Reply #12 posted 04/08/17 1:53pm

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morningsong said:

CynicKill said:

The trick is to add it in certain smoothies.




Did that. Hated it.

Juiced it. Hated it.

Sauted it. Hated it.



lol

Would you eat kale
Here or there?

I would not eat kale
Here or there.
I would not like it
Anywhere.
I do not like
Green kale at all
I do not like it,
That is all

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Reply #13 posted 04/08/17 3:45pm

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It tastes salty. yes
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Reply #14 posted 04/08/17 6:10pm

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XxAxX said:

morningsong said:




Did that. Hated it.

Juiced it. Hated it.

Sauted it. Hated it.



lol

Would you eat kale
Here or there?

I would not eat kale
Here or there.
I would not like it
Anywhere.
I do not like
Green kale at all
I do not like it,
That is all

Ranks right up there with Green Eggs and Ham lol

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Reply #15 posted 04/09/17 2:48pm

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KALE is just hyped by America to get you to buy their product. Just like ORGANIC. And before that it was GREEN TEA. Truth is these are all good in their own way. Food companies just want your cash.

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Reply #16 posted 04/09/17 5:04pm

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We've been growing and eating kale since before it was hippy food. No one here would pay a fortune for it because it's the regular kind of popular and not the trendy kind of popular. headbang

I hate that chicken wings and ox tails have become so trendy, though. Those used to be basically scraps and therefore cheap. Now they cost a small fortune. I hate food trends. Hipsters ruin everything.
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Reply #17 posted 04/09/17 5:07pm

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3rdeyedude said:

KALE is just hyped by America to get you to buy their product. Just like ORGANIC. And before that it was GREEN TEA. Truth is these are all good in their own way. Food companies just want your cash.

I remember when kale was the plant used to garnish salad bars in restaurants to make them look pretty and then got thrown in the garbage at the end of the day... lol

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Reply #18 posted 04/10/17 4:32am

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Genesia said:

Kale is delicious if prepared correctly. I would never eat it raw - it's really bad for you. (Binds other nutrients so you can't absorb them, depresses thyroid function - the list goes on and on.

But cooked, it can be really good. Kale chips are delicious - just don't eat too many or you'll pay the price. (They have a lot of fiber.) And I've used kale as a healthier, low-carb alternative to noodles in soups. It's especially good in a soup I make that has chicken and Spanish chorizo, seasoned with smoked paprika and saffron.

Exactly what I was going to say. nod

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Reply #19 posted 04/10/17 11:32am

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Kale lovers.
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Reply #20 posted 04/10/17 11:36am

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XxAxX said:



morningsong said:




CynicKill said:


The trick is to add it in certain smoothies.









Did that. Hated it.

Juiced it. Hated it.

Sauted it. Hated it.





lol


Would you eat kale
Here or there?

I would not eat kale
Here or there.
I would not like it
Anywhere.
I do not like
Green kale at all
I do not like it,
That is all



:giggle:

I tried but I try no more.

Stay tuned for the sequel. "How I feel about quinoa. " Title still in the works.
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Reply #21 posted 04/11/17 3:37am

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I Love ALL the Greens...Mustards, Collards, Turnips and Life aint right without KALE baby....Kale is a bit pricier...I'll fix a pot of kale or I'll mix it with Collards & Mustards....Fatback Bacon, onions, Jalapeno peppers, smoked turkey, Cajun Seasonings...You better sit down before you hurt yourself..

I hate the Bean Family except Green beans..I will Kill You if you serve me Pork'n Beans.....and You can have them NASTY Blackeyed peas & limas..AND......REAL Chili does NOT have Beans in it...

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Chancellor said:

I Love ALL the Greens...Mustards, Collards, Turnips and Life aint right without KALE baby....Kale is a bit pricier...I'll fix a pot of kale or I'll mix it with Collards & Mustards....Fatback Bacon, onions, Jalapeno peppers, smoked turkey, Cajun Seasonings...You better sit down before you hurt yourself..

I hate the Bean Family except Green beans..I will Kill You if you serve me Pork'n Beans.....and You can have them NASTY Blackeyed peas & limas..AND......REAL Chili does NOT have Beans in it...



Truthfully I only like Collards, folks can keep the rest of those other greens. But with the exception of kale, I'll choke down the others and smile, just to be polite.

Bean, eh, I've grown accustom to them as an adult, hated them as a kid, but that's because my grandmother was not a good cook and burnt them a lot. I can't stand lima beans though, never have, the most other varieties work for me. Don't like bean pies though, I used to but not anymore.



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morningsong said:



Truthfully I only like Collards, folks can keep the rest of those other greens. But with the exception of kale, I'll choke down the others and smile, just to be polite.

Bean, eh, I've grown accustom to them as an adult, hated them as a kid, but that's because my grandmother was not a good cook and burnt them a lot. I can't stand lima beans though, never have, the most other varieties work for me. Don't like bean pies though, I used to but not anymore.



My Mother is a Good cook but she makes the WORST pot of rice EVER....Rice should be the easiest side-dish to make...I mean, there's insutructions on the freaking rice bag....My Mother will fix a pot of rice, then when it's done she will pour another Cup of water on top of the rice....That produces Gummy, Sticky, Icky rice...It's too much water....I'm not brave enough to tell her to follow the instructions on the bag....

Can you imagine having to eat that Gooky, Gummy rice all through childhood? ...Yuck...

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Reply #24 posted 04/12/17 7:52am

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Mix it into a salad. Too good for you to avoid it. It may save us all.

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Chancellor said:

morningsong said:



Truthfully I only like Collards, folks can keep the rest of those other greens. But with the exception of kale, I'll choke down the others and smile, just to be polite.

Bean, eh, I've grown accustom to them as an adult, hated them as a kid, but that's because my grandmother was not a good cook and burnt them a lot. I can't stand lima beans though, never have, the most other varieties work for me. Don't like bean pies though, I used to but not anymore.



My Mother is a Good cook but she makes the WORST pot of rice EVER....Rice should be the easiest side-dish to make...I mean, there's insutructions on the freaking rice bag....My Mother will fix a pot of rice, then when it's done she will pour another Cup of water on top of the rice....That produces Gummy, Sticky, Icky rice...It's too much water....I'm not brave enough to tell her to follow the instructions on the bag....

Can you imagine having to eat that Gooky, Gummy rice all through childhood? ...Yuck...



Mother's Day is coming up. I see a rice cooker in somebody's future.

I got one because I have a short attention span. I must have my rice cooked perfectly, no mushy goop for me, ever or it goes in the trash.

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Instant Pot

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morningsong said:

XxAxX said:



lol

Would you eat kale
Here or there?

I would not eat kale
Here or there.
I would not like it
Anywhere.
I do not like
Green kale at all
I do not like it,
That is all

giggle I tried but I try no more. Stay tuned for the sequel. "How I feel about quinoa. " Title still in the works.



p'raps you should work on a cookbook of recipes of the worst tasting isht ever


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Reply #29 posted 04/12/17 6:13pm

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Kale don't make it that far.

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